Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[Amjid Javed]

Calafori bailing havetz out for the numerous chances the missed

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal need to hold onto this lead now.

 

[Mamoon]

Brilliant management by Arteta today, but 0 IQ toxic haters will not give him credit.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Vital 3 points for 9 man Arsenal.

Got job done despite the red card and playing with 9 men.

Any know why 25 goal a season havertz went missing again

 

[Amjid Javed]

But but havertz is better than Bergkamp, he will score 25 goals a season



300K a week and can't finish his dinner

 

[MK7Z]

Great effort by the team
Credit where credit due. Didn't back down after the sending off and got their reward.

Pathetic refereeing performance. People will say it evened out but the fact he gave a second yellow rather than a red is shambolic.

Deserved the win but boy oh boy is Havertz turning into a liability or what. I mean he was bad before but somehow getting worse each week

 

[Amjid Javed]

Great effort by the team
Credit where credit due. Didn't back down after the sending off and got their reward.

Pathetic refereeing performance. People will say it evened out but the fact he gave a second yellow rather than a red is shambolic.

Deserved the win but boy oh boy is Havertz turning into a liability or what. I mean he was bad before but somehow getting worse each week

300K a weak and can't even head the ball.

His finishing is so bad he makes chamakh and Sanogo world class

Liverpool are away to inform Bournemouth next, Arsenal have to beat City next weekend

 

[MK7Z]

Also great celebrations after the goal. Shows Arteta gave them a rallying war cry. Siege mentality and have to say it worked and showed in the celebrations

 

[MK7Z]

Also I want the Ref to be called out the same as if we'd have lost the game.

Mikel, players need to stick it on him.

A protest is weak if your actions don't have consequences.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Also I want the Ref to be called out the same as if we'd have lost the game.

Mikel, players need to stick it on him.

A protest is weak if your actions don't have consequences.

Arsenal main focus is the need for a striker, can't keep starting games with 10 players.

I'm sure the two havertz fan boys will come up with new excuses.

I don't think any complaints over Oliver will do anything, this guy is just incompetent.

The other 3 cards this season were correct, today's wasn't.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Zero ball knowledge at its finest.

But but he will score 25 goals in season

But but he's in top 10 strikers in world

But but he's better than haaland (non penalties)

But but my my mate who is Liverpool scout says heavertz is Germany greatest ever player



Yet another top class display in being a from havertz

 

[MK7Z]

Arsenal main focus is the need for a striker, can't keep starting games with 10 players.

I'm sure the two havertz fan boys will come up with new excuses.

I don't think any complaints over Oliver will do anything, this guy is just incompetent.

The other 3 cards this season were correct, today's wasn't.

They can do both.
Otherwise it'll keep happening.

This is not an Arsenal thing. Issue is rival clubs would rather laugh until it happens to them. The noise needs to come from all teams when stuff like this happens.

Otherwise the standard will remain poor as 1 unhappy team and 19 who don't care is a stat the PGMOL will take.

 

[Amjid Javed]

They can do both.
Otherwise it'll keep happening.

This is not an Arsenal thing. Issue is rival clubs would rather laugh until it happens to them. The noise needs to come from all teams when stuff like this happens.

Otherwise the standard will remain poor as 1 unhappy team and 19 who don't care is a stat the PGMOL will take.

Problem is teams will only speak up when their team is effected by the officiating. Previous look at how many decisions wolves have had against them in past. When they put a complaint in, no one backed them up.

Am sure FA will come up with an excuse about how MLS used excessive force or some other nonsense. Yet you see other players smash elbows etc..in people's heads and get away with it. No consistency.

I bet VAR will also hide behind the clear and obvious error excuse as well and why they didn't over turn it.

