Australia beat New Zealand in 1st Test by 208 runs

[ChachaCricket]

Very little for the bowlers on offer in terms of seam movement and comes on nicely to the bat.

Yeah this isn't New Zealand or England. What were you expecting?

How about NZ bowlers aren't good enough to take advantage of the bounce?

 

[khalil1986]

Very little for the bowlers on offer in terms of seam movement and comes on nicely to the bat.

When you bowl rubbish you can hardly blame the pitch, besides Southee the rest have been absolutely rubbish.

 

[dashing_man]

What excuse? Aus are a better side in these conditions?

you said New Zealand already should look for the rain factor and draw this game. What is this tactic ? You're saying New Zealand going in a Test match and after 2 sessions look into Drawing the game )

Australia are a better side at home but Teams like England, Pakistan and South Africa have given them harder times.

 

[Aman]

When you bowl rubbish you can hardly blame the pitch, besides Southee the rest have been absolutely rubbish.

Boult looks underdone but he looked better in his second spell, Craig and the others well ....you would expect this from them.

 

[dashing_man]

Very little for the bowlers on offer in terms of seam movement and comes on nicely to the bat.

and on the same pitch MJ, Starc and Hazlewood will find movement.

 

[dashing_man]

Boult looks underdone but he looked better in his second spell, Craig and the others well ....you would expect this from them.

the same Craig who ripped apart india line up a year ago

 

[khalil1986]

Boult looks underdone but he looked better in his second spell, Craig and the others well ....you would expect this from them.

That's why I find it strange you are saying pitch is rubbish.

Craig as a finger spinner is a joke, leggies in club cricket land more balls than this guy.

 

[Aman]

That's why I find it strange you are saying pitch is rubbish.

Craig as a finger spinner is a joke, leggies in club cricket land more balls than this guy.

The pitch is rubbish because it makes for very boring cricket. I'd take games of 300 v 300, than 500 v 500 or one sided games.

I know Aussie wickets have always been flat, but I expected more after all that talk in the lead up to the game talking about there being something for the bowlers.

 

[khalil1986]

The pitch is rubbish because it makes for very boring cricket.

I know Aussie wickets have always been flat, but I expected more after all that talk in the lead up to the game talking about there being something for the bowlers.

From what I have seen there is a little bit in the pitch if you bowl good lines as the burns wicket showed.

 

[hussain.r97]

Keeps it tight, Henry would have bowled back of length rubbish and gone for 4-5 an over

lol Khawaja looking comfortable out there too.

Aussies will likely be more difficult for our batsmen as they're quicker and can use the bounce more effectively..

Fair point, but Southee and Boult can already keep it tight. Bracewell doesn't bring much to the table IMO, not really that quick, and not a big swinger of the ball either.

Don't you think they should have selected someone capable of bowling quick, and heavy? If only Adam Milne wasn't an absolute twig.

 

[Aman]

From what I have seen there is a little bit in the pitch if you bowl good lines as the burns wicket showed.

As convict said, the ball only swings at the Gabba when it's overcast.

 

[Aman]

Fair point, but Southee and Boult can already keep it tight. Bracewell doesn't bring much to the table IMO, not really that quick, and not a big swinger of the ball either.

Don't you think they should have selected someone capable of bowling quick, and heavy? If only Adam Milne wasn't an absolute twig.

There is no one else, these are the best we have unfortunately.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Warner, whattay champ he is.

 

[dashing_man]

As convict said, the ball only swings at the Gabba when it's overcast.

this bowling attack defeated Pakistan in UAE last year where there's no swing or any overcast conditions.

 

[Aman]

this bowling attack defeated Pakistan in UAE last year where there's no swing or any overcast conditions.

You gave away 7 wickets to Craig.

 

[Aman]

To the credit to the Aussies, they batted really well in that first hour.

 

[hussain.r97]

There is no one else, these are the best we have unfortunately.

Boult needs to learn how to bowl on flat tracks. He's a quality bowler, but that is one respect he can certainly work on. This is a dimension this side is lacking.

 

[Aman]

Boult needs to learn how to bowl on flat tracks. He's a quality bowler, but that is one respect he can certainly work on. This is a dimension this side is lacking.

