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Arsenal manager - Is Mikel Arteta the right choice?

Arsenal manager - Is Mikel Arteta the right choice?


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Clearly flew over your head. If Xabi is the best young manager in the world, so be it. Will be interesting if he loses to West Ham in Europa.
Flew over my head? The amount of delusion on this manager is unreal and hilarious.

The latest narrative being that Arsenal are back to competing against European elite sides.

Name me one top class side Arsenal beat In the europa league under this manager in knockout stages?

Then in this seasons CL we had a mediocre weak group and we've scrapped past Porto on pens and now the manager is proven pedigree in Europe 🤦‍♂️.

Porto have the record for most number of exits in last 16 of the CL, that's their level.

All this nonsical self validation of a manager who literally has been an embarrassment in Europe.

The fact most fans can't give a balanced and honest view and instead come up with delusional comments or come up with hypothetical scenarios shows they don't believe in the hype they are partaking in
 
Flew over my head? The amount of delusion on this manager is unreal and hilarious.

The latest narrative being that Arsenal are back to competing against European elite sides.

Name me one top class side Arsenal beat In the europa league under this manager in knockout stages?

Then in this seasons CL we had a mediocre weak group and we've scrapped past Porto on pens and now the manager is proven pedigree in Europe 🤦‍♂️.

Porto have the record for most number of exits in last 16 of the CL, that's their level.

All this nonsical self validation of a manager who literally has been an embarrassment in Europe.

The fact most fans can't give a balanced and honest view and instead come up with delusional comments or come up with hypothetical scenarios shows they don't believe in the hype they are partaking in
You could have spared all these and just say "Arteta is very mediocre ". I get it as ur opinion. But you are fighting against "blind fanboyism " using the wrong tool of "blind hatred".
 
Arteta has been very good in a relentless league. Winning the league would be an icing. Even if not he has made sure that Arsenal demands respect from big teams. A lot of trigger happy fans here has been bigging up the new toy in town, Xabi Alonso, to slag off Arteta. EPL is a completely different kettle of fish. Just ask Andres Villas Boas, ETH etc...
The Arsenal fans on this forum don’t know anything about football. They have 0 ball knowledge. Don’t worry about them.
 
You could have spared all these and just say "Arteta is very mediocre ". I get it as ur opinion. But you are fighting against "blind fanboyism " using the wrong tool of "blind hatred".

Arteta has done some good things at the club, which I have given him credit for. However after being in charge for 4 seasons in charge its time to deliver.

For all the "positives" it's time to show meaningful output.

There is no hatred, I just don't get over excited on zero achievements.

I've seen wenger (97-05) and GG at club make actual proper achievements at Club.

Yet people now want to throw the words best and elite around for current manager, its actually embarrassing
 
Arteta has done some good things at the club, which I have given him credit for. However after being in charge for 4 seasons in charge its time to deliver.

For all the "positives" it's time to show meaningful output.

There is no hatred, I just don't get over excited on zero achievements.

I've seen wenger (97-05) and GG at club make actual proper achievements at Club.

Yet people now want to throw the words best and elite around for current manager, its actually embarrassing
You cannot compare the contexts when Wenger came and when Arteta started. Wenger only had Man U to content with most of the time. The club was a total disaster when Arteta started right from team level to club management level. The whole Pepe fiasco symbolises that. So the first priority was to make the house in order which itself takes some time. Then he had to compete with the ATGs like Guardiolas and Klopps. In his time Liverpool had 2 below par seasons , but there was still Man City. This year both of them are there. In almost 9 years Klopp has only 1 PL title because he had to compete with a winning Man City machine. Still he is an ATG ( in my view better than Pep ). So it would be very unfair on Arteta if we rate him based on the cups he won because he has 2 dinosaurs to deal with. The only guaranteed indicator of his positive influence is to look at how teams respect Arsenal these days and also the team is atleast in contention for cups. Hopefully they will win something..
 
You cannot compare the contexts when Wenger came and when Arteta started. Wenger only had Man U to content with most of the time. The club was a total disaster when Arteta started right from team level to club management level. The whole Pepe fiasco symbolises that. So the first priority was to make the house in order which itself takes some time. Then he had to compete with the ATGs like Guardiolas and Klopps. In his time Liverpool had 2 below par seasons , but there was still Man City. This year both of them are there. In almost 9 years Klopp has only 1 PL title because he had to compete with a winning Man City machine. Still he is an ATG ( in my view better than Pep ). So it would be very unfair on Arteta if we rate him based on the cups he won because he has 2 dinosaurs to deal with. The only guaranteed indicator of his positive influence is to look at how teams respect Arsenal these days and also the team is atleast in contention for cups. Hopefully they will win something..
Every era has had really good sides and if you actually look at back at that point in time people use to say same thing about the major club scooping up the trophies. This notion that teams can't compete and or manager can't do well is nonsense.

Back in late 80s Liverpool were dominating English football, at the time do you think Arsenal went to GG and went oh just try your best because Liverpool and Everton are winning stuff.

Same when Wenger came in united were the dominating force, but Newcastle were a good side back then, Leeds, Liverpool and Chelsea were all competitive between 97 and 2004.

Just because points total of Liverpool and City have been so high fans get carrier away that teams can't compete. Yet if you look across the board in general teams points totals have been higher its all relative to era the teams are in.

Prime example of a elite manager is mourinho, guy came in against Arsenal's invicibles and fergies United and won 2 league titles, so again this notion you can't compete or win is nonsense.

In regards to cups, Arsenal haven't even reached a cup final in 4 seasons, is that all due to Pep and klopp, because teams like Chelsea, united have still managed to get to finals.

So to go to your last 2 points.