Sadly all teams are stuck with these incompetent referees

 

[MK7Z]

I expect arsenal to appeal

 

[Amjid Javed]

I expect arsenal to appeal

100% they should, common sense should say it gets over turned hopefully

You will probably see same thing next week and just a yellow card

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Impressive win for Arsenal under the circumstances, could have been easy to wilt under the pressure, especially knowing Liverpool pretty much had 3 points in the bag

What I'm about to say though probably won't get a lot of agreement but here goes, I read about the red card here first and didn't watch it until seeing the highlights just now. I actually think it was a red card, though it's one of those where if a yellow is given I wouldn't be up in arms about it

And I'm not saying it because Oliver is a fellow Geordie, I genuinely dislike any studs up challenges, so my general feeling towards them is it's a red card (I've on the receiving end of a couple during 5 a side and I hate it with a passion), I like to think I'm consistent with them. I thought Curtis Jones against Spurs last season was as well, despite some saying otherwise

It's certainly not the howler that it's being painted out to be and I also would be surprised if it's appealed and overturned

 

[Amjid Javed]

Impressive win for Arsenal under the circumstances, could have been easy to wilt under the pressure, especially knowing Liverpool pretty much had 3 points in the bag

What I'm about to say though probably won't get a lot of agreement but here goes, I read about the red card here first and didn't watch it until seeing the highlights just now. I actually think it was a red card, though it's one of those where if a yellow is given I wouldn't be up in arms about it

And I'm not saying it because Oliver is a fellow Geordie, I genuinely dislike any studs up challenges, so my general feeling towards them is it's a red card (I've on the receiving end of a couple during 5 a side and I hate it with a passion), I like to think I'm consistent with them. I thought Curtis Jones against Spurs last season was as well, despite some saying otherwise

It's certainly not the howler that it's being painted out to be and I also would be surprised if it's appealed and overturned

if you think that's a red card, every game would end 6 or 7 a side every week.

No was no brute force in challenge and no malice. It was a trip, the gomes tackle in same game which got a yellow card was more of a red card challenge.

Curtis Jones challenge was completely different.

Oliver is same guy who didn't send kovacic off vs Arsenal for 2 tackles a lot worse then that.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Anyone thinking thats a red card needs to lay of taking drugs and get their eyes tested. LMS doesn't even lead with his studs, his foot flicks out in a manner to trip someone up. Look at the direction of his football.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

if you think that's a red card, every game would end 6 or 7 a side every week.

No was no brute force in challenge and no malice. It was a trip, the gomes tackle in same game which got a yellow card was more of a red card challenge.

Curtis Jones challenge was completely different.

Oliver is same guy who didn't send kovacic off vs Arsenal for 2 tackles a lot worse then that.

That's just hyperbole, we don't see studs on shin challenge every game

I know his intention wasn't to hurt the player, he was going for a tactical foul/trip but didn't quite get it right, ends up with studs on his shin

The Gomes challenge was different, firstly he makes a genuine attempt to play the ball and secondly he ends up stamping on his foot, which is rightly a yellow card

On Kovacic, he definitely should have been sent off but that doesn't mean him getting that wrong should also result in him continually getting it wrong

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Anyone thinking thats a red card needs to lay of taking drugs and get their eyes tested. LMS doesn't even lead with his studs, his foot flicks out in a manner to trip someone up. Look at the direction of his football.

Must be a geordie thinking where they have same eye sight as stevie wonder.

You can chuck insults all you like, doesn't change the reality, that's studs on shin, you saying it's just a trip is laughable

 

[Amjid Javed]

That's just hyperbole, we don't see studs on shin challenge every game

I know his intention wasn't to hurt the player, he was going for a tactical foul/trip but didn't quite get it right, ends up with studs on his shin

The Gomes challenge was different, firstly he makes a genuine attempt to play the ball and secondly he ends up stamping on his foot, which is rightly a yellow card

On Kovacic, he definitely should have been sent off but that doesn't mean him getting that wrong should also result in him continually getting it wrong

Almost every ex referee Hackett and few others have said it was a yellow card. The excuse that VAR came up was hilarious, especially when in 2nd half the wolves player made a worse challenge and got a yellow card.

A still photo doesn't tell you anything.

Oliver cudnt wait to get his red card out same guy who let doku kick a player in chest. This guys as corrupt as they come.

