Australia v New Zealand | 1st Test-Day 1 | Gabba | 20/11/08

[Random Aussie]

No doubt there will be unprecedented interest in this game.

Kanishkaa Balachandran is commentating on Cricindia, no doubt going to avoid mentioning India in the commentary )

Going to be a massive Test between the 2 minnows...

Damp outfield, pitch has been under cover for days

 

[On_the_up]

Australia vs New Zealand : First test : Gabba : 20-24 Nov 2008

Due to start in around half an hour, but possible delay due to ground being wet, Australia looking to get back to winning ways ASAP, Symonds likely to be back in the side.

Australia squad
RT Ponting, MJ Clarke, SR Clark, BJ Haddin, ML Hayden, MEK Hussey, MG Johnson, SM Katich, JJ Krejza, B Lee, PM Siddle, A Symonds, SR Watson


New Zealand squad
DL Vettori, GD Elliott, DR Flynn, PG Fulton, MR Gillespie, GJ Hopkins, JM How, BB McCullum, CS Martin, KD Mills, IE O'Brien, AJ Redmond, JD Ryder, TG Southee, LRPL Taylor

 

[Indian Pretending to To Be Pakistani]

No doubt there will be unprecedented interest in this game.

Kanishkaa Balachandran is commentating on Cricindia, no doubt going to avoid mentioning India in the commentary )

Going to be a massive Test between the 2 minnows...

Damp outfield, pitch has been under cover for days

you always go to cricinfo for cricket score and news. but you dont seem to like that website. then why you are not choosing any other websites for live scores and commentory?

 

[Random Aussie]

you always go to cricinfo for cricket score and news. but you dont seem to like that website. then why you are not choosing any other websites for live scores and commentory?

I used to like it - back when it was not so massively biased. I want it back the way it was, neutral.

First gratuitous mention of India by Kanish already....

Apparently we shall wait half an hour because short leg area might be damp Ridiculous.

 

[Savak]

Can Lee discover his Mojo and return to his wicket taking ways on helpful Australian pitches?

 

[Random Aussie]

Krejza has been dropped and Watson will play as a seamer.

We have lost the plot

 

[Savak]

Why is Haddin being persisted with? He is just another ordinary Keeper. I think the Aussie's should be focusing on Luke Ronchi.

 

[Random Aussie]

Why is Haddin being persisted with? He is just another ordinary Keeper. I think the Aussie's should be focusing on Luke Ronchi.

Ronchi is not making the weight of runs in domestic to put pressure on Haddin (who has a FC average of 50 by the way) - but talk has started about Haddin. He has not been very inspiring so far in his career.

 

[f.b.m]

Most keepers have a tough time with keeping in India, especially in the first time that they play. Boucher wasnt much better than Haddin was (although not as bad) and he isnt exactly the worst keeper in the world.

 

[On_the_up]

New Zealand team
1 Aaron Redmond, 2 Jamie How, 3 Jesse Ryder, 4 Ross Taylor, 5 Brendon McCullum (wk), 6 Daniel Flynn, 7 Grant Elliott, 8 Daniel Vettori (capt), 9 Tim Southee, 10 Iain O'Brien, 11 Chris Martin.

 

[bones20]

Can Lee discover his Mojo and return to his wicket taking ways on helpful Australian pitches?

Yes he will. he is a BTB - Bump track bully

 

[f.b.m]

Umm, Why exactly is Grant Elliot in the side at all?

 

[Random Aussie]

Most keepers have a tough time with keeping in India, especially in the first time that they play. Boucher wasnt much better than Haddin was (although not as bad) and he isnt exactly the worst keeper in the world.

Yes but unfortunatetly for BraHa he kept very poorly in the Caribbean.

And kept very poorly in the 2020 on Friday night. So not just India.

 

[On_the_up]

Michael clarke seems to be doing all the talking, about who is playing etc etc is Ricky banned from speaking to the media or something?

 

[On_the_up]

Australia team
SM Katich, ML Hayden, RT Ponting, MEK Hussey, MJ Clarke, SR Watson, A Symonds, BJ Haddin, SR Clark, B Lee, MG Johnson

 

[f.b.m]

And why do so few specialist batsmen average over 40 in FC cricket? Are the wickets so bad or is it just that no batsman is any good there? Even guys like Ross Taylor and Aaron Redmond average in the low 30's.

 

[bones20]

Does anybody have any video stream link?

 

[Savak]

I dont even know why this NZ team even bothered to turn up? They know they are in for a mauling. They always take pathetic bowlers there. If they had Shane Bond in the side, i would have said maybe they can put up a fight. But Martin, Brien, Southee and then Danial Vettori. Please if these guys can get 5 wickets in an entire match put together plz let me know.

