Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[Mamoon]

I'd take a 55 year old Bergkamp over the current havertz.

Only clueless zero ball knowledge merchants would insult past Arsenal legends by comparing them to trash like havertz or ghosts like Odegaard

Only people who can’t comprehend basic English would not understand the context of the argument.

 

[Mamoon]

Managers get hired/fired all the time, Unai personally has bent Arteta over during their direct head to heads, that must be difficult to digest. Your lane is competing with bottom half of the EPL now and spewing nonsense arguments to cover up your poor performance.

Unai is a party pooper ? for what exactly ? celebrating being second best like no tomorrow and failing for god knows how long, sorry for that.

Arteta is lucky the owners are content with their club being positioned side ways each season, if you don’t win anything substantial under him there will be lasting damage at the club.

No world class player or manager will choose to be at Aston Villa in the prime of their careers. Emery is not here by choice either; he is here because he got kicked out by bigger clubs for his incompetence and now the big clubs are not interested in acquiring his services.

He could have won the UCL with PSG or the PL with Arsenal if he was good enough, but now he has been reduced to popping champagne bottles for finishing 4th.

Emery got downgraded big time in his managerial career and he can only blame himself.

Arteta is not lucky, you create your own luck. He has earned the faith of the owners which Emery could not do, otherwise he would have received a long rope as well.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

As goal scorers, there isn’t. Bergkamp has had seasons where he scored less goals than defenders.

He was extremely goal shy, but his genius went beyond goals but to get the best out of players like him, you need to surround him with quality.

Bergkamp was effective because he was playing with Henry and Pires, not Jesus and Martinelli.

You put him in this Arsenal team and he himself would not score enough goals and average players like Martinelli and Jesus would also fail to take advantage of his genius.

System matters a lot more than individual quality. Imagine Wenger playing Bergkamp as the lone striker and goal outlet in the late 90’s and early 2000’s and then Arsenal fans complain that he is not scoring as many goals as Shearer and Owen.

This is what is happening with Havertz today. He has been given a task that is not his domain. Arteta needs to understand this - either sign goal scoring wide forwards or get a striker and drop Havertz.

Havertz is getting criticized for not doing something that he is not meant to do. It is like playing Haaland as a creative midfielder and then complaining that he is not creating chances.

Havertz is not a CF. Everyone seems to agree with this bar Arteta. This is the problem.

 

[shaz619]

No world class player or manager will choose to be at Aston Villa in the prime of their careers. Emery is not here by choice either; he is here because he got kicked out by bigger clubs for his incompetence and now the big clubs are not interested in acquiring his services.

He could have won the UCL with PSG or the PL with Arsenal if he was good enough, but now he has been reduced to popping champagne bottles for finishing 4th.

Emery got downgraded big time in his managerial career and he can only blame himself.

Arteta is not lucky, you create your own luck. He has earned the faith of the owners which Emery could not do, otherwise he would have received a long rope as well.

You pop them bottles for competing each season and now you’re getting bent by lower ranked teams when the title was there for the taking. Unai is having the time of his life and has clearly rattled Arteta fans, tell me where you’re going to find those two points you lost against us . He’s a fortunate man, it’s nothing to do with that because managers rarely get as much time as Arteta has, even more so with very little to show besides doing a bhangra over being City’s little b!tches.

 

[MK7Z]

Havertz is not a CF. Everyone seems to agree with this bar Arteta. This is the problem.

Thats what is so worrying. The fact Arteta persists with him there and also Partey at RB. It's the sort of stubbornness that Wenger used to show during his latter years.

 

[Mamoon]

You pop them bottles for competing each season and now you’re getting bent by lower ranked teams when the title was there for the taking. Unai is having the time of his life and has clearly rattled Arteta fans, tell me where you’re going to find those two points you lost against us . He’s a fortunate man, it’s nothing to do with that because managers rarely get as much time as Arteta has, even more so with very little to show besides doing a bhangra over being City’s little b!tches.

Whether managers get time or not depends on the trajectory. Arsenal’s trajectory under Arteta has been a positive one. He went from 8th to 5th to 2nd in successive seasons and each season, the points tally was higher than the previous one.

This is the first season where there has been stagnation.

 

[Mamoon]

You pop them bottles for competing each season and now you’re getting bent by lower ranked teams when the title was there for the taking. Unai is having the time of his life and has clearly rattled Arteta fans, tell me where you’re going to find those two points you lost against us . He’s a fortunate man, it’s nothing to do with that because managers rarely get as much time as Arteta has, even more so with very little to show besides doing a bhangra over being City’s little b!tches.

If Unai is having the “time of his life” by wasting his managerial prime at Aston Villa, then he clearly understands that he doesn’t belong at the big clubs and about time his fans understand this as well and stop hyping him up as a top manager because he is not. He is average.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Just when you thought you wudnt here any more excuses or bakwas about haverz, we get even more rubbish.

Let's list out the nonsense and hype from the 2 havertz fan boys.

- Havertz was misused at Chelsea
- Havertz was misused from Germany
- Musiala, wirtz, sane didn't help havertz at euros
- we are buying the leverkusen havertz
- chelsea ruin every player
- havertz is better than haaland (non-penalties)
- havertz is top 10 in the world
- havertz isn't a midfielder
- Arsenal need to buy a back up to havertz
- it's all because of havertz we scored 91 goals
- it's not havertz fault in CL, as Arsenal are inexperienced in CL
- havertz is same level as Bergkamp
- it's Martinelli, trossard and other wingers fault they aren't making havertz look good
- Arsenal should build whole team around havertz
- isak / mbappe should come and play left wing, we can't move havertz
- havertz does things that can't be measured by stats
- Arteta needs to use him better or bench him
- he tries hard

The amount of nonsense this fan base comes up with to defend the highest paid player at club and 3rd highest ever club signing.

I think for 300K a week most people would try hard

 

[Mamoon]

If Arsenal can sign Isak, he can replace Martinelli on LW and Havertz can continue his role as a CF. Isak would score a lot of goals from the LW at Arsenal with Havertz, Saka, Odegaard and Rice all feeding him balls. Perhaps Merino as well, although he hasn’t settled in yet.

If Isak is not an option and they can land a more traditional striker like Gyokeres, Arsenal can play 4-2-3-1 with Havertz as #10 and Martinelli and Saka on either flanks and Rice and Odegaard playing in the middle, but this would require Rice playing a more traditional CDM role and with Odegaard playing as the more advanced CM.

Either way, I hope that Havertz is not dropped from the team because I think he has some very interesting characteristics and does a lot of good things that fly under the radar because he doesn’t score enough goals.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Thats what is so worrying. The fact Arteta persists with him there and also Partey at RB. It's the sort of stubbornness that Wenger used to show during his latter

The main reasons havertz is playing all time is

- he's Arteta's pet
- Arteta has to justify spunking away 65m and 300K on him
- I won't be shocked if he's got a clause in his contract that says if he's fit, he has to start a certain number of games. We saw these clauses with willian, bellerin and xhaka

Oh the partey at RB and weakening the midfield, its no different to when Tierney got injured and he kept using xhaka at LB when Arsenal bottled top 4.

 

[Mamoon]

Raya, Saliba, Gabriel, Timber, Rice, Odegaard, Havertz, Saka.

This nucleus of 8 players is as good as anything in Europe and Arsenal should build around these core group of 8 players.

LW, ST, LB and LCM are all up for grabs. Califiori has a lot of potential but his body is not holding up. Timber can play LB if White can get back to his best when he returns but it remains to be seen.

Merino needs to improve otherwise he will fall down the pecking order when Zubimendi arrives.