Do teams respect Arsenal now? In PL yes, in Europe No as they have been an embarrassment

In regards to cups, Arsenal aren't even competitive, 2 semi finals and no finals in last 4 season including this one, (yes that could change in CL) is embarrassing and nowhere near competitive
 
Every era has had really good sides and if you actually look at back at that point in time people use to say same thing about the major club scooping up the trophies. This notion that teams can't compete and or manager can't do well is nonsense.

Back in late 80s Liverpool were dominating English football, at the time do you think Arsenal went to GG and went oh just try your best because Liverpool and Everton are winning stuff.

Same when Wenger came in united were the dominating force, but Newcastle were a good side back then, Leeds, Liverpool and Chelsea were all competitive between 97 and 2004.

Just because points total of Liverpool and City have been so high fans get carrier away that teams can't compete. Yet if you look across the board in general teams points totals have been higher its all relative to era the teams are in.

Prime example of a elite manager is mourinho, guy came in against Arsenal's invicibles and fergies United and won 2 league titles, so again this notion you can't compete or win is nonsense.

In regards to cups, Arsenal haven't even reached a cup final in 4 seasons, is that all due to Pep and klopp, because teams like Chelsea, united have still managed to get to finals.

So to go to your last 2 points.

Do teams respect Arsenal now? In PL yes, in Europe No as they have been an embarrassment

In regards to cups, Arsenal aren't even competitive, 2 semi finals and no finals in last 4 season including this one, (yes that could change in CL) is embarrassing and nowhere near competitive
Mourinho inherited a newly rich Chelsea who finished second. And he lost to an avg Liverpool side in Europe. He dint win or reach finals in Europe with Chelsea. But that man was a legend. Arteta inherited a team and a club in shambles. Won the FA cup. Climbed up the PL ladder. Just wait whether he can go past the next milestone before making him a failure.
 
Wenger kept in CL and competing at the top for at least 10 years after the invincibles, even though his hands were tied due to the nee stadium and having to balance the books.
Meanwhile, Chelsea had Abromovich who in turn had a manager (Mourinho) who liked to spend his money... then city hit the jackpot...

Wenger upto 2012 was unbelievable as a manager.
 
Mourinho inherited a newly rich Chelsea who finished second. And he lost to an avg Liverpool side in Europe. He dint win or reach finals in Europe with Chelsea. But that man was a legend. Arteta inherited a team and a club in shambles. Won the FA cup. Climbed up the PL ladder. Just wait whether he can go past the next milestone before making him a failure.
I have to agree with you.
We really were struggling as a club until Arteta took over.
 
Mourinho inherited a newly rich Chelsea who finished second. And he lost to an avg Liverpool side in Europe. He dint win or reach finals in Europe with Chelsea. But that man was a legend. Arteta inherited a team and a club in shambles. Won the FA cup. Climbed up the PL ladder. Just wait whether he can go past the next milestone before making him a failure.
Who cares what mourinho inherited, he still was up against wenger and fergie. Your yet another Arteta fan who chooses to make excuses and diminish past managers achievements just to make Arteta look good, it's actually embarrassing.

Artetas biggest cheerleader did exactly same thing diminishing wingers achievements just to push a mediocrity agenda.

Wow Arteta won an FA Cup 4 seasons ago, the fact you ignore 4 seasons since with zero cup finals says it all.

Your yet another fan with excuses.
 
Wenger kept in CL and competing at the top for at least 10 years after the invincibles, even though his hands were tied due to the nee stadium and having to balance the books.
Meanwhile, Chelsea had Abromovich who in turn had a manager (Mourinho) who liked to spend his money... then city hit the jackpot...

Wenger upto 2012 was unbelievable as a manager.
🤣🤦‍♂️ so mourinho only won the league because he had money. What a load of utter nonsense. Mourinho came in and took a Chelsea team with a weak mentality and turned them into winners. Your comments are disingenuous to say the least.

The money Mourinho did spend, he spent well.

We have already seen clubs like Chelsea, united and spurs in last decade spend loads of money and not do well. So this notion that money a lone is key to success its not.

Liverpool competing vs man city, was done on smart transfer strategy as well.
 
Wenger kept in CL and competing at the top for at least 10 years after the invincibles, even though his hands were tied due to the nee stadium and having to balance the books.
Meanwhile, Chelsea had Abromovich who in turn had a manager (Mourinho) who liked to spend his money... then city hit the jackpot...

Wenger upto 2012 was unbelievable as a manager.
Wenger stopped being a good manager in 08/09, club stopped caring about the PL, sacrificed the FA Cup all time just to finish 4th.

Embarrassing way for the club to start acting and the start of the zero accountability and ambition era.

That's carried through to now where fans are happy with winning nothing.
 
Mourinho inherited a newly rich Chelsea who finished second. And he lost to an avg Liverpool side in Europe. He dint win or reach finals in Europe with Chelsea. But that man was a legend. Arteta inherited a team and a club in shambles. Won the FA cup. Climbed up the PL ladder. Just wait whether he can go past the next milestone before making him a failure.
🤣 Mourinho won the CL with porto and also with inter, let's not even go into a managers European pedigree.

You go on about Chelsea losing to an average Liverpool side?

So what are Olympiakos, villareal and sporting Lisbon? Teams Arteta has lost to been embarrassed by 🤣🤦‍♂️🤫
 
🤣 Mourinho won the CL with porto and also with inter, let's not even go into a managers European pedigree.

You go on about Chelsea losing to an average Liverpool side?

So what are Olympiakos, villareal and sporting Lisbon? Teams Arteta has lost to been embarrassed by 🤣🤦‍♂️🤫
Mourinho dint win with Chelsea though.. What happened there? Since he won with Porto did he decide that is enough? You only brought the European cup into discussion.. Mourinho had the pre FFP money, Man U were rebuilding, invincibles were fading out with Viera leaving in 2005 and Bergkamp as well. As soon as Man U came back, Chelsea had no chance. Still i would say Mourinho is a legend. I mentioned all these to prove the point that Mourinho and Arteta are not on the same level of field. If Mourinho had come in 2006 instead of 2004, it would have been similar with Man Utd being the winning machine then.