As far as the NZ batting is concerned, its weak and pathetic. This is exactly the series the Aussie's needed after their experience in India.

 

[On_the_up]

New zealand win toss and will bowl

 

[Random Aussie]

Hobbits win the toss and bowl.

Should be a bit in the pitch, one domestic game here the scoreline read 6-20 at one stage...

 

[Random Aussie]

And why do so few specialist batsmen average over 40 in FC cricket? Are the wickets so bad or is it just that no batsman is any good there? Even guys like Ross Taylor and Aaron Redmond average in the low 30's.

Wickets are not great and they have no depth of talent. Basically if you can make a hundred you are a shot at the international team.

 

[Savak]

Ronchi is not making the weight of runs in domestic to put pressure on Haddin (who has a FC average of 50 by the way) - but talk has started about Haddin. He has not been very inspiring so far in his career.

But to be fair, the Aussies will just have to get used to life without Gilchrist. You can never value what he did unless he retired. They were so used to seeing him come in at 7, scoring a quick 50, century to bail the Aussie's out of tough situations, getting quick runs when needed. Its very difficult to replace that.

The reason i supported Ronchi is because i heard about him being a very very deadly pinch hitter and a huge striker of the ball. He is one man who can fulfil that role. Haddin doesnt offer anything special to the side i am afraid, he is just an ordinary batsman at best.

 

[f.b.m]

When Australia bowl (which could be in the next 2-3 days), NZ have to milk the runs off Symonds and Clarke who I think will bowl a lot of overs because of the over rate probles that are going to come.

 

[Inswinger]

Hobbits win the toss and bowl.

Should be a bit in the pitch, one domestic game here the scoreline read 6-20 at one stage...

WOW, now that's what I call a tough pitch.

 

[f.b.m]

Wickets are not great and they have no depth of talent. Basically if you can make a hundred you are a shot at the international team.

Maybe. 4 million isnt exactly the largest of talent pools you'll find.

 

[On_the_up]

Oh man this is depressing, all these international teams playing cricket all over the place and pakistan players having a go at each other in the media. Their schedule for next year doesn't look too clever either.

 

[Random Aussie]

Maybe. 4 million isnt exactly the largest of talent pools you'll find.

Well yeah but we go alright with 20 million

 

[Random Aussie]

But to be fair, the Aussies will just have to get used to life without Gilchrist. You can never value what he did unless he retired. They were so used to seeing him come in at 7, scoring a quick 50, century to bail the Aussie's out of tough situations, getting quick runs when needed. Its very difficult to replace that.

The reason i supported Ronchi is because i heard about him being a very very deadly pinch hitter and a huge striker of the ball. He is one man who can fulfil that role. Haddin doesnt offer anything special to the side i am afraid, he is just an ordinary batsman at best.

Completely agree.

 

[On_the_up]

Haydo OUT, southee gets him caught at first slip

 

[Random Aussie]

1/13

 

[On_the_up]

catch by Ross Taylor, Hayden scored 8, Southee bowling well

 

[On_the_up]

another one by Southee , katich this time caught behind by the keeper

 

[On_the_up]

all the twos 22-2

 

[wanted_desi]

Ponting will score century today!

 

[Random Aussie]

Krapich.....

 

[f.b.m]

Nice sequence by Southee.

004W to end his last two overs. I didnt really see what the big deal is with this guy when I saw him in England. But I suppose this is the "potential" that the kiwis saw in him.

 

[prince40]

how shitt is krapich?

 

[On_the_up]

3 down!!! southee again its ponting this time

 

[12thMan]

Ponting 4 out ct at 2nd?? slip of Southee
Aus 23-3
What a stupid ad for Champions league on Star

 

[Kriketer]

omg....is this Australia????

 

[Random Aussie]

This is not going very well, Southee cutting us up.

 

[prince40]

id still be very very shocked if australia dont batter NZ in this test

 

[On_the_up]

Southee moving the ball both ways, 31-3 after 10 overs

 

[Inswinger]

The Aussies are heading South...eeee!!!

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

What on earth is wrong with the Aussies ? I couldn't believe my eyes once I saw the score card.

 

[wanted_desi]

Aussies can't play swing, they can't play reverse swing. They can't play Spin?

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Aussies can't play swing, they can't play reverse swing. They can't play Spin?

Then how did they manage to dominate world cricket for almost a decade ?

 

[bones20]

How come its bouncing so much like Perth?