 

[Amjid Javed]

As good as anything in Europe . A team which wins fk all domestic and is an embarrassment in europa and CL.

2025 and still their is no cure for delusion

 

[KingKhanWC]

Raya, Saliba, Gabriel, Timber, Rice, Odegaard, Havertz, Saka.

This nucleus of 8 players is as good as anything in Europe and Arsenal should build around these core group of 8 players.

LW, ST, LB and LCM are all up for grabs. Califiori has a lot of potential but his body is not holding up. Timber can play LB if White can get back to his best when he returns but it remains to be seen.

Merino needs to improve otherwise he will fall down the pecking order when Zubimendi arrives.

Your arguments are flawed and disingenuous.

but going so far in defending them to compare havertz importance to Bergkamp and Firmino shows you're watching a different sport. You only mention their goals but fail to mention their assists , their footballing IQ and their impact on the team esp winning trophies.

You keep repeating arteta took them to 2nd place , this doesn't hold up 2 years later or in 10 years time as these challengers are expected to take place at arsenal when spending 700m, its not west ham , its arsenal, the money demands success. Brendon Roger's was 2nd with liverpool with far less net spend .

Ateta has made poor choices in bringing in quality and depth , this is clear. His tactics and strategy is strange because hes still learning .

Fortunately for arteta he has many fans like you as many are happy and content with a very good team but top 4 material who really should win some domestic cups if not able to win the big two .

Fortunately for areta the club has given him a huge contract so wont be going anywhere for a couple of seasons yet .

Its transfer window time, lets see who he signs and how he uses them . Still in 3 competitions , will be interesting to see If he learns and improves but comes across as arrogant without the ability to be so .

The manager is always responsible but your obsessed with becoming his defense lawyer without being paid.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

If Arsenal can sign Isak, he can replace Martinelli on LW and Havertz can continue his role as a CF. Isak would score a lot of goals from the LW at Arsenal with Havertz, Saka, Odegaard and Rice all feeding him balls. Perhaps Merino as well, although he hasn’t settled in yet.

If Isak is not an option and they can land a more traditional striker like Gyokeres, Arsenal can play 4-2-3-1 with Havertz as #10 and Martinelli and Saka on either flanks and Rice and Odegaard playing in the middle, but this would require Rice playing a more traditional CDM role and with Odegaard playing as the more advanced CM.

Either way, I hope that Havertz is not dropped from the team because I think he has some very interesting characteristics and does a lot of good things that fly under the radar because he doesn’t score enough goals.

Second option would bring more balance and stability to Arsenal. Which should get you over the line and bring in the elusive Title.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Absolutely hilarious that thinks that havertz is some sort of zola, Bergkamp, KDB level player and team should be built around him.

I though his nonsense over elite / world class, he's better than Musiala. - Odegaard was delusion

This haverz nonsense is next level.

Look at players he played with at Chelsea and for Germany. Reality is havetz is overated trash.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Second option would bring more balance and stability to Arsenal. Which should get you over the line and bring in the elusive Title.

No it wouldn't, stop encouraging his nonsense.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Absolutely hilarious that thinks that havertz is some sort of zola, Bergkamp, KDB level player and team should be built around him.

I though his nonsense over elite / world class, he's better than Musiala. - Odegaard was delusion

This haverz nonsense is next level.

Look at players he played with at Chelsea and for Germany. Reality is havetz is overated trash.

Bro. Havertz as a center Attacking mid is a different beast. That's his best position. His best performances have come when he's played off a CF.

If Arteta can bring in OSIMEN, and you get Sakah fit, this should be the make up of your attack and midfiled which could land you the Title.


------------------------Osimen-----------------------------

Martinelli----------Havertz----------Sakah-------

-----------------Odegaard---Rice---------------------

 

[Mamoon]

Absolutely hilarious that thinks that havertz is some sort of zola, Bergkamp, KDB level player and team should be built around him.

I though his nonsense over elite / world class, he's better than Musiala. - Odegaard was delusion

This haverz nonsense is next level.

Look at players he played with at Chelsea and for Germany. Reality is havetz is overated trash.

please quote the post where I said that Odegaard is better than Musiala.

If you cannot find such a post, you will have to apologize because I clearly remember what I said.

I said that Odegaard would easily start for Bayern because both him and Musiala can play in the same team. They are two completely different players so the question of who is better between the two is illogical.

Musiala has played a lot on the left and that is his most natural position anyway as it allows him to use his incredible dribbling ability.

Odegaard is world class. Yes he has been below his best so far this season but that is mainly because of injury. There is no question mark on his ability. Foden was completely useless in the first half of the season too but only a fool would question his status as a world class player.

Odegaard is one of the best in the world. Anyone who disagrees is completely clueless.

 

[Mamoon]

Bro. Havertz as a center Attacking mid is a different beast. That's his best position. His best performances have come when he's played off a CF.

If Arteta can bring in OSIMEN, and you get Sakah fit, this should be the make up of your attack and midfiled which could land you the Title.


------------------------Osimen-----------------------------

Martinelli----------Havertz----------Sakah-------

-----------------Odegaard---Rice---------------------

I would stay away from Osimhen. He is a quality striker but he carries a baggage and has a dodgy agent. In addition, he will leave mid season for AFCON.

Arsenal should try their best to sign either Isak or Gyokeres.

 

[shaz619]

If Unai is having the “time of his life” by wasting his managerial prime at Aston Villa, then he clearly understands that he doesn’t belong at the big clubs and about time his fans understand this as well and stop hyping him up as a top manager because he is not. He is average.

Arteta has been with you for many years, the basic expectation from the fans after such a big/risky investment is to win the EPL. And he has not won that yet.

You can’t compare two clubs in different positions / resource levels, but our club mainly wanted to be back in Europe regardless off the level; and he took us from relegation all the way to the Champions League. And you can’t be average doing that.

So within the confines of club goals, Arteta is a bigger failure than Unai as it stands.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arteta has been with you for many years, the basic expectation from the fans after such a big/risky investment is to win the EPL. And he has not won that yet.

You can’t compare two clubs in different positions / resource levels, but our club mainly wanted to be back in Europe regardless off the level; and he took us from relegation all the way to the Champions League. And you can’t be average doing that.

So within the confines of club goals, Arteta is a bigger failure than Unai as it stands.

Emery is a quality manager, with far more experience and a better understanding of tactics. This is the reason why Emery was sought after by various clubs but wasnt given the time. Villa will give him a lot of time and as you can see he is building a very good squad. Arteta has shown some good team spirit, some decent play but also shown some poor choices with transfers and tactics.

 

[shaz619]

Emery is a quality manager, with far more experience and a better understanding of tactics. This is the reason why Emery was sought after by various clubs but wasnt given the time. Villa will give him a lot of time and as you can see he is building a very good squad. Arteta has shown some good team spirit, some decent play but also shown some poor choices with transfers and tactics.

I literally said the same to my bro who’s an LFC fan, he wasn’t sure Unai would be right for Villa and I was like, why can’t someone learn from their experiences ? Things didn’t work out with Arsenal, but am sure he learned a thing or two from his time there. Part of being a good manager is being able to make the neccessary adjustments when sh!t hits the fan and tactically, Arteta seems a bit one dimensional for me and too easy for tactically astute managers in the EPL. I think we’ve already seen the best of Arteta so this best ‘young’ manager thing has already overstayed its welcome.

Can’t really compare different era’s and especially now when managers having such a long rope is not really the norm. But am sure over a similar length, Fergie had won his first EPL title (At our expense sadly lol); I make this comparison because Arteta is the next Pep and what not, but is he really following Fergie’s trajectory now ?