And ur logic of "Mourinho /Klopp etc won within X years so Arteta has to win in X years " is a laughable logic..By that logic Alonso is already better than Klopp since he is gonna win the league in his first full season.

Each scenarios and contexts are different. What we can only lean on is whether the general play is good and they are competing in cups.
 
Wenger stopped being a good manager in 08/09, club stopped caring about the PL, sacrificed the FA Cup all time just to finish 4th.

Embarrassing way for the club to start acting and the start of the zero accountability and ambition era.

That's carried through to now where fans are happy with winning nothing.
Stop the drivel
 
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Did anyone say Arteta is the best manager in the world?
 
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Yeah there are a few on here calling Arteta best young manager in world and elite!

Embrassement central, shows how poor standards are at club for some fans.

"Oh were competitive"

"Oh big European teams are scared of us"

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
 
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Stop the drivel


You probably watch Rocky 4 again and again thinking Apollo creed does die, that's how you support Arsenal.

Every season same excuse.

"I'll judge them after transfer window"

"I'll judge it after next season"
 
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Yeah there are a few on here calling Arteta best young manager in world and elite!

Embrassement central, shows how poor standards are at club for some fans.

"Oh were competitive"

"Oh big European teams are scared of us"

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
And you say Xavi and Xabi are better.. Different league, different contexts..
 
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Mourinho dint win with Chelsea though.. What happened there? Since he won with Porto did he decide that is enough? You only brought the European cup into discussion.. Mourinho had the pre FFP money, Man U were rebuilding, invincibles were fading out with Viera leaving in 2005 and Bergkamp as well. As soon as Man U came back, Chelsea had no chance. Still i would say Mourinho is a legend. I mentioned all these to prove the point that Mourinho and Arteta are not on the same level of field. If Mourinho had come in 2006 instead of 2004, it would have been similar with Man Utd being the winning machine then.

And ur logic of "Mourinho /Klopp etc won within X years so Arteta has to win in X years " is a laughable logic..By that logic Alonso is already better than Klopp since he is gonna win the league in his first full season.

Each scenarios and contexts are different. What we can only lean on is whether the general play is good and they are competing in cups.
Mourinho and klopp were already proven managers before they came to PL. Klopp had won titles in Germany and got to a CL final, Mourinho proven at porto.

Arteta was a proven cone distributor and half time orange distributor at City.

Like I said people overhyped Arteta achievements when he's had nothing to show for it since winning the FA Cup.

You think anyone looks back in history (apart from spurs fans) to see if there team was competitive or won trophies?

What cups are Arsenal competing in? 🤣🤦‍♂️ no cup finals in 4 seasons, but Arsenal are competing 🤣
 
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And you say Xavi and Xabi are better.. Different league, different contexts..
Yeah they are better.

Alonso has taken a team which has won 2 trophies in its entire history and is 7 points clear in league with a game in hand. Also they are unbeaten this season, so you call Bundesliga inferior etc. To break a German record for most number of games unbeaten in all competitions (previous held by Bayern).

Playing good style of football

Also still in Europe.

Xavi won league in his 1st full season at Barca

Where was Arteta in his 1st full season?

8th
Winning 1 game in 11, losing to Burnley, Leicester and wolves at home
Losing 3 games in a row at home In PL
1st manager to fail to qualify for Europe in 20+ years at Arsenal at end of that season
Embarrassing defeat to Villareal in europa league

There's your context
 
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Supposedly this team is competitive cups, yet you give no examples.

Then you start making excuses to discredit every other manager

It's actually embarrassing that you can't even come up with a meaningful response
 
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The fact that he is comparing Xavi’s first season at Barcelona with Arteta’s first season at Arsenal.

The 22/23 Barcelona team was a thousand times better then the 19/20 or 20/21 Arsenal team that Arteta had in his first season.

Arteta could have very well won the league with the 22/23 Barcelona but Xavi would have struggled badly with that Arsenal team.

His complete lack of appreciation of different contexts and situations says everything.
 
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The fact that he is comparing Xavi’s first season at Barcelona with Arteta’s first season at Arsenal.

The 22/23 Barcelona team was a thousand times better then the 19/20 or 20/21 Arsenal team that Arteta had in his first season.

Arteta could have very well won the league with the 22/23 Barcelona but Xavi would have struggled badly with that Arsenal team.

His complete lack of appreciation of different contexts and situations says everything.

I never compared Xavi’s first season to Arteta’s first season. As things stand, I’m still Arteta in, in case that wasn’t clear to you.

According to you, Nicolas Pepe was one of the hottest assets in Europe when he was signed by Arsenal. His transfer fee + wages has been reported to cost Arsenal over 130m.
 
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I said at start of season Arsenal had to win a major trophy PL or CL or its time to get a new manager in. 4 season without a trophy is a poor return.
 
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I never compared Xavi’s first season to Arteta’s first season. As things stand, I’m still Arteta in, in case that wasn’t clear to you.

According to you, Nicolas Pepe was one of the hottest assets in Europe when he was signed by Arsenal. His transfer fee + wages has been reported to cost Arsenal over 130m.
His continual flip flop comments and caveat disclaimers is just a face saving exercise.
 
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His continual flip flop comments and caveat disclaimers is just a face saving exercise.

If Arsenal do end up falling short this season, I hope he’ll deliver on his promise and come up with a proper apology, which I’m sure will be a great read.
 
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If Arsenal do end up falling short this season, I hope he’ll deliver on his promise and come up with a proper apology, which I’m sure will be a great read.


"Arteta is reason Arsenal fans been disappointing at being trophyless"

"Getting to 1/4 finals is sign of a good sign, Arsenal didn't have any luck"

"We didn't get hammered at eithad, so its an improvement"

"We did better then wenger in europe"
 
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Multiple posters have asked him “what has changed?”

