Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[Amjid Javed]

Keeping Merino on after another non performance is on the manager. Was absolutely knackered to.

Partey at RB is on the manager.

The signings he made this summer all have been ineffective.

Sorry to say he is at fault as much as any player.

Merino was amazing

He missed another chance to score

He was at fault for 1st goal

He ran around like a headless chicken

For all those "if mikel wants him I want him merchants" - you all deserve this humiliation

I said all along this guy was granite xhaka from wish.

It clearly shows no one watched this guy in la liga.

Also I said all along his mediocre pass completion stats was a huge red flag before he was signed

 

[Amjid Javed]

1 win from 7 games with Partey at RB

Well done mikel, amazing what 15M a year gets you

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal have still only won 2 games this season against teams in top 10 positions in the league.

Thats the shambolic state of performance

 

[MK7Z]

Merino was amazing

He missed another chance to score

He was at fault for 1st goal

He ran around like a headless chicken

For all those "if mikel wants him I want him merchants" - you all deserve this humiliation

I said all along this guy was granite xhaka from wish.

It clearly shows no one watched this guy in la liga.

Also I said all along his mediocre pass completion stats was a huge red flag before he was signed

I knew nothing about Merino. I don't watch La Liga games unless el classico.

I mean he is absolutely useless. That's on Mikel. The fact he still plays him for 90 mins.

The reason I go in hard on him is because he was signed on the back of a tight season. We needed a difference maker. Instead we got a lanky slow coach who takes 10 minutes to turn.

Anyways Liverpool need to wrap up this league and prove to Arsenal fans that it's not the end of the world if you change a manager.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

This capitulation is on the players not the manager. They switched off.

Are these not his players? He's been backed by quite a significant amount

 

[Amjid Javed]

I knew nothing about Merino. I don't watch La Liga games unless el classico.

I mean he is absolutely useless. That's on Mikel. The fact he still plays him for 90 mins.

The reason I go in hard on him is because he was signed on the back of a tight season. We needed a difference maker. Instead we got a lanky slow coach who takes 10 minutes to turn.

Anyways Liverpool need to wrap up this league and prove to Arsenal fans that it's not the end of the world if you change a manager.

I'm glad you agree on points I made.

We sold xhaka and we brought in havertz who wasn't good enough.

We needed a top quality midfielder and we sign spains 6th choice midfielder. This isn't like when Spain had xavi, iniesta, basques, fabregas etc.. and 6th choice was good quality.

This guy wasn't even sociedad most important player. It was such a underwhelming signing.

Then we signed calafori and just like Tomiyasu his injury record before he was signed was poor. Yet again mikel got his way.

This is what happens when you give the manager to much power on transfers.

The DOF / scouts should be doing their jobs and getting players in and the manager coaching them.

Look at all 4 signings made this season and 3 have been a shambles and neto the cup keeper hasn't played as he was cup tied for league cup and we are out of the FA cup.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Are these not his players? He's been backed by quite a significant amount

No edu picked them. Don't worry this will be his next excuse.

Please take merino back at Newcastle

 

[MK7Z]

What I don't understand about this Partey at RB rubbish. It clearly doesn't work if we have won one game that he has played there.

Declan Rice has played CB for West Ham. Competent enough CB. Timber plays RB and Partey in best position where he is very effective. But Mikel and his stubborn nature has to stick to plan.

Odegaard was poor AGAIN. I mean having no adequate back up does that to players. Mindset becomes such that they think they can't be dropped.

Goes back to recruitment.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I knew nothing about Merino. I don't watch La Liga games unless el classico.

I mean he is absolutely useless. That's on Mikel. The fact he still plays him for 90 mins.

The reason I go in hard on him is because he was signed on the back of a tight season. We needed a difference maker. Instead we got a lanky slow coach who takes 10 minutes to turn.

Anyways Liverpool need to wrap up this league and prove to Arsenal fans that it's not the end of the world if you change a manager.

This is a tough post to read, not because it's wrong but that I can't sit here and disagree that Merino has been poor

But more I'm a fan of his and expected him to do better, whether it's the managerial tactics or the extra pressure he's not coping with it and it shows in his performances

This isn't him as a player though, speak to any Sociedad fan and they'll tell you how good he is

Although, that ultimately doesn't help you because what matters is his performances for you and so far it's not been good enough

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

No edu picked them. Don't worry this will be his next excuse.

Please take merino back at Newcastle

I actually would

I love Joelinton but in some games we need a Merino far more than a Joelinton

 

[Amjid Javed]

I actually would

I love Joelinton but in some games we need a Merino far more than a Joelinton

Please take him, also take havertz as well

Thanks brother

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Please take him, also take havertz as well

Thanks brother

No, no

Keep Havertz away, unfortunately for you you're stuck with Havertz

 

[Amjid Javed]

This is a tough post to read, not because it's wrong but that I can't sit here and disagree that Merino has been poor

But more I'm a fan of his and expected him to do better, whether it's the managerial tactics or the extra pressure he's not coping with it and it shows in his performances

This isn't him as a player though, speak to any Sociedad fan and they'll tell you how good he is

Although, that ultimately doesn't help you because what matters is his performances for you and so far it's not been good enough

Merino may have some so called qualities.

But when you look at when xhaka was in the team, his passing range, probing passes, ball retention in the 1st title challenge season was a key element to 1st half of that season. Merino is nowhere near that level xhaka.

When your playing in an Arsenal system which is going to have vast majority of the ball and when your playing low blocks etc.. you have to have the killer pass. Merino is safety 1st, heck id have kept elneny over this guy.

Merino was never fit for purpose in this system. Yeah at Newcastle or somewhere else he might do well.

This is pure poor profiling from the manager

 

[Amjid Javed]

What I don't understand about this Partey at RB rubbish. It clearly doesn't work if we have won one game that he has played there.