 

[Mamoon]

Emery and Aston Villa are a match made in heaven. Both are mediocre.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Emery and Aston Villa are a match made in heaven. Both are mediocre.

Emery’s CV Compared to Artetas is chalk and cheese bro.

You get carried away

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta has been with you for many years, the basic expectation from the fans after such a big/risky investment is to win the EPL. And he has not won that yet.

You can’t compare two clubs in different positions / resource levels, but our club mainly wanted to be back in Europe regardless off the level; and he took us from relegation all the way to the Champions League. And you can’t be average doing that.

So within the confines of club goals, Arteta is a bigger failure than Unai as it stands.

Taking a club from relegation to top 4/6 is a an achievement, but taking a club from top 6 to competing for the title is a different kind of pressure that Emery is not able to cope with.

It is fact that he failed at PSG because he couldn’t manage the big egos in the dressing room and couldn’t manage the pressure of winning the UCL.

He also failed at Arsenal because he couldn’t manage the pressure of rebuilding the club and turning them into title contenders which Arteta has.

This is why Emery and Aston Villa are a match made in heaven. Here, Emery has no pressure of winning anything or even making the top 4, because the fans and the owners will be happy to finish anywhere between 4th and 8th.

Emery will never be sacked for not winning anything or for not competing for the league and he is thriving in this low pressure environment.

Aston Villa has good players and the only reason they were in a relegation battle was because of Gerrard who is not managerial material.

Any proper coach would keep Aston Villa in the top 7-8. Emery is not performing any miracles.

Emery is not made for the big clubs or for big expectations. He is ideal for clubs like Aston Villa, Villarreal, Sevilla etc.

Emery’s career is going nowhere. He is in his managerial prime but at a club where he doesn’t have the resources to fight for the league. If he is an ambitious manager he surely cannot be happy with this.

No world class manager would be okay with spending more than a season at such a club.

Ancelotti accepted the Everton job because he had run out of options but as soon as he got another opportunity at big club, he left instantly.

If Emery was a top manager, he would have been prized away by a big club by now.

 

[Mamoon]

Emery’s CV Compared to Artetas is chalk and cheese bro.

You get carried away

Emery’s CV says that he got two opportunities at two big clubs to fight for something meaningful and he failed both times.

Arteta has done the job at Arsenal that Emery was supposed to do but was not good enough to do so. Arteta is in a different class altogether.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Arsenal got relegated with Arteta, the Arteta bhangra club chairman would still come out nonsense to defend him.

So supposedly going from top 6 to title challenger is now a medal of honour

 

[shaz619]

Taking a club from relegation to top 4/6 is a an achievement, but taking a club from top 6 to competing for the title is a different kind of pressure that Emery is not able to cope with.

It is fact that he failed at PSG because he couldn’t manage the big egos in the dressing room and couldn’t manage the pressure of winning the UCL.

He also failed at Arsenal because he couldn’t manage the pressure of rebuilding the club and turning them into title contenders which Arteta has.

This is why Emery and Aston Villa are a match made in heaven. Here, Emery has no pressure of winning anything or even making the top 4, because the fans and the owners will be happy to finish anywhere between 4th and 8th.

Emery will never be sacked for not winning anything or for not competing for the league and he is thriving in this low pressure environment.

Aston Villa has good players and the only reason they were in a relegation battle was because of Gerrard who is not managerial material.

Any proper coach would keep Aston Villa in the top 7-8. Emery is not performing any miracles.

Emery is not made for the big clubs or for big expectations. He is ideal for clubs like Aston Villa, Villarreal, Sevilla etc.

Emery’s career is going nowhere. He is in his managerial prime but at a club where he doesn’t have the resources to fight for the league. If he is an ambitious manager he surely cannot be happy with this.

No world class manager would be okay with spending more than a season at such a club.

Ancelotti accepted the Everton job because he had run out of options but as soon as he got another opportunity at big club, he left instantly.

If Emery was a top manager, he would have been prized away by a big club by now.

Just sounds a lot like coping mechanism after Unai bent Arteta over, in the same shoes Arteta would have Villa relegated am sure of it. No manager has had us in the CL for decades so that point doesn’t really stand. Why couldn’t Arteta dominate Unai ? I just think that Unai has exposed Arteta and shown us his true level, without the resources and backing, he’s nothing, god forbid what will happen when Arteta is out of a job at Arsenal. The most amusing thing is you think we’re celebrating small wins, when you’re angry at us for spoiling your party for getting to say we are second best.

 

[shaz619]

If Arsenal got relegated with Arteta, the Arteta bhangra club chairman would still come out nonsense to defend him.

So supposedly going from top 6 to title challenger is now a medal of honour

Frankie Gavin once challenged for the welterweight championship of the world, I am flabbergasted why he has not been inducted into the Hall Of Fame yet

 

[hassan918]

Teenager, 17, arrested over online abuse of Havertz​

A teenager has been arrested on suspicion of "malicious communications" following the online abuse of Arsenal striker Kai Havertz and his wife.

The boy, who is 17 years old and from St Albans, has been bailed while enquiries continue, Hertfordshire Police said.

Havertz's wife Sophia posted to her Instagram story two direct messages she had received after Arsenal's FA Cup defeat by Manchester United earlier this month, one which included threats to the couple's unborn child.

The German forward, 25, missed a chance to win the game in normal time and then had his penalty saved by United keeper Altay Bayindir in the shootout as United won 5-3 on penalties following the 1-1 draw.

The couple have been together since 2018 and got married last year, with Sophia announcing in November that she was pregnant.

In response to the messages, Sophia wrote the culprit should be "ashamed" of themselves, while Gunners boss Mikel Arteta said online abuse of players has "terrible consequences" and needs to be "eradicated from the game".

Source: BBC

 

[Mamoon]

Just sounds a lot like coping mechanism after Unai bent Arteta over, in the same shoes Arteta would have Villa relegated am sure of it. No manager has had us in the CL for decades so that point doesn’t really stand. Why couldn’t Arteta dominate Unai ? I just think that Unai has exposed Arteta and shown us his true level, without the resources and backing, he’s nothing, god forbid what will happen when Arteta is out of a job at Arsenal. The most amusing thing is you think we’re celebrating small wins, when you’re angry at us for spoiling your party for getting to say we are second best.

Only coping mechanism is from Emery fans who got humiliated when he got booted out by PSG and Arsenal and now celebrate individual wins over Arteta.

Besides, the funny thing is that this season, Arteta won at Villa and drew at home, so overall, he had the better of Emery so not show why you lot are celebrating?

Let me repeat myself: Arteta exposed Emery when he replaced him at Arsenal and did the job that Emery was supposed to do but was not good both to do so.

As for what Arteta would have done at Villa? Well, managing Villa is beneath Arteta just like it is beneath any world class manager. It is like asking if Pep would prevent Southampton from relegation.

 

[Mamoon]

please quote the post where I said that Odegaard is better than Musiala.

If you cannot find such a post, you will have to apologize because I clearly remember what I said.

@Amjid Javed Why have you gone quiet now?

Please find the above post or apologize

 

[MK7Z]

Lot of Unai chat on this thread and how he has done Arteta over? I like Unai - he carries himself well just didn't work out for him at Arsenal. He is a good coach.

However to say he "bent over" Arteta is an odd take considering Arteta took 4 points out of 6 from him this season, meaning Unai only got 1 out of a possible 6.

Make it make sense

Have a good day folks

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Emery’s CV says that he got two opportunities at two big clubs to fight for something meaningful and he failed both times.

