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Australia beat South Africa by 36 runs in the Tri-Nation Series

AB should open the batting, particularly while chasing - it's clear that he struggles in chase from 4/5. Rather he should open with DKok & let Amal bat at 3.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Cmon AB the poor Australian bowlers didnt vote for Dhoni in the poll. Why take your anger out on them? Proving a point. Not going to look at stats but I think AB has a very good record against Australia. Thrn again in ODIs is there a team he doesnt have a good record against.
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I think you got the answer why ABD didn't win that poll :amir
 
Pathetic batting from Duminy. South Africa choking in another chase it seems. Ab and Duminy have both made brainless decisions
 
This is why I don't like AB. Playing 360 degree shots are fine and he is the one I will pay to watch, but he doesn't use his mind when batting. Last game it was the same story.
 
Buffet said:
This is why I don't like AB. Playing 360 degree shots are fine and he is the one I will pay to watch, but he doesn't use his mind when batting. Last game it was the same story.
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He relies on his instinct when batting sometimes it comes off and sometimes it doesn't. In pressure situations you need more than instinct to win.
 
Stunning catch from Maxwell!!!! Set to be an easy win for Australia. Extremely disappointing collapse from South Africa. Pressure of a chase got to them again
 
Hasan123 said:
He relies on his instinct when batting sometimes it comes off and sometimes it doesn't. In pressure situations you need more than instinct to win.
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I simply think that he doesn't use his brain and keeps playing only one way. PPers relying on statsguru will show that hey look AB scored at higher than 100 SR and 40 odd runs, so it was not bad. But I rate it as bad. When you are in this kind of situation then not winning the game is simply poor batting.

Ab should either bat long or bat higher up. He is pretty much useless at his current position in pressure games. SA has such a long tail now and AB can't bat well to finish games. Best position for him to simply open. It's meaningless to have all shots and all that if you don't bat higher up.
 
How did SA mess this up :facepalm:

They had the match wrapped up with plenty of wickets in hand and a very easy RRR to deal with..
 
Buffet said:
I simply think that he doesn't use his brain and keeps playing only one way. PPers relying on statsguru will show that hey look AB scored at higher than 100 SR and 40 odd runs, so it was not bad. But I rate it as bad. When you are in this kind of situation then not winning the game is simply poor batting.

Ab should either bat long or bat higher up. He is pretty much useless at his current position in pressure games. SA has such a long tail now and AB can't bat well to finish games. Best position for him to simply open. It's meaningless to have all shots and all that if you don't bat higher up.
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I can't believe AB finished as close to Dhoni as he did in PP's GOAT poll. This innings sums up AB's career, looks great then messes it up when the team needs him to see them through.
 
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they looked set to win when I checked the score a while ago, must have been a big collapse.
 
Rubbish cricket from SA.. I felt into sleep a bit when DeVilliers and Duminy were going through Starc spell and wake up and saw this.. That is seriously poor stuff from SA. AB was batting really well but looks like he did his usual choke again and then others seriously had no meattle to take it through. Duminy is such a useless player. Why is he playing in the team?
 
De Villiers shouldn't be given the finishing role anymore while chasing and someone need to replace JP with any decent batsmen. Bring Elgar or Van zyl or any Tom Dick and Harry over JP.That will work. Morris was missed too. He could have finished it off.
 
Buffet said:
I simply think that he doesn't use his brain and keeps playing only one way. PPers relying on statsguru will show that hey look AB scored at higher than 100 SR and 40 odd runs, so it was not bad. But I rate it as bad. When you are in this kind of situation then not winning the game is simply poor batting.

Ab should either bat long or bat higher up. He is pretty much useless at his current position in pressure games. SA has such a long tail now and AB can't bat well to finish games. Best position for him to simply open. It's meaningless to have all shots and all that if you don't bat higher up.
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Exactly his instinct is to keep playing postive. When him and Duminy were batting the scenario was simple and AB loses his wicket with a pathetic shot.

Opening could help because batting in power play would mean he could be agressive and get away with the odd poor shot.
 