I don't know, get the feeling our players are better off playing this like death overs in an ODI and bowling variations and hoping the batsmen make a mistake.

 

[Convict]

The wicket has plenty of bounce on offer for bowlers that can exploit it

 

[Justcrazy]

305 / 1

Very good foundation for Aussies.

 

[Aman]

Our bowling attack is one dimensional, without swing our bowlers struggle.

I hope the selectors get serious about introducing Milne to the Test setup and get rid of Craig who is only in the side because of his batting.

 

[Gilly]

This must be a great day for the Kiwi supporters, not once have their players tried to unsettle the batsmen and have let them concentrate on building good scores. Their players got to applaud Warner for scoring a hundred and may even get to applaud his double hundred so all in all a great day for NZ. What more could the NZ supporters ask for, a really nice match.

 

[Convict]

Threw it away Warner but it was a great catch.

Good innings though

This must be a great day for the Kiwi supporters, not once have their players tried to unsettle the batsmen and have let them concentrate on building good scores. Their players got to applaud Warner for scoring a hundred and may even get to applaud his double hundred so all in all a great day for NZ. What more could the NZ supporters ask for, a really nice match.

Do you know if they're doing one of those charity things where they donate money for every 6 or for every century made?

Could be some good money raised for charity today.

 

[Justcrazy]

Neesham strikes

 

[ChachaCricket]

Congrats to Warner for batting 2+ sessions and playing more than 200 balls. I think he is officially a test opener now.

 

[Aman]

Aus may be 300/2 but at least we've ensured a decent run for Khawaja and Burns

 

[Justcrazy]

NZ need a few more wickets before close.

 

[Convict]

Aus may be 300/2 but at least we've ensured a decent run for Khawaja and Burns

You did however undo the hard work you did feeding Finch a 280

 

[Aman]

I bowl better off spin than Craig, no joke.

 

[Justcrazy]

runs coming easily

 

[Convict]

As a spinner getting beaten up by Khawaja is pretty bad

 

[Nikhil_cric]

What a performance by OZ. Absolutely bullying EnZed here.

 

[Slog]

Goody two shoes Kiwi team is taking a pounding. No respite

 

[Convict]

Poor overrate

 

[Convict]

Good century Uzzie!

 

[Random Aussie]

This is terrible bowling

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Ton for khwaja. More pain for NZ.

 

[walashi]

Im pre sure this game is gonna end up in draw. Brisbane forecast not looking good

 

[Random Aussie]

Well done Usmanbhai

 

[filthyfulltoss]

what's so special about boult. I've seen old Razzaq bowl faster. Utter garbage.

 

[Aman]

Almost 400 runs scored in a day, we should be embarrassed.

I haven't seen a side bowl so badly in a days cricket.

 

[Aman]

what's so special about boult. I've seen old Razzaq bowl faster. Utter garbage.

Terribly over rated on PP and in the cricket world.

He has no ability to run through a side and can't sustain a threatening level of pace for long.

Bowling at less than ~130kph after 16 overs isn't good enough.

Southee has bowled well, the rest should be embarrassed with themselves.

As for Craig, frankly we would have probably done better if he was left at the team hotel and played with 10.

 

[filthyfulltoss]

Terribly over rated on PP and world cricket.

He has no ability to run through a side and can't sustain a threatening level of pace for long.

Difference between him and Southee has really been telling this match

 

[Aman]

Difference between him and Southee has really been telling this match

Southee has surprised me, he's inconsistent but he's done well here.

 

[Aman]

I hope we do bat well and draw the match, maybe then the Aussies will look to prepare better wickets.

 

[London_Lahori]

Lmao at the score!

 

[Pantani]

2/389 at stumps.

Tell me more about how NZ are a better team than Australia I wonder what excuse the likes of Junaids and Aman will come up with now. Probably some whining about the flat pitch. Newsflash: 90% of today's pitches worldwide are flat roads. If your team can't play on them then they're no good.

From the little bit I watched of the evening session, NZ have got a real problem on their hands. Their seamers are trundling in at the low 130s and Craig can't keep it tight or look threatening. I guess we all should have seen this coming after the 503 run opening stand the other day.

 

[Aman]

2/389 at stumps.