Arteta has done the job at Arsenal that Emery was supposed to do but was not good enough to do so. Arteta is in a different class altogether.

If Emery was given unconditional support similar to what Arteta been given, I feel Arsenal would have won Major trophies by now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If Emery was given unconditional support similar to what Arteta been given, I feel Arsenal would have won Major trophies by now.

Agree. Emery had nowhere the finances to buy quality players. Im sure he would have won more than 2 charity shields in 5 years.

The argument Emery is not good enough because no 'big club' would take him but he has worked for more big clubs than Arteta. This is Artetas first major job in management, if he fails at Arsenal, Real , Barca, City etc wont be wanting his services, so its a pretty daft point made by Mamoon.

 

[MK7Z]

Agree. Emery had nowhere the finances to buy quality players. Im sure he would have won more than 2 charity shields in 5 years.

The argument Emery is not good enough because no 'big club' would take him but he has worked for more big clubs than Arteta. This is Artetas first major job in management, if he fails at Arsenal, Real , Barca, City etc wont be wanting his services, so its a pretty daft point made by Mamoon.

Again I like Emery but not sure about this love in for him on this thread. The best point to compare the 2 would be when Arteta has had as many any jobs/years in management.

Also he has built a good squad at Aston Villa but its implied he has done it on a tight budget. Far from it. He has spent near enough 300 million in just over 2 years. Spent about the same in 2 years at PSG. So he has had funds in jobs he has had.

At Arsenal in just over a year he spent close to 200 million. The fans didnt take to him and then the form dropped hence why it didnt work out. However he did spend a fair chunk while he was there even if it was for Pepe.

Unai is a good coach but has his flaws in certain games where he tries to get clever or gets over cautious. I remember him playing 3 Dms for us once lol. He has a very good CV and I hope he continues to do well.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Again I like Emery but not sure about this love in for him on this thread. The best point to compare the 2 would be when Arteta has had as many any jobs/years in management.

Also he has built a good squad at Aston Villa but its implied he has done it on a tight budget. Far from it. He has spent near enough 300 million in just over 2 years. Spent about the same in 2 years at PSG. So he has had funds in jobs he has had.

At Arsenal in just over a year he spent close to 200 million. The fans didnt take to him and then the form dropped hence why it didnt work out. However he did spend a fair chunk while he was there even if it was for Pepe.

Unai is a good coach but has his flaws in certain games where he tries to get clever or gets over cautious. I remember him playing 3 Dms for us once lol. He has a very good CV and I hope he continues to do well.

Its all hypothetical but I was suggesting if Emery was in Artetas shoes when Arteta took over and with the spend he has been given since.

Arteta is learning on the job, everyone can see this in his transfers, team selection and on field tactics. Emery is more experienced and overall a more complete manager atm. Arteta may reach his level with experience. We can see spends on year, how we wish but imo its wrong to say Arteta is a better manager atm.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Let's put all this Odegaard nonsense to rest once and for all. So Peshawari Jimmy hill is now demanding another apology . Its seem the other Odegaard fan boy only has enough courage to like posts but is still hiding (how ironic thar Odegaard does the same).

So let's look at season by season Arsenals main Cup, European, Top 4 or title deciding fixtures and whether Odegaard actually turns up.

Villareal (europa semi final)
Liverpool (league cup semi final)
Spurs (3-0) / Newcastle (2-0) - Arsenal bottled top 4
Liverpool (2-2) / Man city (4-1) - Arsenal bottle the league
Man city (0-0) / villa (0-2) - Arsenal fail to win title
CL knockouts vs Porto / Bayern
These are the pivtol big cup, European, Top 4 and title deciding games Arsenal have been in since Odegaard has been here. He's literally dissapeared or been nonexistent in all of them.

I won't even go into his shameful international record in last euro or world cup qualifiers.

Yet two of his fans want to call him elite, world class.

He walks into bayern or real Madrid team

Their is more than enough evidence to show this guy doesn't turn up when it matters most. People need to stop gassing him up, same goes for havertz and the manager at this football club.

Elite players, captains, so call match winners don't go missing like the list of matches above

 

[Amjid Javed]

you got humilated twice in a day during villa game and now your making demands again

But but you need to apologize.

 

[shaz619]

Only coping mechanism is from Emery fans who got humiliated when he got booted out by PSG and Arsenal and now celebrate individual wins over Arteta.

Besides, the funny thing is that this season, Arteta won at Villa and drew at home, so overall, he had the better of Emery so not show why you lot are celebrating?

Let me repeat myself: Arteta exposed Emery when he replaced him at Arsenal and did the job that Emery was supposed to do but was not good both to do so.

As for what Arteta would have done at Villa? Well, managing Villa is beneath Arteta just like it is beneath any world class manager. It is like asking if Pep would prevent Southampton from relegation.

Maybe it’s a subcontinent thing, but EPL fans from the UK support the team and not individuals, for you it’s not about Arsenal but Arteta FC. I could hardly care about what Unai’s past was and nor did I follow him like you may have once he left Arsenal for whatever weird reason, I knew he had EPL experience and proven success in Europe so he was a good fit for our club. Arteta exposed nothing besides getting his pants pulled down by Unai repeatedly, he got little to show in terms of the level of investment the club has made in him, a win and a draw at home against us; why don’t you give Arteta a trophy for that, he already has one for being 2nd best. Arteta has turned your club into a laughing stock, he’s reinforcing the wide view that you’re a small club who break when the going gets tough, so he is very much at home in that regard, he has bought you down to his level which is well beneath managing any of the football clubs with a rich legacy, it’s amusing you put him on par with Pep, more like he’s on par with Peps undies.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Maybe it’s a subcontinent thing, but EPL fans from the UK support the team and not individuals, for you it’s not about Arsenal but Arteta FC. I could hardly care about what Unai’s past was and nor did I follow him like you may have once he left Arsenal for whatever weird reason, I knew he had EPL experience and proven success in Europe so he was a good fit for our club. Arteta exposed nothing besides getting his pants pulled down by Unai repeatedly, he got little to show in terms of the level of investment the club has made in him, a win and a draw at home against us; why don’t you give Arteta a trophy for that, he already has one for being 2nd best. Arteta has turned your club into a laughing stock, he’s reinforcing the wide view that you’re a small club who break when the going gets tough, so he is very much at home in that regard, he has bought you down to his level which is well beneath managing any of the football clubs with a rich legacy, it’s amusing you put him on par with Pep, more like he’s on par with Peps undies.

the truth is harsh sometimes.

Never seen someone overhype Failing players or managers like this guy.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Imagine comparing one of the greatest players in PL history and an Arsenal legend against a 5 season failure at both Chelsea and Arsenal.

This when you certain members of this fan base are clueless.

Bergkamp turned him in big game for all the teams he played for domestically and at international level.

Clueless ball knowledge at it finest.

Only thing missing was your mate top spin and comedy scout trying to back up your nonsense

 

[shaz619]

the truth is harsh sometimes.

Never seen someone overhype Failing players or managers like this guy.

Are the vast swathes of Arsenal fans like this or is it only the ones from India

 

[Amjid Javed]

Are the vast swathes of Arsenal fans like this or is it only the ones from India

Unfortunately everyone fan base has these fans where they don't understand the values of the club, have zero clue about clubs history and have never seen the club win titles, so they feed on scraps and call it success. This is what you gey from the peshwar branch of the Arteta fan club.

 

[hassan918]

Arsenal all but secured their place in the last 16 of the Champions League with a comfortable 3-0 win over Croatian side Dinamo Zagreb at Emirates Stadium.