SA lower half order is weak so no surprises there. What surprising is how top order managed to give away after dream start
 
Chrish said:
How did you manage that ?
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I was waiting long to watch this and saw a couple of overs but I was feeling really sleepy from almost an hour before and I slept with my computer on as it was Duminy who was on strike for most of the balls and I knew the match is done.But well that doesn't seems to be the case especially if its South Africa.
 
Everyone talking about South Africa collapse which is fair enough but I will give credit to Steve smith captaincy and Josh Hazelwood who bowled really well.
 
Great come back by the Aussies! The right moves from Smith and an excellent Hazlewood getting a wicket when the team needed it the most.

Missed Maxwell though. He could have been fun on this batting friendly wicket.
 
Aussies batting is still a big worry away from home. Smith is yet to hit the big league in limited overs.

Warner is their current best batsmen but is a hit or miss and that is pretty much expected.
 
In moderately large chases, you can never get the same feeling of security with teams like Pakistan and South Africa, as you can with the likes of Australia and India, to be honest.
 
Aman said:
I can't believe AB finished as close to Dhoni as he did in PP's GOAT poll. This innings sums up AB's career, looks great then messes it up when the team needs him to see them through.
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Where were you when he carried his team to a series victory against England coming in at 22/3?
 
When you have Beharaden coming at number 6 and Parnell at 7 this kind of result is not surprising at all. This is not a choke really but a result due to poor batsmen. Quota system is destroying South African cricket and if it continues like they would become minnows in next 10 years. How could Beharaden be in the squad let alone playing eleven? And on the top of that he's batting at number 6. Wth?!
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Where were you when he carried his team to a series victory against England coming in at 22/3?
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The odd success doesn't make up for the dozen or so other failures.

For someone who is talked up as up there with the elite, that's not acceptable.
 
Buffet said:
I simply think that he doesn't use his brain and keeps playing only one way. PPers relying on statsguru will show that hey look AB scored at higher than 100 SR and 40 odd runs, so it was not bad. But I rate it as bad. When you are in this kind of situation then not winning the game is simply poor batting.

Ab should either bat long or bat higher up. He is pretty much useless at his current position in pressure games. SA has such a long tail now and AB can't bat well to finish games. Best position for him to simply open. It's meaningless to have all shots and all that if you don't bat higher up.
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Agreed.

He either needs to bat up or bat long.

The current approach is not helping the team.
 
AB's interview to cricinfo sums up his mentality.

All instinct and no brain and he seems to think that's how he should play.

Magical player who should be doing a lot more.

Maybe some lessons from Kohli will help.
 
Anfield said:
When you have Beharaden coming at number 6 and Parnell at 7 this kind of result is not surprising at all. This is not a choke really but a result due to poor batsmen. Quota system is destroying South African cricket and if it continues like they would become minnows in next 10 years. How could Beharaden be in the squad let alone playing eleven? And on the top of that he's batting at number 6. Wth?!
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While I agree with the premise of your post, I'm not sure who else could have played... they just don't have a lot of quality players at the moment. Miller seems to be out of contention, and Rossouw is injured (and hasn't impressed). Morris is probably one who should be in, but he is injured too (I think).
 
Anfield said:
When you have Beharaden coming at number 6 and Parnell at 7 this kind of result is not surprising at all. This is not a choke really but a result due to poor batsmen. Quota system is destroying South African cricket and if it continues like they would become minnows in next 10 years. How could Beharaden be in the squad let alone playing eleven? And on the top of that he's batting at number 6. Wth?!
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This. I thought the same when I saw their batting line up on cricinfo. Such a long tail.
 
A poor lower order collapse proved damaging for the Standard Bank Proteas as they slipped to a 36-run loss to Australia in their latest Tri-Nation One-Day International (ODI) clash at Warner Park in St Kitts on Saturday. Having restricted the Australians to an average 288/6 on an excellent batting track, the South Africans had looked well on course for victory at 210/3 in the 38th over.

That was thanks to half centuries by Faf du Plessis and Hashim Amla, but they then suffered a mortifying collapse that saw the remaining seven wickets fall for 42 runs on their way to a second loss in three matches of the competition thus far.

Australia, who South Africa had beaten by 47 runs on Tuesday, relied heavily on David Warner’s sixth ODI century after winning the toss and batting first on what looked a paradise for batting. The left-hander struck 109 (120 balls, 11 fours, 2 sixes) and shared in a 136-run second wicket stand with Usman Khawaja, who made 59 (71 balls. 4 fours, 1 six).

