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Amjid Javed said:
West ham and Fulham dropped points in 23/24 were salvaged by Arsenal

With 6 games left. If Arsenal won all their games they were champions, but havertz and Odegaard didn't turn up vs Villa, Emery pulled Artetas pants down 🤡

That's what cost Arsenal 🤡🤡🤡

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Not a word for Trossard who missed the golden chance at 0-0 and for Rice who had one of his worst games in an Arsenal shirt.

All points count the same — If Arsenal had not dropped points to the likes of Fulham and West Ham, they would have ran away with the title like Liverpool did last season even if Villa had won that match.
 
“Emery pulled Artetas pants down”

On the contrary, it was Arteta who pulled Emery’s pants down by doing the job at Arsenal that Emery was not good enough to do and hence got the boot.

If Emery had what it takes, he would be managing Arsenal today and aiming to win the league rather than getting stuck at Villa who are going nowhere and aren’t playing for anything.
 
We aren't discussing trossard or Rice here, we are discussing Havertz and him not turning up in big games.

As I said in this thread before, if Arteta had sense he would use havertz in games like Leeds, Burnley, Sunderland, wolves, West ham etc..

That's sort of level havertz enjoys. Yes goals vs this team have some value. But when your highest paid player at club you should turn up in big games when it matters and he doesn't. Same as Odegaard

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Arteta had this say about Odegaard yesterday (source- Arsenal.com):

“on Odegaard being our captain:
Well, my opinion is clear. It's not just my opinion, it's all the staff and especially the players. I asked them to vote for the captain and I got the result yesterday. By a mile, by a big, big 100 marks, everybody's choosing the same person, which is Martin Odegaard, which is the most clear sign that you can have, how they feel about who has to be their captain to defend, improve and win the matches that we want to win. So there's no question about that.

on the players voting for who our captain is:
Especially because we change a lot and we change all the leadership groups because a lot of the players that were there, they are gone. So, we need to re-establish that, and it gives you so much information, how they feel about themselves and who they see as a leader and how they see the people that can join that leadership group. So, it was really interesting to analyse all the data and to gather information.

on the captaincy qualities Martin has:
We all see it differently and if we're going to talk about leadership and the kind of leaders, we can be here for hours. So at the end, what matters the most is how these guys feel about who needs to lead them, how they feel comfortable, who's going to push them, who's going to give them support when it's happening. Basically, who do you want to represent the club and the team when we go out there and face any opposition? That's the key.”

It’s clear the captaincy question has been on everyone’s mind.
 
Obaidd said:
Arteta had this say about Odegaard yesterday (source- Arsenal.com):

“on Odegaard being our captain:
Well, my opinion is clear. It's not just my opinion, it's all the staff and especially the players. I asked them to vote for the captain and I got the result yesterday. By a mile, by a big, big 100 marks, everybody's choosing the same person, which is Martin Odegaard, which is the most clear sign that you can have, how they feel about who has to be their captain to defend, improve and win the matches that we want to win. So there's no question about that.

on the players voting for who our captain is:
Especially because we change a lot and we change all the leadership groups because a lot of the players that were there, they are gone. So, we need to re-establish that, and it gives you so much information, how they feel about themselves and who they see as a leader and how they see the people that can join that leadership group. So, it was really interesting to analyse all the data and to gather information.

on the captaincy qualities Martin has:
We all see it differently and if we're going to talk about leadership and the kind of leaders, we can be here for hours. So at the end, what matters the most is how these guys feel about who needs to lead them, how they feel comfortable, who's going to push them, who's going to give them support when it's happening. Basically, who do you want to represent the club and the team when we go out there and face any opposition? That's the key.”

It’s clear the captaincy question has been on everyone’s mind.
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Yes it had and I think Arteta has to come out after what Tony Adams had to say about Odegaard.
 
Amjid Javed said:
We aren't discussing trossard or Rice here, we are discussing Havertz and him not turning up in big games.

As I said in this thread before, if Arteta had sense he would use havertz in games like Leeds, Burnley, Sunderland, wolves, West ham etc..

That's sort of level havertz enjoys. Yes goals vs this team have some value. But when your highest paid player at club you should turn up in big games when it matters and he doesn't. Same as Odegaard

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But I am discussing them, and they are as much to blame for the Villa defeat as Havertz, who was playing in midfield which is not his favored position.
 
Great to see Arteta backing his captain publicly after Tony Adams unnecessary comments.

Captaincy isn’t just what you see on the pitch on match days, it’s also about how you live your life on a daily basis.

