Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[KingKhanWC]

So you are saying Newcastle will win 4-2 on aggregate?

Yep if I had to put money. I think if it was 1-0 arsenal would play their usual style but being 2 down will need to attack more leaving them vulnerable against what will be a very energetic team with loud home support. Geordies want this trophy bad , it will change their team imo to a potential contender in a couple of seasons.

How do you feel this will play out later?

 

[MK7Z]

Yep if I had to put money. I think if it was 1-0 arsenal would play their usual style but being 2 down will need to attack more leaving them vulnerable against what will be a very energetic team with loud home support. Geordies want this trophy bad , it will change their team imo to a potential contender in a couple of seasons.

How do you feel this will play out later?

seem my last post

 

[aboveandbeyond]

First Goal in the game could highly likely be decisive.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Now the transfer window has shut and Arsenal have pretty much wasted the last 3 windows in regards to recruitment. The so called be positive brigade are now saying the kronkes have changed .

What happened to "the kronkes have invested since the took full ownership"

"But but we spent 100M on Rice that shows ambition"

Reality is Arsenal made a 11M profit after this summer and winter Transer window.

4 new sets of merchandise dropped

Fans happy being in the ground,.

Fans ain't bothered about team getting ti cup finals

Fans are happy not winning league

Why? Because most fans are to scared to call it out.

supposedly we didn't spend in January 2024 window as we wanted isak and Olise. Did we get either in summer?

No

Now again no spending in January, as we want isak again.

We ain't getting isak. We will end up with sesko, as that always Arteta to keep playing havertz

We will get yet another back up keeper, a few more mediocre squad fillers.

For those still backing these owners and their Shield, only more failure is coming.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Now the transfer window has shut and Arsenal have pretty much wasted the last 3 windows in regards to recruitment. The so called be positive brigade are now saying the kronkes have changed .

What happened to "the kronkes have invested since the took full ownership"

"But but we spent 100M on Rice that shows ambition"

Reality is Arsenal made a 11M profit after this summer and winter Transer window.

4 new sets of merchandise dropped

Fans happy being in the ground,.

Fans ain't bothered about team getting ti cup finals

Fans are happy not winning league

Why? Because most fans are to scared to call it out.

supposedly we didn't spend in January 2024 window as we wanted isak and Olise. Did we get either in summer?

No

Now again no spending in January, as we want isak again.

We ain't getting isak. We will end up with sesko, as that always Arteta to keep playing havertz

We will get yet another back up keeper, a few more mediocre squad fillers.

For those still backing these owners and their Shield, only more failure is coming.

A big win tonight and 90 mins away from the league cup. The team has been backed by areta with surprisingly no business in the window. The club and management feels there is enough to win silverware, something has to be in the bag this season

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I don't think we have it in us to break down this Newcastle backlline who have a 2 goal cushion at their place.

IF we get an early goal its all to play for however the Newcastle defenders are a disciplined stubborn lot.

I do think we are capable but Newcastle are favourites to go through to the final.

I said before I don't care much for this trophy but suddenly the value has gone up with us being embarrassed in the FA Cup, so for the players sake I hope we do get through. They need this as does the manager. They need a trophy lift

We are understandably favourites, only an extreme pessimist would say otherwise but considering our form of late then 2-0 isn't the done deal a lot of people are suggesting

They talk about 2-0 being a vulnerable score, whilst it is a cliche there is some validity to it, it is effectively only half time and if you get the first goal then the nerves in the stadium will be through the roof

Hopefully the crowd can stick with the team and not let any nerves show otherwise it can seep onto the pitch

Joelinton likely to be out, which is a huge concern as his physicality (or thuggery depending on who you ask) will be missed and rumours that we will be going with a back 5, which is asking to invite pressure, which no doubt is a risk because if it backfires then Howe will get stick from a lot of people

 

[KingKhanWC]

We are understandably favourites, only an extreme pessimist would say otherwise but considering our form of late then 2-0 isn't the done deal a lot of people are suggesting

They talk about 2-0 being a vulnerable score, whilst it is a cliche there is some validity to it, it is effectively only half time and if you get the first goal then the nerves in the stadium will be through the roof

Hopefully the crowd can stick with the team and not let any nerves show otherwise it can seep onto the pitch

Joelinton likely to be out, which is a huge concern as his physicality (or thuggery depending on who you ask) will be missed and rumours that we will be going with a back 5, which is asking to invite pressure, which no doubt is a risk because if it backfires then Howe will get stick from a lot of people

Trippier starting, used to big games, lets hope hes up to speed.