His response:

“I don’t know, different time, different place. A lot change over a period of time”.

“My opinion back then doesn’t matter, what matters is what I believe in now”

You were right about his flip flopping nonsense. It just goes to show he’ll tailor his views for his “audience”.
 
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And i pointed out the flawed logic of winning a trophy in X years since Klopp / Mourinho won in the same X years. You never gave attention to the situation the club and team were in. Then you started your "European" cup theory. So what happened to Mourinho's Chelsea ( remember Chelsea had not won CL ever at that stage ). Then you started Mourinho's Porto stint, also mocking Arsenal for scraping past Porto this time completely forgetting Alonso's Bayer almost soiled their pants against mighty Qarabag... But Bayer doing a Leicester circa 2016 and Xabi is the best. I dont know whether he is or not. But you are ready to put Alonso on the pedestal just to spite Arteta.
 
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And i pointed out the flawed logic of winning a trophy in X years since Klopp / Mouri the same X years. You never gave attention to the situation the club and team were in. Then you started your "European" cup theory. So what happened to Mourinho's Chelsea ( remember Chelsea had not won CL ever at that stage ). Then you started Mourinho's Porto stint, also mocking Arsenal for scraping past Porto this time completely forgetting Alonso's Bayer almost soiled their pants against mighty Qarabag... But Bayer doing a Leicester circa 2016 and Xabi is the best. I dont know whether he is or not. But you are ready to put Alonso on the pedestal just to spite Arteta.

4 seasons rebuild and nothing to show apart from an FA cup with a supposed toxic team. Arteta inherited a team which finished 5th under Emery, so stop acting like Arsenal were relegated or in in league one.

Zero cup finals in Europe and domestically in 4 seasons is atrocious but you think its competitive.

Funny how you ignore fact Leverkusen are unbeaten all season in Germany and in Europe. You dismiss it like its nothing.

Let's not even talk about the europa league and Artetas pathetic record in knockout games.
 
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You didn’t think Arteta would ever be capable of challenging for the title and he proved you wrong.

You didn’t think he was capable of challenging for the title this season and he proved you wrong again.

You don’t think he will ever win the league for Arsenal but you will be wrong again.
 
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Multiple posters have asked him “what has changed?”

His response:

“I don’t know, different time, different place. A lot change over a period of time”.

“My opinion back then doesn’t matter, what matters is what I believe in now”

You were right about his flip flopping nonsense. It just goes to show he’ll tailor his views for his “audience”.
This is a guy that wanted Mourinho as a manager when Emery was sacked. So all this talk about him always wanting Arteta is hilarious.

Now all of a sudden winning CL is not be all and end all.

Also if team falls short of main target for season, 3rd season running its ok.

Atleast have convictions in the so called bhangra hype
 
I would have been happy with Mourinho as a stop gap solution if Arteta wasn’t available in 2019.

I wanted Arteta over the small manager Emery in 2018, but I had my doubts if he would be willing to offer his services again in 2019 after the way the club showed a lack of trust in his abilities and gave preference to Emery, but Arteta showed that he loves Arsenal too much and when you truly love someone or something, you don’t let your ego get in the way.

I think Mourinho would have worked beautifully at Arsenal as well because Arsenal would have given him the platform & the freedom to do his thing, the platform & freedom that he didn’t have at any club post Real Madrid.

Managers don’t get washed up. It is all about given them the right environment to succeed in. Mourinho is still a top manager but he has been very unlucky with the clubs that he managed post Real Madrid.

Mourinho and Arteta were my two choices to replace Emery, and Arsenal wouldn’t have gone wrong with either of them.
 
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4 seasons rebuild and nothing to show apart from an FA cup with a supposed toxic team. Arteta inherited a team which finished 5th under Emery, so stop acting like Arsenal were relegated or in in league one.

Zero cup finals in Europe and domestically in 4 seasons is atrocious but you think its competitive.

Funny how you ignore fact Leverkusen are unbeaten all season in Germany and in Europe. You dismiss it like its nothing.

Let's not even talk about the europa league and Artetas pathetic record in knockout games.
It does not work like that man.. Arteta and Xabi are competing different leagues. And how long do you think Xabi will take to win the EPL? Lets get a ballpark year..
 
4 seasons rebuild and nothing to show apart from an FA cup with a supposed toxic team. Arteta inherited a team which finished 5th under Emery, so stop acting like Arsenal were relegated or in in league one.

Zero cup finals in Europe and domestically in 4 seasons is atrocious but you think its competitive.

Funny how you ignore fact Leverkusen are unbeaten all season in Germany and in Europe. You dismiss it like its nothing.

Let's not even talk about the europa league and Artetas pathetic record in knockout games.
Arteta inherited a team which was 10th and on a freefall in Dec 2019. So stop mixing facts..
 
It does not work like that man.. Arteta and Xabi are competing different leagues. And how long do you think Xabi will take to win the EPL? Lets get a ballpark year..
What if Alonso doesn't come to PL and goes to la liga or stays in Germany. You going to keep making excuses
 
Arteta inherited a team which was 10th and on a freefall in Dec 2019. So stop mixing facts..
Emery finished 5th in his only full season thats a fact, so stop talking nonsense.

Also when Emery was sacked season after Arteta still had plenty of time to turn the season around.

Klopp took over Liverpool in similar circumstances and turned Liverpool round quicker.

Emery has turned villa around from a worse position.
 
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Emery finished 5th in his only full season thats a fact, so stop talking nonsense.

Also when Emery was sacked season after Arteta still had plenty of time to turn the season around.

Klopp took over Liverpool in similar circumstances and turned Liverpool round quicker.

Emery has turned villa around from a worse position.
Klopp took over in October when Liverpool were on 10th and took them to 8th. Arteta took Arsenal from 10th to 7th..
 