 

[12thMan]

a great pitch to watch the game

 

[bones20]

Aussies can't play swing, they can't play reverse swing. They can't play Spin?

They are more into writing books and Diaries lately

 

[bones20]

Does anybody else find this 3 some commentary irritating compared to a 2 some?

 

[On_the_up]

What on earth is wrong with the Aussies ? I couldn't believe my eyes once I saw the score card.

I think it might be a case of adjusting to pitches with pace and bounce after spending 6 weeks playing on slow and low indian pitches.

 

[12thMan]

Does anybody else find this 3 some commentary irritating compared to a 2 some?

what I find irritating is that you have to look at the screen to follow each ball whcih means the game. I can't watch every ball. I would rather have radio commentary and TV going on together

 

[bones20]

These New Zealand baby boomers screwed the Aussies at their home ground. Other teams with a more experienced pace attack would have buried them here.

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Ponting's average have now dropped to 57.28
Still phenomenal though.

 

[On_the_up]

56-3

 

[OZGOD]

Krejza has been dropped and Watson will play as a seamer.

We have lost the plot

One allrounder too many I reckon. Though since the Gabba is probably going to be seam it probably won't matter too much.

Can't believe they're in such a rush to get Symmo back. What happened to playing your way back into the side in domestic cricket?

 

[Fish]

One allrounder too many I reckon. Though since the Gabba is probably going to be seam it probably won't matter too much.

Can't believe they're in such a rush to get Symmo back. What happened to playing your way back into the side in domestic cricket?

Players do need to play their way back into the side when they are dropped for form, Symonds is a vital part of the team and was allways going to walk back into the team and why not.

 

[Random Aussie]

How come its bouncing so much like Perth?

Gabba is very bouncy wicket

 

[Random Aussie]

These New Zealand baby boomers screwed the Aussies at their home ground. Other teams with a more experienced pace attack would have buried them here.

I don't believe the TALL & MIGHTY ISHANT has ever managed to have us 3/28.

NZ always play well against us. But yeah Bones every team would beat us every where of course. Aside from that noone has beaten us at home for about 16 years.

 

[Random Aussie]

3/59 rebuild in progress

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Hussey is the perfect Test batsman for the Aussie side. At the moment, I would rate him as Australia's most valuable batsman. Not an aggressive batsman, but someone who scores his runs at a descent strike rate ( about 50/51), and someone who is incredibly consistent.

 

[bones20]

I don't believe the TALL & MIGHTY ISHANT has ever managed to have us 3/28.

NZ always play well against us. But yeah Bones every team would beat us every where of course. Aside from that noone has beaten us at home for about 16 years.

Well you are over reacting. I never mentioned India or our bowlers, just "experienced pace" attack.

And to the other point: I have been saying this for a while that you have been living in the world of past through stats. Get over it man. Get used to be beaten more often.

And in defense, India drew in 2004 and you already know that in our minds 2008 series was a draw regardless of what the score book says. So there. If you still insist, well then take this: You just lost 2-0. and it took you 35 years to win against India in India. want more? We beat you in world series one day and we beat you out of T20 .

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

BTW, what's wrong with Haydos ? Just a bad phase ? It's worrying cuz he is no longer a guy who have some years of cricket left in him, he's already 37.

 

[Fish]

These New Zealand baby boomers screwed the Aussies at their home ground. Other teams with a more experienced pace attack would have buried them here.

Trouble being the other experienced pace attacks have never been good enough to get Australia in that situation in the first place so that sort of makes the comment rather pointless.

 

[Savak]

The Aussie team looks very vulnerable. That aura of invincibility is no longer there. There are too many weaknesses and too many chinks in the armour. I am not sure how long Hayden is going to play, it looks like age is finally catching up with him. If the Aussie selectors really want to look to the future then they will have to seriously think about other options like Shaun Marsh, Chris Rogers e.t.c

Simon Katich is nothing special, in fact he is extremely defensive and boring to watch. If i were in the opposition, i wouldnt lose sleep over Katich. I think maybe dropping him and playing him for a more imposing player will be a positive move.

I dont think playing Watson and Symonds together and making them bat lower down the order is going to work. Watson in my view will have to open the batting, he has done it in ODI cricket and no reason why he cannot do it in tests.

The bowling attack is fine provided the bowlers are in form but the Aussies need to find a good leg spinner. Its a bonus they have found an offspinner Kretzja. This bowling attack needs Shaun Tait.

 

[Fish]

BTW, what's wrong with Haydos ? Just a bad phase ? It's worrying cuz he is no longer a guy who have some years of cricket left in him, he's already 37.