The banner says get into them, Newcastle need to be aggressive from the start

 

[Amjid Javed]

1-0 Newcastle

Shocking defending again to let isak in, Murphy puts rebound in

Odegaard aka miss at other end

 

[Amjid Javed]

Martinelli off injured, he was awful whilst he was on.

Nwaneri on.

We should have brought the new winger or striker on that we signed in January. Oh my bad, we didn't sign anyone did we.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Martinelli off injured, he was awful whilst he was on.

Nwaneri on.

We should have brought the new winger or striker on that we signed in January. Oh my bad, we didn't sign anyone did we.

This team has done well for such a thin squad , nothing on the bench. Arsenals failure to buy quality attackers will be talked of for years.

Newcastle aren't going to slow down, surviving further injury is the best outcome imo , the tie is over , Newcastle going to Wembley

 

[Amjid Javed]

This team has done well for such a thin squad , nothing on the bench. Arsenals failure to buy quality attackers will be talked of for years.

Newcastle aren't going to slow down, surviving further injury is the best outcome imo , the tie is over , Newcastle going to Wembley

Thin squad is the incompetent managers fault, he's got his 15M a year to get Arsenal top 4 and CL money.

As usual Odegaard and havertz etc.. are no where to be seen.

This toothless Arsenal team are finishing trophyless again

 

[Amjid Javed]

Congrats to Newcastle on getting to final.

This will be Arsenal's 5th seaaon without getting to a cup final.

Greatest era in clubs history according to certain

 

[KingKhanWC]

Thin squad is the incompetent managers fault, he's got his 15M a year to get Arsenal top 4 and CL money.

As usual Odegaard and havertz etc.. are no where to be seen.

This toothless Arsenal team are finishing trophyless again

Gary Neville seems to be a big fan of odegaard lol

Sterling will come on , where has the money gone ?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Gary Neville seems to be a big fan of odegaard lol

Sterling will come on , where has the money gone ?

All money is in kronkes and Arteta's pockets.

I'm sure Arsenal will release more merchandise tomorrow to all the muppets still supporting this failed process

 

[MK7Z]

Love the Carabao cup.

Always brings the worst out of Arsenal

 

[Amjid Javed]

comedy football

Please sack this manager tonight

 

[KingKhanWC]

Love the Carabao cup.

Always brings the worst out of Arsenal

Sorry to say but arsenal totally bullied tonight . 30 mins to go , still can salvage some pride but damage control is better now imo inc injury

 

[MK7Z]

I don't think the manager put Mustafis brain in Saliba head today or Almunias in Rayas

Save your anger and calls for sacking the manager after a Carabao cup defeat

Pick your battles man

 

[MK7Z]

Sorry to say but arsenal totally bullied tonight . 30 mins to go , still can salvage some pride but damage control is better now imo inc injury

Ye take em all off

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'm sure players like saliba will be think I can keep putting up with this rubbish and will be gone in summer.

The rest of squad are probably to scared and timid to speak up against this woeful manager as well.

 

[Rana]

Stopped watching at half time. You know when it’s pointless to expect anything from the gunners. Terrible performance first half. Odegaard useless in front of goal

 

[Rana]

I'm sure players like saliba will be think I can keep putting up with this rubbish and will be gone in summer.

The rest of squad are probably to scared and timid to speak up against this woeful manager as well.

Him and Gabriel both have been exposed against Isak

 

[Amjid Javed]

Bet these players can't wait to go for jolly up to dubai for 9 days

Oh and all those thinking that in the league this team is going to string performances together to out pressure on liverpool . The impotent attack that can't string a few decent games together is reason why.

we are getting knock out of CL as soon as be someone half decent as well.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Stopped watching at half time. You know when it’s pointless to expect anything from the gunners. Terrible performance first half. Odegaard useless in front of goal

Odegaard is world class and would make it into Real and Bayern starting 11s according to Topspin.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Him and Gabriel both have been exposed against Isak

It's Artetas dumb tactics, Newcastle have set up with low block, knowing they can by pass Arsenal midfield by going direct into channels where Arsenal full backs have vacated space.

When you have isak movement and pace and thst much space, you make every defender look bad.

Newcastle have done this 3 times this season now and Arteta has looked clueless.

Arsenal have beaten sides thar have been open and attacking. As soon as they play low block teams good on counter they look clueless

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Arsenal midfiled looked leggy tonight. Way off the pace

 

[Amjid Javed]

Waka waka eh eh
800M down the drain
Arteta bottled another trophy again
Kronkes are ready to release more merch again

Sing along guys. Amazing process

 

[MK7Z]

I turned off when Merino and Sterling came on our summer signings. Just take that in

Actually not our summer signings... Our signings for this season

 

[MK7Z]

Waka waka eh eh
800M down the drain
Arteta bottled another trophy again
Kronkes are ready to release more merch again

Sing along guys. Amazing process

I think you missed a note mate

Don't give up the day job

 

[aboveandbeyond]

comedy football

Please sack this manager tonight

Why. Your fighting for the Champions league and premier league Title

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arsenal midfiled looked leggy tonight. Way off the pace

Nothing a good trip to Dubai cant sort out .