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Klopp took over in October when Liv were on 10th and took them to 8th. Arteta took Arsenal from 10th to 7th.. What are you smoking dude !!!! You are being exposed here..
Klopp got Liverpool into the CL in his 1st full season after. Its toom Arteta 3 season to do so.

Only person being exposed you and your nonsense.

Similarly Emery is likely to finish higher in his 1st full season at Villa then Arteta pathetic 8th position.
 
He is right.

I would have been happy with Mourinho as a stop gap solution if Arteta wasn’t available in 2019.

I wanted Arteta over the small manager Emery in 2018, but I had my doubts if he would be willing to offer his services again in 2019 after the way the club showed a lack of trust in his abilities and gave preference to Emery, but Arteta showed that he loves Arsenal too much and when you truly love someone or something, you don’t let your ego get in the way.

I think Mourinho would have worked beautifully at Arsenal as well because Arsenal would have given him the platform & the freedom to do his thing, the platform & freedom that he didn’t have at any club post Real Madrid.

Managers don’t get washed up. It is all about given them the right environment to succeed in. Mourinho is still a top manager but he has been very unlucky with the clubs that he managed post Real Madrid.

Mourinho and Arteta were my two choices to replace Emery, and Arsenal wouldn’t have gone wrong with either of them.

Managers do get washed up. It’s the very reason why Mourinho has gone from coaching peak Chelsea and Madrid to coaching Spurs and Roma, who sacked him two months ago.

If he’s not washed up, he’ll be in demand by top clubs even as a “stop gap solution”, as you say. But we all know no top club will pursue him.

If we had Mourinho at Arsenal, he would destroyed us within by his toxic hard handed approach and left us with an even bigger mess than the one left by Wenger.

Along with Pepe, Zinchenko, this has to be classed another gem of yours.
 
Klopp took over in October when Liv were on 10th and took them to 8th. Arteta took Arsenal from 10th to 7th.. What are you smoking dude !!!! You are being exposed here..
Arsenal never finished 7th under Arteta. Stop lying and making things up.

Arsenal finished 8th twice under Arteta
 
Managers do get washed up. It’s the very reason why Mourinho has gone from coaching peak Chelsea and Madrid to coaching Spurs and Roma, who sacked him two months ago.

If he’s not washed up, he’ll be in demand by top clubs even as a “stop gap solution”, as you say. But we all know no top club will pursue him.

If we had Mourinho at Arsenal, he would destroyed us within by his toxic hard handed approach and left us with an even bigger mess than the one left by Wenger.

Along with Pepe, Zinchenko, this has to be classed another gem of yours.
Arsenal had the option of Allegri and Ancelotti as well, remember that Ancelotti took over at Everton a few days After Arteta did at Arsenal. Both managers were in the stands for the game between the two sides before each one took the respective jobs.

Arsenal owners never wanted a big name manager as at the time they had no real interest in being Ambitious.
 
Arsenal had the option of Allegri and Ancelotti as well, remember that Ancelotti took over at Everton a few days After Arteta did at Arsenal. Both managers were in the stands for the game between the two sides before each one took the respective jobs.

Arsenal owners never wanted a big name manager as at the time they had no real interest in being Ambitious.

I remember very well and I actually wanted Ancelotti because of his proven track record.

I learnt something new today. Apparently a manager can never get washed up. In that case, I guess we should reappoint Wenger, if Arteta fails at Arsenal. 🤣
 
I remember very well and I actually wanted Ancelotti because of his proven track record.

I learnt something new today. Apparently a manager can never get washed up. In that case, I guess we should reappoint Wenger, if Arteta fails at Arsenal. 🤣
Might aswell as see if GG is available as well 🤣.

Mourinho was done after his 2nd spell at Chelsea, the fact he refused to get with the times and evolve, same thing happened to wenger when all he cared about was top 4
 
Managers do get washed up. It’s the very reason why Mourinho has gone from coaching peak Chelsea and Madrid to coaching Spurs and Roma, who sacked him two months ago.

If he’s not washed up, he’ll be in demand by top clubs even as a “stop gap solution”, as you say. But we all know no top club will pursue him.

If we had Mourinho at Arsenal, he would destroyed us within by his toxic hard handed approach and left us with an even bigger mess than the one left by Wenger.

Along with Pepe, Zinchenko, this has to be classed another gem of yours.
Managers don’t get washed up, your brain and knowledge of football and tactics are always there with you. It all depends on what environment you are working in.

Top clubs are staying away from Mourinho not because he is not viewed as good enough but because he has a reputation of creating rifts in the dressing room and he ends up at loggerheads with the owners.

But Arsenal operates differently than other clubs. They give the manager time and control. They prefer stability over short-term results.

The only exception was Emery who was sacked after a year because the club realized that he didn’t have the chops to manage a big club and they were right in his assessment.

Mourinho would have enjoyed working at Arsenal, at least much more than he enjoyed working at United and Spurs.

You said your preference was Ancelotti, but you need to understand that Ancelotti is a cup manager. He is a glorified Rafa Benitez.

He has managed elite clubs in Europe for 20+ years and has just 5 league titles to show for.

He knows how to win knockout games but he is very average at winning leagues and sustaining consistent performances over the course of a season.

Arsenal might have picked up an FA Cup or a Europa League with him but he wouldn’t have frigging clue about how to revive Arsenal in the league from the situation that they were in in December 2019.

There is no absolutely no doubt that Arsenal would not have mounted the title challenges in the last two seasons if Ancelotti was appointed instead of Arteta.

Ancelotti and Arsenal were a terrible fit because he is not the guy who can take on a struggling side and do a rebuild job.

Moreover, as far as Zinchenko is concerned, you need to understand the signings of Zinchenko and Jesus leveled Arsenal up from a top four contender to a title contender.