Tell me more about how NZ are a better team than Australia I wonder what excuse the likes of Junaids and Aman will come up with now. Probably some whining about the flat pitch. Newsflash: 90% of today's pitches worldwide are flat roads. If your team can't play on them then they're no good.

From the little bit I watched of the evening session, NZ have got a real problem on their hands. Their seamers are trundling in at the low 130s and Craig can't keep it tight or look threatening. I guess we all should have seen this coming after the 503 run opening stand the other day.

It's only day 1 of the series.

 

[Pantani]

As a spinner getting beaten up by Khawaja is pretty bad

My last memory of Usman Khawaja was him looking utterly clueless against Graeme Swann coming round the wicket. He looked in total command today, slapped Craig around with contemptuous ease.

 

[trogger]

Going to be hard for us to get 20 wickets with the weather as well.

 

[Aman]

Going to be hard for us to get 20 wickets with the weather as well.

Only two results now, there's no way NZ can take 20 wickets to win even with 10 days play.

 

[Pantani]

It's only day 1 of the series.

Sure, but you won't find a more shambolic day's cricket played again in this series.

You're a very good poster, actually. It's Junaids who likes to pass off his opinions as facts.

 

[Aman]

With all that whining done.

Credit to Aus on the dominant day, they've shut us out of the game after a days play.

 

[Aman]

Sure, but you won't find a more shambolic day's cricket played again in this series.

You're a very good poster, actually. It's Junaids who likes to pass off his opinions as facts.

Hope you're right, but knowing our batting, I'd back them to roll over for nothing and lose it in 3 days.

 

[Pantani]

Hope you're right, but knowing our batting, I'd back them to roll over for nothing and lose it in 3 days.

What kind of form are the batsmen in? The bowlers look really out of sorts. Even if they aren't getting their lines and lengths right, at least if they were bowling at their best pace then there would be a little bit of confidence.

 

[zabalestmsm]

Why would anyone select a spinner averaging in the 40s in FC? Lol. Are the selectors so naive?

 

[zabalestmsm]

I expect a draw until and unless Australia collapses dramatically in the 3rd innings.

 

[Pantani]

Why would anyone select a spinner averaging in the 40s in FC? Lol. Are the selectors so naive?

Australian and NZ spinners seem to perform really poorly in FC cricket. Nathan Lyon has an FC average pushing close to 40, I think.

 

[Haroon786]

Well done Usmanbhai

Does he have a beard ?

 

[Random Aussie]

Does he have a beard ?

Not yet

 

[trogger]

I expect a draw until and unless Australia collapses dramatically in the 3rd innings.

They are forecasting 90% chance of showers for some of the days, when they have done that forecast here recently it's basically been overcast and raining all day so i doubt even some odd batting collapse from us would give the kiwis a chance.

Weather will wipe out a fair chunk of this test.

 

[Haroon786]

Not yet

Doesn't count then [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

 

[trogger]

Australian and NZ spinners seem to perform really poorly in FC cricket. Nathan Lyon has an FC average pushing close to 40, I think.

I think it was as high as 45 when he made his test debut, he then got sanga first ball in tests and took a 5 for...easy game test cricket.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Aussies plundering runs in home comforts, in these conditions they are a match for anyone, tough start for kiwis.

 

[Adil_94]

The Gabba dries quickly and for time zone reasons ( for Sydney and Melbourne TV) play is scheduled 10-5 each day, so an extra hour of light is available if required.

I anticipate a 300 over match instead of 450 overs.

The danger might be of getting carried away with cloud cover, bowling first, not taking enough wickets while the Kookaburra moves for 20 overs, then being smashed until a second new ball at 320-3.

Pretty good prediction


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[Junaids]

2/389 at stumps.

Tell me more about how NZ are a better team than Australia I wonder what excuse the likes of Junaids and Aman will come up with now. Probably some whining about the flat pitch. Newsflash: 90% of today's pitches worldwide are flat roads. If your team can't play on them then they're no good.

From the little bit I watched of the evening session, NZ have got a real problem on their hands. Their seamers are trundling in at the low 130s and Craig can't keep it tight or look threatening. I guess we all should have seen this coming after the 503 run opening stand the other day.