Declan Rice has played CB for West Ham. Competent enough CB. Timber plays RB and Partey in best position where he is very effective. But Mikel and his stubborn nature has to stick to plan.

Odegaard was poor AGAIN. I mean having no adequate back up does that to players. Mindset becomes such that they think they can't be dropped.

Goes back to recruitment.

Glad you called the captain out.

If I said it I have an agenda .

All this talk of him being elite and world class is nonsense. If you look at his entire Arsenal career in key cup, European and title race games he gets found out.

He had 1 good game vs spurs and his performances since returning from injury just got swept under carpet.

The whole Full back, CB utilisation this season has been a shambles

Now unconfirmed reports are saliba might have a serious injury

 

[Amjid Javed]

The fact that Villa had better options on the bench than us tells you everything about the club the manager and the board.

They are not serious

Villa Brought on Duran and Bailey and went for it. We brought on sterling.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Thoughts and prayers go out to peshwari Jimmy hill, once again he's shed loads of tears after premature excitement. He's now suffering from dehydration.

Get well soon

 

[Mamoon]

I am extremely sad today. As I said earlier, this is on the players. They let Arteta and the fans today by going to sleep after 2-0. They all switched off and it was too late when they woke up again after Watkins’ goal.

The players must be held accountable and I hope Arteta had a real go at them in the dressing room.

 

[Mamoon]

Partey at RB is a necessity because Arsenal current is one right footed defender short because of White’s injury and because Tomiyasu cannot keep himself fit to save his life.

He must leave the club in the summer. Solid defender but a waste of space because he is never fit.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Partey at RB is a necessity because Arsenal current is one right footed defender short because of White’s injury and because Tomiyasu cannot keep himself fit to save his life.

He must leave the club in the summer. Solid defender but a waste of space because he is never fit.

He could have played Kiwior and then had Timber right back

 

[MK7Z]

He could have played Kiwior and then had Timber right back

Didn't you know bro. The world will end if you play a left footed CB on the right side of a CB pairing for one game.

 

[Amjid Javed]

How many times has Arteta used a right footed played at left back?

He's done it with Tomiyasu, he's done it with timber. Go back even further to start of him being manager he used AMN at left back.

So why can't a left footed full back play on right hand side, for the odd occasion.

The solutions were their and manager chose not to do it. So that's on Arteta.

This again goes back to poor squad recruitment. Tomiyasu and calafori were injury prone players signed, that's negligence on clubs part.

White had an injury for while and Arteta ran him into the ground. So if your going to persist with injury prone players. The fit players get over used.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Didn't you know bro. The world will end if you play a left footed CB on the right side of a CB pairing for one game.

You aren't allowed to play two left footed CB together.

You can't play a left back at RB.

But you can play RBs at LB

You can play DM at RB

Once again incompetence of the manager and his poor resources he signed

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Didn't you know bro. The world will end if you play a left footed CB on the right side of a CB pairing for one game.

I would have thought us playing Botman and Burn at the emirates over a week ago would have shown Arteta that it's possible

 

[Amjid Javed]

I would have thought us playing Botman and Burn at the emirates over a week ago would have shown Arteta that it's possible

Arsenal title CB pairing Adams and keown were both right footed

Same goes for Campbell and toure.

This myth that same footed CBs can't play together only seems to be an issue for Arteta, reality is he don't trust some of **** players he's signed.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arsenal title CB pairing Adams and keown were both right footed

Same goes for Campbell and toure.

This myth that same footed CBs can't play together only seems to be an issue for Arteta, reality is he don't trust some of **** players he's signed.

I do get the preference for Left/Right foot combination, it would be my preference but if injuries/suspensions occur then give me the specialist over picking someone else because he is right/left footed

 

[Amjid Javed]

I do get the preference for Left/Right foot combination, it would be my preference but if injuries/suspensions occur then give me the specialist over picking someone else because he is right/left footed

Arteta had plenty of options to use even without injuries, but he chooses to continue to be stubborn and clueless.

100% agreed always go with specialist in case of injuries and suspensions

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Well well well .

Arteta getting frustrated with the lack of action in the January window.

Arteta claims Arsenal do not have squad depth to compete with Liverpool

‘When you look at the bench … we are very, very short,’ said Mikel Arteta after his Arsenal side surrendered a two-goal lead to draw 2-2 with Aston Villa

www.theguardian.com

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well well well .

Arteta getting frustrated with the lack of action in the January window.

Arteta claims Arsenal do not have squad depth to compete with Liverpool

‘When you look at the bench … we are very, very short,’ said Mikel Arteta after his Arsenal side surrendered a two-goal lead to draw 2-2 with Aston Villa

www.theguardian.com

He's got his 15M a year and these are best owners he's worked with according to him. He's to blame for incompetent squad management

 

[Abdullah]

This season is definitely not over. Liverpool have Bournemouth Fulham and City away in their next 5 league games.

Either way Arteta definitely deserves next season to get over the line.Anybody thinking anything else is deluded.

I'm not an arsenal fan, but as a fan of a rival club, I would love for Arteta to get sacked, arsenal losing a couple of players to a bigger club and then have to start afresh with a new manager.

It would take more than one year.
Don't use the Slot example. He had a great squad and nobody left (they are leaving in the summer hopefully) has been fortunate with injuries. If they lose a VVD, Salah or Trent for any length of time, it would be the impact that losing Saka/Odegard has had on Arsenal. It's a joke how much of the first team is injured for Arsenal right now- sometimes you just have to suck it up and keep going.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

He's got his 15M a year and these are best owners he's worked with according to him. He's to blame for incompetent squad management

Your right.

Then again cracks could be forming in the relationship.

Maybe Arteta wants the board to fund new transfers in the current window?