 

[Amjid Javed]

all these arent red cards according to Oliver. The guy who doesn't like to negatively impact games.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You can chuck insults all you like, doesn't change the reality, that's studs on shin, you saying it's just a trip is laughable


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Even Alan shearer said its not a red card and one of worst decisions he's ever seen.

Speaking after the game, Alan Shearer said that the referee got the decision wrong and questioned how VAR Darren England did not send him to the screen.


He added that it was one of the worst decisions he had seen in a long time.

Shearer said on BBC Radio 5 Live: “As a referee you can get it wrong on the pitch, you might see something which is incorrect.

“How on earth Darren England, the VAR, thinks that the referee has got that right and there is no need to send him to the screen.

“One of the worst decisions that I’ve seen in a long time. I just cannot see and work out what VAR is thinking going along with Michael Oliver’s decision.

“No wonder it gets criticised by so many people.”

 

[aboveandbeyond]

One of the worst refereeing decisions I've seen in a long time. If that's a red then surely Football cannot be deemed as a contact Sport.

 

[Amjid Javed]

One of the worst refereeing decisions I've seen in a long time. If that's a red then surely Football cannot be deemed as a contact Sport.

What was even worse was the wolves player that got a yellow card for a worse challenge.

Just shows clueless Oliver and Ambrose are as referees.

 

[Amjid Javed]

One of the worst refereeing decisions I've seen in a long time. If that's a red then surely Football cannot be deemed as a contact Sport.

Ex refs Halsey and Hackett said it was a yellow card.

Yet we have Newcastle fans who have players like Joe lintone doing WWE moves every week, thinking this was a red card

 

[Amjid Javed]

One of the worst refereeing decisions I've seen in a long time. If that's a red then surely Football cannot be deemed as a contact Sport.

If you look at brunos red card for united vs spurs, similar type of thing, it's a tripping action and studs push against leg. It's not a stamp or a straight leg tackle.

I'm not surprised certain people think it's a red card .

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Almost every ex referee Hackett and few others have said it was a yellow card. The excuse that VAR came up was hilarious, especially when in 2nd half the wolves player made a worse challenge and got a yellow card.

A still photo doesn't tell you anything.

Oliver cudnt wait to get his red card out same guy who let doku kick a player in chest. This guys as corrupt as they come.

It shows you it wasn't the trip that you claimed it to be, at least be honest about what it is

You don't think it was a red card, that's fine, it's a subjective sport but at least be honest. His studs caught his shin, that's a not just a trip like you are claiming, that's why I showed the still image

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Almost every ex referee Hackett and few others have said it was a yellow card. The excuse that VAR came up was hilarious, especially when in 2nd half the wolves player made a worse challenge and got a yellow card.

A still photo doesn't tell you anything.

Oliver cudnt wait to get his red card out same guy who let doku kick a player in chest. This guys as corrupt as they come.

Good for those referee, I disagree with them

Just to be clear, do you consider them an authority on all decisions? If so, I'll make sure to always share the thoughts of Hackett moving forward

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Even Alan shearer said its not a red card and one of worst decisions he's ever seen.

Speaking after the game, Alan Shearer said that the referee got the decision wrong and questioned how VAR Darren England did not send him to the screen.


He added that it was one of the worst decisions he had seen in a long time.

Shearer said on BBC Radio 5 Live: “As a referee you can get it wrong on the pitch, you might see something which is incorrect.

“How on earth Darren England, the VAR, thinks that the referee has got that right and there is no need to send him to the screen.

“One of the worst decisions that I’ve seen in a long time. I just cannot see and work out what VAR is thinking going along with Michael Oliver’s decision.

“No wonder it gets criticised by so many people.”

Shearer thought the goal that your fans cried about was perfectly fine or is Shearer only right when he agrees with you?

Shearer isn't an authority on the game, he's allowed his opinion, just like I am

 

[aboveandbeyond]

What was even worse was the wolves player that got a yellow card for a worse challenge.

Just shows clueless Oliver and Ambrose are as referees.

. Its high time Oliver needs to be demoted from the elite panel. The guy is a joke.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Ex refs Halsey and Hackett said it was a yellow card.