Newcastle were immense, same as they played liverpool earlier in the league. Very physical and organised team. Will be tough to beat in the final.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why. Your fighting for the Champions league and premier league Title

Theres no need to rub it in , it's a lovely fanbase .

@Mamoon 2 min highlights available, your thoughts?

 

[Abdullah]

I'm sure players like saliba will be think I can keep putting up with this rubbish and will be gone in summer.

The rest of squad are probably to scared and timid to speak up against this woeful manager as well.

Lol Saliba looked most scared and timid today. Awful performance

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Lol Saliba looked most scared and timid today. Awful performance

Tbf Isak and Gordon terrorised the Arsenal defence, it's not the first time Isak had Saliba all in knots, did it a few times before

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It's Artetas dumb tactics, Newcastle have set up with low block, knowing they can by pass Arsenal midfield by going direct into channels where Arsenal full backs have vacated space.

When you have isak movement and pace and thst much space, you make every defender look bad.

Newcastle have done this 3 times this season now and Arteta has looked clueless.

Arsenal have beaten sides thar have been open and attacking. As soon as they play low block teams good on counter they look clueless

It wasn't even that low a block, in the 1st leg we did a low block and especially towards the end of the game, we ended up doing an unusual but effective 5-5-0

Tonight was actually a bit of a masterclass from Eddie, had us going 5 at the back but got the spare CB's to press high up the pitch and it's how the 2nd goal came

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

@Geordie Ahmed congrats well deserved win. Set up tactically well, defended solidly and punished Arsenal on counter.

Arsenal ain't doing anything in 2nd leg.

Hope you win the final.

Appreciate the support for the final, send me your details and I'll send you a shirt

 

[BouncerGuy]

'Not enough for what club expects' - 'toothless' Arsenal miss out again

Arsenal's first trophy hopes of the season were left in tatters by Newcastle - as fans were yet again left rueing their lack of a striker.

The Gunners' 2-0 defeat at St James' Park meant a 4-0 aggregate loss in the Carabao Cup semi-final.

Mikel Arteta's side are still in the Premier League title race, sitting six points behind Liverpool, and into the Champions League last 16.

Fail to win either of those and the wait for a trophy since the 2020 FA Cup will go into a sixth season.

"You need to be on the day very efficent. That is what takes you close to winning trophies and today we weren't," said boss Mikel Arteta.

"Today is painful and tomorrow is a different day."

Ex-Gunners centre-back Matt Upson, speaking on BBC Radio 5 Live, said: "For how good this team have been, for the squad that Mikel Arteta has built, they had had a lot of joy, but they haven't won anything.

"That is not enough for what the club expects."

The striker issue...

Arsenal are the second top scorers in the Premier League this season with 49 goals - but they need a striker, a talisman up front.

Newcastle, who do have one in Alexander Isak, had 17 shots to Arsenal's 34 across the two legs - and won 4-0.

Usually football managers pretend they are happy anyway after a transfer window where they fail to recruit but Arteta admitted he was "disappointed" that they "haven't achieved it".

Aston Villa rejected an approach from Arsenal for England striker Ollie Watkins in the week before the transfer window closed.

Rumours linking them to Isak, Wolves' Matheus Cunha, Leipzig's Benjamin Sesko and even Brighton's Evan Ferguson went nowhere.

That leaves them with Kai Havertz - who is more of an attacking midfielder - as their only real option at number nine.

Havertz has done well with 15 goals in all competitions - but that is still not a lot to be the top scorer for a team fighting for multiple trophies.

The German is joint 12th top scorer in the Premier League with nine, level with Liam Delap, whose Ipswich Town are in the relegation zone.

Gabriel Jesus - the last striker (although he is also a wide player) they signed back in 2022 - is injured, as is star winger Bukayo Saka, who was their only 20-goal scorer last season.

Arteta said in the build-up to Wednesday's game that Havertz might have to start every game for the rest of the season.

His other options to play there, he said, are wingers Leandro Trossard, Raheem Sterling, Ethan Nwaneri and Gabriel Martinelli.

Martinelli went off injured against Newcastle, Sterling has scored one goal for the club and Nwaneri is 17.

Their last 20-goal-a-season striker was Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (29 goals in 2019-20). Since then Aubameyang, Alexandre Lacazette, Folarin Balogun and Eddie Nketiah are among the strikers to leave the club.

