Arsenal manager - Is Mikel Arteta the right choice?

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Crystal Palace mocked Mikel Arteta’s tactics at half-time of their 2-0 defeat to Arsenal by playing ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone’ during a youth penalty shootout.

Upon release of Arsenal’s All or Nothing documentary on Amazon, a clip of Arteta’s preparation for a top-flight match against Liverpool went viral.

The Spaniard played Reds anthem ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone’ to his players during training, in an attempt to prepare them for the Anfield atmosphere.

Many were quick to ridicule Arteta, given the Gunners lost the game 4-0, while others thought it was a good example of innovative coaching.

The Eagles stadium announcer certainly saw the funny side as Palace lost to Arsenal in the opening match of the 2022/23 campaign.

Arteta’s side raced into a one-goal lead before the break and doubled their lead with five minutes remaining.

But the Palace DJ attempted to get one over on the Gunners during an innocent half-time activity.

“At half-time, kids from both clubs were taking penalties away to our left,” talkSPORT’s Sam Matterface said on commentary.

“When the Arsenal kid stepped up to take a penalty, the PA announcer stopped and said, ‘Hold on – let’s play something to help you deal with the pressure.

“At that point, the PA played ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone’. A little bit of a nod to the Arteta tactics during the All Or Nothing documentary.”

Earlier this week, Arsenal legend Ray Parlour was unable to defend Arteta for the tactic.

“That’s hilarious isn’t it, really,” Parlour told talkSPORT Breakfast.

“I’m amazed he did that, if I’m being honest. If that was me on the training pitch, I would have started laughing. We would have been mucking about.

“You go with it, that’s what the program is all about, it goes behind the scenes and it’s great for the fans, but that was bizarre.

“And it didn’t work did it – they lost 4-0!

“If Arsene Wenger did that in our training sessions, I don’t know what the reaction would be. Everybody would be laughing.”

https://talksport.com/football/1164...nal-mikel-arteta-all-or-nothing-documaentary/

 

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Arsenal midfielder Granit Xhaka says he was not planning to "wear the shirt any more" before a meeting with Mikel Arteta persuaded him to stay at the club.

In October 2019, Xhaka was substituted by then-Gunners boss Unai Emery during a match against Crystal Palace to jeers from his own fans.

He was Arsenal captain then and reacted angrily to noise from the crowd by waving and cupping his ear sarcastically, exchanging words before taking off his shirt and going straight down the tunnel.

Speaking to BBC Sport about the Arsenal documentary - All or Nothing, which followed the club last season - Xhaka said he had made up his mind to leave.

"He (Arteta) is the reason why I'm still at this football club," added the 29-year-old. "All of the club knows why I am still here, because three years ago I was gone.

"My suitcases were packed and finished, but I had a meeting with Mikel when he came. He wanted to hear my opinion about what had happened and I explained to him.

"I remember it exactly. I told him, 'It has nothing to do with you', because I didn't know him and I never played with him. Obviously I knew his name, but not the person and I said, 'I'm gone, I can't wear the shirt any more'.

"He said, 'Give me a chance for six months and if you are still not happy after six months, I'm the guy who will help you, not to run away, but you can leave'.

"I didn't speak with family, with nobody, and normally I don't do that. But I said, 'OK Mikel, I will stay for you', and I'm still here."

Xhaka is now a part of an exciting group of players at Arsenal and started their first game of the season in the 2-0 win over, coincidentally, Crystal Palace.

The Switzerland international is now one of the senior players in the squad and also one of the longest serving, having joined from Borussia Monchengladbach in 2016.

"With Rob Holding and Hector [Bellerin], I think I'm the only guy here from six or seven years ago, everyone else is new here," added Xhaka.

"On one side, that makes me very proud. On the other side, you have to know the other players as well.

"We are building something very special here, with the project with Mikel.

"It's a shame I only have two years more on my contract. Let's see what happens after two years, but I am seeing a big, big future for this club."

When asked if he had changed since that day against Palace three years ago, he said: "A better person? I don't know, as I think I was always a good person, but... different.

"Different because a lot of people ask me, 'was last season the best, Granit, since you are here?'

"But I never had problems at this club, not with team-mates, not with people in the building, it was only this moment with the Palace game.

"Everything else was fine with the club. But people only see the moment and they were disappointed and they forgot the other five years.

"But this is part of the business. People don't see the rest, they see only the moment, and they give you a number whether good or bad."

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The final episodes of All or Nothing: Arsenal take us inside the dressing room as the Gunners concede fourth place to their most fierce rivals, Tottenham Hotspur.

Episodes seven and eight, which are released on Amazon Prime on Thursday 18 August, document the tail-end of Arsenal's 2021-22 season.

We know how that campaign ended - two losses in Arsenal's last three matches allowed Spurs to steal fourth spot and confined the Gunners to sixth successive season without Champions League football. It's fascinating to go behind the scenes as all this drama unfolds.

Here are just a few takeaways from the final episodes.

There are a few good rants from Mikel Arteta in the final two episodes.

After back-to-back losses, against Crystal Palace and Brighton, the 40-year-old Spaniard tells his players, "it has to be a funeral".

At half-time against West Ham, with the game tied 1-1, Arteta screams "do you want to play in the Champions League?" in Nuno Tavares' face.

It is after the Newcastle loss, however, a result that leaves Arsenal two points behind rivals Tottenham, that Arteta really blows.

"Shut your mouth and eat it," he tells his players.

"Today is unacceptable. Don't worry, I will face the people. Today is hard to defend you guys. Hard."

As in previous episodes, we also get a good look at some of the more creative ways in which Arteta tries to inspire his team.

Before a match against Brighton, he brings a prop into the dressing room.

"[Thomas] Edison invented the light bulb," Arteta explains, holding one aloft.

"I want to see a team that is connected, because, without connection, a bulb is nothing. I want to see a team that is connected to each other and that shines. When we are connected, we connect with 60,000 fans and create more energy. Heat creates light and life."

Unfortunately, his methods aren't enough on this occasion to prevent Arsenal going on to get beaten 2-1.

Lacazette and Soares - seen here in a friendlier moment - have to be pulled apart in episode eight.
One explosive scene involves a training ground bust-up between striker Alexandre Lacazette and defender Cedric Soares in episode eight.

Soares appears to say something to upset the Frenchman, after 31-year-old Lacazette makes a poor challenge on 18-year-old Jack Henry-Francis.

We don't get to hear what it is that Soares says, but it's enough to provoke Lacazette to grab the 30-year-old Portuguese player by the face. The pair have to be separated.

Afterwards, Lacazette plays it down by saying, "this is normal in football, if you have players who want to win," explaining that he apologised to Soares afterwards.

"It's just passion to win," says Lacazette.

Centre-forward Eddie Nketiah struggled to get minutes on the pitch during the first half of last season.

In episode seven, the 23-year-old bemoans his lack of opportunities.

"I can't remember any time I've actually had three games in a row, to play. How can you judge someone? If I'm starting one game, coming off after 57minutes, what are you supposed to do? As a player, you want an opportunity of five, six games in a row."

When he scored two against Chelsea in April, Nketiah began to cement his place in the squad.

Arsenal legend Ian Wright speaks about the weight of expectations on the young man, particularly following the departure of star striker, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang.

"Eddie's 23 now and it's on his shoulders to shoot Arsenal back into the Champions League. It's a lot of pressure. He's going to need help."

Nketiah finished the campaign with 10 goals and one assist in 28 appearances across all competitions.

Rob Holding is another fringe player who had limited chances last season. It was unfortunate for him that, during one of his big starting opportunities - the season-defining North London derby - he was sent off for a foul on Son Heung-min.

However, we get the impression that that was quite out of character for the 26-year-old defender.

The film team ask at one point in episode eight why he's so happy.

In reply, he says: "I get that all the time. If you get paid to play football all day, why are you not happy?"

He also seems content to wait his turn for opportunities.

"A lot of the time, there seems to be a protocol, as soon as we're 2-0 or 2-1, closing into the 80th minute or whatever, sub me on to help see it out," Holding explains.

"If that's my role for this year, to help the team that way, then so be it," he says, smiling.

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[Amjid Javed]

Manager needs to get Top 4 and Also have competitive cup runs, otherwise needs to go at end of season.

 

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Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta to Sky Sports: "Still far [from perfect]. We had some strong periods. In the second half we conceded too many chances for Bournemouth. I'm proud, it's not easy to come here and win 3-0 but there are still things to prove.

"We started the game really well. We were dominant, precise. The two goals gave us a lot of confidence. Jesus was involved in the goals. His contribution to the team was outstanding.

"He can still improve his level. He’s got a huge desire to be the best.

"Winning makes life completely different. The atmosphere is good. The unity is incredible. Saliba, [the goal was the] last thing I’d expect.

