Australia v New Zealand | 1st Test-Day 1 | Gabba | 20/11/08

[Random Aussie]

Clark and Clarke doing a decent repair job

 

[OZGOD]

That convict thing really gets to the veins of the Aussies. Seriously, it should not be used.

I don't mind being called a convict. It's where we came from. Look at the country we built, from our beginnings as a bunch of criminals shipped from England. We're proud of where we came from mate.

 

[OZGOD]

OK everyone get your laughs in, it's day 1 and a Test is 5 days.

 

[Random Aussie]

All out

 

[deathstreak]

You maybe so and good luck with that .

Maaki means "Mother's"

a little bit more enlightenment would be great...

For Fish--
Family, sexual insults are more demeaning in India than race insults...

 

[Ajeyastra]

OK everyone get your laughs in, it's day 1 and a Test is 5 days.

It's better to laugh when you can. You never know what's in the Kiwi store in future

 

[deathstreak]

I don't mind being called a convict. It's where we came from. Look at the country we built, from our beginnings as a bunch of criminals shipped from England. We're proud of where we came from mate.

didn't one of you mention something about a certificate if you could show your ancestor came on the ships or something?

 

[deathstreak]

Will the Kiwis avoid the follow on ?

 

[OZGOD]

I know the wicket is lively, but that's a pretty ordinary performance from all and sundry barring Pup. I hope Dubya gives them a good spray in the sheds about how shyte this performance was and embarrass them into doing better in the second dig.

 

[Ajeyastra]

I know the wicket is lively, but that's a pretty ordinary performance from all and sundry barring Pup. I hope team gives Dubya a good spray in the sheds about how shyte his performance was and embarrasses him into doing better in the second dig.

Corrected

 

[bones20]

a little bit more enlightenment would be great...

For Fish--
Family, sexual insults are more demeaning in India than race insults...

Thanks for passing that on stupid!

 

[Random Aussie]

Funny that there are more Indians posting on this match than their own teams.....

 

[OZGOD]

Corrected

Hopefully he gives himself a spray too

 

[Ajeyastra]

Funny that there are more Indians posting on this match than their own teams.....

We don't wanna jinx our team

 

[bones20]

Funny that there are more Indians posting on this match than their own teams.....

We will always be there for you when Australia f0cks up

 

[Random Aussie]

We will always be there for you when Australia f0cks up

Still jealous of the Aussies I see

 

[Amjid Javed]

214 all out? Were richard Hadlee and shane bond bowling in there prime today?

shocking stuff from Australia espcially as this is New zealand they are playing. Haydunce and a few others need to go and time for further transition!

 

[Fish]

didn't one of you mention something about a certificate if you could show your ancestor came on the ships or something?

Here you go, read all about it.

http://www.convictcentral.com/

 

[Fish]

a little bit more enlightenment would be great...

For Fish--
Family, sexual insults are more demeaning in India than race insults...

which is why Indians are such hypochrites, they swear and hurl insults and then go crying to the referee when it comes back.

Boo hoo the poor little things cant handle someone swearing at them, and there standard response is waaa they started it. Sook of the highest order.

 

[Random Aussie]

I am getting very sick of Brett Lee and his celebrating the wicket before the umpire decides.

A fine is in order.

 

[Random Aussie]

214 all out? Were richard Hadlee and shane bond bowling in there prime today?

shocking stuff from Australia espcially as this is New zealand they are playing. Haydunce and a few others need to go and time for further transition!

Bowlers pitch, lets see how the Hobbits go on it first.

Stumps, NZ 0/7 still require 7 runs to avoid the follow on.

 

[deathstreak]

Here you go, read all about it.

http://www.convictcentral.com/

the first line:-

Most family historians in Australia regard a convict in their ancestry as enormously desirable.

) )

There is a gulf, no make that an ocean of difference between the cultures

but it makes sense too.

 

[deathstreak]

which is why Indians are such hypochrites, they swear and hurl insults and then go crying to the referee when it comes back.

Boo hoo the poor little things cant handle someone swearing at them, and there standard response is waaa they started it. Sook of the highest order.

ahem

ponting complained..
hayden complained...

) )

 

[deathstreak]

I am getting very sick of Brett Lee and his celebrating the wicket before the umpire decides.

A fine is in order.

Good show by Lee already..
He did not give 8 runs in his first over......

 

[deathstreak]

er christian name === first name???

 

[Random Aussie]

er christian name === first name???

Yes

 

[Random Aussie]

Good show by Lee already..
He did not give 8 runs in his first over......

Yes that was an improvement

Zero wickets though

 

[Fish]

the first line:-

Most family historians in Australia regard a convict in their ancestry as enormously desirable.

) )

There is a gulf, no make that an ocean of difference between the cultures

but it makes sense too.

It certainly does show the difference in culture, we are a proud nation and are not insecure about our standing in the world. We have nothing to be ashamed of and can live without being paraniod and desperately trying to prove we are better than someone else. Its a good feeling.

We dont have to constantly complain that the umpire is biased and the referee is out to get us and cry about the other team saying things that make us cry. ) )

 

[moumotta]

ahem

ponting complained..
hayden complained...