Sweden's Isak, a reported target, showed them what they were missing on Wednesday.

He ran the Gunners defence ragged, had a goal disallowed by the VAR for offside and hit the post leading to Jacob Murphy's opener. He had also scored in the first leg - one of his 19 goals this season.

"They have been more efficient than us in the boxes and that is the difference in the tie," said Arteta afterwards.

Former Manchester United captain Gary Neville, speaking on Sky Sports, said: "Isak on one side and Havertz on the other – just imagine what the sides would be if they swapped shirts.

"It has shone a massive spotlight on the toothlessness of Arsenal's front players compared to Newcastle's."

Former England midfielder Jamie Redknapp added: "Havertz does a good job up there but does he do a great job? No.

"I almost feel sorry for him because of the stick but Arsenal have had wonderful nines and the fans will know he isn't in the class of the players they have had.

"The defenders couldn't cope with Isak, it is like they have seen a ghost. That is what Arsenal don't have."

While there may be grumbles about Havertz, the fact is he is their only player in double figures for goals in all competitions - and the only one who has a good amount of experience as a striker.

"They haven't got a lot of numbers," said former Newcastle goalkeeper Shay Given. "For Arsenal to achieve anything they have to keep Havertz fit and wrap him up in cotton wool. That is a big ask."

Are Arsenal actually getting any closer?

"This Arsenal team need a trophy," said Neville.

Arteta won the FA Cup just seven months after becoming Arsenal boss - beating Chelsea 2-1 on 1 August 2020 at Wembley.

They have not won a trophy or reached a final since, losing three semi-finals - two in the EFL Cup and one in the Europa League.

Despite that they have improved dramatically under the Spaniard.

They have finished second in the Premier League in the past two seasons to Manchester City - and are currently second behind Liverpool.

Arsenal had only finished second once between 2004-05 and 2022-23.

The ex-Manchester City assistant boss led the Gunners back into the Champions League for the first time since 2016-17.

Arteta has been backed in the transfer market - with the club having a net spend of about £500m since his arrival.

Morale was high coming into this game after a 5-1 Premier League win over City to keep the pressure on Liverpool. Will this affect things?

"Arsenal are out of the FA Cup and out of the League Cup, they can focus now on chasing down Liverpool, who are still in everything, and the Champions League," said ex-Newcastle winger Chris Waddle on BBC Radio 5 Live.

"They will not be happy with their performance over the two legs, particularly tonight. However it could help them chase down Liverpool."

BBC

 

[IAJ]

Tbf Isak and Gordon terrorised the Arsenal defence, it's not the first time Isak had Saliba all in knots, did it a few times before

Really good to see Isak's hard work paying off now. Still remember him from his AIK days, the talent was always there but he was very clumsy also, worked hard on that part as well.

 

[Amjid Javed]

All thats left now is the usual end of season speech from PR masters Fraudeta and Ghosteddegard.

We are disappointed guys, you guys should be disappointed as well. We want to win trophies. We will be back next season

The usual cheerleaders in this thread will lap it up and have their light bulbs out doing bhangra, over the supposed world class and elite manager and players that these delusionist think we have.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Oh dear Arteta now complaining about tiredness and having to play every 3 games.

The in this thread think other big clubs will want a manager who after 5 years can't even get his team to compete on all fronts.

Off to Dubai now to practice set pieces for 9 days.

These bunch of should be sent to siberia instead

 

[MK7Z]

Oh dear Fraudeta now complaining about tiredness and having to play every 3 games.

The in this thread think other big clubs will want a manager who after 5 years can't even get his team to compete on all fronts.

Off to Dubai now to practice set pieces for 9 days.

These bunch of should be sent to siberia instead

WhAT yOu taLkInG aBOut mAn - wE hAve 1 lEsS gAmE tO pLAy nOW

Cos you know football is about playing less games

 

[MK7Z]

Came across this and found it interesting as Liverpool are down at the bottom and are doing an amazing job this season however you have to bear in mind Liverpool won the league 19/20.

Everyone has their opinion on whether he has used the funds in the right way but to suggest the owners have fully backed him is not accurate especially if you consider only Man City from the above have won the league ( and obvs Liverpool).

The route cause are the owners and Mikel is a separate convo being trophyless for 5 years.

Never stop calling the owners out.... the proof is in the pudding

 

[Amjid Javed]

With Jesus on 250K a week and being injured and not being able to be sold. Plus havertz on 300k and more then likely having clauses in his contract on how games he's has to play. This has well and truely put this club in a mess.