Just got back, but it followed my 3-320 script that I outlined at the start of the thread. My observations?

1. The pitch has bounce but no pace and no grass, so there is no deviation off the seam.

2. It barely swung all day, even though it is really muggy here.

3. Apart from Southee, all the bowlers looked underdone.

4. McCullum's fields, like at Lords, were far too attacking and inflated the scoring rate. Once is bad luck, twice is surprising, and if it happens again the ICC really should get the ACSU to investigate.

5. Over the next four Tests the Kiwis will have to try to get Adam Milne fit. The intensity and pressure evaporates when Boult and Southee are not bowling.

6. The Kookaburra is a terrible ball. How are you meant to dismiss anyone between overs 20 and 80? No seam, no shine and no spin.

 

[Markhor]

If the pitches are going to be like this next year then the Pakistani batsmen have nothing to worry about...

Well not really, we always find a way to self-destruct Down Under. Anyway, NZ ground to the dust on Day 1. Agreed with Junaids analysis above. Boult and Southee are very good bowlers but the others are pretty average and easy to dominate. Once they come on any pressure the two new ball bowlers create is released. Even Boult and Southee today struggled as they weren't getting the ball to swing.

You then need raw pace on wickets like this to get the ball quickly through the air to hurry the batsmen, which right now NZ don't have and Adam Milne isn't available.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

If the pitches are going to be like this next year then the Pakistani batsmen have nothing to worry about...

Well not really, we always find a way to self-destruct Down Under. Anyway, NZ ground to the dust on Day 1. Agreed with Junaids analysis above. Boult and Southee are very good bowlers but the others are pretty average and easy to dominate. Once they come on any pressure the two new ball bowlers create is released. Even Boult and Southee today struggled as they weren't getting the ball to swing.

You then need raw pace on wickets like this to get the ball quickly through the air to hurry the batsmen, which right now NZ don't have and Adam Milne isn't available.

Boult was down on pace i think and Southee anyway isnt that quick. You need to be genuinely quick or a tall bowler with bounce ala Ambrose to be successful on these Aussie wickets. There won't be swing/seam/spin otherwise.

 

[Convict]

There is enough for the bowlers in the track if they know how to exploit it.

 

[Junaids]

There is enough for the bowlers in the track if they know how to exploit it.

Good comment.

You need either extra pace (Johnson) or extra height and lift (Hazlewood) or both (Starc).

Since the Gabba became enclosed 360 degrees by high stands I have seen much less swing than before.

Next year the South Africans tour first and will probably play at the Gabba, Adelaide and Perth while Pakistan will play later at the MCG, SCG and Hobart.

But today's evidence makes me think that Pakistan won't just need Amir/Wahab/Yasir but will probably need to give Mohammad Irfan a one-off Test series recall.

Medium pacers like the Kiwis or Imran Khan get slaughtered. Irfan's lift would round out the attack nicely.

 

[Convict]

Good comment.

You need either extra pace (Johnson) or extra height and lift (Hazlewood) or both (Starc).

Since the Gabba became enclosed 360 degrees by high stands I have seen much less swing than before.

Next year the South Africans tour first and will probably play at the Gabba, Adelaide and Perth while Pakistan will play later at the MCG, SCG and Hobart.

But today's evidence makes me think that Pakistan won't just need Amir/Wahab/Yasir but will probably need to give Mohammad Irfan a one-off Test series recall.

Medium pacers like the Kiwis or Imran Khan get slaughtered. Irfan's lift would round out the attack nicely.

Be wary of extrapolating the Gabba wicket to Melbourne or Sydney.

Hobart will offer swing as it normally does.

Lyon will do well on day 4 and 5 here. The Kiwi batsman can't let him get settled.

But yes there is a reason why even when you go down to shield level the majority of the bowlers are hit the deck quicks who have about 5 kmphs on average over their county cricket counterparts.
And there is a reason why someone like Chadd Sayers as never been considered for test selection.

If you can't bowl 140s regularly (which even Mitch Marsh can push and Mitch actually does hit the deck fairly hard for someone of his pace) you're not much of a threat against decent batsmen in Australia.
They can get on the front foot and push you around unless you're really good at some other part of the game.