Arsenal would have not challenged for the title last season with Tierney at LB. Zinchenko’s passing range and his ability to invert helped Arsenal build from the back and took their attacking formations to a new level.

Can he be sold this summer for a fair price? Yes because Arsenal signed Timber who is younger and has similar attacking characteristics and ability to invert but he is a better defender.

You always have to keep looking for better players than what you have currently to keep getting better. SAF replaced RVN with Saha when RVN was still in his prime but he realized that Ronaldo and Rooney had better chemistry with Saha.

Just because Zinchenko can be sold this summer doesn’t mean he is not a good player and doesn’t mean he was not a good signing. He was a really effective signing and helped Arsenal level up.

As far as Pepe is concerned, he was clearly one of the hottest properties in Europe at the time and he was a very good signing.

Just because it didn’t work out for him and his career fell off doesn’t me a that he wasn’t a good signing at the time and doesn’t mean that his career wouldn’t have taken off had he joined a different club.

Sometimes, a player is not the right fit for a club or the club is not the right fit for the player or it is just bad timing. There are so many variables that influence the success and failure of a signing.

But this what zero ball knowledge fans like yourself don’t understand. This is why the likes of you ran your mouths against Havertz and didn’t give him a chance before he proved you wrong and showed that he is still a very good player and Arsenal were right to sign him.

Arsenal signed not for the propels that he had at Chelsea but for the player he can become at Arsenal and he is now repaying the faith.

Pepe hadd 23 goals and 11 assists in 18/19 and Arsenal needed a quality winger. He was the right option to invest in but Emery couldn’t utilize him and find a system that worked for him and by the time Arteta replaced Emery, Pepe’s confidence was shattered and also, Saka had emerged and everyone at the club knew that he had higher potential than Pepe.

If it wasn’t for the rise of Saka, there is a good chance that a brilliant manager like Arteta would have made things work for Pepe just like he has made things work for Havertz.

One bad move can make or break the careers of a player and build a narrative around that player. It is the brutal nature of football.

If you roll back the clock and go back to summer of 2019 and have Pepe sign for some other club and he might still be one of the hottest properties in football.

There are so many examples in football of top players ruining their careeers with one bad move. Let me give you a lesson in football by naming a few off the top of my head:

1. Coutinho: one of the best attacking midfielders in the PL entering the prime years of his career signed for Barcelona and his career never recovered. Today, in his prime years, he is plying his trade in the Qatari league.

2. James Rodriguez: Took the world by storm at the 2014 World Cup, a player of great potential killed his career off by signing for Madrid when they didn’t need a player like him and today in his prime years, he is playing in Brazil.

3. Mateja Kezman: a phenomenal talent who could have been a legendary striker signed for Mourinho’s Chelsea in 2004 and him and Mourinho were a terrible fit for each other. His career never recovered.

Things could have been so different for him had SAF or Wenger got their hands on him in 2004 instead of Mourinho, but football is full of these ifs and buts and harsh realities.

It doesn’t mean that those signings should not have been made at the time and clubs were wrong to invest them. As I said, so many things can influence a transfer. Wrong club, wrong manager, wrong time, wrong environment etc.
 
If Arsenal do end up falling short this season, I hope he’ll deliver on his promise and come up with a proper apology, which I’m sure will be a great read.
He already lied and said he's not apologising, which was to be expected.

A leopard never changes its spots.

No harm in having faith in a player or manager, but this new breed of fans putting players and managers on pedestals above the club, just shows how a lack of success plays on people's minds.

Pretty much every season I will give an honest assessment on where I think a player, manager, team etc.. should improve. Every fan has right to demand better of the team you support.

But those that make statements and back track are clearly just doing it for attention and click bait.
 
He already lied and said he's not apologising, which was to be expected.

A leopard never changes its spots.

No harm in having faith in a player or manager, but this new breed of fans putting players and managers on pedestals above the club, just shows how a lack of success plays on people's minds.

Pretty much every season I will give an honest assessment on where I think a player, manager, team etc.. should improve. Every fan has right to demand better of the team you support.

But those that make statements and back track are clearly just doing it for attention and click bait.

He never wanted Arteta to take over from Emery. He wanted washed up Mourinho instead :ROFLMAO:

What's funny is he keeps reminding us of how we have "zero ball knowledge" but I think most people in the football threads have sussed out that what he's saying is just a reflection of himself. Genius 👏 :ROFLMAO:
 
He never wanted Arteta to take over from Emery. He wanted washed up Mourinho instead :ROFLMAO:

What's funny is he keeps reminding us of how we have "zero ball knowledge" but I think most people in the football threads have sussed out that what he's saying is just a reflection of himself. Genius 👏 :ROFLMAO:
The ball knowledge comment is hilarious, from a poster who when he gets something wrong he runs and hides. A lack of balls for fight, so he's the one with zero ball knowledge
 
Arteta must win PL or CL this year to be discussed as a great manager .

If not maybe another season for him & then replace with Alonso if he’s available.

Not sure on today’s selection . Musiala will be all over Jorginho, I would have started Party , physically take Bayern totally out the game . Let’s see
 
Arteta must win PL or CL this year to be discussed as a great manager .

If not maybe another season for him & then replace with Alonso if he’s available.

Not sure on today’s selection . Musiala will be all over Jorginho, I would have started Party , physically take Bayern totally out the game . Let’s see
Arteta has to win the PL/CL more than once to prove this season isn't a fluke (If Arsenal win the PL).
 
Arteta has to win the PL/CL more than once to prove this season isn't a fluke (If Arsenal win the PL).

A big task …. Champions league is different gravy , you have to be a great historic team or have 3-4 atgs or a miracle of Istanbul type , beating arguably a top 3 goat club team with mostly average skilled players.

Arteta has done well this season but his team don’t have a signature style of playing. When things get tough against pedigree teams or under pressure his teams have struggled.

Let’s see if he can change things at half time .
 