A top striker won't just cost big money and big wages. The fact Arsenal will struggle to move either of the 2 mentioned on from the squad will hamper any future transfer. No shock sesko will be main target, as fraudeta can keep justifying playing havertz then.

Blame the kronkes for lack of ambition, more so for giving this manage 15M a year and so much control that his poor transfer decisions will damage the club's spending and attracting of very best players going forward.

Arsenal are going to have to get rid of partey, Jorghino, Zinchenko, Tierney, Tomiyasu to name a few in order to fix the wage bill mess.

Will see how long kronkes let things rot now.

10,000 fans protest against super league move, but will happily continue backing this

 

[KingKhanWC]

Always a silver lining guys , we took apart Spurs, they ain't winning nowt either

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Always a silver lining guys , we took apart Spurs, they ain't winning nowt either

Exceptional performance.

Slot has taken you lot to another level.

I did say beginning of the season, his philosophy will be perfect for you guys.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exceptional performance.

Slot has taken you lot to another level.

I did say beginning of the season, his philosophy will be perfect for you guys.

It's an arsenal thread so out of decency I'll reply related , Slott is a class manager but he was given a ready build squad from klopp . All managers inc arteta can learn in bringing in potential legends of football. Having salah , vvd, alison, who wasnt needed tonight are the fine lines to get close to glory . Fortune does the rest, maybe .

 

[Amjid Javed]

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Came across this and found it interesting as Liverpool are down at the bottom and are doing an amazing job this season however you have to bear in mind Liverpool won the league 19/20.

Everyone has their opinion on whether he has used the funds in the right way but to suggest the owners have fully backed him is not accurate especially if you consider only Man City from the above have won the league ( and obvs Liverpool).

The route cause are the owners and Mikel is a separate convo being trophyless for 5 years.

Never stop calling the owners out.... the proof is in the pudding

Arsenal are using same pathetic excuses like they did at the back end of wengers reign

Arsenal have a "watchest" for the summer has been replaced with "substantial" summer

Wenger - we will only sign players of exception quality

Arteta - we will only sign players of the right profile

Same ********, different season from this club.

The club has pretty much thrown the towel in, in regards to giving themselves best chance of trying to win trophies.

Most of the fan base are still rolling out the excuses, "oh wait till we get striker in summer"

I lost count how many times certain fans on this forum have kept saying same stuff

"wait till we get to CL"
"Il judge team when we get a striker"

Etc.. until fans actually protest against this rubbish, the club will keep taking the ****.

 

[Abdullah]

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Came across this and found it interesting as Liverpool are down at the bottom and are doing an amazing job this season however you have to bear in mind Liverpool won the league 19/20.

Everyone has their opinion on whether he has used the funds in the right way but to suggest the owners have fully backed him is not accurate especially if you consider only Man City from the above have won the league ( and obvs Liverpool).

The route cause are the owners and Mikel is a separate convo being trophyless for 5 years.

Never stop calling the owners out.... the proof is in the pudding

I am sorry but using that table is pointless. Liverpools team was ready to win the big prizes having forked out 150m on Van dijk and Alisson the season before Arteta came.

Arsenal were in a hell hole at the time, so the above table is useless- as both teams were miles apart when Arteta started.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I am sorry but using that table is pointless. Liverpools team was ready to win the big prizes having forked out 150m on Van dijk and Alisson the season before Arteta came.

Arsenal were in a hell hole at the time, so the above table is useless- as both teams were miles apart when Arteta started.

But since then, Liverpool’s Recruitment has been A1.

 

[Amjid Javed]

At start of season Slot may have had a ready made squad which he took over.

At same time before the summer transfer window opened. A lot of Arsenal fans thought they could win the league.

So as of the start of this season both Managers had decent squads which were capable of being in a title race.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am sorry but using that table is pointless. Liverpools team was ready to win the big prizes having forked out 150m on Van dijk and Alisson the season before Arteta came.

Arsenal were in a hell hole at the time, so the above table is useless- as both teams were miles apart when Arteta started.

Liverpool had to sell their best player to fund those. If he also stayed, the 7 draw even turned to 4 would have been the league title. Arsenal bought Rice , Havertz and merino for 200m, they are nowhere near that value . Now left without a proper striker , which is insane

 

[KingKhanWC]

At start of season Slot may have had a ready made squad which he took over.

At same time before the summer transfer window opened. A lot of Arsenal fans thought they could win the league.

So as of the start of this season both Managers had decent squads which were capable of being in a title race.

Spot on but Arteta should have an advantage, his own team, they know the tactics, came 2nd twice. Not sure how managers have won the league in their first season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Spot on but Arteta should have an advantage, his own team, they know the tactics, came 2nd twice. Not sure how managers have won the league in their first season.