"In life difficult experiences make you stronger and make you learn more than good moments. That moment was painful and we don’t want to go through that again.

"We will try to the end [to sign more players]. The transfer market is tricky. We’d like to do something else. Let’s see what we can do."

 

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Will Mikel Arteta mark his 100th Premier League game in charge of Arsenal by keeping the Gunners on top of the table?

Arsenal start today with a two-point cushion at the summit after a 100% winning start to the campaign.

Arteta, appointed in December 2019, is the 14th different manager to reach 100 league games in charge of the Gunners.

Only two of the previous 13 have lost their milestone game (Herbert Chapman in 1927, George Swindin in 1960), with the most recent two managers to do so both winning (George Graham in 1988, Arsene Wenger in 1999).

 

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Things could not be any better for Arsenal at the moment after their comeback win over Fulham ensured they won their first four Premier League games of the season for just the third time.

It's a stat with good vibes for the Gunners: in 2003-04 they went on to win the title and in 2004-05 they finished runners-up.

Talk of winning the title at this early stage is a stretch - Mikel Arteta said himself they were in for a "long, long marathon" - but Arsenal have shown plenty in the opening weeks to give fans optimism.

Their trajectory looks on course for Champions League qualification, which would be a big step forward under Arteta, who has already overseen change at the club during his three-year reign.

The 2-1 win against Fulham marked his 100th Premier League game in charge of the club and the contrast between his first 50 and the second is remarkable.

So what has changed at Arsenal under the Spaniard?

The past two times Arsenal won their opening four games in the Premier League they finished the season in the top two
The most tangible difference is a shift in mentality of his players.

England forward Bukayo Saka was buoyant after the latest victory, saying: "We're all so hungry to win each game. We're going to continue like this for the whole season."

Former Arsenal striker Alan Smith said there was a "belief" that had built gradually.

"It hasn't been the most difficult start but it has been faultless. Now they look to the harder challenges and go into that with real confidence. It was a learning curve last season but now it bodes really well for a really good season."

That belief was displayed in the Fulham victory, as Arsenal were tested by the newly promoted side and forced to come from behind after a mistake from defender Gabriel allowed Aleksandar Mitrovic to score the opener.

When the Brazil defender wandered back into position for kick-off, with his hands on his hips after pulling his shirt over his head, there was a danger Gabriel would allow his mistake to consume him.

Instead, captain Martin Odegaard's persistence, along with a bit of luck, led to a swift equaliser and Arsenal reacted strongly to gather momentum.

Gabriel redeemed himself with the 85th-minute winner, making sure he was first to the ball in a scramble from close range to give Arsenal all three points for the fourth game in a row.

There was an outpouring of celebration from the stands at a raucous Emirates Stadium, while injured Oleksandr Zinchenko leapt into Gabriel's arms in a display of the growing togetherness at Arsenal.

"After I lost the ball my head was down, but my brothers kept saying 'let's go'. I lifted my head up - my team-mates were a big help to me," Gabriel said afterwards.

Odegaard added: "He showed great character to come back and score the winning goal. It shows the character of the team. When someone makes a mistake, we lift them back up."

Former England and Arsenal midfielder Karen Carney said Arteta wanted to get the right culture and Saturday's win showed they are "building something".

"What character. It looked like being one of those days. It was not a great game but they got it done and we haven't seen that from an Arsenal side for a long time," she added.

And what about the effect on supporters and their confidence in the team?

"It is a big boost, winning like this is really nice. We made a mistake and they punished us but then how we reacted against adversity, the connection with the supporters, the way we went about it, the team believed," said Arteta.

"They wanted to win the match, they went for it and we managed to do it. Gabriel has shifted his life, the way he looks after himself. He has enough physically and mentally to overcome those situations and I'm so happy for him."

Smith added: "Optimism is overflowing. It's a really exciting young team. The noise levels [at Emirates]... I haven't heard it like for that 10 years.

"I think Arsenal are a better team than last season and top four will be their aim. All good teams are measured on being in the Champions League."

Arteta picked up 75 points in his first 50 games in charge (W21 D12 L17).
He picked up 100 points in his second 50 games in charge (W32 D4 L14).
Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp won just one more game during his first 100 games than Arteta has with Arsenal.
Arteta has won the same amount of games with Arsenal as Ole Gunnar Solksjaer did in his first 100 with Manchester United, while the Spaniard has won one more than Mauricio Pochettino did with Tottenham en route to the same milestone.
In his past 50 games, Arteta has won more than all of those three opposition managers during the same timeframe and earned just two points fewer than Solksjaer's Manchester United.
To put it in perspective, the 32 games won by Arteta in his 51st-100th game in charge is just two fewer than Pep Guardiola did with Manchester City in his first half century of games at the club.

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Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta is the Barclays Premier League Manager of the Month for August!

 

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GOALS Mikel Arteta calms down Arsenal Premier League title talk after ‘phenomenal’ north London derby victory over Tottenham, as Aaron Ramsdale says top-four is ‘minimum requirement’

Mikel Arteta has attempted to pour cold water on talk of Arsenal challenging for the Premier League title this season after his side’s statement win over Tottenham.

The Gunners maintained their flying form as they swarmed their poor rivals and ran out 3-1 winners in a pulsating north London derby at the Emirates Stadium.

The victory means Arsenal will keep their seat at the top of the table for another week, even if second place Man City beat Manchester United in the Manchester derby on Sunday.

It was a huge game for Arteta’s young side, and one that shows they can cope with the pressures of playing against the league’s top clubs and their biggest rivals.

That has been the constant question hanging over this Gunners team, especially after they fell to a 3-1 defeat to United in their first real test of the campaign a few weeks ago.

But they followed that up by bouncing back in a 3-0 win over Brentford and now what was one of the most one-sided north London derbies in recent times.

Arteta was delighted with his team’s performance and mental resilience, especially after Harry Kane’s penalty made it 1-1, only for goals from Gabriel Jesus and Granit Xhaka to seal a big win following Thomas Partey’s wonderstike opener.

But he didn’t go so far as to back his side for a title tilt, insisting they still have plenty to improve before that declaration comes.

Asked how close Arsenal are to being title contenders again, Arteta told talkSPORT: “I don’t know and I cannot answer that question.

“We are now at the top of the table and we’re really happy to be there, we want to continue to be there and just focus.

“It’s a really hungry and humble team and we know we still have so many things to improve to get to a level that is required to actually do something very impressive in this league.”

Jesus was named talkSPORT’s Man of the Match after another scintillating individual display from the Brazilian, who gave his national team manager some food for thought after being dropped from their recent squad.

And while Arteta hailed the summer signing’s impact, he made it clear it was the complete team performance that won the game against Spurs.

“I wouldn’t like to highlight any individual,” said the Spaniard.

“Obviously Gabi [Jesus] brought something different to the club, to the team, certain qualities and experiences that he’s been through that are so helpful and you can see that., but for me the powerful thing is how we connect with each other.

“I’m very happy, especially with the manner and the way we connected straight away with the game, with our crowd and the energy we generated, it was phenomenal.

“We demanded to play in a certain way, and that’s obviously different to what they [Tottenham], but I think there were two really good sides out there trying to do their own thing, and we are really happy we won the game.”

talkSPORT also caught up with goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale after full-time, and he said Saturday’s triumph topped last season’s home victory over Spurs, which was also a 3-1 win thanks to goals from Emile Smith Rowe, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang and Bukayo Saka.

“It’s special,” said the Gunners No.1. “It tops last year’s home game, definitely.

“It’s that winning mentality, never say die attitude that we’ve got in the squad at the minute, that fire burning inside that no matter if they score, we know we’ve got the quality to hurt them.

“The signings we brought in are winners, even William Saliba coming in, a France international, U21 player of the year, so we have it in the group.”

Like his boss, Ramsdale also said Arsenal aren’t thinking about the title, and said their main focus is to avoid more top-four heartbreak after being pipped to the post by Spurs late on last season.

Asked if a top-four spot is the minimum expectation for this Arsenal team this term, Ramsdale replied: “Yeah it has to be.

“That was the minimum for us at the start of the season, it’s the same now and it will be the same after 20 and 30 games.

“What happened to us at the end of last season, we don’t want to go through that again.”

https://talksport.com/football/1208...ndon-derby-tottenham-aaron-ramsdale-top-four/

 

[James]

Arsenal for me look like they might be able to challenge Manchester City. Really good chance of top two — at least.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal for me look like they might be able to challenge Manchester City. Really good chance of top two — at least.

I Dont think anyone will challenge city, they will league by about 15 points.

Top 4 and competitive cup runs are minimum for Arsenal this season.

 

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Utterly embarrassing posts in this thread by people who don’t know the first thing about football.