Only a heavy defeat in Girona next week will prevent the Gunners - who are third - finishing in the top eight places and therefore bypassing the play-off stage of the competition.

Source: BBC

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed Havertz Man of the Match. That must have hurt.

Thats all for tonight as I am busy right now. I will reply to the rest posted by you, @shaz619 and @aboveandbeyond tomorrow.

 

[Amjid Javed]

so I made the point that havertz and Odegaard only turn up when it doesn't matter. Havertz is a FTB, as expected Havertz turns up against Zagreb.

Just like he does vs Ipswich, Burnley, sheff utd and other rubbish teams

But but he was man of match...

But but he's better than Bergkamp

But but topspin agrees with me that havertz is better than Bergkamp

But but the comedy scout showed the stats and zagreb are best team in Europe for last 30 years

 

[ads101]

Again I like Emery but not sure about this love in for him on this thread. The best point to compare the 2 would be when Arteta has had as many any jobs/years in management.

Also he has built a good squad at Aston Villa but its implied he has done it on a tight budget. Far from it. He has spent near enough 300 million in just over 2 years. Spent about the same in 2 years at PSG. So he has had funds in jobs he has had.

At Arsenal in just over a year he spent close to 200 million. The fans didnt take to him and then the form dropped hence why it didnt work out. However he did spend a fair chunk while he was there even if it was for Pepe.

Unai is a good coach but has his flaws in certain games where he tries to get clever or gets over cautious. I remember him playing 3 Dms for us once lol. He has a very good CV and I hope he continues to do well.

Look at his two biggest signings for Arsenal. £72 million for a player in Pepe he didn’t want and was forced onto him by board. Saliba was next for £27 million, who he didn’t even get to use as he was on loan after the signing. The next highest fee was £26 million in Torreira which was Emery’s real highest signing, and he wasn’t a bad player for the time. Emerys other signings were relatively inexpensive and he made a lot of them, looking for bargains while rebuilding squad. On top he was pretty much instantly expected to get back into the top 4 regardless, while Arteta was given leeway.

Given Arteta is younger and is at a big club with a realistic chance of winning silverware, I think Arteta will likely in the long run have a more successful career in the long term. I expect he will eventually win a title if he’s kept on in the Arsenal club, but fans might point to whether he should won more, especially since really without choking the last two seasons should have been won by Arsenal already. Even if he left, I could see a big club taking a chance with him. I could very much see Emery ending his career without a non-French league title or champions league . Though we’re just talking potential, right now Arteta has won basically nothing compared to Emery.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Arsenal on verge of knockout stage as Havertz ensures win over Dinamo Zagreb

Job done for Mikel Arteta. After the week he has had, the last thing the Arsenal manager would have wanted was another frantic finale to a home fixture. For much of this contest, after Declan Rice had fired the hosts in front after only 72 seconds, it seemed the Gunners may have to go the distance as they huffed and puffed but couldn’t find a second goal to see off a spirited Dinamo Zagreb side managed by their defensive master Fabio Cannavaro.
A collective sigh of relief greeted the second goal from Kai Havertz – his 14th of the season – when it came 20 minutes before the end, as Martin Ødegaard added a third late on to virtually ensure Arsenal will finish in the top eight and avoid the need for a playoff next month. With a warm‑weather training camp in Dubai lined up instead, after their early exit from the FA Cup, it could do Arteta’s weary squad the world of good in the long run.

“It’s a massive step – this puts us in a really strong position ahead of our final match against Girona next week,” Arteta said. “If we earn the right to do [the training camp] that would be great. We’ve had a busy schedule and there have been a lot of demands on the players so if we can achieve that it would be great.”

While their progress in this competition has been pretty smooth so far, there was a reminder of fans’ frustrations with Arsenal’s mixed fortunes in the Premier League when it was revealed that a message had been added to a mural outside the ground featuring the co-chair Josh Kroenke and the former midfielder Santi Cazorla. “Time to splash some cash Josh,” it read. Kroenke was watching from the stands as Oleksandr Zinchenko performed well on only his fourth start of the season despite rumours he could leave the club this month, but saw Raheem Sterling struggle until he was replaced by Ethan Nwaneri in the second half.

The England forward was signed on loan from Chelsea at the last minute during the summer but has contributed only one goal so far, with Arsenal now expected to attempt to bolster their squad having been linked this week with a move for Wolves’ Matheus Cunha.

Dinamo have recovered well from the 9-2 mauling they endured against Bayern Munich in their opening match and find themselves level on points with Manchester City with still a realistic chance of a playoff, with one game to play against Milan. But having not played competitively since mid-December because of the winter break in their domestic league and under the command of the former Italy defender Cannavaro for the first time since he replaced Nenad Bjelica, it was perhaps no surprise they took time to find their feet. Arteta had urged his players to take out the frustrations of their draw here against Aston Villa on Saturday and they took him at his word.

Little more than a minute had passed when they found a way through Dinamo’s defence after Gabriel Martinelli’s cross was teed up expertly inside the area by Havertz for Rice to lash into the net. Rice and Gabriel Magalhães could not take further opportunities, with the Brazilian defender somehow missing the target from a corner routine that led to a mass of mocking arms being waved by the boisterous travelling support behind the goal.

Cannavaro described this beforehand as the “biggest match of my coaching career” and was pleased his side made it to half-time without further damage.

SOURCE: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/22/arsenal-dinamo-zagreb-champions-league-match-report

 

[Mamoon]

If Emery was given unconditional support similar to what Arteta been given, I feel Arsenal would have won Major trophies by now.

Arteta has not received 'unconditional' support. He has earned the support that he has received thus far because of the fact that Arsenal have had a positive trajectory under his leadership. Step by step, Arsenal have made strides in the right direction and the team has gone from struggling to stay in the top 6 to competing for the title.

Arteta is not Kroenke's son. Emery would also have received the same support had he shown what Arteta showed. Emery was completely out of his depth at Arsenal just like he was completely out of his depth at PSG.

 

[Mamoon]

Maybe it’s a subcontinent thing, but EPL fans from the UK support the team and not individuals, for you it’s not about Arsenal but Arteta FC. I could hardly care about what Unai’s past was and nor did I follow him like you may have once he left Arsenal for whatever weird reason, I knew he had EPL experience and proven success in Europe so he was a good fit for our club. Arteta exposed nothing besides getting his pants pulled down by Unai repeatedly, he got little to show in terms of the level of investment the club has made in him, a win and a draw at home against us; why don’t you give Arteta a trophy for that, he already has one for being 2nd best. Arteta has turned your club into a laughing stock, he’s reinforcing the wide view that you’re a small club who break when the going gets tough, so he is very much at home in that regard, he has bought you down to his level which is well beneath managing any of the football clubs with a rich legacy, it’s amusing you put him on par with Pep, more like he’s on par with Peps undies.

No one supports a player or a manager ahead of the club. That is a load of nonsense.

I supported Arsenal long, long, long before Arteta arrived at the club as a player and I will support Arsenal for as long as I am live which means most probably long after Arteta is gone as well.

My support for Arteta is based on the grounds that I firmly believe that he is the right man for the job and I have seen nothing this season that suggests that he has reached his ceiling. The only change that is required is adopting a somewhat different strategy in the market.

Since day 1, I had a lot of faith in Arteta doing a great job and he has vindicated my faith. However, the club will always be more important and if I see that there is a manager available in the market that Arsenal can acquire and who will do a better job than him, I will stop supporting him. I am interested in the success of Arsenal not in the success of Arteta.