Arteta must win PL or CL this year to be discussed as a great manager .

If not maybe another season for him & then replace with Alonso if he’s available.

Not sure on today’s selection . Musiala will be all over Jorginho, I would have started Party , physically take Bayern totally out the game . Let’s see
Winning 1 PL or CL is not a great manager.

Di matteo won 1 CL with Chelsea is he great?

Raneri, Mancini, pellegrini etc.. won 1 PL title and are not great either..

People need to stop using the word "great" when they don't know what it actually means.
 
Winning 1 PL or CL is not a great manager.

Di matteo won 1 CL with Chelsea is he great?

Raneri, Mancini, pellegrini etc.. won 1 PL title and are not great either..

People need to stop using the word "great" when they don't know what it actually means.

In this era it is , you’ve won both of the 2 biggest prizes up against strong teams . It took Pep years . CL is very tough to win , there is always 2-3 great teams to beat in a row. If Arteta wins 2024 CL it’s a huge achievement. Most managers now don’t last more than 5 years now
 
Arteta has to win the PL/CL more than once to prove this season isn't a fluke (If Arsenal win the PL).
Technics in 2020:

Arteta should be sacked because Arsenal will not fight for the title under him.

Technics in 2023:

Arsenal’s title challenge was a fluke. They will be back fighting for a top 4 in 2023-2024.

Technics in 2024:

Arteta has to win the league twice to prove that this season isn’t a fluke because Technics is scared that Arsenal will win the league this season.

This is what happens when you are ignorant and are driving an agenda but cannot admit that you got proved wrong.

This is extremely entertaining. Keep going.
 
A big task …. Champions league is different gravy , you have to be a great historic team or have 3-4 atgs or a miracle of Istanbul type , beating arguably a top 3 goat club team with mostly average skilled players.

Arteta has done well this season but his team don’t have a signature style of playing. When things get tough against pedigree teams or under pressure his teams have struggled.

Let’s see if he can change things at half time .
4 points of both City and Liverpool.

What you are describing is Liverpool this season.
 
Arteta must win PL or CL this year to be discussed as a great manager .

If not maybe another season for him & then replace with Alonso if he’s available.
Please stop playing football manager.

Alonso gave Liverpool, his former club, the finger and you think he would be willing to come to Arsenal (not that Arsenal need him because Arteta is better anyway).

Alonso will replace Ancelotti at Madrid. That is what he is waiting for.
 
4 points of both City and Liverpool.

What you are describing is Liverpool this season.

CL pressure in knockout stages is not league football . Arsenal have a history of this , Bayern are a 4th-6th place PL team but Arsenal making daft mistakes tonight .

Arteta brings on Zinch , Bayern wingers will skin him . Let’s hope Arteta isn’t feeling the pressure too
 
In this era it is , you’ve won both of the 2 biggest prizes up against strong teams . It took Pep years . CL is very tough to win , there is always 2-3 great teams to beat in a row. If Arteta wins 2024 CL it’s a huge achievement. Most managers now don’t last more than 5 years now
Doesn't matter what era it is, winning 1 CL and 1 PL only is not a great manager, only reason your using that yardstick measure is to essentially defend klopp.

I can see straight through you. Like I said stop using the word "great" in poor context.

CL is a cup competition and pretty much all way through since it was expanded in mid 90s has had tough teams to beat. Let's stop this nonsense that current era has some sort of greater quality then ant other time in history's.

Like I said Di matteo won a CL and has say number as klopp.

In same way plenty of managers have won a single PL title and that isn't greatness.
 
CL pressure in knockout stages is not league football . Arsenal have a history of this , Bayern are a 4th-6th place PL team but Arsenal making daft mistakes tonight .

Arteta brings on Zinch , Bayern wingers will skin him . Let’s hope Arteta isn’t feeling the pressure too
Arteta’s mistake was not starting Zinchenko over Kiwior today. Bayern wingers have already done all the skinning that they needed to do.

Kiwior has zero ability on the ball. Arsenal should be more incisive in the second half with Zinchenko helping them build from the back.
 
Arteta’s mistake was not starting Zinchenko over Kiwior today. Bayern wingers have already done all the skinning that they needed to do.

Kiwior has zero ability on the ball. Arsenal should be more incisive in the second half with Zinchenko helping them build from the back.

His mistake was not starting Trossard . Havertz will have the odd little run but he’s not a finisher . Bayern are going to score more at home , Arsenal to match them . Oh well you’re still strong favourites to win the league .
 
His mistake was not starting Trossard . Havertz will have the odd little run but he’s not a finisher . Bayern are going to score more at home , Arsenal to match them . Oh well you’re still strong favourites to win the league .
Trossard should have started over Brazilian Walcott (Martinelli) and should start over him in all important games.

Martinelli should be used in such matches as a late impact sub.
 
His mistake was not starting Trossard . Havertz will have the odd little run but he’s not a finisher . Bayern are going to score more at home , Arsenal to match them . Oh well you’re still strong favourites to win the league .
His mistake was tactically setting up thinking he was playing Burnley or sheff utd at home. Playing a high line, trying to press and win the ball high up and keep opposition penned in.

1) Bayern have better technical players then Arsenal
2) Bayern exposed the tactics with quick balls over top for their quick wingers
3) Bayern gave up possession in game. Then just wait to break passes in Arsenal transition knowing they had pace and passing to punch holes in Arsenals lack of shape

Arsenal got to wrapped up in PL form and though they were going to smash Bayern like some bottom half PL team

Naivety from the manager yet again in Europe and from the team.

But ul get some attention seeker trying to troll and deflect action from a poor team performance from manager and entire 11.
 
Whenever I see people downplaying Arteta's achievements by continuously raising the bar in terms of what's considered "good/great", it just reminds me of how greedy and ungrateful people can get.