Arteta is fantastic and Arsenal are incredibly lucky to have him.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Utterly embarrassing posts in this thread by people who don’t know the first thing about football.

Arteta is fantastic and Arsenal are incredibly lucky to have him.

only Embarrassing posts here are yours and your over hyping of a manager who has spent nearly 400M at club and as of yet hasnt even managed to make top 4. lets see how season ends before you get the light bulbs out and start doing bhangra.

 

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He's not too dissimilar to Pep. Vast resource's, huge purchases and complete backing.

He's benefitting from a healthy fixture list. Europa will bite eventually and the cycle will continue

 

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only Embarrassing posts here are yours and your over hyping of a manager who has spent nearly 400M at club and as of yet hasnt even managed to make top 4. lets see how season ends before you get the light bulbs out and start doing bhangra.

And you were wrong about Nketiah! Appreciate Arteta and Arsenal FC please.

 

[Amjid Javed]

And you were wrong about Nketiah! Appreciate Arteta and Arsenal FC please.

How am i wrong? hes been bench all season. hes improved a little!

What has Arteta proved so far in the league? nothing yet! At end of season he will have completed 3.5 years at the club, if uve only just made CL in that time its not exactly something you call great. Since whens the clubs standards been that low.

People getting carried away make stupid comparisions vs wenger, klopp, George graham etc.. its embarrassing.

Top 4 with amount of money spent and being 3.5 years in charge is the bare minimum the club should be looking at. Dont forget this so called great manager bottled top 4 and team wasnt in europe last season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

He's not too dissimilar to Pep. Vast resource's, huge purchases and complete backing.

He's benefitting from a healthy fixture list. Europa will bite eventually and the cycle will continue

Pep proved himself with Barca B team and every where else hes managed when in charge of full Teams.

Arteta hasnt even made top 4 with Arsenal. last season club bottled top 4 and has had embarrassing cup exits in every competition hes managed in apart from the 1st seasons FA cup.

 

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How am i wrong? hes been bench all season. hes improved a little!

What has Arteta proved so far in the league? nothing yet! At end of season he will have completed 3.5 years at the club, if uve only just made CL in that time its not exactly something you call great. Since whens the clubs standards been that low.

People getting carried away make stupid comparisions vs wenger, klopp, George graham etc.. its embarrassing.

Top 4 with amount of money spent and being 3.5 years in charge is the bare minimum the club should be looking at. Dont forget this so called great manager bottled top 4 and team wasnt in europe last season.

Nketiah came off the bench in that game earlier in the season where he changed the complexion of the game.

With so few minutes (as Jesus is so good) he's done very well. Remember he's 23 as well. If he doesn't make it to the top at Arsenal, I wouldn't be surprised if he does elsewhere (possibly Chelsea).

Forget about previous seasons please. We haven't seen an Arsenal team this good since 2006.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nketiah came off the bench in that game earlier in the season where he changed the complexion of the game.

With so few minutes (as Jesus is so good) he's done very well. Remember he's 23 as well. If he doesn't make it to the top at Arsenal, I wouldn't be surprised if he does elsewhere (possibly Chelsea).

Forget about previous seasons please. We haven't seen an Arsenal team this good since 2006.

) so after 8 games we havent seen a team this good since 2006?

shows how little football you have watched in 16 years if your making judgement after 8 games. The 2007-08 side was a brilliant side and would have won the league had eduardo not had his leg broken. The following season club made CL semi with a younger team then now. Your doing bhangra on a team that hasnt even made top 4. The 2015-16 squad was pretty good and just lacked a world class striker.

Stop embarrassing yourself with such stupid comparisons (yes stats wise its a good start but club has achieved nothing yet) . The season is 8 games old not 38.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nketiah came off the bench in that game earlier in the season where he changed the complexion of the game.

With so few minutes (as Jesus is so good) he's done very well. Remember he's 23 as well. If he doesn't make it to the top at Arsenal, I wouldn't be surprised if he does elsewhere (possibly Chelsea).

Forget about previous seasons please. We haven't seen an Arsenal team this good since 2006.

The 2007-08 team won 8 out of its 1st 9 games seen as though you have a fascination with stats, it lost just 1 league game between August 07 and March 08. Was 5 points clear in league with 12 games to go when eduardo has his leg broken.

The two 2-1 defeats (united and chelsea away) ultimately lost the team the league. 3 league defeats all season. Back then Arsenal, liverpool, united and Chelsea looked good enough to win CL. Arsenal arent even in CL now.

Arteta 13 defeats in last 2 seasons running.

But according to you this current side is best since 2006 )

Teams not even in the CL and you and mamoon are doing bhangra. Mamoon slates pakistan fans for celebrating mediocrity, yet your doing same with current Arsenal side.

This is a football thread not comedy, you both should become a comedy Duo.

 

[Amjid Javed]

To add to my last two posts in 07/08 and 09/10 we had a prime cesc febregas in midfield, we dont even need to look at stats. Any real Arsenal fan knows how good he was in PL and in CL back then. The guy dominated a world class Ac milan midfield in san siro. yet some fans on here getting over excited by certain players getting man of match away to bournemouth. Current team is best since 2006 ) have a day off.

 

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) so after 8 games we havent seen a team this good since 2006?

shows how little football you have watched in 16 years if your making judgement after 8 games. The 2007-08 side was a brilliant side and would have won the league had eduardo not had his leg broken. The following season club made CL semi with a younger team then now. Your doing bhangra on a team that hasnt even made top 4. The 2015-16 squad was pretty good and just lacked a world class striker.

Stop embarrassing yourself with such stupid comparisons (yes stats wise its a good start but club has achieved nothing yet) . The season is 8 games old not 38.

Actually I've been supporting Arsenal since 2000.

The 07/08 and 08/09 sides bottled it when it mattered the most because of Wenger's choking mentality. Our team is better than the one we had last season. We've upgraded with Jesus (over Laca who was so bad), Zinchenko and Saliba. Martinelli, Xhaka and Odegaard have imporved immensely. So stop bringing up the past few seasons.

 

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The 2007-08 team won 8 out of its 1st 9 games seen as though you have a fascination with stats, it lost just 1 league game between August 07 and March 08. Was 5 points clear in league with 12 games to go when eduardo has his leg broken.

The two 2-1 defeats (united and chelsea away) ultimately lost the team the league. 3 league defeats all season. Back then Arsenal, liverpool, united and Chelsea looked good enough to win CL. Arsenal arent even in CL now.

Arteta 13 defeats in last 2 seasons running.

But according to you this current side is best since 2006 )

Teams not even in the CL and you and mamoon are doing bhangra. Mamoon slates pakistan fans for celebrating mediocrity, yet your doing same with current Arsenal side.

This is a football thread not comedy, you both should become a comedy Duo.

This is a coping mechanism after the humbling Arteta has given you.

07/08 side was overrated and the calibre of the competition wasn't the same.

We now have City with Haaland. In case you hadn't noticed!

Honestly with fans like you, I would pay to drive you down to Spuds so you can watch them play instead.

 

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[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] would take Misbah over Arteta. That's how much he hates the latter. Shameful stuff really.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Actually I've been supporting Arsenal since 2000.

The 07/08 and 08/09 sides bottled it when it mattered the most because of Wenger's choking mentality. Our team is better than the one we had last season. We've upgraded with Jesus (over Laca who was so bad), Zinchenko and Saliba. Martinelli, Xhaka and Odegaard have imporved immensely. So stop bringing up the past few seasons.

another comedy post, you call wengers team bottlers, so what did Arteta do last season? What a contradiction

This team has proved nothing!

Had it finished top 4? No
Has it been in a title race? No
Is it in the CL? No

xhaka finally has a few good gamea after 6 years.

oddegaard is no where near the level Cesc was in 07/08 or 09/10

Yet your making judgement after 8 games, shows how clueless you are. You clearly havent been supporting Arsenal since 2000 as your posts are based on zero facts, just your clueless opinion.

 

[Amjid Javed]

This is a coping mechanism after the humbling Arteta has given you.

07/08 side was overrated and the calibre of the competition wasn't the same.

We now have City with Haaland. In case you hadn't noticed!

Honestly with fans like you, I would pay to drive you down to Spuds so you can watch them play instead.

Arteta humbled? the guys been in charge 3 years and hasnt even made top 4, what a utter joke your posts are.

All Arteta has proved is hes a clueless novice who bottled top 4 last season.

Any manager who would be in charge of a big club united, liverpool, chelsea, city or Arsenal and had been in charge for 3 years and spent near 400M would get sacked if they hadnt made top 4.

Showns how low your standards are if you think after 3 years of not making top 4 that a manager is humbling someone.

clueless post from you.

You think potter or tan haag will still be in charge of united or chelsea if after 3 years they havent made top 4.

Your wetting yourself over a manager whose proved nothing in PL.