 

[shaz619]

Unai giving Arteta his annual / seasonal spank

 

[ads101]

There’s just no winning mentality. Constantly bottling. Arsenal have had this bottling mentality for decades. Even in Emery choked away top 4. Last two seasons especially 2022/23 choked, they should have been won.

Until Arsenal win something, it’s always going to be like this. Just how Liverpool won the CL before finally clinching the title.

Yes the squad has flaws. Arteta has made some mistakes building. But the squad has been good enough to win the league last three seasons. It’s not like United or Chelsea where they do not have squads to win the league despite spending. It wouldn’t have taken bottling or underperforming this season as favourites if that wasn’t the case.

Bringing in washed up players who won at their prime eg Stirling, Jorginho, Willian, Jesus, zinchenko doesn’t work. They don’t build mentality and are all duds now.

If you go with managers that have won something you go with a Mourinho, conte, Tuchel etc who probably don’t play a brand of football that Arsenal want or will probably win the league these days (since Man City’s domination no one has won the league playing like that). Or guys like Klopp, pep, zidane who are unavailable. Otherwise you’ve got to take a risk on backing a manager like the rest. Sometimes it doesn’t work out like ten hag. Sometimes it does like Slot, Alonso. But yeah when Arteta was appointed he had absolutely no experience, at least the rest had experience in a foreign league.

I think Arsenal’s biggest mistake was not getting Ancelotti. Remember when he was at Everton. Was too big an opportunity to pass up. But I think the owners are obsessed on creating a manager that is pretty much only known for Arsenal like wenger. Better for brand.

As I said regardless of the manager, the best you can do is constantly be title challenging every season. Eventually you’ll win one as a result. And once you win the first one, it becomes far easier to win multiple.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Your right.

Then again cracks could be forming in the relationship.

Maybe Arteta wants the board to fund new transfers in the current window?

Maybe the board have said we have given you money and you keep wasting on goal keepers, left backs and number 8s.

If I was kronkes I wouldn't give him.any more money. I'd sack him.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Unai giving Arteta his annual / seasonal spank

My mate Unai then delivered a tombstone pile driver and ended Arteta's season for 3rd time.

 

[Amjid Javed]

There’s just no winning mentality. Constantly bottling. Arsenal have had this bottling mentality for decades. Even in Emery choked away top 4. Last two seasons especially 2022/23 choked, they should have been won.

Until Arsenal win something, it’s always going to be like this. Just how Liverpool won the CL before finally clinching the title.

Yes the squad has flaws. Arteta has made some mistakes building. But the squad has been good enough to win the league last three seasons. It’s not like United or Chelsea where they do not have squads to win the league despite spending. It wouldn’t have taken bottling or underperforming this season as favourites if that wasn’t the case.

Bringing in washed up players who won at their prime eg Stirling, Jorginho, Willian, Jesus, zinchenko doesn’t work. They don’t build mentality and are all duds now.e

If you go with managers that have won something you go with a Mourinho, conte, Tuchel etc who probably don’t play a brand of football that Arsenal want or will probably win the league these days (since Man City’s domination no one has won the league playing like that). Or guys like Klopp, pep, zidane who are unavailable. Otherwise you’ve got to take a risk on backing a manager like the rest. Sometimes it doesn’t work out like ten hag. Sometimes it does like Slot, Alonso. But yeah when Arteta was appointed he had absolutely no experience, at least the rest had experience in a foreign league.

I think Arsenal’s biggest mistake was not getting Ancelotti. Remember when he was at Everton. Was too big an opportunity to pass up. But I think the owners are obsessed on creating a manager that is pretty much only known for Arsenal like wenger. Better for brand.

As I said regardless of the manager, the best you can do is constantly be title challenging every season. Eventually you’ll win one as a result. And once you win the first one, it becomes far easier to win multiple.

The shambolic recruitment of other teams left overs is on the manager. He specially asked for these players..

Even Jesus and crybaby were only good for half a seaaon Jesus returned to his mediocre self and the politician exposed for his inability to defend.

After 5 years, you would expect a squad to be able to compete on more than 1 front, the fact Arsenal in the cups are a shambles, in Europe an embarrassment as well is on the manager. No other big club would tolerate this.

The fact Arsenal do tolerate such failure is the reason their is a weak mentality at club, when their is no accountability means again weak mentality.

Then the so called unattractive football of a Mourinho, conte, simone, inzaghi etc.. yet Under Arteta the team is playing a brand of football that even Stoke or Burnley fans would complain about.

Every footballer is aintable its about a price, same goes for managers. This notion that Arsenal can't obtain a top manager is rubbish. The owners don't want a manager who will demand success or challenge them. They want young coach who will just nod and fall in line like an obident dog..that's how all their franchises work.

But the fan base were happy accepting this at the club, so everyone thsts been humbled this season deserves it.

Then we had the Odegaard fan club being given a slap of reality.

The havertz is better than haaland fan club given a slap of reality.

This mess will only get worse.

Those trusting the process, keep strapped in on rollercoaster or just like in final destination your heading for a fatal crash.

 

[Mamoon]

I think Arsenal’s biggest mistake was not getting Ancelotti. Remember when he was at Everton. Was too big an opportunity to pass up. But I think the owners are obsessed on creating a manager that is pretty much only known for Arsenal like wenger. Better for brand.

Avoiding Ancelotti is the best thing the owners could have done. Ancelotti has been coaching the top European clubs for 25 years and he has only won the league 6 times in his career.

He is a failure in league football. He is a glorified cup manager who is a great man manager but can only win when he has world class players at his disposal.

Him and Arsenal would have been a terrible fit. He cannot rebuild a team that is languishing outside the top 6. Had Arsenal hired him, he would have gone by 2021 max without taking the club forward in the league.