Despite the big stand and an ensuing unbeaten 52 (49 balls, 5 fours, 1 six) by the Australian captain Steven Smith, the target of 289 still looked very gettable – the average first-innings total at Basseterre is 282.

South Africa’s best bowler on the day was Imran Tahir after he picked up 2/45 in 9 overs. Wayne Parnell (1/34) and Kyle Abbott (1/50) also impressed.

Quinton de Kock (19) fell early in the chase, but Amla struck 60 (64 balls, 6 fours, 1 six) and Du Plessis made 63 (76 balls, 5 fours) to put their side on course for a second successive win against their old rivals. The pair put on 105 together for the second wicket with Du Plessis going past 3000 ODI runs on what was his return to action following a six-week injury lay-off.

Even after both men fell, the Proteas still looked destined for victory with skipper AB de Villiers and JP Duminy to follow. But they then lost their last seven wickets cheaply – De Villiers (39) and Duminy (41) amongst those to fall – with SA slipping to 252 all out in 47.4 overs.

There were three wickets each for Mitchell Starc (3/43), Josh Hazlewood (3/52) and Adam Zampa (3/52).

Defeat saw South Africa drop to second on the table. Their next match in the series is against hosts West Indies at the same venue on Wednesday.
 
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Aman said:
I can't believe AB finished as close to Dhoni as he did in PP's GOAT poll. This innings sums up AB's career, looks great then messes it up when the team needs him to see them through.
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This is not even a difficult chase , if SA had won its not the kind of chase anyone would have even talked about . its criminal to consistently goof up these matches .

Statistically though , this innings will not show up in AB's stats for "runs scored casing in winning matches " - it will only count when SA wins , which they do when chasing a small total agaist WI & AB stays N.O .
so , statistically he can be proved as good as or better than MS or Virat .
 
Typical de Villiers.

All the talent in the world, but a poor reading of the situation.

He does not have a cricketing brain. Would have failed at this level if he was not so gifted.
 
Lol go to sleep with AB and Duminy batting together witht eh game in the bag. Woke up and saw the scorecard. Typical SA
 
jusarrived said:
This is not even a difficult chase , if SA had won its not the kind of chase anyone would have even talked about . its criminal to consistently goof up these matches .

Statistically though , this innings will not show up in AB's stats for "runs scored casing in winning matches " - it will only count when SA wins , which they do when chasing a small total agaist WI & AB stays N.O .
so , statistically he can be proved as good as or better than MS or Virat .
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Anyone who calls ABD a better chaser than Dhoni/Kohli just due to stats is flat out crazy.

With that being said, ABD has scored 17% of his career runs remaining not out while chasing SUCCESSFULLY with a score of 30+. While being out (but team winning), its 25% of his career runs.

Only 4 out of the 32 innings he chased (and SA won) was against WI.

With wins, averages 80 while chasing.
Without wins, averages 57 while chasing.

Match winning century against Johnson, Starc chasing 327 (he walked in at 51-2)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/736445.html

Chased 230 after coming in at 79-2 against Aus

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/351687.html

Tri series finals knock against Aus

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/736455.html

Chased 230 after walking in at 73-3 against NZ

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/749771.html

Chased 205 after walking in at 34-2 against Pak

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/567372.html

Chassed 253 after walking in at 35-3

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/800477.html

Chases 230 after walking in at 22-3 in series decider against England

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/800477.html

Other knocks:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...re;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

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With that being said, yes, he seems to be flawed.

His approach is wrong where he relies too much on instinct and not on calculation like Kohli/dhoni.

With a few tweaks to his mindset, he can do better but then....thta' the challenge, ain't it.
 
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Abdullah719 said:
While I agree with the premise of your post, I'm not sure who else could have played... they just don't have a lot of quality players at the moment. Miller seems to be out of contention, and Rossouw is injured (and hasn't impressed). Morris is probably one who should be in, but he is injured too (I think).
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I had like to think there must at least 100 batsmen better than Beharadin and parnel in their domestic. Them playing at number 6!and 7 is a recipe of disaster.
 
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