To many Arteta cheerleaders want keep believing in this so called fairytale story where the club goes from 5th to winning title, as though its never happened in. History of football.

Alot of these same cheerleaders also believed that Liverpool had been brushed a side and only Arsenal could challenge city. The last 3 shambolic TW and the complacency this club got into, is why it's going to fall short again.

Every season if you want to compete or win titles you have to be proactive and improve.

I don't like Liverpool, but so far Slot has managed to balance out playing in different completions. This is something Arteta has failed to do in 5 seasons, regardless of whether its his 1st job or not. After 5 years, you shouldn't having glaring holes in a squad etc...

The fact that the club has essentially thrown towel in. Even two of Artetas biggest fans have now gone AWOL. ALot of humble pie for those who were being delusional.

 

[ads101]

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Came across this and found it interesting as Liverpool are down at the bottom and are doing an amazing job this season however you have to bear in mind Liverpool won the league 19/20.

Everyone has their opinion on whether he has used the funds in the right way but to suggest the owners have fully backed him is not accurate especially if you consider only Man City from the above have won the league ( and obvs Liverpool).

The route cause are the owners and Mikel is a separate convo being trophyless for 5 years.

Never stop calling the owners out.... the proof is in the pudding

Kind of what I expect Arsenal owners to spend. Spurs is a surprise but I think they overspend to compensate and fill out the squad, I think they’ve had weaker transfer windows. I don’t realistically expect them to outspend Chelsea, man united or city. And I don’t support the theory owners should be expected to go into loss for football clubs like city and Chelsea.

The amount of money spent now is more or less enough for Arteta to do something. Klopp had less. Biggest issue with owners was underspending with wenger who would have had more titles most likely, and Arsenal wouldn’t have this scared of winning/bottling mentality right now.

Arteta has just done a decent/good job. I think people overreact both ways. He could have easily mucked up like Chelsea and Man united and hasn’t he’s actually built a decent squad. He hasn’t however over performed like Klopp has, and what Slot looks like he will do.

 

[MK7Z]

I am sorry but using that table is pointless. Liverpools team was ready to win the big prizes having forked out 150m on Van dijk and Alisson the season before Arteta came.

Arsenal were in a hell hole at the time, so the above table is useless- as both teams were miles apart when Arteta started.

Did you read what I wrote?

The post wasn't to bash Arteta. It was context for the "Arsenal have spent money crew".

The fact we have spent but never enough to be ready. Always gaps that will be filled the following summer when there additional gaps to fill so we are always behind a couple of players of being ready.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Did you read what I wrote?

The post wasn't to bash Arteta. It was context for the "Arsenal have spent money crew".

The fact we have spent but never enough to be ready. Always gaps that will be filled the following summer when there additional gaps to fill so we are always behind a couple of players of being ready.

Arteta a few years ago use to harp on about maximising each window. The last 3 windows have been a shambles.

Every window wasted has mean certain positions haven't been addressed and as is nature of football a new issue will crop up. The gaps now are huge.

These are list of players likely to leave

Neto
Tierney
Crybaby
Kiwor
Tomyiasu
Jorghino
Partey
Vieira
Sterling

On top of that one of Trossard or Martinelli might go.

Aswell as Saliba wanting to leave

These last 3 windows of garbage and inactivity will now take so much money to repair.

Fans nerd to protest against these owners and get rid of this garbage manager who is also part of the problem of this poor squad assembly

 

[MK7Z]

Arteta a few years ago use to harp on about maximising each window. The last 3 windows have been a shambles.

Every window wasted has mean certain positions haven't been addressed and as is nature of football a new issue will crop up. The gaps now are huge.

These are list of players likely to leave

Neto
Tierney
Crybaby
Kiwor
Tomyiasu
Jorghino
Partey
Vieira
Sterling

On top of that one of Trossard or Martinelli might go.

Aswell as Saliba wanting to leave

These last 3 windows of garbage and inactivity will now take so much money to repair.

Fans nerd to protest against these owners and get rid of this garbage manager who is also part of the problem of this poor squad assembly

Saliba wanting to leave?

Where has this come from or is it an assumption?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Saliba wanting to leave?

Where has this come from or is it an assumption?

2 years left on his contract in summer, Madrid want him, he ain't going go stay when Arsenal aren't winning trophies.

We've seen this before with other key, star players getting fed up of failure (cesc, Van persie etc..)

If we got past this summer he will then be under 2 years left. Sale value starts to drop, and il say its very unlikely he's going to sign a new contract after that.

Even players like Rice joined Arsenal to win "trophies". These guys will be looking at lack of investment and thinking why have I joined.