) )

Even worse. Ponting complained that Dhoni complained.

 

[Ajeyastra]

We dont have to constantly complain that the umpire is biased and the referee is out to get us and cry about the other team saying things that make us cry. ) )

I am sure you don't - what person in his right mind would like to complain about having umpires and referees on his side .

 

[Fish]

Even worse. Ponting complained that Dhoni complained.

We know Dhoni complained and we know Harbi complained and Tendulkar lied.....err complained it just seems to be a cultural thing.

 

[Fish]

I am sure you don't - what person in his right mind would like to complain about having umpires and referees on his side .

Feeling a bit paranoid are we, the umpire is against you is he. Oh dear isnt that a shame. ) )

 

[deathstreak]

It certainly does show the difference in culture, we are a proud nation and are not insecure about our standing in the world. We have nothing to be ashamed of and can live without being paraniod and desperately trying to prove we are better than someone else. Its a good feeling.

Now that is a very interesting statement...

We dont have to constantly complain that the umpire is biased and the referee is out to get us and cry about the other team saying things that make us cry. ) )

no no you go to the referee and complain. Your players do, not the general public

 

[deathstreak]

Yes that was an improvement

Zero wickets though

give him some time.. He is just back in familiar responsive conditions.
Plus remember what Tait said -- Black Caps can't play pace...

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

I don't mind being called a convict. It's where we came from. Look at the country we built, from our beginnings as a bunch of criminals shipped from England. We're proud of where we came from mate.

But still it's in very bad taste.

 

[deathstreak]

We know Dhoni complained and we know Harbi complained and Tendulkar lied.....err complained it just seems to be a cultural thing.

that is true and Ponting said so in the media...
and then Ponting does the same..
Hayden does the same...


when did harbi complain ??

 

[Fish]

no no you go to the referee and complain. Your players do, not the general public

We are talking cricket, Australia just play cricket its the Indians that are allways complaining. Boo hoo hoo the umpire is biased boo hoo hoo the referee is picking on us boo hoo hoo the Aussies swore at me and made me cry. ) )

 

[Ajeyastra]

Feeling a bit paranoid are we, the umpire is against you is he. Oh dear isnt that a shame. ) )

Not for long dear, not for long. The world order is changing and i don't contemplate a place for the likes of Bucknor or Proctor or Broad for long .

 

[Ajeyastra]

We are talking cricket, Australia just play cricket its the Indians that are allways complaining. Boo hoo hoo the umpire is biased boo hoo hoo the referee is picking on us boo hoo hoo the Aussies swore at me and made me cry. ) )

Those ROFL icons look more like a poor apology

 

[Fish]

when did harbi complain ??

When dosent he complain, wasnt it him complaining about Sreesanth mouthing off and insulting the Indian players during a IPL match that lead to Sreesanth bawling his eyes out. ) )

 

[Romali_rotti]

lol Kiwis taking a leaf out of India's book, Ozzies getting spanked ....

 

[deathstreak]

We are talking cricket, Australia just play cricket its the Indians that are allways complaining. Boo hoo hoo the umpire is biased boo hoo hoo the referee is picking on us boo hoo hoo the Aussies swore at me and made me cry. ) )

oh you mean Ponting was saying that Harbi was whispering sweet nothings to Symonds when he was talking to the match referee?

Or maybe Hayden was gesturing to the umpire look this funny Indian is trying to fly..

 

[deathstreak]

When dosent he complain, wasnt it him complaining about Sreesanth mouthing off and insulting the Indian players during a IPL match that lead to Sreesanth bawling his eyes out. ) )

err no he slapped Sreesanth
was exercising his fingers I think

 

[Fish]

Not for long dear, not for long. The world order is changing and i don't contemplate a place for the likes of Bucknor or Proctor or Broad for long .

The new world order indeed, do you feel a little insecure in the current world order. Dont you feel like you are part of the current system.

Oh let me guess India is going to be the grand superior being of cricket and if you want to play them then you have to let them win or they wont play.

Hang on I've got it now. Every game will have a jet parked outside the game and if the umpire makes a wrong decision agaist India then all the players jump on the jet and fly home and if they are in India it will just fly around for a few hours then land again.

 

[deathstreak]

lol Kiwis taking a leaf out of India's book, Ozzies getting spanked ....

hmmm will only comment after lunch tomorrow

 

[Big Harvey]

I wasn't up in time to see any of this. A pity, because I'd have loved to have seen the spectacular emergence of the new Test bowling sensation, Jesse Ryder.

 

[Foozee]

damn man, whats goin on with the Roos

 

[Random Aussie]

damn man, whats goin on with the Roos

Seems like the end is coming now man.

I remember the West Indies, even after most of their great players had gone, carried on beating all and sundry because of the aura they had and because the players genuinely believed they could beat anyone.

India aside because our brave friends got a bit scared of the fast bowlers )

Then Australia took them down in a Test series at home and the players lost that aura and confidence and the ship went down. Obviously the difference is we have young players and a good domestic system to rebuild whereas the West Indies had nothing coming through. But to me at least the parallel exists.