As far as Emery is concerned, no genuine Arsenal fan will rate him given how poor he was at Arsenal. He stank up the place with his spineless personality and was such a poor fit for the club. The only regret is that the club should have showed faith in Arteta in 2018 instead of wasting 1.5 years with Emery.

"Arteta has turned your club into a laughing stock"

Again, load of nonsense. Arsenal was a laughing stock in the last few years of Wenger and during the 1.5 years of Emery. Arteta transformed the club and revived its stature as a title challenger. Arteta is the reason Arsenal fans go into a season with the expectation of winning the Premier League rather than finishing top 4. Arteta is the reason why finishing 2nd feels like a disappointment whereas few years earlier, it was beyond Arsenal's reach.

Speaking of laughing stock, the only laughing stock is Aston Villa. A historic, proud club that has been reduced to pointless mediocrities that never fight for anything. Aston Villa cannot compete for the Premier League for the next 20 years and the fans won't be unhappy. Not a single Aston Villa manager will get sacked for not competing for the title. The highlight of your season is winning a few matches vs the top 6.

Emery himself is a laughing stock who went to PSG to help them win the UCL and went to Arsenal to rebuild the club as a title challenger and faith both times and now finds himself popping champagne bottles after making top 4. He got downgraded like few managers in history have been downgraded.

 

[Mamoon]

Agree. Emery had nowhere the finances to buy quality players. Im sure he would have won more than 2 charity shields in 5 years.

The argument Emery is not good enough because no 'big club' would take him but he has worked for more big clubs than Arteta. This is Artetas first major job in management, if he fails at Arsenal, Real , Barca, City etc wont be wanting his services, so its a pretty daft point made by Mamoon.

The difference is that Arteta is still at Arsenal and his story has not ended yet. In comparison, Emery got kicked out of both PSG and Arsenal before he achieved anything and now he finds himself in a position where he is not being considered by any big clubs who are looking to win the league/CL.

You can compare him to Emery if Arteta gets sacked before he wins the PL and doesn't get another chance at a big club, but until that happens, there is no comparison between the two because Emery will have to live with the embarrassment of getting two shots at two big clubs and failing both times.

 

[Mamoon]

so I made the point that havertz and Odegaard only turn up when it doesn't matter. Havertz is a FTB, as expected Havertz turns up against Zagreb.

Just like he does vs Ipswich, Burnley, sheff utd and other rubbish teams

But but he was man of match...

But but he's better than Bergkamp

But but topspin agrees with me that havertz is better than Bergkamp

But but the comedy scout showed the stats and zagreb are best team in Europe for last 30 years

He is not better than Bergkamp as an overall player, not even close. Bergkamp's vision, touch, dribbling, intelligence were at a different level.

However, as a goal scorer, he is in the same boat. The most goals Bergkamp has ever scored in a season for Arsenal across all competitions is 22, and Havertz already has 14 goals this season and is on track for a 25 goals seasons.

25 goals seems a very good return for someone who is apparently totally rubbish and a useless donkey. This reinforces the point that Havertz is not the biggest problem, it is Martinelli.

Martinelli has only scored 7 goals this season for and last season he scored 8. That is a diabolical for a starting LW. He needs to be replaced with a winger who can score similar number of goals as Havertz and Saka and Arsenal will be in a much better position to win the league.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Vast majority of havetz goals come up against bottom half PL trash or mediocre European teams or lower league teams like Bolton and Preston.

So Arsenal sign a 65M and put him on 300K so he can turn as a FTB. He's the football version of Shan masood.

The fact your still harping on about Bergkamps goal output is hilarious. Bergkamp won Arsenal crucial big games, cup games and turned up in title deciders as well.

Havertz always dissapears when it comes to crunch time.

The fact your having to bring Martinelli into the discussion now as some sort of measuring yard stick is hilarious.

If you look at saka, havertz, Odegaard, Martinelli, trossard. The only one whose consistently performed season after season is saka. His consistent goals and assists reflect that.

Havertz, trossard, Martinelli, Odegaard have essentially over performed in 1 season in their careers in terms of really good goals and assists output and Arteta was foolish enough to think that was the norm for these players. It simply isn't, all of these players have now returned to their average underwhelming output.

Arteta wanted to squeeze so called last drops out of the lemon, now he's sucking on them.

People want to call out Martinelli, then at same time call Odegaard and havertz elite is hilarious. Trossard has just reverted to what he was at Brighton, a player who gets clutch goals, but also stinks the place out and sulks

If people actually looked at players underlying numbers, everyone in Arsenal's attack other then saka needs replacing.

I won't even bother mentioning Jesus. Half a good season in his entire career is a shambles.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The difference is that Arteta is still at Arsenal and his story has not ended yet. In comparison, Emery got kicked out of both PSG and Arsenal before he achieved anything and now he finds himself in a position where he is not being considered by any big clubs who are looking to win the league/CL.

You can compare him to Emery if Arteta gets sacked before he wins the PL and doesn't get another chance at a big club, but until that happens, there is no comparison between the two because Emery will have to live with the embarrassment of getting two shots at two big clubs and failing both times.

You have a crystal ball, a lottery predictor and back to the future time machine car? So far your predictions of 'in the bag' and winning 2/3 etc etc have failed. Its only sensible to use what has occurred not what you think will.

Emery ATM has far more experience, more wins, more clubs, more trophies.

To argue Arteta who is learning on the job and making huge mistakes is better manager than Emery is just foolish, something only a fanboy of the manager would suggest this. Take the rose tinted glasses off and the Areta poster too.

 

[shaz619]

No one supports a player or a manager ahead of the club. That is a load of nonsense.

I supported Arsenal long, long, long before Arteta arrived at the club as a player and I will support Arsenal for as long as I am live which means most probably long after Arteta is gone as well.

My support for Arteta is based on the grounds that I firmly believe that he is the right man for the job and I have seen nothing this season that suggests that he has reached his ceiling. The only change that is required is adopting a somewhat different strategy in the market.

Since day 1, I had a lot of faith in Arteta doing a great job and he has vindicated my faith. However, the club will always be more important and if I see that there is a manager available in the market that Arsenal can acquire and who will do a better job than him, I will stop supporting him. I am interested in the success of Arsenal not in the success of Arteta.

As far as Emery is concerned, no genuine Arsenal fan will rate him given how poor he was at Arsenal. He stank up the place with his spineless personality and was such a poor fit for the club. The only regret is that the club should have showed faith in Arteta in 2018 instead of wasting 1.5 years with Emery.

"Arteta has turned your club into a laughing stock"

Again, load of nonsense. Arsenal was a laughing stock in the last few years of Wenger and during the 1.5 years of Emery. Arteta transformed the club and revived its stature as a title challenger. Arteta is the reason Arsenal fans go into a season with the expectation of winning the Premier League rather than finishing top 4. Arteta is the reason why finishing 2nd feels like a disappointment whereas few years earlier, it was beyond Arsenal's reach.

Speaking of laughing stock, the only laughing stock is Aston Villa. A historic, proud club that has been reduced to pointless mediocrities that never fight for anything. Aston Villa cannot compete for the Premier League for the next 20 years and the fans won't be unhappy. Not a single Aston Villa manager will get sacked for not competing for the title. The highlight of your season is winning a few matches vs the top 6.

Emery himself is a laughing stock who went to PSG to help them win the UCL and went to Arsenal to rebuild the club as a title challenger and faith both times and now finds himself popping champagne bottles after making top 4. He got downgraded like few managers in history have been downgraded.