Yet we have Newcastle fans who have players like Joe lintone doing WWE moves every week, thinking this was a red card

My word, what an absurd comment

What does the team I support have to do with anything?

 

[Amjid Javed]

It shows you it wasn't the trip that you claimed it to be, at least be honest about what it is

You don't think it was a red card, that's fine, it's a subjective sport but at least be honest. His studs caught his shin, that's a not just a trip like you are claiming, that's why I showed the still image

It's not different to brunos tackle where he got sent off vs spurs.

So your saying skelly went in studs 1st straight leg?

Nothing subjective about it, only 3 people that think it's a red are the 2 clueless referees and you.

Every ex player has said its not a red, even Mike dean has said it isn't.

you probably think the wolves player that got a yellow card for a worse challenge was a decent challenge.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It's not different to brunos tackle where he got sent off vs spurs.

So your saying skelly went in studs 1st straight leg?

Nothing subjective about it, only 3 people that think it's a red are the 2 clueless referees and you.

Every ex player has said its not a red, even Mike dean has said it isn't.

you probably think the wolves player that got a yellow card for a worse challenge was a decent challenge.

I'm saying his studs caught him on the shin and raked down his leg, if you don't think it's a red, that's your opinion and I obviously disagree but at least be honest about what happened

It wasn't a trip like you claimed, his studs catch him on the shin and then rake down his leg. Clear red card for me

This video provides a great angle, slow it down if it helps you see things

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883184096865878518

 

[Amjid Javed]

It shows you it wasn't the trip that you claimed it to be, at least be honest about what it is

You don't think it was a red card, that's fine, it's a subjective sport but at least be honest. His studs caught his shin, that's a not just a trip like you are claiming, that's why I showed the still image

Again il ask you a simple question did skelly lead with his front foot in a stamping motion or flick his foot out to trip him up?

Your acting like the still photo is making out as if he went in Studs 1st with a straight leg, which he doesn't

 

[Amjid Javed]

. Its high time Oliver needs to be demoted from the elite panel. The guy is a joke.

Oliver can happily retire he gets paid enough from middle Eastern owners.

Corruption at its finest.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Here is are some still images which show the sequence of events

Initial contact is about middle of the lefg on the side, studs


This as you can see is then full contact, rather than a brief one


The foot with studs then scrapes down the side and contacts continues onto the ankle/foot


And then last contact is just before the Wolves players leg lifts up


At least be honest that it wasn't "a trip", it was more than that. Again, I have no major issue if someone still thinks it wasn't a red card calling it a howler or a trip is just disingenuous

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Again il ask you a simple question did skelly lead with his front foot in a stamping motion or flick his foot out to trip him up?

Your acting like the still photo is making out as if he went in Studs 1st with a straight leg, which he doesn't

I think his intention is only to trip him up but ultimately intention is irrelevant when the outcome is a dangerous one

Watch the video, it proves your idea that he simply tripped him up is nonsense

 

[Amjid Javed]

Oliver is a known Newcastle fan. So he was hoping for Arsenal to drop points by influencing the game. Sooner this corrupt fraud is banned the better.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Oliver is a known Newcastle fan. So he was hoping for Arsenal to drop points by influencing the game. Sooner this corrupt fraud is banned the better.

My word, Arsenal fans are quite something

 

[MK7Z]

Only a Newcastle fan would back a Newcastle fan. It's understandable @Geordie Ahmed

Odd take as never a red but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think you are the only one I've come across today who agrees with Oliver. I'll put it in down to Geordie alliance

Oliver has shown time and time again he is a pathetic ref who makes inconsistent poor decisions.

I always look at it from the other side. Would I have been calling for a red if the roles were reversed? 100% no I'd say yellow and move on.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think his intention is only to trip him up but ultimately intention is irrelevant when the outcome is a dangerous one

Watch the video, it proves your idea that he simply tripped him up is nonsense

Your comments on intentions being irrelevant is actually false.