And it's why Siddle has fallen so far down the pecking order.

 

[Convict]

Even Jason Behrendoff has gone out and added that extra pace to his game. Because he needs it to be considered for higher honours.

It's probably the reason why young Australian quicks are more injury prone than their overseas counterparts. Not only do they bowl less overs due to quotas and don't have experience bowling long spells until they reach first class level but they need to bowl faster.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION],
Subject to fitness, Amir, Wahab and Yasir are presumably locked in for the Australia tour in 12 months.

Who would you most highly rate for the SCG, MCG and Bellerive between:

Mohammad Irfan (145K)
Rahat Ali (137K)
Ehsan Adil (135K)
Mohammad Asif (130K)
Imran Khan (130K)

 

[battler]

Even Jason Behrendoff has gone out and added that extra pace to his game. Because he needs it to be considered for higher honours.

It's probably the reason why young Australian quicks are more injury prone than their overseas counterparts. Not only do they bowl less overs due to quotas and don't have experience bowling long spells until they reach first class level but they need to bowl faster.

India meanwhile seems to be going the other way, producing green mambas which makes the likes of vinay kumar and stuart binny look like legends

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] has me wondering whether the most useful alternative Kiwi support bowler might have been McClenaghan, just because he hits the deck hardest.

 

[Convict]

If hypothetically McCullum had an attack of Johnson, Hazlewood, Starc, Marsh and Lyon or even better James Pattinson then my guess would be that Australia would be around 5-6 for 300-320 at stumps.

None of the kiwi quicks bowled any faster than we can expect Hazlewood to bowl in this test and he has a height advantage over them.
And of course Johnson and Starc have that extra pace up their sleeve.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION],
Subject to fitness, Amir, Wahab and Yasir are presumably locked in for the Australia tour in 12 months.

Who would you most highly rate for the SCG, MCG and Bellerive between:

Mohammad Irfan (145K)
Rahat Ali (137K)
Ehsan Adil (135K)
Mohammad Asif (130K)
Imran Khan (130K)

Well the thing with Irfan is that I don't believe he can handle having to bowl the long spells he might need to bowl in Australia.
Off spinning allrounders like Hafeez won't get you anywhere in Australia.

The thing in Pakistan's advantage is that Yasir Shah is a world class leg spinner which means Pakistan have a spinner who will actually be an offensive weapon in Australia.

 

[Junaids]

If hypothetically McCullum had an attack of Johnson, Hazlewood, Starc, Marsh and Lyon or even better James Pattinson then my guess would be that Australia would be around 5-6 for 300-320 at stumps.

None of the kiwi quicks bowled any faster than we can expect Hazlewood to bowl in this test and he has a height advantage over them.
And of course Johnson and Starc have that extra pace up their sleeve.



Well the thing with Irfan is that I don't believe he can handle having to bowl the long spells he might need to bowl in Australia.
Off spinning allrounders like Hafeez won't get you anywhere in Australia.

The thing in Pakistan's advantage is that Yasir Shah is a world class leg spinner which means Pakistan have a spinner who will actually be an offensive weapon in Australia.

I presume that you're like me and follow Pakistan cricket because they tend to have the best bowling attack apart from Australia and sometimes South Africa.

I assume that next year Yasir Shah will hold up an end from overs 25-80 in ten over spells broken up by four over rests while Hafeez twirls.

I assume that Wahab will bowl short, fast four over spells while Amir will bowl 6 over spells.

So they still need 15-20 overs per day from a third seamer.

I am starting to give up hope on Ehsan Adil. When I saw him - as Quinton De Kock's equal and nemesis - at Under 19 level in South Africa four years ago I saw a 6 foot 4 bowler at a speed of around 135K, and one who could bat.

I expected that by now he would bat in Tests at number 8 and ultimately have a batting average of 25 and a bowling average of 35.

I thought that outside Asia he would be a great bowling all-rounder/third seamer

But he seems to be failing to progress.

 

[Convict]

It has to be said that Australian bowlers like Hazlewood in the Ashes are guilty of similar things to the Kiwi quicks today.
But back in Australia under conditions that he's used to they trust that he won't try to reinvent the wheel.