The owners deserve a lot of credit for not going through the vicious cycle that United did post SAF who kept appointing the wrong managers.

The Arsenal owners messed up only once by appointing Emery who does not have the mentality to handle big jobs, but they quickly rectified that mistake. The only regret is that they didn’t trust Arteta at the time when they hired Emery.

Arteta wanted to join immediately after Wenger and had Arsenal appointed him at the time instead of wasting 1.5 years with Emery, Arsenal would have been one step closer to winning the league now.

 

[Mamoon]

Unai giving Arteta his annual / seasonal spank

That’s the highlight of his season I guess, but this is what he has been reduced to after getting exposed at PSG and Arsenal.

Emery is in the prime of his managerial career and is wasting it at a pointless club like Villa where he is not fighting for anything meaningful and none of the big clubs are interesting in acquiring his services.

 

[Mamoon]

He could have played Kiwior and then had Timber right back

How many times has Arteta used a right footed played at left back?

He's done it with Tomiyasu, he's done it with timber. Go back even further to start of him being manager he used AMN at left back.

So why can't a left footed full back play on right hand side, for the odd occasion.

The solutions were their and manager chose not to do it. So that's on Arteta.

This again goes back to poor squad recruitment. Tomiyasu and calafori were injury prone players signed, that's negligence on clubs part.

White had an injury for while and Arteta ran him into the ground. So if your going to persist with injury prone players. The fit players get over used.

But you don't have the guts to call out the manager on poor recruitment

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Kiwior is a spineless character who cannot even defend on his favored side. It is understandable why Arteta lost faith in him. He should have been off the books in the summer.

Arsenal didn’t capitulate last night because Partey played at RB. The players switched off probably thinking that they have won already but you need to keep your head in the game until the final whistle.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta main cheerleader will keep peddling out the excuses, its funny how he calls out others for not being objective. Calls others toxic and an agenda. Yet he will make every excuse possible for his arteta.

I'm glad you got humbled not once, but twice.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Kiwior is a spineless character who cannot even defend on his favored side. It is understandable why Arteta lost faith in him. He should have been off the books in the summer.

Arsenal didn’t capitulate last night because Partey played at RB. The players switched off probably thinking that they have won already but you need to keep your head in the game until the final whistle.

A manager lives and dies by his signings, he chose to spend £20m on Kiwior, it's a failure on his part if he can't trust him

He also chose to pay £60m for Havertz combined with making the highest paid player at the club, it was said at the time it will make or break him and it's looking like a break as things stand

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Avoiding Ancelotti is the best thing the owners could have done. Ancelotti has been coaching the top European clubs for 25 years and he has only won the league 6 times in his career.

He is a failure in league football. He is a glorified cup manager who is a great man manager but can only win when he has world class players at his disposal.

Him and Arsenal would have been a terrible fit. He cannot rebuild a team that is languishing outside the top 6. Had Arsenal hired him, he would have gone by 2021 max without taking the club forward in the league.

The owners deserve a lot of credit for not going through the vicious cycle that United did post SAF who kept appointing the wrong managers.

The Arsenal owners messed up only once by appointing Emery who does not have the mentality to handle big jobs, but they quickly rectified that mistake. The only regret is that they didn’t trust Arteta at the time when they hired Emery.

Arteta wanted to join immediately after Wenger and had Arsenal appointed him at the time instead of wasting 1.5 years with Emery, Arsenal would have been one step closer to winning the league now.

I get you are a fan of Arteta, it's a subjective feeling and you are still convinced he'll come good but where on earth do you get off insulting managers with such big achievement that Arteta hasn't even got remotely close to?

Ancelotti you call a failure in league football. 6 titles in 25 years, that's still 1 in every 4 years (that too he has won across 5 different countries)

If that makes him a failure, what does that say for Arteta who has 0 in 6 is it?

Calling someone a glorified cup manager is insulting considering that's 5 Champions League titles he has won

If you want to big up Arteta and fully support him, that's your call and you will have your reasons but having a dig at Ancelotti just makes you look foolish

 

[Amjid Javed]

A manager lives and dies by his signings, he chose to spend £20m on Kiwior, it's a failure on his part if he can't trust him

He also chose to pay £60m for Havertz combined with making the highest paid player at the club, it was said at the time it will make or break him and it's looking like a break as things stand

He want call out the manager for the poor signings he's made, if you look at the 30+ signings he's made around 7 or 8 max have been a success. Even that's debatable.

Poor substandard recruitment, the fact Arteta has given so many players new contract and then doesn't trust them again shows incompetence.

It's all good selecting a strongest starting 11, you earn your money by managing your entire squad.

This notion from fan base he would be a success at other big clubs is hilarious. One he is struggling to get over the line at a club with no ambition, any other club wudnt tolerate this and he would be sacked with 18-24 months, if not sooner.

He's just another Rogers, poch, raneri (chelsea) level manager

 

[Amjid Javed]

I get you are a fan of Arteta, it's a subjective feeling and you are still convinced he'll come good but where on earth do you get off insulting managers with such big achievement that Arteta hasn't even got remotely close to?

Ancelotti you call a failure in league football. 6 titles in 25 years, that's still 1 in every 4 years (that too he has won across 5 different countries)

If that makes him a failure, what does that say for Arteta who has 0 in 6 is it?

Calling someone a glorified cup manager is insulting considering that's 5 Champions League titles he has won

If you want to big up Arteta and fully support him, that's your call and you will have your reasons but having a dig at Ancelotti just makes you look foolish

Both Arteta bhangra boy and Top spin called Ancelotti a failure and a cup manager. Topspin said he doesn't win regular titles.

Yet in his current spell at Madrid in 3 seasons he has 2 la ligas and 2 CL. Currently 2nd in la liga (game in hand over Athleti who are top)

So he could win a 3rd title in 4 seasons.