 

[Amjid Javed]

This is a coping mechanism after the humbling Arteta has given you.

07/08 side was overrated and the calibre of the competition wasn't the same.

We now have City with Haaland. In case you hadn't noticed!

Honestly with fans like you, I would pay to drive you down to Spuds so you can watch them play instead.

07/08 side was overated?

so RVP, cesc etc.. were overated were they?

Between 05 and 09 english teams were all capable of winning the CL, united, chelsea, liverpool and Arsenal.

You really are the most clueless so called fan ive come across.

Man city are only current top side around. back in 05-09 there were 4 topsides your clueless to say the least.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Someone please open a comedy thread so Topspin and mamoon can entertain everyone with the delusional comedy.

 

[Amjid Javed]

James Maddison again out performing certain mediocre Arsenal captain..Yet one certain poster on here things Arsenal captain is greatest youngest midfielder at club ever )

cesc and wilshire were bossing CL games at early age and certain poster here is wetting himself because of man of match vs bournemouth.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nketiah came off the bench in that game earlier in the season where he changed the complexion of the game.

With so few minutes (as Jesus is so good) he's done very well. Remember he's 23 as well. If he doesn't make it to the top at Arsenal, I wouldn't be surprised if he does elsewhere (possibly Chelsea).

Forget about previous seasons please. We haven't seen an Arsenal team this good since 2006.

Nketitah is same level as nick bendtner was, an average back up player. stop getting over excited at one good game as a sub.

No top club chelsea, united, liverpool or city would take such a mediocre player.

Chelsea would be looking to sign world class strikers going forward.

You seem to be doing bhangra over mediocrity, shows what level standards your at.

 

[topspin]

Arteta humbled? the guys been in charge 3 years and hasnt even made top 4, what a utter joke your posts are.

All Arteta has proved is hes a clueless novice who bottled top 4 last season.

Any manager who would be in charge of a big club united, liverpool, chelsea, city or Arsenal and had been in charge for 3 years and spent near 400M would get sacked if they hadnt made top 4.

Showns how low your standards are if you think after 3 years of not making top 4 that a manager is humbling someone.

clueless post from you.

You think potter or tan haag will still be in charge of united or chelsea if after 3 years they havent made top 4.

Your wetting yourself over a manager whose proved nothing in PL.

The hate for Arteta is here for everyone to see

Arteta hasn't been humbled. You've been humbled.

The disrespect you have for him is disgusts me so much I feel like changing my monitor and never coming back to this thread again.

 

[topspin]

another comedy post, you call wengers team bottlers, so what did Arteta do last season? What a contradiction

This team has proved nothing!

Had it finished top 4? No
Has it been in a title race? No
Is it in the CL? No

xhaka finally has a few good gamea after 6 years.

oddegaard is no where near the level Cesc was in 07/08 or 09/10

Yet your making judgement after 8 games, shows how clueless you are. You clearly havent been supporting Arsenal since 2000 as your posts are based on zero facts, just your clueless opinion.

Wenger bottled it in a lower spending era.

Lol I've probably been to more Arsenal games to you in the last 22 years. I've always been based in London.

 

[topspin]

07/08 side was overated?

so RVP, cesc etc.. were overated were they?

Between 05 and 09 english teams were all capable of winning the CL, united, chelsea, liverpool and Arsenal.

You really are the most clueless so called fan ive come across.

Man city are only current top side around. back in 05-09 there were 4 topsides your clueless to say the least.

Cesc was amazing. RVP was injured half the time which goes to show I remember my football very well.

But as mentioned earlier this was during a lower spending era so not to win a UCL and PL was poor for the players he had. From 06 onwards, Wenger became a choking specialist and is the reason why we were in the mess we've been in during recent years.

Arteta has had to inherit and clean up the mess originally created by Wenger. Have some respect for our current manager.

Wenger signed crap like Laca, Mustafi and etc.

 

[topspin]

Someone please open a comedy thread so Topspin and mamoon can entertain everyone with the delusional comedy.

At the end of the season, we'll see who the clown really is. You know what's coming.

 

[topspin]

James Maddison again out performing certain mediocre Arsenal captain..Yet one certain poster on here things Arsenal captain is greatest youngest midfielder at club ever )

cesc and wilshire were bossing CL games at early age and certain poster here is wetting himself because of man of match vs bournemouth.

Also have some respect for Haaland's national team captain. Don't think even Erling himself would be impressed by this nonsense.

It must hurt you to see Odegaard captain Arsenal and his national colours with Haaland in it. Just goes to show what his stature really is and how much it hurts you

 

[topspin]

Nketitah is same level as nick bendtner was, an average back up player. stop getting over excited at one good game as a sub.

No top club chelsea, united, liverpool or city would take such a mediocre player.

Chelsea would be looking to sign world class strikers going forward.

You seem to be doing bhangra over mediocrity, shows what level standards your at.

You're stuck in the 2000s. This is what happens when you get older, you're become so accustomed to the past, life gets too fast for you. You need to keep up with what's hot in current affairs.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Also have some respect for Haaland's national team captain. Don't think even Erling himself would be impressed by this nonsense.

It must hurt you to see Odegaard captain Arsenal and his national colours with Haaland in it. Just goes to show what his stature really is and how much it hurts you

Norway a mediocre team that cant even qualify for the euros. Haaland is a world class footballer in a minnows team. no different to Lewa playing for poland. so stop clutching at straws

Maddison will get more goals and assists combined again for leicester then mediocre norway captain.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Cesc was amazing. RVP was injured half the time which goes to show I remember my football very well.

But as mentioned earlier this was during a lower spending era so not to win a UCL and PL was poor for the players he had. From 06 onwards, Wenger became a choking specialist and is the reason why we were in the mess we've been in during recent years.

Arteta has had to inherit and clean up the mess originally created by Wenger. Have some respect for our current manager.

Wenger signed crap like Laca, Mustafi and etc.

Arteta in inherited a team which finished 5th in PL (70 points)

Arteta hasnt managed that points total, yet the players were crap? Emery got team to a europa league final but players were crap?

Arteta who bottled it and cudnt beat olympiakos or villareal )

Same crap players that help Arteta win FA cup so yeah Auba, AMN, pepe etc.. were rubbish were they.

You actually think that any top club after 3 years of a manager being in charge and not making CL is "greatest side in 16 years" shows what utter rubbish your post.

You actually once in a while make a decent point but right now your talking garbage.

 

[James]

Sometimes you would think that Arsenal are in the League One relegation zone with how their fans moan and carry on.

The best team Arsenal have had in years, exciting players, challenging for a top position in the Premier League, just defeated their arch rivals in the derby, playing fantastic football every week.

Most of us would gladly swap!

 

[Amjid Javed]

Sometimes you would think that Arsenal are in the League One relegation zone with how their fans moan and carry on.

The best team Arsenal have had in years, exciting players, challenging for a top position in the Premier League, just defeated their arch rivals in the derby, playing fantastic football every week.

Most of us would gladly swap!

James - The club is doing well after 8 games (not 38) - yet uve got two so called fans on here proclaiming that manager is world class and this is Arsenals greatest team since we last won the PL.

Lets deal with facts and reality - This team has not met top 4, not be in a title race and isnt even in the CL.

Out of the 25 man squad there is probably around 14 maybe 15 that are decent 1st team quality and rest are mefiocre squad players or kids.

Honest question. [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] @Saj

If a manager at a top club (liverpool / chelsea / arsenal / united / man city) had been given a "Rebuild project" and was 3.5 years in charge and had spent 400M what would expectation be for that season?


A top 4 challenge?
Competitive cup runs?

Please let me know what your expectation would be?

And if it is the above then after 3.5 years at the manager / club is finally doing is what its expected to do.

All my hearing is hype, delusion, oh managers proving everyone wrong. if its taking a manager around 3.5 years to just about challenge for top 4 is embarrassing.

You think the other top 4 clubs would be over hyping things if took Potter, Ten Haag or who ever eventually replaces Pep or Klopp that long and they are just about competitive.

Oh Artetas as good as klopp, hes better then George Graham. Thats how stupid and delusional fans are. Stop making comparisons with a novice cone distributor who has proved nothing yet. If he does make top 4 after 3.5 years its not exactly a world class achievement.

The so called project / proceess has been said by EDU / Josh kronke is to make Arsenal win trophies and compete for titles again and club hasnt done that apart from 1 FA cup win and 2 abysmal league finishes and bottling top 4.

 

[James]

James - The club is doing well after 8 games (not 38) - yet uve got two so called fans on here proclaiming that manager is world class and this is Arsenals greatest team since we last won the PL.

Lets deal with facts and reality - This team has not met top 4, not be in a title race and isnt even in the CL.

Out of the 25 man squad there is probably around 14 maybe 15 that are decent 1st team quality and rest are mefiocre squad players or kids.