Anyone thinking players aren't going to start jumping ship in next 12-18 months are kidding themselves

 

[MK7Z]

2 years left on his contract in summer, Madrid want him, he ain't going go stay when Arsenal aren't winning trophies.

We've seen this before with other key, star players getting fed up of failure (cesc, Van persie etc..)

If we got past this summer he will then be under 2 years left. Sale value starts to drop, and il say its very unlikely he's going to sign a new contract after that.

Even players like Rice joined Arsenal to win "trophies". These guys will be looking at lack of investment and thinking why have I joined.

Anyone thinking players aren't going to start jumping ship in next 12-18 months are kidding themselves

Yes it's always a possibility of course.

However the way you wrote it was as though somethings come out

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yes it's always a possibility of course.

However the way you wrote it was as though somethings come out

No it hasn't come out, but I can sense quite a few players are getting frustrated at home things are, also from the body language aswell.

 

[Abdullah]

But since then, Liverpool’s Recruitment has been A1.

Agreed, so Arteta has done a great job closing the gap to what it is by spending an extra 200m compared to Liverpool

 

[MK7Z]

Anyone ever been to Plymouth? asking for a friend

 

[Technics 1210]

I don't think Liverpool were serious. That was Liverpool C team. If not this, then my god what a deserved result for such complacency.

Take Salah and VVS out and Liverpool look pretty ordinary.

 

[MK7Z]

I don't think Liverpool were serious. That was Liverpool C team. If not this, then my god what a deserved result for such complacency.

Take Salah and VVS out and Liverpool look pretty ordinary.

True that. However us going out to United was pathetic. This isn't that far away.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I don't think Liverpool were serious. That was Liverpool C team. If not this, then my god what a deserved result for such complacency.

Take Salah and VVS out and Liverpool look pretty ordinary.

I think C team is pushing it, more of a B team

That's the danger of heavy rotation in these competitions, players don't have that familiarity and often look lost

 

[MK7Z]

I don't think Liverpool were serious. That was Liverpool C team. If not this, then my god what a deserved result for such complacency.

Take Salah and VVS out and Liverpool look pretty ordinary.

Actually just taken a look at the 11 that started. Plenty of regulars there. Gomez, jota, Diaz, tsmikas, even the goalie is a good goalie.

Interesting stuff.. Hardly a C team if you ask me

 

[Technics 1210]

Actually just taken a look at the 11 that started. Plenty of regulars there. Gomez, jota, Diaz, tsmikas, even the goalie is a good goalie.

Interesting stuff.. Hardly a C team if you ask me

Well then this reinforces the point Liverpool were complacent and average without Salah and VVS.

City clawed back after Leyton took the lead, so one really has to wonder what went wrong here against a struggling championship team?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Anyone ever been to Plymouth? asking for a friend

Shameful defeat for Liverpool, Especially with the front 3 they put out.

I understand their game vs Villa in league was moved due to cup final.

So they have to play Everton, wolves, City, Villa and Newcastle in a 2 week period

So I can see why they heavily rotated. At same time the fringe players didn't do their jobs.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Agreed, so Arteta has done a great job closing the gap to what it is by spending an extra 200m compared to Liverpool

Arteta has to win Trophies to justify the tag labeled on him as a Elute coach.

One FA cup win to show for 700 million investment is not good enough.

 

[IMMY69]

One less competition for Liverpool means less games for them.... a part of me would have preferred it if they were fighting on all fronts..

 

[MK7Z]

One less competition for Liverpool means less games for them.... a part of me would have preferred it if they were fighting on all fronts..

I don't agree when people say this. Wins breed confidence. Also the quadruple talk has gone quiet now.

Its normally around this time of the year when Liverpool falter.

 

[ads101]

Honestly think it was the right decision for Liverpool to play the b team and see how far it goes. Injuries right now for teams are high. Fa cup has a lot of stages left too so would be more demanding injury wise at this point.

Really I think the carabao cup needs to be scrapped. The FA cup alone is fine. I think its existence also causes teams to take Fa cup lightly.

Teams are playing too much football as it is. I know there’s a lack of sympathy because they get paid so much, but it devalues the standard of the league if it’s riddled with injuries.

 

[MK7Z]

Honestly think it was the right decision for Liverpool to play the b team and see how far it goes. Injuries right now for teams are high. Fa cup has a lot of stages left too so would be more demanding injury wise at this point.

Really I think the carabao cup needs to be scrapped. The FA cup alone is fine. I think its existence also causes teams to take Fa cup lightly.

Teams are playing too much football as it is. I know there’s a lack of sympathy because they get paid so much, but it devalues the standard of the league if it’s riddled with injuries.