But this fan base would rather keep this failure in charge, a manager with zero European pedigree and as far as big clubs go is a failure in terms of 0 titles in 6 seasons

 

[Mamoon]

I get you are a fan of Arteta, it's a subjective feeling and you are still convinced he'll come good but where on earth do you get off insulting managers with such big achievement that Arteta hasn't even got remotely close to?

Ancelotti you call a failure in league football. 6 titles in 25 years, that's still 1 in every 4 years (that too he has won across 5 different countries)

If that makes him a failure, what does that say for Arteta who has 0 in 6 is it?

Calling someone a glorified cup manager is insulting considering that's 5 Champions League titles he has won

If you want to big up Arteta and fully support him, that's your call and you will have your reasons but having a dig at Ancelotti just makes you look foolish

6 league titles in 25 years is a monumental failure when you consider the fact that apart from very brief spells at Everton and Napoli, he has only managed the most powerful European clubs in this period with massive resources.

He should have won at least twice the number of league titles in this period. He has not even achieved the bare minimum which he should have in league football.

6 out of 25 is a very poor return given the clubs that he has been at. Winning numbers UCLs is great but ultimately it is a cup competition and cups are a flawed measure of how strong a team or manager is.

The best team does not always win the cup but you have to be the best team to win the league. The real measure of the quality of a team and manager is league performance.

If Arteta manages for 25 years and only wins 6 league title, it will be an underwhelming return irrespective of how many UCLs he wins.

Ancelotti is one of the most overhyped managers in history who has been tactically found out in league football.

I admire Arteta and some of the sophistication of his thinking but ultimately I am a fan of Arsenal and I will support Arteta until the day I feel that he is not the right man for Arsenal and that day has not come yet.

 

[Mamoon]

Both Arteta bhangra boy and Top spin called Ancelotti a failure and a cup manager. Topspin said he doesn't win regular titles.

Yet in his current spell at Madrid in 3 seasons he has 2 la ligas and 2 CL. Currently 2nd in la liga (game in hand over Athleti who are top)

So he could win a 3rd title in 4 seasons.

But this fan base would rather keep this failure in charge, a manager with zero European pedigree and as far as big clubs go is a failure in terms of 0 titles in 6 seasons

Yes, winning La Liga with the all powerful Real Madrid while Barcelona is in a bit of a crisis is the greatest achievement in the world that only Don Carlo could have pulled off.

I can name 10 managers including Arteta who would have won La Liga with Real Madrid in the last couple of seasons.

 

[Mamoon]

A manager lives and dies by his signings, he chose to spend £20m on Kiwior, it's a failure on his part if he can't trust him

He also chose to pay £60m for Havertz combined with making the highest paid player at the club, it was said at the time it will make or break him and it's looking like a break as things stand

Every manager makes bad signings. There isn’t a manager in history who hasn’t. It is part and parcel of football, but you have to look at the net effect.

Arteta took Arsenal from 8th to 2nd. He raised the bar and revived the competitive mentality of the club. The same set of fans who celebrated 4th like a trophy are now disappointed with 2nd.

All of this is only possible when you make the right moves in the market. You cannot raise the level og a club without doing good work in the market. Therefore, considering that the overall net effect has been positive, I don’t feel the need to fixate over individual poor signings.

 

[shaz619]

That’s the highlight of his season I guess, but this is what he has been reduced to after getting exposed at PSG and Arsenal.

Emery is in the prime of his managerial career and is wasting it at a pointless club like Villa where he is not fighting for anything meaningful and none of the big clubs are interesting in acquiring his services.

Whatever it was that you were fighting, for Unai has had a say in that ever since you started giving us cheek

 

[Amjid Javed]

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[Amjid Javed]

Whatever it was that you were fighting, for Unai has had a say in that ever since you started giving us cheek

Unai has ended Arteta's season 3 times in a row. This is why Arteta fan boy is so bitter. He has to resort to trying to belittle other clubs, when reality is Arsenal under Arteta have been a failure.

He's busy now eating humble pie and wiping away his tears.

 

[shaz619]

Unai has ended Arteta's season 3 times in a row. This is why Arteta fan boy is so bitter. He has to resort to trying to belittle other clubs, when reality is Arsenal under Arteta have been a failure.

He's busy now eating humble pie and wiping away his tears.

That’s what has become, being limited to getting triggered by my lowly club. Not happy how this season has gone but overall still content with what Unai has achieved, while Arteta has had a free ride for half a decade and not shown much, he has been so bruised by this competing with City that he can’t even pick up the scraps when City are having their worst season in some time

 

[Amjid Javed]

If you look at the January TW since Arteta has been here the club has signed Mari, cedric (signed injured), trossard, jorghino and kiwor. This shows how interiors this club is when it comes to trying to reinforced squad mid season.

So summer TW are always most important, yet every season more and more holes are found. Shambolic squad building over a 5 year period.

 

[Amjid Javed]

That’s what has become, being limited to getting triggered by my lowly club. Not happy how this season has gone but overall still content with what Unai has achieved, while Arteta has had a free ride for half a decade and not shown much, he has been so bruised by this competing with City that he can’t even pick up the scraps when City are having their worst season in some time

It's actually embarrassingly funny that he will turn around and say that Villa, Newcastle, Man utd beating Arsenal is each clubs highlight of the season.

At same time he threw towel in October saying Arsenal season over, so what exactly Is the highlight of the season for this . Maybe it's him being humbled twice in a day yesterday.

 

[Mamoon]

Whatever it was that you were fighting, for Unai has had a say in that ever since you started giving us cheek

Emery is a clown whose career is going in reverse. He went from PSG/Arsenal to Villa whereas it should have been the other way around.