Honest question. [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] @Saj

If a manager at a top club (liverpool / chelsea / arsenal / united / man city) had been given a "Rebuild project" and was 3.5 years in charge and had spent 400M what would expectation be for that season?


A top 4 challenge?
Competitive cup runs?

Please let me know what your expectation would be?

And if it is the above then after 3.5 years at the manager / club is finally doing is what its expected to do.

All my hearing is hype, delusion, oh managers proving everyone wrong. if its taking a manager around 3.5 years to just about challenge for top 4 is embarrassing.

You think the other top 4 clubs would be over hyping things if took Potter, Ten Haag or who ever eventually replaces Pep or Klopp that long and they are just about competitive.

Oh Artetas as good as klopp, hes better then George Graham. Thats how stupid and delusional fans are. Stop making comparisons with a novice cone distributor who has proved nothing yet. If he does make top 4 after 3.5 years its not exactly a world class achievement.

The so called project / proceess has been said by EDU / Josh kronke is to make Arsenal win trophies and compete for titles again and club hasnt done that apart from 1 FA cup win and 2 abysmal league finishes and bottling top 4.

This level of micro detail and comparisons with other managers is more for the Arsenal fans to discuss.

What I’m offering is a neutral / outsider perspective — what most of us see is fantastic talented players, thrilling football every week being played the right way, 7 out of 8 perfect results, beating the arch rivals in the local derby, and top of the league ahead of Man City.

Being a football fan is depressing enough when your team is doing badly, so I don’t understand why you would still ridicule pretty much everything and everyone connected with your team when they are all doing so well? Repeatedly criticising the coach and disparaging the captain? And constantly trying to take down fans and mock them when they get excited?

If you’re supposedly an Arsenal fan, and you’re not happy with that early return from the season, then you need to question whether you have lost sight of the feelings and values that drew you towards supporting the club, the team, the players, and the sport in the first place.

In this thread the theme from you is one of persistent negativity, complaining, ripping on your own team when they are doing well, and being aggressive and insulting towards other users/fans who are enjoying the good Arsenal run.

I find it to be a deeply entitled approach, also quite unpleasant, and as a fan of football and a (different) team and club myself, I don’t understand it at all.

 

[Amjid Javed]

This level of micro detail and comparisons with other managers is more for the Arsenal fans to discuss.

What I’m offering is a neutral / outsider perspective — what most of us see is fantastic talented players, thrilling football every week being played the right way, 7 out of 8 perfect results, beating the arch rivals in the local derby, and top of the league ahead of Man City.

Being a football fan is depressing enough when your team is doing badly, so I don’t understand why you would still ridicule pretty much everything and everyone connected with your team when they are all doing so well? Repeatedly criticising the coach and disparaging the captain? And constantly trying to take down fans and mock them when they get excited?

If you’re supposedly an Arsenal fan, and you’re not happy with that early return from the season, then you need to question whether you have lost sight of the feelings and values that drew you towards supporting the club, the team, the players, and the sport in the first place.

In this thread the theme from you is one of persistent negativity, complaining, ripping on your own team when they are doing well, and being aggressive and insulting towards other users/fans who are enjoying the good Arsenal run.

I find it to be a deeply entitled approach, also quite unpleasant, and as a fan of football and a (different) team and club myself, I don’t understand it at all.

1) When did i say i wasnt happy with the return so far this season? i said we have done well and season is 8 games old.
Do they hand the PL trophy out after 8 games?,

All i am doing is not getting over excited like some fans proclaiming this best side in 16 years or manager is world class based on zero achievements just comical opinion.

As a fan i know no club is entitled or devine right to win trophies etc.. what i expect is that the club is competitive, and thats take what 3 years of a manager being in charge.

So all fans need to act like sheep and "trust the process"

Lets deal with reality in any sport or business a "Project" or "process" is measured by goals and achievements of how its well its done.

Facts!

Arsenal havent finished Top 4
Arsenal havent been in a Title race
Arsenal arent in the CL

These are all so called Targets in "The process" so yes i have every right to be scepitical and say what i feel as the club has achieved nothing.

The manager is still unproven as is the captain so when criticism is warranted il say it, when they deserve praise they will get it.

i expect high standards from the club, we aint spurs a small club.

I said at start of season i expect the following to measure progress

13 Defeats last season - reduced to around half in PL (6 or 7)
9 Away deafeats last season - again reduced to around half (4 or 5)
Take points of liverpool and man city (At least at home)

Top 4 finish minimum
Competitive cup runs (no club has right to win) - but i expect a good FA cup and europa league runs. Not the embarrasing defeats to southampton, Forrest, olympiakos and Villareal.

When the club is actually at a measureable target of this so called process il say well done. Until then i dont need to over hype or make stupid comparisions like a lot of the delusional fan base with low standards.

 

[Firebat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mikel Arteta now has the best win ratio of any Arsenal manager in history (58.26%).<br><br>141 matches<br>82 wins<br>20 draws<br>39 losses<br>241 goals scored<br>145 goals conceded<br><br>[<a href="https://twitter.com/JoshJJames78?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JoshJJames78</a>] <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/afc?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#afc</a> <a href="https://t.co/JW2lefQTR6">pic.twitter.com/JW2lefQTR6</a></p>— afcstuff (@afcstuff) <a href="https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/1578132324843225098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

Manager Mikel Arteta says the turnaround at a "fractured" Arsenal is "a credit to everyone".

Arteta came under pressure after a poor start to last season and his side went on to narrowly miss out on a Champions League place to Tottenham.

But they go into Sunday's match against Liverpool top of the Premier League after seven wins from eight games.

"I'm really happy and proud for the change of dynamic and the atmosphere around the club," said Arteta.

"Looking ahead again at where we want to be - we are not there yet.

"How you measure success is lifting trophies, but as well you have to understand where we were and how fractured the club and the environment looked. How it looks now is a credit to everyone."

Arteta has been in charge at Emirates Stadium since December 2019 and signed a new contract running until 2025 in May.

His side have not beaten Liverpool since July 2020 and host the Reds with an 11-point lead over Jurgen Klopp's team, who are ninth in the Premier League.

"It is a really exciting game against one of the top opponents in this league," said Arteta. "It will be a really demanding match that is going to require us to be at our best.

"It is a fixture that everybody is looking for against an opponent that has shown the level they have in the last five and six years.

"We have to show we have raised our level and are able to compete."

 

[Amjid Javed]

Manager Mikel Arteta says the turnaround at a "fractured" Arsenal is "a credit to everyone".

Arteta came under pressure after a poor start to last season and his side went on to narrowly miss out on a Champions League place to Tottenham.

But they go into Sunday's match against Liverpool top of the Premier League after seven wins from eight games.

"I'm really happy and proud for the change of dynamic and the atmosphere around the club," said Arteta.

"Looking ahead again at where we want to be - we are not there yet.

"How you measure success is lifting trophies, but as well you have to understand where we were and how fractured the club and the environment looked. How it looks now is a credit to everyone."

Arteta has been in charge at Emirates Stadium since December 2019 and signed a new contract running until 2025 in May.

His side have not beaten Liverpool since July 2020 and host the Reds with an 11-point lead over Jurgen Klopp's team, who are ninth in the Premier League.

"It is a really exciting game against one of the top opponents in this league," said Arteta. "It will be a really demanding match that is going to require us to be at our best.

"It is a fixture that everybody is looking for against an opponent that has shown the level they have in the last five and six years.

"We have to show we have raised our level and are able to compete."

Liverpool are a very dangerous team still, just like the united game early in season this will show whether there is an improvement in current team or not.

 

[Amjid Javed]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mikel Arteta now has the best win ratio of any Arsenal manager in history (58.26%).<br><br>141 matches<br>82 wins<br>20 draws<br>39 losses<br>241 goals scored<br>145 goals conceded<br><br>[<a href="https://twitter.com/JoshJJames78?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JoshJJames78</a>] <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/afc?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#afc</a> <a href="https://t.co/JW2lefQTR6">pic.twitter.com/JW2lefQTR6</a></p>— afcstuff (@afcstuff) <a href="https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/1578132324843225098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Meaningless stats when nothing has been achieved. Zero title races, zero top 4 finishes, zero games in CL.

Everyone can show stats to make their point.

18/19 EMERY: 70pts, 5th +EL final +22

19/20 Arteta: 56pts, 8th +8
20/21 Arteta: 61pts, 8th +16
21/22 Arteta: 69pts, 5th +13
22/23 Arteta: ?? Magic?
(+£400m..)

 

[Mamoon]

Time for [MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] to cry again )

This is the Arteta effect. He has brought resilience to this Arsenal team. You have to blind as a bat to not realize that he has turned things around.