A red card is when using excessive force, MLS doesn't use excessive force

Atleast learn the rules 1st lol

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Only a Newcastle fan would back a Newcastle fan. It's understandable @Geordie Ahmed

Odd take as never a red but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think you are the only one I've come across today who agrees with Oliver. I'll put it in down to Geordie alliance

Oliver has shown time and time again he is a pathetic ref who makes inconsistent poor decisions.

I always look at it from the other side. Would I have been calling for a red if the roles were reversed? 100% no I'd say yellow and move on.

Him being a Newcastle fan is irrelevant and if you genuinely believe that then not sure I can reason with you

What I will say is, if it's about defending him why would I say he was wrong not to send off Kovacic? Or does my Newcastle allegiance not come into play at that stage?

I think it's better to see the argument/reasons I've put forward, I'm not just saying it's a red and offering no explanation for it, I've actually broken it down in stages and explained why I believe it to be a red card

The only counter I've been met with is

- I'm a Newcastle fan
- It was a trip (I've proven this is a lie, it wasn't a trip)
- He didn't intent to hurt him (Ultimately, intent is irrelevant if the outcome is dangerous)

 

[MK7Z]

Question... @Geordie Ahmed if Arsenal appeal and win the appeal. Will you then still feel it was a red card? They would basically be confirming it was a howler. Something you say it wasn't.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Only a Newcastle fan would back a Newcastle fan. It's understandable @Geordie Ahmed

Odd take as never a red but everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think you are the only one I've come across today who agrees with Oliver. I'll put it in down to Geordie alliance

Oliver has shown time and time again he is a pathetic ref who makes inconsistent poor decisions.

I always look at it from the other side. Would I have been calling for a red if the roles were reversed? 100% no I'd say yellow and move on.

If roles are reversed Oliver wouldn't have even got his cards out.

He gave gomes a yellow card later in game for the challenge on timber which should have been a red card.

 

[MK7Z]

Him being a Newcastle fan is irrelevant and if you genuinely believe that then not sure I can reason with you

What I will say is, if it's about defending him why would I say he was wrong not to send off Kovacic? Or does my Newcastle allegiance not come into play at that stage?

I think it's better to see the argument/reasons I've put forward, I'm not just saying it's a red and offering no explanation for it, I've actually broken it down in stages and explained why I believe it to be a red card

The only counter I've been met with is

- I'm a Newcastle fan
- It was a trip (I've proven this is a lie, it wasn't a trip)
- He didn't intent to hurt him (Ultimately, intent is irrelevant if the outcome is dangerous)

It's nothing personal. Its just the only reason I can think of as to why someone would think it was the right decision

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Your comments on intentions being irrelevant is actually false.

A red card is when using excessive force, MLS doesn't use excessive force

Atleast learn the rules 1st lol

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Your comments on intentions being irrelevant is actually false.
No they aren't

A red card is when using excessive force, MLS doesn't use excessive force
This is where I disagree, studs down the leg is excessive hence I think it is a red card

Atleast learn the rules 1st lol
They are called laws, not rules, at least know the difference, lol

 

[Amjid Javed]

Oliver being paid by middle Eastern owners before and him being a Newcastle fan isn't irrelevant . The guys as corrupt as they come

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's nothing personal. Its just the only reason I can think of as to why someone would think it was the right decision

Even stevie wonder knows it wasn't a red card offence

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It's nothing personal. Its just the only reason I can think of as to why someone would think it was the right decision

Oliver isn't my chacha, that's the only reason I would consider defending him, lol

If you go back many months ago, you will see this is a perfect demonstration of a discussion I've had about referees and officiating. We are dealing with subjective decisions

I will almost always lean towards a red card where studs catch a player, there are exceptions but studs catching the leg and raking down to the foot is not one such exception

Again, people can think otherwise, hell the guy in my avatar thinks it wasn't a red card and that's fine. People are allowed to disagree, it just has nothing to do with me being a Newcastle fan

And finally, regardless of where you sit when it comes to this decision, the thing I find most laughable is calling it a conspiracy. Poor decisions (though I agree with this one) happens to all teams, both for and against

 

[MK7Z]

Oliver isn't my chacha, that's the only reason I would consider defending him, lol