Barcelona, United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Bayern, Juventus - all these huge clubs have changed managers in the last 12 months and Emery would have crawled on his knees to get any of these jobs but none of those clubs looked at him because they know he doesn’t have the chops to deal with the pressure of big jobs.

He is perfect for clubs where he can go from bottom half to top 6 and play the underdog narrative.

PSG gave him the opportunity to manage one of the richest clubs in the world and win the UCL but he bottled a 4-0 lead vs Barcelona and bottled the league to Monaco.

They kicked him out and he landed in Arsenal where he was tasked with rebuilding Arsenal and compete to win the Premier League but he started sweating buckets and proved that he doesn’t have the courage to deal with such pressure and expectations.

If Emery was any good, he would still be at PSG or he would be where Arteta is today, going toe to toe with City/Liverpool to win the league.

Instead, he has been reduced to throwing parties and popping champagne for making top 4 with Villa and being a party pooper for Arteta.

Arteta has done the job at Arsenal that Emery was hired to do but was not good enough to do so. Unless Emery goes to a big club again and redeems himself, he will always be in Arteta’s shadow.

 

[shaz619]

Emery is a clown whose career is going in reverse. He went from PSG/Arsenal to Villa whereas it should have been the other way around.

Barcelona, United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Bayern, Juventus - all these huge clubs have changed managers in the last 12 months and Emery would have crawled on his knees to get any of these jobs but none of those clubs looked at him because they know he doesn’t have the chops to deal with the pressure of big jobs.

He is perfect for clubs where he can go from bottom half to top 6 and play the underdog narrative.

PSG gave him the opportunity to manage one of the richest clubs in the world and win the UCL but he bottled a 4-0 lead vs Barcelona and bottled the league to Monaco.

They kicked him out and he landed in Arsenal where he was tasked with rebuilding Arsenal and compete to win the Premier League but he started sweating buckets and proved that he doesn’t have the courage to deal with such pressure and expectations.

If Emery was any good, he would still be at PSG or he would be where Arteta is today, going toe to toe with City/Liverpool to win the league.

Instead, he has been reduced to throwing parties and popping champagne for making top 4 with Villa and being a party pooper for Arteta.

Arteta has done the job at Arsenal that Emery was hired to do but was not good enough to do so. Unless Emery goes to a big club again and redeems himself, he will always be in Arteta’s shadow.

Since Unai is x, y, z and some bum of the street, the great Arteta is limited to getting compared to him and every season gets his pants pulled down by Unai, what happened yesterday It just so happens you/Arteta are happy to give us a point at such a crucial juncture

 

[Amjid Javed]

Since Unai is x, y, z and some bum of the street, the great Arteta is limited to getting compared to him and every season gets his pants pulled down by Unai, what happened yesterday It just so happens you/Arteta are happy to give us a point at such a crucial juncture

With 15M a year wage, Arteta should invest in a decent belt, as he's had his pants down regularly for 5 yeses now.

Imagine being humilated twice in a day, to try and save face as a poster you start trying to belittle other clubs as coping mechanism.

The kermit frog meme is perfect for that, but keeps getting taken down

 

[Mamoon]

Since Unai is x, y, z and some bum of the street, the great Arteta is limited to getting compared to him and every season gets his pants pulled down by Unai, what happened yesterday It just so happens you/Arteta are happy to give us a point at such a crucial juncture

What happened yesterday? This is what happened yesterday:

Emery walked down the corridors of one of the greatest stadiums in the world reflecting on his past and thinking that if he was he not a coward, he would still be managing Arsenal and going toe to toe with City and Liverpool for the title.

He must be looking at Arteta with envy, thinking that if he wasn’t a coward, he would be where Arteta is now. Fact is that Arteta’s failures tower above Emery’s success.

Finishing 2nd is a disappointment for Arteta but finishing 4th is an achievement for Emery.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Aww look the poor Arteta fan boy clutching at straws and trying to divert attention away from another bottle job moment from Arteta. Seems even after a double portion of humble pie, he's still hungry for more.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Every manager makes bad signings. There isn’t a manager in history who hasn’t. It is part and parcel of football, but you have to look at the net effect.

Arteta took Arsenal from 8th to 2nd. He raised the bar and revived the competitive mentality of the club. The same set of fans who celebrated 4th like a trophy are now disappointed with 2nd.

All of this is only possible when you make the right moves in the market. You cannot raise the level og a club without doing good work in the market. Therefore, considering that the overall net effect has been positive, I don’t feel the need to fixate over individual poor signings.

I absolutely agree, no one is perfect in the market, every manager has duds

However, certain signings can be influential, one way or another

Kiwior is a bad signing, okay, that can happen but then it's highlighted when you end up playing a full ball at CB and a CM at RB

Havertz as well, a lot of money for someone who was underwhelming at Chelsea, making him the highest paid player too. It was a strange signing because he doesn't really fit in anywhere, not good enough as an 8 and not good enough as a 9. I think he could be useful as a 10 but Arteta doesn't play with one. So he obviously thought he could turn him into something he's not and it's backfired so far

I actually agree with you about what he's done to get Arsenal from 8th to challenging for the title, as an outside observer it does deserve credit but you can only get away with that for so long. At some point he has to win.

Finally, I don't necessarily agree going from 8th to 2nd means he made the right moves in the market. 2 of the key players to drive that improvement were Saka and Saliba, neither players he signed. Before you day, he absolute gets credit for coaching them but I would just challenge the idea he's been very good when it comes to transfers simply because you went from 8th to 5th to 2nd

 

[Amjid Javed]

All this Arteta took Arsenal from 8th to 2nd nonsense needs to stop

Arteta took the club backwards yet people acting like he tool over an Arsenal team which regularly finished 8th..

It took him two and half seasons to finish 5th, something both wenger and Emery had done in seasons before.

Also people want to talk about the squad helping Arsenal challenge? Same squad which was poorly built in "depth" is exactly why it keeps falling short.