Arsenal are so, so lucky to have him.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=130076]PetroDollars[/MENTION] [MENTION=133972]shaykh[/MENTION]

Are you guys witnessing this? )

 

[in_cutter]

Liverpool are a very dangerous team still, just like the united game early in season this will show whether there is an improvement in current team or not.

Everyone can see Liverpool is not a dangerous team this season but you still needed the luck to win today.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Everyone can see Liverpool is not a dangerous team this season but you still needed the luck to win today.

Yeah we needed luck with non-penalty decision, but we did enough going forward to win the game.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Time for [MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] to cry again )

This is the Arteta effect. He has brought resilience to this Arsenal team. You have to blind as a bat to not realize that he has turned things around.

Arsenal are so, so lucky to have him.

No one is crying, i said at start of season we had to improve in a big game and we finally have. Yet your wetting yourself for no reason, after 3 years and 400M spent the team has given liverpool a game for once.

 

[Mamoon]

No one is crying, i said at start of season we had to improve in a big game and we finally have. Yet your wetting yourself for no reason, after 3 years and 400M spent the team has given liverpool a game for once.

It is called not having any vision and not having the capacity to look beyond the last result and next game.

Arteta and Arsenal had nothing to prove today. Heck, they could lose at home to a relegation team next. It is football, it happens.

But Arsenal fans have been excited and full of praise for Arteta because you can clearly see (well at least some of them) that the team has improved this season in terms of tactics, intensity and mentality and it goes beyond the results.

This, along with the 2007-08 Arsenal team is the most impressive Arsenal side in the Emirates era and although that Arsenal team had more talent and flair, it mentally disintegrated after Eduardo’s injury and bottled it completely.

This Arsenal side is tough as nails. Their intensity never drops and they fight till the last ball, and they have reaped the rewards with the results.

The 400m is a moot point. It is 2022 not 1922. You need to spend big money to assemble a top team. Have Pep and Klopp built their teams for free?

What did Klopp achieve for Liverpool before he spent big money on VVD, Alisson and Fabinho? Nothing. He was getting school by Emery in Europa final.

You need to stop digging a hole for yourself and admit it that you were wrong on Arteta. You were impatient and couldn’t see that he was working towards something special. Let this be a footballing lesson for you and the dozen others who wanted him sacked.

 

[topspin]

This level of micro detail and comparisons with other managers is more for the Arsenal fans to discuss.

What I’m offering is a neutral / outsider perspective — what most of us see is fantastic talented players, thrilling football every week being played the right way, 7 out of 8 perfect results, beating the arch rivals in the local derby, and top of the league ahead of Man City.

Being a football fan is depressing enough when your team is doing badly, so I don’t understand why you would still ridicule pretty much everything and everyone connected with your team when they are all doing so well? Repeatedly criticising the coach and disparaging the captain? And constantly trying to take down fans and mock them when they get excited?

If you’re supposedly an Arsenal fan, and you’re not happy with that early return from the season, then you need to question whether you have lost sight of the feelings and values that drew you towards supporting the club, the team, the players, and the sport in the first place.

In this thread the theme from you is one of persistent negativity, complaining, ripping on your own team when they are doing well, and being aggressive and insulting towards other users/fans who are enjoying the good Arsenal run.

I find it to be a deeply entitled approach, also quite unpleasant, and as a fan of football and a (different) team and club myself, I don’t understand it at all.

Completely agree.

He just can't fathom Arteta doing well. He's stuck in the 2000s. Bless him he rates the 2016 side more than the current team

Even the biggest Arteta critics from last season have done a U-turn. Most notable example is Piers Morgan who's gone from Arteta's biggest critic to someone who's "trusting the process".

The fact that Amjid continues to mock Arteta and be obnoxious about it all speaks volumes and strongly suggests he's the odd one out from the entire Arsenal fan base.

Yes you read that right, the odd one from the entire Arsenal fan base.

 

[topspin]

It is called not having any vision and not having the capacity to look beyond the last result and next game.

Arteta and Arsenal had nothing to prove today. Heck, they could lose at home to a relegation team next. It is football, it happens.

But Arsenal fans have been excited and full of praise for Arteta because you can clearly see (well at least some of them) that the team has improved this season in terms of tactics, intensity and mentality and it goes beyond the results.

This, along with the 2007-08 Arsenal team is the most impressive Arsenal side in the Emirates era and although that Arsenal team had more talent and flair, it mentally disintegrated after Eduardo’s injury and bottled it completely.

This Arsenal side is tough as nails. Their intensity never drops and they fight till the last ball, and they have reaped the rewards with the results.

The 400m is a moot point. It is 2022 not 1922. You need to spend big money to assemble a top team. Have Pep and Klopp built their teams for free?

What did Klopp achieve for Liverpool before he spent big money on VVD, Alisson and Fabinho? Nothing. He was getting school by Emery in Europa final.

You need to stop digging a hole for yourself and admit it that you were wrong on Arteta. You were impatient and couldn’t see that he was working towards something special. Let this be a footballing lesson for you and the dozen others who wanted him sacked.

Exactly what I tried to tell him.

Yes on paper they were great but they were bottlers. I'm glad you see iit for what it is!

 

[Amjid Javed]

It is called not having any vision and not having the capacity to look beyond the last result and next game.

Arteta and Arsenal had nothing to prove today. Heck, they could lose at home to a relegation team next. It is football, it happens.

But Arsenal fans have been excited and full of praise for Arteta because you can clearly see (well at least some of them) that the team has improved this season in terms of tactics, intensity and mentality and it goes beyond the results.

This, along with the 2007-08 Arsenal team is the most impressive Arsenal side in the Emirates era and although that Arsenal team had more talent and flair, it mentally disintegrated after Eduardo’s injury and bottled it completely.

This Arsenal side is tough as nails. Their intensity never drops and they fight till the last ball, and they have reaped the rewards with the results.

The 400m is a moot point. It is 2022 not 1922. You need to spend big money to assemble a top team. Have Pep and Klopp built their teams for free?

What did Klopp achieve for Liverpool before he spent big money on VVD, Alisson and Fabinho? Nothing. He was getting school by Emery in Europa final.

You need to stop digging a hole for yourself and admit it that you were wrong on Arteta. You were impatient and couldn’t see that he was working towards something special. Let this be a footballing lesson for you and the dozen others who wanted him sacked.

Wow your still getting over excited and the club has achieved nothing yet.

3 Years into a so called project and we finally might finish top 4 (A bare minimum requirement) right now. United and chelsea win there games in hand the gap between 1st and 5th is 6 points. Just remember this club bottled a 4 point lead with 3 games to go last season.

Right now the club should be good enough to have competitive cup runs as well ad do well in the league. So lets see if it can do better then the shameful cup loses to Forrest, southampton, olympiakos and Villareal.

if we finish 4th its basically the minimum expected for the season. If we manage to finish 2rd or 3rd and comfortable with top 4 finish its an improvement.

Improvement is measured on results and trophies.

i said at start of season what needed to improve.

13 League defeats halved
9 away defeats halved
Take points of liverpool and city
Also actually make top 4

so put your lightbulbs away as nothing has been achieved yet.

Potter at chelsea and Ten Haag are expected to deliver top 4 for their teams and will be expected to do it in a lot less time then 3 years so stop getting over hyped on what is normally expected par for course with any top 5 side.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Completely agree.

He just can't fathom Arteta doing well. He's stuck in the 2000s. Bless him he rates the 2016 side more than the current team

Even the biggest Arteta critics from last season have done a U-turn. Most notable example is Piers Morgan who's gone from Arteta's biggest critic to someone who's "trusting the process".

The fact that Amjid continues to mock Arteta and be obnoxious about it all speaks volumes and strongly suggests he's the odd one out from the entire Arsenal fan base.

Yes you read that right, the odd one from the entire Arsenal fan base.

Doing well? what you mean hes doing what any manager at a top 5 club would be expected to do after 3 years in charge?

You think City / liverpool / United / chelsea would be over hyping their managers if it took them 3 years to finally challenge.

Niether Ten Haag or Potter will still be in charge of their clubs if its taking 3 years just to make top 4. There lies difference in what big clubs expect as bare minimum.

Just remember this team has achieved nothing so far

Both Josh kronke and Edu have said they want club to be back winning titles and Trophies so lets see if that actually happens.

 

[topspin]

Doing well? what you mean hes doing what any manager at a top 5 club would be expected to do after 3 years in charge?

You think City / liverpool / United / chelsea would be over hyping their managers if it took them 3 years to finally challenge.

Niether Ten Haag or Potter will still be in charge of their clubs if its taking 3 years just to make top 4. There lies difference in what big clubs expect as bare minimum.

Just remember this team has achieved nothing so far

Both Josh kronke and Edu have said they want club to be back winning titles and Trophies so lets see if that actually happens.