He's taken a team from pretty much complete irrelevance to competing against two of the best managers the league has ever seen. Going toe to toe against them while playing exceptional football. Nurturing a core group of young players into realizing their full potential. Even if he didn't win the league, he's still the only manager to compete against both Klopp and Pep in a genuine title race for two seasons in a row. He may not be the world's best manager but if I was an Arsenal fan, I would be thanking my lucky stars to have him as a manager.

And competing in Europe is no easy task, especially for a team like Arsenal who have barely played in the Champions League and even the Europa League in the last few years. Of course it will take time to establish the team as a serious contender in the UCL. Even City took a while before they started reaching the latter stages consistently.
 
Oh dear certain 🤡 calling Arteta great, he's tactical disaster class has just gift wrapped City the title.

I suggest you start writing your apology message as Arsenal have bottled it under this manager again.

Worse thing is Emery schooled Arteta twice this season.

You should learn to 🤫
 
This is why I don't rate this manager.

Once again at pressure end of season he makes weird decisions.

Today was worst we looked defensively in a long time.

Why because Zinchenko was back in side. Havertz in midfield doesn't work and we got over run in 2nd half

Jesus is just another lacazette.

We were playing well with a changed system since start of year and Arteta does what he did end of last season and Carry passengers in team in Jesus and Zinchenko

This is why Arsensl will keep falling short under this manager, he simply can't handle the end of season pressure

All the 🤡 using the word great, you clearly don't know what the word means
 
This is why I don't rate this manager.

Once again at pressure end of season he makes weird decisions.

Today was worst we looked defensively in a long time.

Why because Zinchenko was back in side. Havertz in midfield doesn't work and we got over run in 2nd half

Jesus is just another lacazette.

We were playing well with a changed system since start of year and Arteta does what he did end of last season and Carry passengers in team in Jesus and Zinchenko

This is why Arsensl will keep falling short under this manager, he simply can't handle the end of season pressure

All the 🤡 using the word great, you clearly don't know what the word means
It is a bit early for you to bring your party crackers. I know you have been praying for an Arsenal loss for months and your prayers were finally answered today. Who needs haters when you have got fans like yourself who get a kick out of Arsenal losing.
 
It's a forgone conclusion - Brit EPL / Arsenal fans know more about Football compared to a Pakistani Arsenal fan who just thrives on controversy so that he can be accepted by Brits over a league he has never rated.

Well, last season the wheels started falling off after week 31 for Arsenal and the same has happened this season.

The real question is whether Arteta will commit himself to Arsenal after flunking this season, again, because as it stands, it is Arteta who displays zero ball knowledge while carrying an empty bag.

Arteta is done. This is his peak - bottler.
 
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It's a forgone conclusion - Brit EPL / Arsenal fans know more about Football compared to a Pakistani Arsenal fan who just thrives on controversy so that he can be accepted by Brits over a league he has never rated.

Well, last season the wheels started falling off after week 31 for Arsenal and the same has happened this season.

The real question is whether Arteta will commit himself to Arsenal after flunking this season, again, because as it stands, it is Arteta who displays zero ball knowledge while carrying an empty bag.

Arteta is done. This is his peak - bottler.

Yep good point, it was week 31-33 last year & now again. At this stage Arteta wants to be like Pep , show his tactical genius, make changes in team & also play … but again backfired.

He will do something strange again in Munich next week .
 
It's a forgone conclusion - Brit EPL / Arsenal fans know more about Football compared to a Pakistani Arsenal fan who just thrives on controversy so that he can be accepted by Brits over a league he has never rated.

Well, last season the wheels started falling off after week 31 for Arsenal and the same has happened this season.

The real question is whether Arteta will commit himself to Arsenal after flunking this season, again, because as it stands, it is Arteta who displays zero ball knowledge while carrying an empty bag.

Arteta is done. This is his peak - bottler.
I said it at start of season that ultimately managers who want to challenge, they are judged on how they handle the end of season pressure.

I could see Arteta was doing exactly what Claudio Raneri did at Chelsea, tinkering to much when it's not required. Also inability to manage squad in different competitions at back end of the season.

This is 4th season now where flat rudderless performances have come a long at pressure end of season. The manager tactically, the players and the mentality have been found wanting
 
I said it at start of season that ultimately managers who want to challenge, they are judged on how they handle the end of season pressure.

I could see Arteta was doing exactly what Claudio Raneri did at Chelsea, tinkering to much when it's not required. Also inability to manage squad in different competitions at back end of the season.

This is 4th season now where flat rudderless performances have come a long at pressure end of season. The manager tactically, the players and the mentality have been found wanting
Yup, it is either Throttle or Bottle in the later stages of the season.

I still maintain that lackluster performances of Man U & Chelsea have considerably helped mask Arteta's inept management and inability to handle pressure during wks 30 to 38, let alone the Champions League.

Arteta is no doubt thinking about other career options right now.
 
I still maintain that lackluster performances of Man U & Chelsea have considerably helped mask Arteta's inept management
You can “maintain” your ignorance all you want but I will also “maintain” my decision to take you to school on this over and over again.

Man United and Chelsea were in a better position than Arsenal when Arteta took over. In this period, both have spent more money than Arsenal on transfers and yet, today, Arsenal is in a far stronger position.

The only difference is that none of these clubs have had a manager like Arteta in this period who had the ability to identify the weak areas of the team, sign players to plug those gaps and improve the players.

Arteta is the only reason Arsenal are where they are and United/Chelsea are where they are. The only difference between the three clubs in this period is the fact that only Arsenal have had a quality manager.

We must give great credit to the board for identifying Arteta as the right man to the club forward. They botched it in 2018 by opting for Emery but they wasted no time in rectifying their mistake once they realized that Emery was incapable of taking Arsenal to the top.

Arsenal could have easily found themselves in a situation where they would have had 2-3 different managers in the last four years and there would be no progression, just like what we have seen at United and Chelsea.
 
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