But Artetasexuals will just conviently ignore thar point as it doesn't fit their agenda

 

[aboveandbeyond]

For me if Arsenal want to take the next step and get over the line to win a Major, they will have to bring a CF in and Tinker with the formation.

If it's Osimen or Isaak as the focal point, then play Havertz as a 10, he is a quality player in thst position. Move Odegaard to the 8, and Rice as the 6. This will give Arsenal better balance.

 

[Amjid Javed]

For me if Arsenal want to take the next step and get over the line to win a Major, they will have to bring a CF in and Tinker with the formation.

If it's Osimen or Isaak as the focal point, then play Havertz as a 10, he is a quality player in thst position. Move Odegaard to the 8, and Rice as the 6. This will give Arsenal better balance.

You start off so well mentioning up to the focal point, then spoilt it with a load of rubbish afterwards.

New manager is the 1st point of call.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

For me if Arsenal want to take the next step and get over the line to win a Major, they will have to bring a CF in and Tinker with the formation.

If it's Osimen or Isaak as the focal point, then play Havertz as a 10, he is a quality player in thst position. Move Odegaard to the 8, and Rice as the 6. This will give Arsenal better balance.

A midfield of Rice, Odegaard and Havertz doesn't scream title winning to me

 

[aboveandbeyond]

A midfield of Rice, Odegaard and Havertz doesn't scream title winning to me

For me there's more balance.

Havertz would excell at 10 like he did at Leverkuson.

Oddegard just doesn't offer enough as the playmaker, likewise Rice doesn't offer enough as the 8, would be better in thr cdm position

 

[aboveandbeyond]

You start off so well mentioning up to the focal point, then spoilt it with a load of rubbish afterwards.

New manager is the 1st point of call.

If Arteta wants to save his career or season he needs to act

 

[Amjid Javed]

For me there's more balance.

Havertz would excell at 10 like he did at Leverkuson.

Oddegard just doesn't offer enough as the playmaker, likewise Rice doesn't offer enough as the 8, would be better in thr cdm position

Havertz has been tried in multiple positions at Chelsea, Arsenal and Germany and has failed. The guy is jus vastly overated.

Arsenal can look for much better number 10 options in the market.

Rather then an over paid FTB

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Havertz has been tried in multiple positions at Chelsea, Arsenal and Germany and has failed. The guy is jus vastly overated.

Arsenal can look for much better number 10 options in the market.

Rather then an over paid FTB

For Germany he had issues at Cf position.

He will now be utilized as the 10, with Musiaka and wirtz either side of him.

 

[Mamoon]

Havertz is not a CF who gets you 30 goals a season. He, however, does a lot of good things which makes him a very good player.

To get the best out of him, you have to pair him with goal scoring wide forwards. If you don’t have those, then don’t play him.

Firmino never scored more than 15 goals in a single Premier League season, but he had Salah and Mane on the wings who would score more frequently than most strikers.

You pair Firmino alongside Martinelli, Trossard, Saka etc. and he would also be one of the most criticized players for not scoring enough goals.

Here is a fun fact — Bergkamp who is one of Arsenal’s greatest ever players and of course much better than Havertz, never scored more than 16 goals in a single Premier League season.

In fact, he had several seasons where he scored less than 10 goals in the entire league campaign and some seasons with less than 5, but it was not an issue because he was playing next to goal machines like Ian Wright and Henry.

You put Bergkamp in this Arsenal team and he will also get criticized for not be being a proper goal scorer.

Havertz is also not a proper goal scorer, but he is a very good player in his own right. He needs to be paired with an Henry or Ian Wright.

The usual 0 IQ posters will jump at me for juxtaposing Bergkamp and Havertz even though I have already made it clear that Bergkamp was much better than Havertz, but the fact is that both share a striking (pun intended) similarity: they are (were) not natural goal-scorers, so you have to pair them with one to get the best out of them.

Arsenal got the best out of Bergkamp by pairing him with the likes of Wright and Henry and they also need to do the same with Havertz. If you play Havertz as your lone goal threat then it is your problem not Havertz’s. He is not that kind of profile.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Havertz is not a CF who gets you 30 goals a season. He, however, does a lot of good things which makes him a very good player.

To get the best out of him, you have to pair him with goal scoring wide forwards. If you don’t have those, then don’t play him.

Firmino never scored more than 15 goals in a single Premier League season, but he had Salah and Mane on the wings who would score more frequently than most strikers.

You pair Firmino alongside Martinelli, Trossard, Saka etc. and he would also be one of the most criticized players for not scoring enough goals.

Here is a fun fact — Bergkamp who is one of Arsenal’s greatest ever players and of course much better than Havertz, never scored more than 16 goals in a single Premier League season.

In fact, he had several seasons where he scored less than 10 goals in the entire league campaign and some seasons with less than 5, but it was not an issue because he was playing next to goal machines like Ian Wright and Henry.

You put Bergkamp in this Arsenal team and he will also get criticized for not be being a proper goal scorer.

Havertz is also not a proper goal scorer, but he is a very good player in his own right. He needs to be paired with an Henry or Ian Wright.

The usual 0 IQ posters will jump at me for juxtaposing Bergkamp and Havertz even though I have already made it clear that Bergkamp was much better than Havertz, but the fact is that both share a striking (pun intended) similarity: they are (were) not natural goal-scorers, so you have to pair them with one to get the best out of them.

Arsenal got the best out of Bergkamp by pairing him with the likes of Wright and Henry and they also need to do the same with Havertz. If you play Havertz as your lone goal threat then it is your problem not Havertz’s. He is not that kind of profile.

I think your IQ is lacking here.

What you say about Bergkamp is spot on. But Bergkamp infact in this Arsenal team would be the difference maker, because of his extraordinary quality on the ball which would create space for others.