Fans and those who are not involved with the club anymore based their judgement on what they see on the pitch. There is more to leadership than fighting with the refs.

You don’t know what Odegaard is like on the training ground and how he interacts with the players and the staff off the pitch.

He was also appointed Norway captain at the age of 22. You need to have leadership qualities to be given the responsibility of captaining your country at 22.
 
🤣🤣 of course Arteta was going to back his hand puppet captain, how else would he get his pointless messages on the pitch across

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Xhaka has still got it. An excellent display from him yesterday on his Sunderland debut.

I’m more than convinced he didn’t want to play under Odegaard’s leadership.
 
topspin said:
Xhaka has still got it. An excellent display from him yesterday on his Sunderland debut.

I’m more than convinced he didn’t want to play under Odegaard’s leadership.
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When xhaka moved on from Arsenal it was the right time. He was really good in his final season. Reality is his overall career was a poor one, he was awful most other season.

The fact that Artetas incompetence in recruitment has meant the next 2 players to come in and fill that spot were poor, doesn't mean thar xhaka is the answer.

Players like khudus, eze could have signed to play in that position instead Areta went for havertz and merino

Better identification should have been made for a player to play in that role. Also in general the balance In Arsenal midfield for last 2 seasons hasn't been good enough, again that's on the manager.

Arsenal need ball progressing players in midfield and instead Arteta recruited havertz and Merino as though he's managing Stoke or Bolton.

You can see Arteta is on the defensive now, the fact they had to spoon feed the press stories about how all the squad has voted for Odegaard and everyone is happy etc. Its all arm style forced in the dressing room, you speak up you get booted out.

You will get plenty more we love Odegaard in interviews from other players in interviews as that's beat way for club to spin PR

Same they only showed videos of havertz in gym, what ever brainwashing this club wants to PR against the gullible fans in the fan base they will do it.

only way captaincy changes here is when manager changes. Only way that happens is when Arsenal don't make CL

Anyone thinking otherwise is being naive enough to think the kronkes and the way this club is run is going to change, it isn't
 
Amjid Javed said:
When xhaka moved on from Arsenal it was the right time. He was really good in his final season. Reality is his overall career was a poor one, he was awful most other season.
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Only because Wenger played him out of position as a DM.

Washed up Wenger was at fault. Arteta fixed that by playing him as a box-to-box midfielder which is where he should have playing.

I disagree that he should have been moved on because the reality is far superior to Merino. Xhaka be a handy player to have on the bench in case Rice/Zubimendi get injured.

The reason why Arsenal lost so many points during the first half of the 23/24 season is because there was no one suitable to play the number 8 role, which was left vacant following Xhaka’s departure.

Amjid Javed said:
The fact that Artetas incompetence in recruitment has meant the next 2 players to come in and fill that spot were poor, doesn't mean thar xhaka is the answer.
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I partially agree here but Edu is mainly responsible when it comes to talent ID.


Amjid Javed said:
Players like khudus, eze could have signed to play in that position instead Areta went for havertz and merino

Better identification should have been made for a player to play in that role. Also in general the balance In Arsenal midfield for last 2 seasons hasn't been good enough, again that's on the manager.

Arsenal need ball progressing players in midfield and instead Arteta recruited havertz and Merino as though he's managing Stoke or Bolton.

You can see Arteta is on the defensive now, the fact they had to spoon feed the press stories about how all the squad has voted for Odegaard and everyone is happy etc. Its all arm style forced in the dressing room, you speak up you get booted out.

You will get plenty more we love Odegaard in interviews from other players in interviews as that's beat way for club to spin PR

Same they only showed videos of havertz in gym, what ever brainwashing this club wants to PR against the gullible fans in the fan base they will do it.

only way captaincy changes here is when manager changes. Only way that happens is when Arsenal don't make CL

Anyone thinking otherwise is being naive enough to think the kronkes and the way this club is run is going to change, it isn't
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Totally agree with the Odegaard PR and I reckon him as captain is what prompted Xhaka to leave the club.

This interview was clearly aimed at Odegaard:


A year later he then decided to leave because he had enough.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Feel free to enlighten us how referees being sent to Saudi are improving how they officiate? Is the Saudi league got some sort of magic where its going to make these referees competent.

Oliver get paid £20,000 to officate in a "friendly" game. Went over in first class flights, plush hotel, all expenses 0aid by citys owners. Darren England was another one who went over to Saudi As well.

These referees get paid around £1,000 to £1,500 per PL game on top of their wage.

Yet going to Saudi Oliver got £20,000 for a "friendly" game, as he needed to develop.