If you go back many months ago, you will see this is a perfect demonstration of a discussion I've had about referees and officiating. We are dealing with subjective decisions

I will almost always lean towards a red card where studs catch a player, there are exceptions but studs catching the leg and raking down to the foot is not one such exception

Again, people can think otherwise, hell the guy in my avatar thinks it wasn't a red card and that's fine. People are allowed to disagree, it just has nothing to do with me being a Newcastle fan

And finally, regardless of where you sit when it comes to this decision, the thing I find most laughable is calling it a conspiracy. Poor decisions (though I agree with this one) happens to all teams, both for and against

You are on the pay roll to. No other explanation.

 

[MK7Z]

Question... @Geordie Ahmed if Arsenal appeal and win the appeal. Will you then still feel it was a red card? They would basically be confirming it was a howler. Something you say it wasn't.

@Geordie Ahmed interested to know your answer to this?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Oliver has refereed 4 Arsenal games in the league this season, Arsenal haven't lost any of those games, what a conspiracy

If he is being paid to help us then he isn't doing a good job

(Or you could take off the tin foil and accept there isn't a conspiracy but where is the fun in that I suppose)

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You are on the pay roll to. No other explanation.

I mean, I would love to be on the pay roll, could do with a new car, lol

 

[Amjid Javed]

So basically anytime a players stud touches someone's leg it's a red card

Every PL game will now end 6 or 7 a side.

Might as well just ban tackling.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

@Geordie Ahmed interested to know your answer to this?

Missed the question from earlier but yes and just to demonstrate my position, I thought Bruno Fernandes against Spurs was a red card

They appealed and it was overturned but I still think it was a red

But if they overturn it I won't be upset, it's a subjective decision and I'd be intrigued to know the reasoning for overturning it

It is funny though, independent panel said our goal against Arsenal (you know the one) was valid and correct protocol was followed but to this day some Arsenal fans still refuse to accept it. So if they can be stubborn I sure as hell will be too, lol

 

[Amjid Javed]

Oliver has refereed 4 Arsenal games in the league this season, Arsenal haven't lost any of those games, what a conspiracy

If he is being paid to help us then he isn't doing a good job

(Or you could take off the tin foil and accept there isn't a conspiracy but where is the fun in that I suppose)

Feel free to go and look at all the red cards Oliver has dished out vs Arsensl.

Same ref that's never sent a city player.

Yet allows Kovacic to make 2 red card challenges go unpunished as he didn't want to spoil the game lol

Then let's doku karate kick a Liverpool player in chest

Everyone knows how dodgy this guy is.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

So basically anytime a players stud touches someone's leg it's a red card

Every PL game will now end 6 or 7 a side.

Might as well just ban tackling.

I just watched the City-Chelsea game, in 90 minutes I don't think I saw a single studs on leg challenge so no, not every game will end 6 or 7 a side

Also, it's not just studs touching someone's leg, it's touching and then raking down someone's leg that's the problem

If that happens 10 times a game then absolutely red cards should be dished out for them

Finally, for someone that knows the "rules", you should know you can't get 6 a side happen

 

[Amjid Javed]

I just watched the City-Chelsea game, in 90 minutes I don't think I saw a single studs on leg challenge so no, not every game will end 6 or 7 a side

Also, it's not just studs touching someone's leg, it's touching and then raking down someone's leg that's the problem

If that happens 10 times a game then absolutely red cards should be dished out for them

Finally, for someone that knows the "rules", you should know you can't get 6 a side happen

Bernado Silva was booked for a studs up challenge when Chelsea were on counter attack.

Guess you missed that

 

[MK7Z]

I just watched the City-Chelsea game, in 90 minutes I don't think I saw a single studs on leg challenge so no, not every game will end 6 or 7 a side

Also, it's not just studs touching someone's leg, it's touching and then raking down someone's leg that's the problem

If that happens 10 times a game then absolutely red cards should be dished out for them

Finally, for someone that knows the "rules", you should know you can't get 6 a side happen

What did you think of Joelintons tackle today? At the end of the 1st half.
Was it not studs showing or high enough?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Bernado Silva was booked for a studs up challenge when Chelsea were on counter attack.