A part of the reason why Australian cricketers are so aggressive in how we play cricket is self fulfilling due to an infatuation with our own legend of aggressive cricket which fuels more aggressive cricket. Part of it could be because many of the influential people in the early days of Australian cricket were tough country lads or working class boys with plenty of mongrel as opposed to the upper middle class MCC types in England or the elites in India or the white elite in South Africa but the main thing that started it was because Australian wickets encourage aggressive play.

Martin Guptill says that he just got advice from Martin Crowe on how to succeed in Australia. And Crowe told him to get on the front foot even though the bowlers are quick and pushing him back.

The English players can block and leave all day but they don't like what happened in 2013/14 when Johnson got right up them and forced them to play poor shots on the back foot.

And modern Australian batsmen can no longer adapt from how to bat in Australia to how to bat elsewhere. Possibly because they no longer play as much county or even club cricket in England as they used to.
And it's no coincidence that Australia has generally struggled in India because the traits necessary for success in India are as far from what is needed in Australia as you can get.

And back before the Great Southern Stand in the early 90s, when the MCG wasn't a gigantic, enclosed Colosseum (and the pitch wasn't a drop in) it was quite conductive for swing and for really difficult wickets (see Hughes' boxing day century, arguably the greatest innings ever played in Australia). And Victoria back then produced all the gritty, test batsman who could bat all day but hasn't produced much in terms of batting since.
And due to conditions NSW could produce more aggressive players and WA produced great players of the hook, pull and cut shots. Finch and Maxwell would have never gone through Victorian ranks if they made their debuts 30 years ago.

Now that Cricket Victoria is moving to the Junction Oval which isn't a drop in and is enclosed by a fence I wonder if things will start changing again.
Sheffield Shield cricket is staying at the WACA and of course Tasmania play in Bellerive. Victoria are moving to the Junction and if the Gabba ever became a drop in I'd expect Queensland to move to the Allan Border Field.

New South Wales will stay at the SCG but continue to play a few games in Newcastle and Canberra and Wagga Wagga.

So the shield wickets are soon going to diverge even further from the test wickets

India meanwhile seems to be going the other way, producing green mambas which makes the likes of vinay kumar and stuart binny look like legends

On the other hand a lack of exposure to swing has left Australian batsmen pretty vulnerable.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] has me wondering whether the most useful alternative Kiwi support bowler might have been McClenaghan, just because he hits the deck hardest.

Possibly. But I'd have gone with Henry over Bracewell. Possibly even Wagner but I think he's injured.

 

[Convict]

I presume that you're like me and follow Pakistan cricket because they tend to have the best bowling attack apart from Australia and sometimes South Africa.

I assume that next year Yasir Shah will hold up an end from overs 25-80 in ten over spells broken up by four over rests while Hafeez twirls.

I assume that Wahab will bowl short, fast four over spells while Amir will bowl 6 over spells.

So they still need 15-20 overs per day from a third seamer.

I am starting to give up hope on Ehsan Adil. When I saw him - as Quinton De Kock's equal and nemesis - at Under 19 level in South Africa four years ago I saw a 6 foot 4 bowler at a speed of around 135K, and one who could bat.

I expected that by now he would bat in Tests at number 8 and ultimately have a batting average of 25 and a bowling average of 35.

I thought that outside Asia he would be a great bowling all-rounder/third seamer

But he seems to be failing to progress.

Now you understand why Australia will play one of Marsh and Henriques in every test this summer.

Or why even the shield sides tend to go with at least 5 bowling options

 

[filthyfulltoss]

2/389 at stumps.

Tell me more about how NZ are a better team than Australia I wonder what excuse the likes of Junaids and Aman will come up with now. Probably some whining about the flat pitch. Newsflash: 90% of today's pitches worldwide are flat roads. If your team can't play on them then they're no good.

From the little bit I watched of the evening session, NZ have got a real problem on their hands. Their seamers are trundling in at the low 130s and Craig can't keep it tight or look threatening. I guess we all should have seen this coming after the 503 run opening stand the other day.

Kiwis beat pakistan in the UAE, that alone makes them a better team then the massively over-rated aussies. Can't win in England, can't win in the UAE - only good at home.