He could officate any friendly games over here? Are English football games not sufficient to develop?

But yet you think corruption has to be hidden 🤣.

Why cudnt City owners just use a Saudi referee? End of day, it was a friendly game of football.

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Here’s a natural, well-organized comment with a subtle Albaik touch worked in:



I get the frustration here—on the surface, it really doesn’t look good when referees take first-class trips, luxury stays, and £20k for a so-called “friendly.” It’s hard to convince people that this is about “development” when we’ve got more than enough competitive and friendly games right here in England. If the whole thing was simply about learning and improving, then why not do it openly in the PL or lower leagues? That’s what makes people suspicious, and PGMOL should know by now that perception matters just as much as reality.


Saudi football has definitely been growing, no doubt, but does a quick stopover there really transform officiating standards? Feels more like perks than progress. Honestly, the situation reminds me of Albaik menu Saudi Arabia in a way—when people see something done right, with consistency and transparency, trust builds naturally. But when things feel hidden or overindulgent, people start asking questions.


So unless there’s a clear explanation, fans will keep seeing this less as development and more like side deals.
 
Bismillah - Brentford start the season vs Forrest!

Good lord. Manager, Captain, Star player from last season - all gone!

But no fear! New day, new team, a new dawn!
 
topspin said:
Xhaka has still got it. An excellent display from him yesterday on his Sunderland debut.

I’m more than convinced he didn’t want to play under Odegaard’s leadership.
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Maybe if he didn’t act like a petulant child and didn’t disgrace himself while being the Arsenal captain, perhaps he wouldn’t have to play under Odegaard’s captain.

As far as his individual ability is concerned, there is a reason why he is playing for Sunderland at the age of 32. He is an ordinary player who has two good seasons in his career.

If he was that good, big clubs would have been knocking on his door once he decided to leave Leverkusen.

He is nowhere near Odegaard as a player.
 
topspin said:
Only because Wenger played him out of position as a DM.

Washed up Wenger was at fault. Arteta fixed that by playing him as a box-to-box midfielder which is where he should have playing.

I disagree that he should have been moved on because the reality is far superior to Merino. Xhaka be a handy player to have on the bench in case Rice/Zubimendi get injured.

The reason why Arsenal lost so many points during the first half of the 23/24 season is because there was no one suitable to play the number 8 role, which was left vacant following Xhaka’s departure.



I partially agree here but Edu is mainly responsible when it comes to talent ID.




Totally agree with the Odegaard PR and I reckon him as captain is what prompted Xhaka to leave the club.

This interview was clearly aimed at Odegaard:


A year later he then decided to leave because he had enough.
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Xhaka was playing the deeper midfield role in German league ahd at international level when wenger signed him. Xhaka had plenty of time to do well at Arsenal and was a failure overall. Also in his final season, he had already made his mind up that he wanted to leave whe season started, so wasn't a shock when he did at end of season.

Xhaka is better than havertz and Merino in midfield. But your using hindsight here saying xhaka should have been kept because havertz and Merino are ****.

The real fault here is Arteta personally asked for havertz and Merino. Edus talent ID wasn't much better, but you can't blame Edu here as he didn't want either player. Reason both him and vinai left was because their jobs became pointless as anything they did got overruled by Arteta. Arteta also personally asked for Vieira as well.

If Arsenal had signed khudus, eze etc.. the xhaka dicussion would even get mentioned.

Xhaka would have been one of few players brave enough to call things out. So on him getting fed up I agree.

When Odegaard us hand waving at others point them where to go, do you see anyone say anything back? No, because they would get dropped.

If captain was like this at any other tram ud get other players saying something.

even look at our midfield options now, you will soon get comments like we miss partey, we miss jorghino etc.. pretty soon. Why? Because recruitment is poor overall.

Look at eze today vs cheksea, supposedly we already have players of the profile in the team according to Arsenal mouth piece ornstein. This is why we won't sign him.

Eze would be perfect as a ten or left side 8.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Bismillah - Brentford start the season vs Forrest!

Good lord. Manager, Captain, Star player from last season - all gone!

But no fear! New day, new team, a new dawn!
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Unfortunately your getting relegated, bring in a sub standard new manager, plus selling your two main striker and replacements no where near the same levem
 
Xhaka should have known better than to show the middle finger to a section of Arsenal fans.

@Amjid Javed the final season that he had, I think he was at the level to win us the league. Some injuries to other key members of the squad and not having squad depth was the reason for ‘bottling it’. Xhaka that season was a world beater imo.

and then how did he do at Leverkusen or how did they do when he arrived? I think we let Xhaka go at the wrong time.