Guess you missed that

So Silva caught Fernandes on the leg with his studs and raked down his legs? Yeah, I definitely missed that

 

[Amjid Javed]

What did you think of Joelintons tackle today? At the end of the 1st half.
Was it not studs showing or high enough?

Joelinton is allowed to push, closeline, hand balls, studs up, rock bottom, tombstone piledriver, Stone cold stunner.

Anything goes

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

What did you think of Joelintons tackle today? At the end of the 1st half.
Was it not studs showing or high enough?

I do think it was a yellow card but what saved him from that was the referee had called for a foul on him leading up to it otherwise he would have been booked

Why it's a yellow? Firstly, there is a genuine attempt to play the ball, he does get a touch on the ball and he catches him on the side of the foot

If that was slightly higher then it's a red card

 

[MK7Z]

I do think it was a yellow card but what saved him from that was the referee had called for a foul on him leading up to it otherwise he would have been booked

Why it's a yellow? Firstly, there is a genuine attempt to play the ball, he does get a touch on the ball and he catches him on the side of the foot

If that was slightly higher then it's a red card

Not excessive force then? Interesting

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Not excessive force then? Interesting

Not for me and ultimately that only comes into play based on where he catches him

Often see slide tackles, which by their very nature come with a lot of force where contract is made with the foot and it's usually a yellow card and I'm fine with that

Like I say, if he catches him higher then it's dangerous and a red card

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Moving away from that decision, the next couple of weeks are huge, think if anything is to happen it has to be now

I do think Arsenal win their next two games, whilst Liverpool have two away games, which on paper won't be easy, Bournemouth and Everton

If Liverpool draw both, which is very much possible, then suddenly there's only 5 points it (factoring in the game in hand)

To me, would be criminal if Arsenal don't go all out for a striker in this final week of the window (Obviously not Isak) because Havertz has shown he isn't clinical enough

 

[Amjid Javed]

I do think it was a yellow card but what saved him from that was the referee had called for a foul on him leading up to it otherwise he would have been booked

Why it's a yellow? Firstly, there is a genuine attempt to play the ball, he does get a touch on the ball and he catches him on the side of the foot

If that was slightly higher then it's a red card

It's a red card, doesn't matter if he made an attempt to get the ball, don't matter if he slight touches ball. He catches the player.

Funny how its only a yellow card simply because its one of your players committing foul. How convenient

I bet if some tackled you like this in a 5 side game you would complain

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not excessive force then? Interesting

excessive force is irrelevant, colour of players shirt is all that is relevant here on the agenda

Well done for exposing usual bias from certain fans when is conviently in their favour

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not for me and ultimately that only comes into play based on where he catches him

Often see slide tackles, which by their very nature come with a lot of force where contract is made with the foot and it's usually a yellow card and I'm fine with that

Like I say, if he catches him higher then it's dangerous and a red card

Absolutely bakwas again, where he catches him is irrelevant.

Also attempting to play ball or not is irrelevant.

No where in law does it say its dependent on where you catch a player or dependent on if you attempt to play the ball

 

[Mamoon]

It is absurd to say that it is was a red card. It wasn’t a goal scoring opportunity, it wasn’t violent. It was a cynical, tactical foul that was a clear cut yellow.

 

[Mamoon]

Emery has a league title

Winning the French league with PSG is not an achievement. I can name 50 managers who can do it, but only a handful are incompetent enough like Emery to lose one.


Emery losing the French title to Monaco and embarrassingly surrendering a 4-0 lead vs Barcelona in the UCL exposed his incompetence and let to him getting kicked out. 2 years later, Arsenal gave him the same treatment because he is incompetent.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It's a red card, doesn't matter if he made an attempt to get the ball, don't matter if he slight touches ball. He catches the player.