The right man for the job ? that’s fine if you’re happy with spankings from Villa every season and celebrating competitive draws against us like you won the whole league, this is the level which Arteta has reduced certain so called Arsenal fans to and you tell me you’re not a laughing stock after that, all the EPL clubs laugh at you mockingly and the best retort is we’ve failed for half a decade but it’s fine as long as we get a runner up trophy, you can’t see it but your level is having life and death with mid table teams, you think it’s some achievement if you’re positioned slightly better with your resource but relative to the level of investment, you’ve been shockingly poor and that’s due to a spineless coward scrounging off the club and on top of that gets bent by his daddy Unai.

 

[shaz619]

You had some legacy and prestige under Wenger, Arteta has made your club feel more like Tottenham these days @Mamoon and subcontinent fans follow the individuals more then the club usually before jumping ship when it suits them, I’ve not seen one criticism from you when it comes to Arteta

 

[MK7Z]

Finally getting our back up winger

 

[Amjid Javed]

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Finally getting our back up winger

yeah Arteta promised him Arsenal would win CL in 3 years (when he joined last time), so he's back based on that promise .

 

[Mamoon]

You have a crystal ball, a lottery predictor and back to the future time machine car? So far your predictions of 'in the bag' and winning 2/3 etc etc have failed. Its only sensible to use what has occurred not what you think will.

Emery ATM has far more experience, more wins, more clubs, more trophies.

To argue Arteta who is learning on the job and making huge mistakes is better manager than Emery is just foolish, something only a fanboy of the manager would suggest this. Take the rose tinted glasses off and the Areta poster too.

The only thing Emery has more experience of is being a failure at big clubs. He has a 100% failure rate in his managerial careers when it comes to big jobs. Name one club that he is excelled at that was aiming to compete for the league.

 

[Mamoon]

You had some legacy and prestige under Wenger, Arteta has made your club feel more like Tottenham these days @Mamoon and subcontinent fans follow the individuals more then the club usually before jumping ship when it suits them, I’ve not seen one criticism from you when it comes to Arteta

You can keep repeating the same nonsense but it will not change anything. Like I said before, I can’t speak for others but I have been supporting Arsenal since the late 90’s and I will continue to support the club forever regardless of the personnel. I will back Arteta as long as I feel he is the right man for the job and criticism by you and others will not influence that.

 

[Mamoon]

The right man for the job ? that’s fine if you’re happy with spankings from Villa every season and celebrating competitive draws against us like you won the whole league, this is the level which Arteta has reduced certain so called Arsenal fans to and you tell me you’re not a laughing stock after that, all the EPL clubs laugh at you mockingly and the best retort is we’ve failed for half a decade but it’s fine as long as we get a runner up trophy, you can’t see it but your level is having life and death with mid table teams, you think it’s some achievement if you’re positioned slightly better with your resource but relative to the level of investment, you’ve been shockingly poor and that’s due to a spineless coward scrounging off the club and on top of that gets bent by his daddy Unai.

Arteta is the right man for the job because he has transformed Arsenal from a team struggling to stay in the top 8 to a team that went toe to toe with City for the title. I firmly believe that Arsenal will get over the line under Arteta.

The fact is that Arteta has done what Wenger failed to do in his last 10 years and what Emery also failed to do - build a title challenging team. He made Arsenal relevant again after years of decline and compromised standards.

Arsenal became a laughing stock under Wenger because the club was reduced to a top 4 competitor only and the players actually celebrated finishing 4. Now the fans and the players are disappointed with 2nd. This is the Arteta effect.

 

[Mamoon]

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Vast majority of havetz goals come up against bottom half PL trash or mediocre European teams or lower league teams like Bolton and Preston.

So Arsenal sign a 65M and put him on 300K so he can turn as a FTB. He's the football version of Shan masood.

The fact your still harping on about Bergkamps goal output is hilarious. Bergkamp won Arsenal crucial big games, cup games and turned up in title deciders as well.

Havertz always dissapears when it comes to crunch time.

The fact your having to bring Martinelli into the discussion now as some sort of measuring yard stick is hilarious.

If you look at saka, havertz, Odegaard, Martinelli, trossard. The only one whose consistently performed season after season is saka. His consistent goals and assists reflect that.

Havertz, trossard, Martinelli, Odegaard have essentially over performed in 1 season in their careers in terms of really good goals and assists output and Arteta was foolish enough to think that was the norm for these players. It simply isn't, all of these players have now returned to their average underwhelming output.

Arteta wanted to squeeze so called last drops out of the lemon, now he's sucking on them.

People want to call out Martinelli, then at same time call Odegaard and havertz elite is hilarious. Trossard has just reverted to what he was at Brighton, a player who gets clutch goals, but also stinks the place out and sulks

If people actually looked at players underlying numbers, everyone in Arsenal's attack other then saka needs replacing.

I won't even bother mentioning Jesus. Half a good season in his entire career is a shambles.

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Usual nonsense. But but Havertz can score 25 goals but he only scores vs weak teams

The fact is that almost every attacker is more prolific vs weaker teams than stronger ones. This is how it is. Have you seen Palmer’s stats vs the top 6? Or even Haaland’s?

So cut this nonsense. It is an embarrassing justification on your end because Havertz’s goal tally this season doesn’t suit your stupid narrative that he is a useless donkey.

As far as his price tag is concerned, it was fair for a young player who is a full German international. His best years, his prime is still ahead of him. He has proved more value for money than Mount and Antony at United or Nunez at Liverpool.

He is just an easy target for people with agendas while the same people offer protection to a garbage footballer like Martinelli just because he is like a homegrown player.

Every single Arsenal attacker (and Odegaard) of the last two seasons except Jesus has been a thousand times better than Martinelli, and the only reason Jesus hasn’t been better than Martinelli is because of injuries, because as a player he is streets ahead. At least he has good technique.

Martinelli is nothing more than a Brazilian Walcott or Aaron Lennon and I will have a huge problem with Arteta if he doesn’t upgrade on him this summer. @shaz619 you mentioned that I never criticize Arteta for anything. Maybe you should open your eyes because I have criticized him for his faith in Martinelli numerous times.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Arteta has not received 'unconditional' support. He has earned the support that he has received thus far because of the fact that Arsenal have had a positive trajectory under his leadership. Step by step, Arsenal have made strides in the right direction and the team has gone from struggling to stay in the top 6 to competing for the title.

Arteta is not Kroenke's son. Emery would also have received the same support had he shown what Arteta showed. Emery was completely out of his depth at Arsenal just like he was completely out of his depth at PSG.

Emery came in to the Arsenal job with a glowing reputation as a tactical genius.
His presentation for the Arsenal job really impressed the Arsenal board, which landed him the job.

However, as this was his first managerial gig in the Premier League his communications skills lacked the standard. Hence, he had interpretors during post game interviews, and the players were confused with the lack of appropriate communication.

As of now, he has no issues with the communications barrier, hence he is doing very well at Villa.

Unai Emery at Arsenal: a failure or a victim of circumstance?

Unai Emery's time at Arsenal was a tumultuous one but following recent success at Aston Villa, it's time to look back at why it went wrong for him at the Emirates.

www.espn.co.uk

 

[Mamoon]

Emery came in to the Arsenal job with a glowing reputation as a tactical genius.
His presentation for the Arsenal job really impressed the Arsenal board, which landed him the job.

However, as this was his first managerial gig in the Premier League his communications skills lacked the standard. Hence, he had interpretors during post game interviews, and the players were confused with the lack of appropriate communication.

As of now, he has no issues with the communications barrier, hence he is doing very well at Villa.

Unai Emery at Arsenal: a failure or a victim of circumstance?