This is where Havertz and others lack, they can't break the lines in one to ones.

 

[shaz619]

What happened yesterday? This is what happened yesterday:

Emery walked down the corridors of one of the greatest stadiums in the world reflecting on his past and thinking that if he was he not a coward, he would still be managing Arsenal and going toe to toe with City and Liverpool for the title.

He must be looking at Arteta with envy, thinking that if he wasn’t a coward, he would be where Arteta is now. Fact is that Arteta’s failures tower above Emery’s success.

Finishing 2nd is a disappointment for Arteta but finishing 4th is an achievement for Emery.

Arteta got bent over by Unai again, I was just trying to understand why that happened, but the best justification is reaching a position where you now understand what Arsenal’s level is under Arteta, that’s having life and death with no.8 in the EPL table, what an absolute weapon

 

[Amjid Javed]

Bergkamp and havertz in same conversation.

 

[Rana]

Really disappointed with Arsenal bottling a 2 goal lead at home against Villa

That’s another season gone.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Saliba now injured, another player being over played.

If we had a good enough squad. He could have had some rested games.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta got bent over by Unai again, I was just trying to understand why that happened, but the best justification is reaching a position where you now understand what Arsenal’s level is under Arteta, that’s having life and death with no.8 in the EPL table, what an absolute weapon

Arteta bent Emery over when he replaced him at Arsenal and did the job that Emery was hired to do but was not good enough to do so.

Do you think Emery will find himself at a club where he can compete for the league? Probably not.

Unless that happens, no comparison between him and Arteta can be established as they are operating at different levels. Until then, please stay in your lane.

As I said, the failures of Arteta tower above the success of Emery. A failed season for Arteta is a successful season for Emery.

 

[Mamoon]

I think your IQ is lacking here.

What you say about Bergkamp is spot on. But Bergkamp infact in this Arsenal team would be the difference maker, because of his extraordinary quality on the ball which would create space for others.

This is where Havertz and others lack, they can't break the lines in one to ones.

Create space to do what? Miss more chances.

Bergkamp does not elevate this Arsenal team if he will be playing with the same attackers. This team lacks a killer in front of goal who can bang in 30 goals.

This is why the expectation from Havertz is unreasonable. You cannot change the profile of a player based on your needs.

 

[Mamoon]

Life gave Emery two opportunities to be part of a club where he can compete to win the league and the UCL.

He wasted both opportunities and now he finds himself at a club that pops champagne bottles for finishing 4th and takes pride in being a party pooper for clubs that are above them. How embarrassing. @shaz619

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Create space to do what? Miss more chances.

Bergkamp does not elevate this Arsenal team if he will be playing with the same attackers. This team lacks a killer in front of goal who can bang in 30 goals.

This is why the expectation from Havertz is unreasonable. You cannot change the profile of a player based on your needs.

Missing chances is part and parcel of the game.

But Bergkamp would not doubt lift the players around him because of his quality

 

[shaz619]

Arteta bent Emery over when he replaced him at Arsenal and did the job that Emery was hired to do but was not good enough to do so.

Do you think Emery will find himself at a club where he can compete for the league? Probably not.

Unless that happens, no comparison between him and Arteta can be established as they are operating at different levels. Until then, please stay in your lane.

As I said, the failures of Arteta tower above the success of Emery. A failed season for Arteta is a successful season for Emery.

Life gave Emery two opportunities to be part of a club where he can compete to win the league and the UCL.

He wasted both opportunities and now he finds himself at a club that pops champagne bottles for finishing 4th and takes pride in being a party pooper for clubs that are above them. How embarrassing. @shaz619

Managers get hired/fired all the time, Unai personally has bent Arteta over during their direct head to heads, that must be difficult to digest. Your lane is competing with bottom half of the EPL now and spewing nonsense arguments to cover up your poor performance.

Unai is a party pooper ? for what exactly ? celebrating being second best like no tomorrow and failing for god knows how long, sorry for that.

Arteta is lucky the owners are content with their club being positioned side ways each season, if you don’t win anything substantial under him there will be lasting damage at the club.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'd take a 55 year old Bergkamp over the current havertz.

Only clueless zero ball knowledge merchants would insult past Arsenal legends by comparing them to trash like havertz or ghosts like Odegaard

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Create space to do what? Miss more chances.

Bergkamp does not elevate this Arsenal team if he will be playing with the same attackers. This team lacks a killer in front of goal who can bang in 30 goals.

This is why the expectation from Havertz is unreasonable. You cannot change the profile of a player based on your needs.

That's absolutely wild because it suggests there isn't much between Bergkamp and Havertz

 

[Mamoon]

That's absolutely wild because it suggests there isn't much between Bergkamp and Havertz

Missing chances is part and parcel of the game.

But Bergkamp would not doubt lift the players around him because of his quality

As goal scorers, there isn’t. Bergkamp has had seasons where he scored less goals than defenders.

He was extremely goal shy, but his genius went beyond goals but to get the best out of players like him, you need to surround him with quality.

Bergkamp was effective because he was playing with Henry and Pires, not Jesus and Martinelli.

You put him in this Arsenal team and he himself would not score enough goals and average players like Martinelli and Jesus would also fail to take advantage of his genius.

System matters a lot more than individual quality. Imagine Wenger playing Bergkamp as the lone striker and goal outlet in the late 90’s and early 2000’s and then Arsenal fans complain that he is not scoring as many goals as Shearer and Owen.

This is what is happening with Havertz today. He has been given a task that is not his domain. Arteta needs to understand this - either sign goal scoring wide forwards or get a striker and drop Havertz.

Havertz is getting criticized for not doing something that he is not meant to do. It is like playing Haaland as a creative midfielder and then complaining that he is not creating chances.