You're taking a very simplistic view with this analysis.

Arteta inherited a team which was utterly dogsh** to say the least. In comparison, Potter/Chelsea and etc are starting from a far better position.

Did you know Piers Morgan (who was Arteta's biggest critic last season) has just publicly apologised to Arteta?

The disrespect you have for him needs to stop. Yes we're not good enough to win the PL yet nor are we in the UCL yet but he's needed time for this rebuild just like Klopp did for Liverpool.

Clearing out the deadwood has taken time because of the awful work from his predecessors.

 

[PakEngFan]

As usual Arsenal fans getting carried away after years of mediocre performances.

 

[Firebat]

Money spent since Arteta's appointment:

Liverpool - £235m
Arsenal - £354m
Tottenham - £366m
Man City - £403m
Man United - £492m
Chelsea - £582m

 

[Amjid Javed]

As usual Arsenal fans getting carried away after years of mediocre performances.

Not all Arsenal fans are!!!

We are doing well after 9 games! not 29 not 38!

This team hasnt proved anything yet and bare minimum requirement at start of season was finishing top 4. "if they do that is a par for course season.

 

[topspin]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dear <a href="https://twitter.com/m8arteta?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@m8arteta</a> - I hereby formally declare trust in your process. You’ve built a thrilling team full of energy, pace, power, commitment and ferocious will-to-win. Love the way we play & our attitude. I had my doubts about you - but not any more. Keep pounding �� <a href="https://t.co/S7O7sU9vAX">pic.twitter.com/S7O7sU9vAX</a></p>— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1579164395414106113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Amjid Javed]

As usual Arsenal fans getting carried away after years of mediocre performances.

Some posters on here think that challenging for Top 4 after 3.5 years is an achievement. You get so called fans of all teams who have low standards and celebrate mediocrity.

Does not mean every fan is like that.

 

[MenInG]

NO MORE personal attacks on each other.

stick to arguments and leave posters out of it

 

[Amjid Javed]

You're taking a very simplistic view with this analysis.

Arteta inherited a team which was utterly dogsh** to say the least. In comparison, Potter/Chelsea and etc are starting from a far better position.

Did you know Piers Morgan (who was Arteta's biggest critic last season) has just publicly apologised to Arteta?

The disrespect you have for him needs to stop. Yes we're not good enough to win the PL yet nor are we in the UCL yet but he's needed time for this rebuild just like Klopp did for Liverpool.

Clearing out the deadwood has taken time because of the awful work from his predecessors.

So once again you make a load of statements with Zero facts.

1) Arteta inherited a rubbish team. Lets deal with facts
- Emerys team finished with 70 points (Arteta has never got 70 points in PL)
- Emery in his 1st season finished 5th (Arteta in his 2nd full season finished 5th)
- Emery got Arsenal to europa league final in 1st season (Arteta has never got to europa league final and even took Arsenal out of europe for 1st time in over 25 years)
- The same players Emery had helped Arteta win the FA cup

All facts! yet you say the team was rubbish.

Then you mention Klopp and Rebuild.

Klopp -
1st full season 4th PL and into CL
2nd full season 4th PL and CL finalists
3rd full season 2nd PL and CL Winners
4th Full season 1st PL

Arteta is in his 3rd full season

Never finished in Top 4
Never in a title race
Never in the CL

Facts again.

Feel free to counter any of the above with facts, rather then your opinion and statements. Right now Arsenal have done well after 9 games, we have not achieved anything.

So stop with the excuses and also with the needless comparisions.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Money spent since Arteta's appointment:

Liverpool - £235m
Arsenal - £354m
Tottenham - £366m
Man City - £403m
Man United - £492m
Chelsea - £582m

liverpool have spent less and challenged for titles. Spurs have spent slightly more and finished top 4.

Lets be real here the aim for the 5 teams other than man city is to compete and finish top 4. Aim for city is pretty much to win the league every season.

 

[topspin]

Money spent since Arteta's appointment:

Liverpool - £235m
Arsenal - £354m
Tottenham - £366m
Man City - £403m
Man United - £492m
Chelsea - £582m

I love this. Great way to shut up any Arteta haters out there.

The hateful rhetoric has always been about how Arteta has spent £350m-£400m. When you put this into context, this averages out as £405m - meaning Mikel spent less than what was spent on average by the big 6 teams ever since he was appointed as Arsenal's head coach.

This completely debunks the myth about Arteta performing poorly on a spending adjusted basis. He's done a remarkable job at Arsenal and only a blind bat or someone with an agenda would oppose his presence at Arsenal.

 

[topspin]

So once again you make a load of statements with Zero facts.

1) Arteta inherited a rubbish team. Lets deal with facts
- Emerys team finished with 70 points (Arteta has never got 70 points in PL)
- Emery in his 1st season finished 5th (Arteta in his 2nd full season finished 5th)
- Emery got Arsenal to europa league final in 1st season (Arteta has never got to europa league final and even took Arsenal out of europe for 1st time in over 25 years)
- The same players Emery had helped Arteta win the FA cup

All facts! yet you say the team was rubbish.

Then you mention Klopp and Rebuild.

Klopp -
1st full season 4th PL and into CL
2nd full season 4th PL and CL finalists
3rd full season 2nd PL and CL Winners
4th Full season 1st PL

Arteta is in his 3rd full season

Never finished in Top 4
Never in a title race
Never in the CL

Facts again.

Feel free to counter any of the above with facts, rather then your opinion and statements. Right now Arsenal have done well after 9 games, we have not achieved anything.

So stop with the excuses and also with the needless comparisions.

I never compared him to Klopp's achievements. What I said was Arteta is going through that rebuild/transition phase just like he had to when he first joined Liverpool. I'm not saying Arteta has done a better job of it so far (at the same stage) because we don't know the future. Respectfully please stop putting words in my mouth and coming up with lies after lies.

In response to your post, yes Emery got 70 points but go back and take a long look at the overall quality of our rivals (big 6) in terms of composition of players in each of those sides and how they compare to what they have now. Most of them (if not all) are far superior at present. Unfortunately, you have a habit of bringing up facts without any relevant context.

If you really think this current Arsenal team or the one from last season would have struggled to make top 4 during that Emery season you keep banging on about then you're beyond lost. But I think you know better as I believe Arteta simply isn't your cup of tea.

Another example of you bringing up facts without any context is when you bring up Arteta's spending without mentioning that this is less than average spend by the big 6 during his reign at Arsenal.

We can go on and on but it's quite clear as James alluded to that you've simply fallen out of love for this team and perhaps for this game itself. You've been told by others that some of your responses on here and all this micro analysis is making you look obnoxious.

Believe me I've been supporting this team since 2000 and I've never been more optimistic about Arsenal since 2006. Good times are coming.

I was at the Emirates on Sunday for the Liverpool game. Trust me when I say all the Arsenal fans I've come across love Arteta. I honestly couldn't count the number of times I heard the Super Mik Arteta chant during the game.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I never compared him to Klopp's achievements. What I said was Arteta is going through that rebuild/transition phase just like he had to when he first joined Liverpool. I'm not saying Arteta has done a better job of it so far (at the same stage) because we don't know the future. Respectfully please stop putting words in my mouth and coming up with lies after lies.

In response to your post, yes Emery got 70 points but go back and take a long look at the overall quality of our rivals (big 6) in terms of composition of players in each of those sides and how they compare to what they have now. Most of them (if not all) are far superior at present. Unfortunately, you have a habit of bringing up facts without any relevant context.

If you really think this current Arsenal team or the one from last season would have struggled to make top 4 during that Emery season you keep banging on about then you're beyond lost. But I think you know better as I believe Arteta simply isn't your cup of tea.

Another example of you bringing up facts without any context is when you bring up Arteta's spending without mentioning that this is less than average spend by the big 6 during his reign at Arsenal.

We can go on and on but it's quite clear as James alluded to that you've simply fallen out of love for this team and perhaps for this game itself. You've been told by others that some of your responses on here and all this micro analysis is making you look obnoxious.

Believe me I've been supporting this team since 2000 and I've never been more optimistic about Arsenal since 2006. Good times are coming.

I was at the Emirates on Sunday for the Liverpool game. Trust me when I say all the Arsenal fans I've come across love Arteta. I honestly couldn't count the number of times I heard the Super Mik Arteta chant during the game.

oh here we go again yet more BORING statements with ZERO FACTS.

yet again uve stated your opinon with zero evidence to back it up. So now your make a statement comparing the strength of the top 6 back in 18/19 to now?

Any proof? No
Any stats? No

Lets deal with reality and facts rather then fantasy.

You sound like a deluded liverpool fan "oh well this current liverpool team is getting 90 points all the time so in any other season they would have won the PL"

Reality is Football doesnt work like that. But hey lets look at your fantasy anyway.