Unai Emery's time at Arsenal was a tumultuous one but following recent success at Aston Villa, it's time to look back at why it went wrong for him at the Emirates.

www.espn.co.uk

His “glowing reputation” took a hit when PSG booted him out, and his “tactical genius” was also exposed when he surrendered a 4-0 lead in the UCL vs Barcelona.

Arsenal took a chance with him because they wanted to look past the PSG failure and thought he would do what he did at Sevilla, but he was clearly not capable of rebuilding the club as a title challenger.

He is doing well at Villa because that is his ceiling. He is not a manager who belongs at the big clubs where he has to deal with the expectations of winning the league and the UCL. He cannot handle that kind of pressure.

He thrives with clubs where he can play the underdog narrative. He has it super easy at Aston Villa. He inherited a good team that was severely underperforming because of a terrible manager and he got them up and running as any experienced manager would have considered the players at Villa.

He is also living in a pressure free environment because unless Villa drops out of top 10 which they won’t due to their squad, his job will never be under threat.

Aston Villa is a pointless club that doesn’t fight for anything and doesn’t intend to either. No Villa manager will ever get sacked for not competing for the league or even for top 4.

Emery can finish anywhere between 4th and 8th and the fans will love him and the owners will be happy. This is exactly the low expectations environment that he thrives in.

On the contrary, managing a club where you’re constantly under pressure to win the league and your success is measured by it is a different kind of pressure that Emery cannot cope with.

The Arsenal board made a mistake by appointing him but to their credit, they rectified their mistake quickly and appointed the right man to take the club forward unlike United, who kept hiring poor or misfit managers post Fergie and got stuck in a loop.

If Arsenal owners weren’t sensible, Arsenal would have had 3-4 different managers post Wenger and the club wouldn’t be anywhere near top 2 now.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

His “glowing reputation” took a hit when PSG booted him out, and his “tactical genius” was also exposed when he surrendered a 4-0 lead in the UCL vs Barcelona.

Arsenal took a chance with him because they wanted to look past the PSG failure and thought he would do what he did at Sevilla, but he was clearly not capable of rebuilding the club as a title challenger.

He is doing well at Villa because that is his ceiling. He is not a manager who belongs at the big clubs where he has to deal with the expectations of winning the league and the UCL. He cannot handle that kind of pressure.

He thrives with clubs where he can play the underdog narrative. He has it super easy at Aston Villa. He inherited a good team that was severely underperforming because of a terrible manager and he got them up and running as any experienced manager would have considered the players at Villa.

He is also living in a pressure free environment because unless Villa drops out of top 10 which they won’t due to their squad, his job will never be under threat.

Aston Villa is a pointless club that doesn’t fight for anything and doesn’t intend to either. No Villa manager will ever get sacked for not competing for the league or even for top 4.

Emery can finish anywhere between 4th and 8th and the fans will love him and the owners will be happy. This is exactly the low expectations environment that he thrives in.

On the contrary, managing a club where you’re constantly under pressure to win the league and your success is measured by it is a different kind of pressure that Emery cannot cope with.

The Arsenal board made a mistake by appointing him but to their credit, they rectified their mistake quickly and appointed the right man to take the club forward unlike United, who kept hiring poor or misfit managers post Fergie and got stuck in a loop.

If Arsenal owners weren’t sensible, Arsenal would have had 3-4 different managers post Wenger and the club wouldn’t be anywhere near top 2 now.

Arteta has not achieved anything of note in the 5 years and 700 million he's spent.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You can keep repeating the same nonsense but it will not change anything. Like I said before, I can’t speak for others but I have been supporting Arsenal since the late 90’s and I will continue to support the club forever regardless of the personnel. I will back Arteta as long as I feel he is the right man for the job and criticism by you and others will not influence that.

Back whom you wish.

But when you suggest Arteta is a better manager than Emery , this is simply not true and not proven by anything atm.

Arteta has one FA cup & 2 charity shields ,which Im counting because he has.

Emery has a league title and 4 European cups to his name.

If Arteta is sacked, maybe only lower half of the PL teams may take him or he may need to abroad to learn the job properly and win something before any other big clubs take him.

 

[shaz619]

You can keep repeating the same nonsense but it will not change anything. Like I said before, I can’t speak for others but I have been supporting Arsenal since the late 90’s and I will continue to support the club forever regardless of the personnel. I will back Arteta as long as I feel he is the right man for the job and criticism by you and others will not influence that.

No manager is gods gift for their club that they are immune to any criticism and am not questioning the loyalty but the typical subcontinent practice

 

[Amjid Javed]

Typical nonsense from the havertz bhangra fan boy.

1st of all let's address your fabricated nonsense. I never mentioned havertz and 25 goals a season.

His record in PL is mediocre to say the least. 5 seasons and he's got into double figures once. His average PL goals a season currently stands at 8 a season.

Yet you think he can score 25? lay of drugs.



Even all competitions his record since he's been in PL is trash.



Whats Cole Palmer got to do with anything? He's season last year at Chelsea was better then any season havertz has had in the PL.

Haaland scores plenty of goals against the top 6 sides.

Havertz in PL since he's been here

Never scored against Arsenal in PL while at Chelsea.
0 goals vs man utd in PL
1 goal vs man city
1 goal vs liverpool
2 goals vs chelsea (at Arsenal)
1 goal vs spurs

Absolute pathetic record and your deluded enough To dismiss his abysmal record.

The fact you think he can score 25 goals a season

 

[MK7Z]

@KingKhanWC STARTING for Arsenal today an 18 year old and 17 year old. Needs must however is that enough academy products?

Not sure which other " title challenging" team would start players that age.

It shows our need for reinforcements however can put to bed of some claims we don't bring through academy players.

 

[Amjid Javed]

How the hell is that a red card? For once il agree the decision is a shambles

 

[MK7Z]

Oliver at it again
I don't care what anyone says that's not a red card in a million years. A standard tactical foul yellow.

I don't wanna hear any letter of the law rubbish after this

 

[MK7Z]

How the hell is that a red card? For once il agree the decision is a shambles

Oliver is pathetic referee. Always does us over. Smug piece of so and so. Insert your own expletives

 

[MK7Z]

If I was Arsenal I would not come out for the 2nd half

 

[MK7Z]

Also let's not let this paper over Havertz pathetic Misses earlier on with the headers which would have made this a different game

 

[Amjid Javed]

Oliver is pathetic referee. Always does us over. Smug piece of so and so. Insert your own expletives

Must have got his Xmas bonus from his middle Eastern bosses so that City can catch Arsenal

That has to be the worst red card I've ever seen in history of PL.

It's a yellow card offence.

Oliver indeed always seems to do this

 

[MK7Z]

Must have got his Xmas bonus from his middle Eastern bosses so that City can catch Arsenal

That has to be the worst red card I've ever seen in history of PL.

It's a yellow card offence.

Oliver indeed always seems to do this

It's pathetic man. No accountability for decisions that cost millions across different businesses. Relegation, promotion, betting, league positions, player bonuses etc etc

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's pathetic man. No accountability for decisions that cost millions across different businesses. Relegation, promotion, betting, league positions, player bonuses etc etc

What was even more disgraceful is that VAR didn't overturn it. We would have 25 red cards every week in PL fixtures if that's a dangerous tackle

I'm sure Howard Webb will come out with some mediocre apology afterwards.

We were poor in 1st half, so that should be looked at.

But the red card was a shambolic decision.

 

[Mamoon]

Why doesn’t FA hand over the PL trophy to Liverpool now? There is no point of faking impartiality.

The whole world can see the blatant corruption and agenda against Arsenal. 4th unfair red card of the season. What a farce.

 

[Amjid Javed]

1-0 calafori, but could be dissallowed