TBH my feelings with the Carabao Cup are quite clear. I don't think much of it but at the same time its a way for teams like Newcastle, Villa Spurs etc to break their trophy Hudu. I am glad they are changing the Semi Finals i think from next season where it wont be 2 legs anymore.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Honestly think it was the right decision for Liverpool to play the b team and see how far it goes. Injuries right now for teams are high. Fa cup has a lot of stages left too so would be more demanding injury wise at this point.

Really I think the carabao cup needs to be scrapped. The FA cup alone is fine. I think its existence also causes teams to take Fa cup lightly.

Teams are playing too much football as it is. I know there’s a lack of sympathy because they get paid so much, but it devalues the standard of the league if it’s riddled with injuries.

I think what made it difficult for Liverpool is that they play Everton midweek, if that game wasn't there then the big hitters would either have started or at the very least be on the bench

I could not disagree more about scrapping it, obviously I come from a different position since we've not won anything but it's a genuine competition and arguably can be tougher to win than the FA Cup

If clubs choose to prioritise one over the other that is up to them, clubs have large enough squads that they can rotate

 

[ads101]

I think what made it difficult for Liverpool is that they play Everton midweek, if that game wasn't there then the big hitters would either have started or at the very least be on the bench

I could not disagree more about scrapping it, obviously I come from a different position since we've not won anything but it's a genuine competition and arguably can be tougher to win than the FA Cup

If clubs choose to prioritise one over the other that is up to them, clubs have large enough squads that they can rotate

Yeah I get that . I could be wrong, it’s a difficult one. It’s just I think even the top teams are struggling with squad depth these days, and injuries are devastating. Even Man City. And FA cup and Carabao cup are too similar and if I had to get rid of one, fa cup is more inclusive with more history. And even in theory anyone could win, it still seems the top teams Man City and Liverpool dominate it, and then still complain about injuries and player toll.

I think also if games in Europe weren’t a thing it would also be fine. I’ve also seen teams fall down in my opinion trying to juggle the premier league, Europe, fa cup, carabao cup etc. especially the smaller teams that just clinched European football. Which makes their rise unsustainable as spread too thin the following season. I think that even happened to Newcastle a bit after they clinched champions league, they faced a bit of a blip next season. Thats why I’m not even sure it’s good for the non big six teams, especially given historically the top teams like Man City and Liverpool are winning it anyway. And when Newcastle start getting champions league football regularly, which I think will inevitably happen at some point, you might see fans complaining about too much football just how Klopp and Liverpool used to do .

 

[MK7Z]

I say gross negligence a lot when discussing the forward line for Arsenal.

This is exactly what it is. Saka ran into the ground playing week in week out. Martinelli playing every few days and injured.
Now Havertz is injured to yet we did not address this issue instead we over played the limited forwards we have and now they are broke.

Gross negligence. Sackable offense , whether its the board/manager/sporting director. Someone is not doing their job right.

Issue now is that Liverpool have some very tough games but we don't have the resources to capitalise if they falter.

And on top of that I hear we are paying the release clause of a Goalkeeper for something like a £25 million.
Are these guys on drugs or something? Why are they neglecting the forward line?

 

[MK7Z]

and there it is... Kai Havertz our only "striker" is out for the rest of the season.

You cant help but laugh at this club

 

[MK7Z]

If this does not wake up Arsenal fans about the way the club is run - nothing will.

They need to Boo and show their dissent towards the hierarchy. Protest, banners etc. But nahhh they would rather argue on social Media

Lucky to make top 4 now. See you next season folks

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Whilst I don't rate Havertz as a striker that's a brutal injury

Who will play as striker now? Anyone in the youth team or will it be a case of Trossard having to play there?

 

[MK7Z]

Whilst I don't rate Havertz as a striker that's a brutal injury

Who will play as striker now? Anyone in the youth team or will it be a case of Trossard having to play there?

Aint nobody bro. Probably Merino. Trossard probably but Martinelli is injured to for 6 weeks.

This has been a shambolic last couple of windows and hopefully people will realise how bad the board has been. We needed a striker 3 windows ago. Let that sink in.

Loans were available etc. Something is better than nothing - which we are at now. Makes no sense if you are going for the majors.

This is not me wishing the club to lose - i never would. However the only way the Kroenke's will feel any sort of pressure if Arsenal now drop out of the champions league places. They need their pockets to be hit. I personally wouldn't really care if we did not make it. We never do anything in it anyway.

I get its needed for player attraction but whats the point if you dont have any real ambition to win anything.

They have thrown this season away with their negligence. Arteta to is included in this. Spending money on players we did not need. Merino and Califiori.

Anyways it is what it is. We have been here before through the Wenger years.... I said it a few months a go this is starting to feel like the Wenger regime.