18/19 - city and liverpool were operating at 90+ points total which both teams have for 4 years (apart from 1 off season each). Last season both teams were around 90 mark again. FACT

chelsea / spurs finished 3rd and 4th in respectively miles off the top 2 (20+ points) and didnt look capable of a title challenge. Last season both teams finished in a similar manner. FACT

Arsenal finished 5th were in europe, playing 3 games a week from feb onwards and got 70 PL points and got to EL final. Last season Arsenal couldnt even handle 1 game a week from Feb and bottled top 4 with less games and couldnt even get 70 points. FACT

in both 18/19 and last season united were a shambles a finished 6th. FACT

the relative strength of these sides is subjective or based on opinion unless you have some sort of magic stats analysis to prove otherwise.

Oh but wait last seasons team who had no decent striker would have finished top in 18/19 (again thats fantasy and your opinion)

Auba out of Form
Laca - cant run or score
Eddie - who came with a few games to play

just remember in 18/19 Arsenal had a prime Auba (30 goals that season, 20+ in league) and was also the 1 good season laca had. oh but wait that team was rubbish.

So according your fantasy a team that couldnt handle not being in europe with no decent striking options would have done well in other seasons.

All your posts are just your opinion with zero stats / facts and you choose to compare different seasons. You have no credibility at all.

now you say your a fan since 2000 and your most excited since 2006?

What you excited about?

Top 4 finish? Arsenal have done that before from 2006 onwards
A title challenge? Arsenal did that in 07/08 09/10 and 15/16
Playing CL? Arsenal did that for 20 years running. Current team wasnt even in europe last season.
Team showing the can win the CL? Arsenal with a younger team then now got to a CL semi final. Arteta cant even hack the EL

Anyone would think u started supporting Arsenal 3 years ago. You are getting excited because we might finish top 4, you not seen Arsenal do that?

like i said stop with the needless comparisons which you cant even articulate or justify with proof or stats. Just your opinion.

Also go watch the edu interview or players interviews at start of season they say target is top 4 and to win EL. So if thats the target and they do it they have achieved expectations. Yet your hyping it up as a world class achievement when its meeting expectation.

finally its called Arsenal FC not Arteta FC, so acting like the chairmen of Arteta fan club.

its funny how when club does badly its ex managers and players fault but club does half decent its all down to the manager.

Lets deal with facts rather then just your random statements you keep making.

 

[Firebat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#55357;&#56803; "Mikel Arteta is the most underrated manager in the league."<br><br>Jesse Marsch says Mikel Arteta has done an "absolutely amazing job" at Arsenal <a href="https://t.co/1BMtkXIdOU">pic.twitter.com/1BMtkXIdOU</a></p>— Football Daily (@footballdaily) <a href="https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1581016924904951808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#55357;&#56803; "Not really, I saw an evolution from the beginning of Mikel [Arteta]."<br><br>Kevin De Bruyne is not surprised by the success Mikel Arteta is having at Arsenal <a href="https://t.co/5cbzAnOpbU">pic.twitter.com/5cbzAnOpbU</a></p>— Football Daily (@footballdaily) <a href="https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1581014129111810048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[WengerOut]

Arteta did not inherit a 70 points Emery team. He inherited the Emery team which had collected 23 points from 18 games which when extrapolated over a season, would be 48 points. Arsenal ended that season with 56 points. In short bad recruitment, blotted squad, aging superstars on paid holidays and no accountability were the "USP" when he inherited. He had to start from scratch and slowly build the squad which is not an overnight process. It requires time, money and ruthlessness. Things will always go south before its trajectory north. And at this point, no one would say he has done badly. Sometimes winning is not the only criteria.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

They could potentially have a 9 point gao after City... interesting times. Keep an eye on Spurs who have a winning manager and better squad

 

[Abdullah]

Wow
Seriously impressed with this dude
I genuinely thought that we would win the game on transitions and be running at the back line a lot more than we did. Arsenal totally controlled the first 60 mins ( thereafter is just because arsenal are not used to playing with the intensity required which will come in time as training intensity increases)

So I'm only gonna judge the first 60 minutes for arteta.
Organised, aggressive, disciplined, knowing when to play and when not to.
The best thing you can say about a coach is that it looks like he is individually controlling each player from the sidelines when defending. And he has managed that in two weeks without signings.

I do think that they will have problems for a few more weeks towards the end of games and even today if it was say maddison and tielemens instead of matic and lingard, we could have got back at them.

Just hope the board don't back him in the transfer market!!

I don't like quoting myself but this was in January 2020, and I'm a united fan.
He's always had something about him.
I think it just took him a while to work out he didn't have man city players, so he couldn't put demands on players to that extent and he had to back off a little bit.

 

[Abdullah]

How am i wrong? hes been bench all season. hes improved a little!

What has Arteta proved so far in the league? nothing yet! At end of season he will have completed 3.5 years at the club, if uve only just made CL in that time its not exactly something you call great. Since whens the clubs standards been that low.

People getting carried away make stupid comparisions vs wenger, klopp, George graham etc.. its embarrassing.

Top 4 with amount of money spent and being 3.5 years in charge is the bare minimum the club should be looking at. Dont forget this so called great manager bottled top 4 and team wasnt in europe last season.

You have to also account for the competition. You have 2 teams averaging 95 points last 5 seasons,
And arsenal been a banter club for the same period.
It takes time to do what arteta has done , and it's a seriously commendable job.
He has stripped the club down and built it up again in 2 and a half years.

 

[MenInG]

Premier League leaders Arsenal have to "reset" after losing to PSV Eindhoven and missing the chance to seal top spot in Europa League Group A, says boss Mikel Arteta.

The Gunners only needed a point in the Netherlands to advance to the last 16 next March.

But Joey Veerman's first-time finish from 16 yards and a header by substitute Luuk de Jong - after a mistake by keeper Aaron Ramsdale on his European debut - meant Arsenal lost in Europe for the first time this season.

"I'm very disappointed," added Arteta.

"We were nowhere near our level and we know that in Europe it's very difficult to win. I saw a number of the boys running out of energy because we had to chase the ball so much.

"It's the end of a long run where we won a lot of games and we have to reset."

PSV, managed by former Manchester United forward Ruud van Nistelrooy, also had three goals ruled out for offside as Arsenal were well beaten.

The Gunners need to beat Zurich, who they defeated 2-1 in Switzerland on 8 September, in their final group game next Thursday at Emirates Stadium (20:00 GMT) to guarantee a place in the last 16.

 

[James]

Considerable pressure applied by City, Tottenham and Newcastle today at the upper end of the table.

Very important for Arteta to eke out a win tomorrow for Arsenal against a stubborn Nottingham Forest side in order to reclaim top spot.

 

[Mamoon]

World class manager.
[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] please apologize.

 

[James]

Shows no sign of losing momentum.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arteta turning Arsenal into a top side but in the PL things change quickly.

Top 4 again would be great but surely not even Arteta believes he will win the PL. More chance of Utd getting top 4.

 

[hitthestump]

Arteta turning Arsenal into a top side but in the PL things change quickly.

Top 4 again would be great but surely not even Arteta believes he will win the PL. More chance of Utd getting top 4.

Everyone expects Guardiola's City being the only winners in the marathon that is the PL.

Liverpool fans should feel the most hard done by to have that amazing team under Klopp and have just a solitary title to show for it.

However, people also thought Leicester would let up eventually....

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta turning Arsenal into a top side but in the PL things change quickly.

Top 4 again would be great but surely not even Arteta believes he will win the PL. More chance of Utd getting top 4.

I don’t know why you keep repeating this line. Why the insecurity?

Perhaps it is because Arteta has already embarrassed you and exposed your footballing sense.

Your old posts in this thread look hilarious now. Thankfully the club didn’t listen to people like you and persisted with him.

Everyone knows that Arsenal have almost no chance of winning the league including Arteta. Sure it has happened in the past and it can happen again, people have been waiting for Arsenal to slip up from the top since game game 1 and Arsenal are still top after game 13.

But there are a lot factors that will make it difficult for Arsenal to sustain their position at the top.

The squad lacks depth and a couple of injuries would probably derail them. Players will lose form at some point, the World Cup could be a momentum-killer. In addition, City is likely to pick up 4 if not 6 points from Arsenal.

But Arsenal are heavy favorites for finishing second and even a top 3 finish would be a massive step in the right direction and an indication of what is to come.

The biggest takeaway is that Arteta has shown that he has what it takes to make Arsenal a proper force again and there is no doubt he can win the league over the next few years.

He knows how he wants the team to play, he has improved the mentality of the players and he will keep signing the right players to raise the level of the team.

Arsenal are in a really good spot right now and full credit goes to the club for identifying the right person to rebuild the team and persisting with him, ignoring the rants of people who don’t know the first thing about football.