Funny how its only a yellow card simply because its one of your players committing foul. How convenient

I bet if some tackled you like this in a 5 side game you would complain

Or instead of being childish you could read the explanation given

Here I am breaking each foul down with an explanation and I'm basically met with the following

Waaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa

I have a different opinion to you, you need to let it go

 

[MK7Z]

Winning the French league with PSG is not an achievement. I can name 50 managers who can do it, but only a handful are incompetent enough like Emery to lose one.


Emery losing the French title to Monaco and embarrassingly surrendering a 4-0 lead vs Barcelona in the UCL exposed his incompetence and let to him getting kicked out. 2 years later, Arsenal gave him the same treatment because he is incompetent.

Don't forget Tuchel has the same amount of Champions league and league titles as Klopp but you won't see folks comparing Tuchel with Klopp.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Absolutely bakwas again, where he catches him is irrelevant.

Also attempting to play ball or not is irrelevant.

No where in law does it say its dependent on where you catch a player or dependent on if you attempt to play the ball

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I never said it mentions that in the law, so not sure why you are getting all excited

One thing you are struggling with is that these are all subjective decisions, the law (nice of you to learn that btw ) provides a framework, the subjective element is our explanation of it

If you think the Joelinton one is a red card, good for you but you are just embarrassing yourself making out as if I stated all contact is a red card

 

[Amjid Javed]

I never said it mentions that in the law, so not sure why you are getting all excited

One thing you are struggling with is that these are all subjective decisions, the law (nice of you to learn that btw ) provides a framework, the subjective element is our explanation of it

If you think the Joelinton one is a red card, good for you but you are just embarrassing yourself making out as if I stated all contact is a red card

Your simply making criteria up as you go along just to Suit your agenda and I was simply exposing the rubbish you came up

 

[Amjid Javed]

I never said it mentions that in the law, so not sure why you are getting all excited

One thing you are struggling with is that these are all subjective decisions, the law (nice of you to learn that btw ) provides a framework, the subjective element is our explanation of it

If you think the Joelinton one is a red card, good for you but you are just embarrassing yourself making out as if I stated all contact is a red card

Your simply making criteria up as you go along just to Suit your agenda and I was simply exposing the rubbish you came up.

Let's deal with facts

Whether a player attempts to play or not play ball is irrelevant.

Where they catch a player is irrelevant as well.

It's essentially about how much "perceived" force is put on the challenge.

I'm sure if an Arsenal player does a joelinton challenge on isak in a few weeks and injuries him for rest of season, you will soon conviently change your tune.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Or instead of being childish you could read the explanation given

Here I am breaking each foul down with an explanation and I'm basically met with the following

Waaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa

I have a different opinion to you, you need to let it go

All uve done is waffle a load of excuses.

The fact you can't apply the laws correctly was exposed.

So you hiding behind the subjectivity or difference of opinion is hilarious.

At least apply the laws In Same manner.

Let's see if Gabriel or partey takes isak out with a Joelinton tackle and your suddenly calling it 3rd degree murder

 

[IMMY69]

I'm saying his studs caught him on the shin and raked down his leg, if you don't think it's a red, that's your opinion and I obviously disagree but at least be honest about what happened

It wasn't a trip like you claimed, his studs catch him on the shin and then rake down his leg. Clear red card for me

This video provides a great angle, slow it down if it helps you see things

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883184096865878518

Mate with all due respect, that was in no way a dangerous tackle... the slow mo's just make it look worse but you can see there was absokutrly no intent in that tackle other then to commit a professional foul... it was a yellow card all day long...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Mate with all due respect, that was in no way a dangerous tackle... the slow mo's just make it look worse but you can see there was absokutrly no intent in that tackle other then to commit a professional foul... it was a yellow card all day long...

Exactly he flicks his boot out to trip him up, its not a straight leg lunge

Supposedly you can you use excessive force how by tripping someone up

All Arsenal other red cards this season were correct. Yesterday's was wrong

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Mate with all due respect, that was in no way a dangerous tackle... the slow mo's just make it look worse but you can see there was absokutrly no intent in that tackle other then to commit a professional foul... it was a yellow card all day long...

I agree that was the intent but unfortunately in this circumstance the intent is irrelevant when he's caught him on the side of the leg with his studs and then raked it down to his ankle