Haydo will produce, like all batsmen he cant do it every innings but he will come good.

 

[itduzz]

Styen & Morkel wud be licking their lips right now

 

[Savak]

BTW, what's wrong with Haydos ? Just a bad phase ? It's worrying cuz he is no longer a guy who have some years of cricket left in him, he's already 37.

I think he is aiming for the 2009 ashes as his final series. Will he actually make it till then? Will the Aussie selectors gamble on taking an out of form Hayden into the ashes? I personally would not if he keeps playing like this because that was precisely the reason why the Aussie's lost in 2005. Persisting and turning a blind eye to out of form players.

 

[saffer]

Well yeah but we go alright with 20 million

Not as great as us with our pool of 5 million whities. Cricket is catching on with the black population in S.A so watch out when we're rolling in with 5 80's windiesque pace attack bowler.

 

[Random Aussie]

Well you are over reacting. I never mentioned India or our bowlers, just "experienced pace" attack.

And to the other point: I have been saying this for a while that you have been living in the world of past through stats. Get over it man. Get used to be beaten more often.

And in defense, India drew in 2004 and you already know that in our minds 2008 series was a draw regardless of what the score book says. So there. If you still insist, well then take this: You just lost 2-0. and it took you 35 years to win against India in India. want more? We beat you in world series one day and we beat you out of T20 .

No you had no desire to bring India into this did you? )

2008 was a loss, look at the scoreboard sunshine. As for the rest, we don't need any advice on cricket from perennial loser country who are having a brief moment of sunshine.

 

[On_the_up]

60-3 off 20, and its lunch

 

[bones20]

Trouble being the other experienced pace attacks have never been good enough to get Australia in that situation in the first place so that sort of makes the comment rather pointless.

From what I have seen of New Zealand bowling so far, they have atleast bowled an attacking line and length. But their bowlers dont have good wrist and seam positions. To their credit, they did attack all out. Made your batsmen play most deliveries.

SA would have brought you on knees on this one.

 

[Random Aussie]

Not as great as us with our pool of 5 million whities. Cricket is catching on with the black population in S.A so watch out when we're rolling in with 5 80's windiesque pace attack bowler.

Yep the potential is there no doubt

 

[Random Aussie]

I think he is aiming for the 2009 ashes as his final series. Will he actually make it till then?

Nope IMO

 

[Fish]

The Aussie team looks very vulnerable. That aura of invincibility is no longer there. There are too many weaknesses and too many chinks in the armour. I am not sure how long Hayden is going to play, it looks like age is finally catching up with him. If the Aussie selectors really want to look to the future then they will have to seriously think about other options like Shaun Marsh, Chris Rogers e.t.c

Simon Katich is nothing special, in fact he is extremely defensive and boring to watch. If i were in the opposition, i wouldnt lose sleep over Katich. I think maybe dropping him and playing him for a more imposing player will be a positive move.

I dont think playing Watson and Symonds together and making them bat lower down the order is going to work. Watson in my view will have to open the batting, he has done it in ODI cricket and no reason why he cannot do it in tests.

The bowling attack is fine provided the bowlers are in form but the Aussies need to find a good leg spinner. Its a bonus they have found an offspinner Kretzja. This bowling attack needs Shaun Tait.

Katich will be there for a fews years I think and Jaques is going to come back. Ponting, Huss, Clarke, Symonds will also be there for a few years yet so no probs with the batting.

Watson is not good enough to open the batting and never will, he will most likely alternate with Krajza and the bowling looks like it just needs to find its feet.

Australia have weaknesses like all teams but I cant see too many and they will win more games than they lose over the next four years and you cant ask for much more than that.

 

[bones20]

No you had no desire to bring India into this did you? )
I honestly didnt! But what can I say, some people are overly sensitive and self inflicting


2008 was a loss, look at the scoreboard sunshine. As for the rest, we don't need any advice on cricket from perennial loser country who are having a brief moment of sunshine.
no advice there. just eye opening facts

.

 

[Random Aussie]

Yawn Bones yawn, yes India are great. If it were not for umpires, white men & CIA they would be world champions already.

 

[Fish]

From what I have seen of New Zealand bowling so far, they have atleast bowled an attacking line and length. But their bowlers dont have good wrist and seam positions. To their credit, they did attack all out. Made your batsmen play most deliveries.

SA would have brought you on knees on this one.

South Africa have been absolutely brilliant at beating us in games that they never played. Look at their trophy cabinet it is full of trophys from games thay would have won against us if they played.

And what about the games they actually did play us?.

 

[itduzz]

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