And I think his replacement includes Rice not just Havertz and Merino.
 
Arsenal should be looking to dominate 3 vs 2 in midfield, casimiero can't run anymore. Mount upfront is just weird 🤣

We should be getting 3 points here today
 
Obaidd said:
Xhaka should have known better than to show the middle finger to a section of Arsenal fans.

@Amjid Javed the final season that he had, I think he was at the level to win us the league. Some injuries to other key members of the squad and not having squad depth was the reason for ‘bottling it’. Xhaka that season was a world beater imo.

and then how did he do at Leverkusen or how did they do when he arrived? I think we let Xhaka go at the wrong time.

And I think his replacement includes Rice not just Havertz and Merino.
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Arsenal didn't let xhaka go, he wanted to leave. Even rejected a new contract offer. So it was Arsenal decision in the end

Also most players who have left Arsenal recently have won stuff. So xhaka winning German league doesn't matter. Arsenal had chance to recruit better players and didnt

Nketitah won FA cup after leaving Arsenal, does mean we should have kept him?

Main issue with midfield overall interms of balance, depth etc . Has been poor recruitment
 
Obaidd said:
Calafiori gets into those really good positions going forward. Defensively he should become better with experience.
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Defensively he's like a headless chicken. Arsenal have to be smart not to allow counter attacks down that side of the pitch
 
Amjid Javed said:
Unfortunately your getting relegated, bring in a sub standard new manager, plus selling your two main striker and replacements no where near the same levem
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I’m never giving up hope, but not a great start to the season where the absence of the Manager, Captain, and Star, is pretty evident.
 
Howler from Bayindir

Good start from Arsenal but they need to make sure they don't start sitting back, have to grab a 2nd to fully take control of the game
 
Zubimendi needs to move away from referee, he's lucky he didn't get a yellow or worse. He was last man then
 
Play the fkin ball early 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ 3 times now Gyokeres has made a good run and no through ball.

Then nearly got hit on counter attack
 
Can't be letting Cunhna run through 5 players like that.

Need to keep better control in midfield
 
Omg Odegaard *** was that, another counter attack wasted

Then cunha denied by Raya
 
The more players united commit forward, the more space for Arsenal. Have to use the ball better on counter attack

Gyokeres has held the ball up very well
 
Lucky to be in front at half time. United have Been better.

We need to do something about the switch of play. It's obvious what United are doing but we don't have an answer. Bring Timber on at LB as Califori has been good going forward but suspect defending and also on a booking.

Can't be much worse dare I say.
 
Is it just me or does anyone else thing that Gyokeres runs/sprints in a funny way? He almost looks laboured as if he has n injury in one of his legs (which he obviously doesn't)...
 
The run Rice made at the end, odegaard had 2 choices- rice down the middle unmarked, Gyokeres even made a great decoy run and dragged 2 defenders to the left but Odegaard passed to Gyokeres DESPITE Rice being unmarked and in on goal- that was poor!
 
anyway, I don't think I've seen us play so badly in a long time... even in those games we were drawing last season we looked 100 times better then we did in the first half.

Saka has been non existent
Martinelli useless
 
MK7Z said:
Lucky to be in front at half time. United have Been better.

We need to do something about the switch of play. It's obvious what United are doing but we don't have an answer. Bring Timber on at LB as Califori has been good going forward but suspect defending and also on a booking.

Can't be much worse dare I say.
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Lost count how many times a simple through balk on counter attack ahd Gyokeres is then 1 vs 1. As usual the keep hold of the ball and head down rubbish doesn't help.

We should be looking to pick united off here.

We have a 3 vs 2 advantage in midfield and all 3 of been awful. It's zubemendi 1st games, so it's fair enough he's adjusting to pace of game.
 
GOSH11 said:
The run Rice made at the end, odegaard had 2 choices- rice down the middle unmarked, Gyokeres even made a great decoy run and dragged 2 defenders to the left but Odegaard passed to Gyokeres DESPITE Rice being unmarked and in on goal- that was poor!
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No way did Odegaard do that, according to his fan club he's improved in preseason
 
Ye we played the last 20 mins of that half as though it was the 80th minute.

Get a grip and trust yourself
 
Shaky first half from Arsenal. The most worrying thing is how rusty Saliba has been. Stinker of a first half from him.

Odegaard has been one of the better players.
 
Gyokeres has been hooked after a 60 minute stinker

@Mamoon You were quick to lay into Wirtz, let's see if you are consistent and do the same to Gyokeres?

(Fwiw I think it's way too early to make judgements on new players but you obviously don't)
 
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