Will the Saffers take us down at home this summer?

 

[Poison]

Seems like the end is coming now man.

I remember the West Indies, even after most of their great players had gone, carried on beating all and sundry because of the aura they had and because the players genuinely believed they could beat anyone.

India aside because our brave friends got a bit scared of the fast bowlers )

Then Australia took them down in a Test series at home and the players lost that aura and confidence and the ship went down. Obviously the difference is we have young players and a good domestic system to rebuild whereas the West Indies had nothing coming through. But to me at least the parallel exists.

Will the Saffers take us down at home this summer?

On current form , you guys are gonna be dominated by the Saffers

 

[Romali_rotti]

Seems like the end is coming now man.

I remember the West Indies, even after most of their great players had gone, carried on beating all and sundry because of the aura they had and because the players genuinely believed they could beat anyone.

India aside because our brave friends got a bit scared of the fast bowlers )

Then Australia took them down in a Test series at home and the players lost that aura and confidence and the ship went down. Obviously the difference is we have young players and a good domestic system to rebuild whereas the West Indies had nothing coming through. But to me at least the parallel exists.

Will the Saffers take us down at home this summer?

Nope.... Kiwis however have a habbit of giving Oz a good run for your money...

 

[Random Aussie]

But still it's in very bad taste.

It is not offensive bub, it just gets tiresome and annoying.

Like when someone decides to bring up Aborigines and their past treatment.

For the most part refrain from bringing up past history in relation to India (or even current matters) - but I imagine Indian posters might not like it if the Aussie posters decided to refer to women being burnt alive in India every time we wanted to score a point on a internet forum.

Like na na nana you are convicts and or genocidal racists!

Na na na you burn your women alive!

And so on.....

 

[Random Aussie]

On current form , you guys are gonna be dominated by the Saffers

Fortunately that is current form and we aint playing them yet.

 

[Poison]

Fortunately that is current form and we aint playing them yet.

Ponting needs a large shovel to dig himself out of the hole coming up this summer. I've a feeling with a depleted lineup, his captaincy frailties will be exposed.

 

[Amjid Javed]

RA,

I can understand that pitch may have assisted the Bowlers but this is New Zealand that the Aussies are playing. In 20+ years of watching game this is poorest Kiwi side ive ever seen!

Haydens poor form and Haddins lack of runs look a huge worry at moment!

 

[Rajan]

On current form , you guys are gonna be dominated by the Saffers

SA are favourites. for sure.
by the way, after the retirement of Warne and McGrath, what is the win/loss/draw record for Aussies?

would be interesting to note the same after Gilchrist retirement too, because i always rated him very high.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Australia will start favs against S.A

Despite S.A sucess of late in series Against W.I, india, Pak etc... they have been beaten in odd test match and been taken to wire in other games.

Australia may be out of form but they are still best in world. S.A have a good chance of betaing Aus but thats more likely to be when they play in S.A!

 

[deathstreak]

don't worry by that time Aussies will have a secret weapon.
Kareza, he will toss the ball up and spin web around the SA batsmen.

Just hoping Australia start win a couple of matches before they meet SA.
Then SA will get hammered.

Plus by that time the batting will have adapted.

 

[Random Aussie]

SA are favourites. for sure.
by the way, after the retirement of Warne and McGrath, what is the win/loss/draw record for Aussies?

would be interesting to note the same after Gilchrist retirement too, because i always rated him very high.

After Warne/McGrath retired - side on 14 consecutive wins at the time:

W W L D - Gilly retired here then - W D W D L D L - 4 wins, 3 losses and 4 draws

So not great by any stretch. But 8 of those Tests were against India, who have always been tough to beat and got some results over us so that does muddy it a little. But no matter how you look at it it is lot worse than WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

 

[Random Aussie]

Double post

 

[Muhammad]

Fine effort from the kiwis.

Their team doesn't have many proven performers but plenty of promise and potential. I have seen weaker Kiwi teams, especially on the bowling front.

Someone like O'Brien can be easily dismissed as ordinary but I think he's a pretty good bowler. Impressed in England as well, though he did drop a shameful caught and bowled chance, Collingwood I believe it was.

Southee's a bit green but the raw materials are there.

Expect a very tough day for the kiwis tomorrow, Redmond looks limited and Elliot isn't up to much the rest of the batting line up is capable on paper but the game is played on grass where they have been found wanting in recent times. The hard work has been done by the bowlers, now they gotta bat outta their skins.

 

[Random Aussie]

RA,

I can understand that pitch may have assisted the Bowlers but this is New Zealand that the Aussies are playing. In 20+ years of watching game this is poorest Kiwi side ive ever seen!

Haydens poor form and Haddins lack of runs look a huge worry at moment!

NZ always put up a good fight against us in Australia. Wait until they bat.

Yep Hayden, Haddin, Watson (*** was he selected as a bowler) & Lee are all big concerns.

 

[Keith]

NZ always put up a good fight against us in Australia. Wait until they bat.

Yep Hayden, Haddin, Watson (*** was he selected as a bowler) & Lee are all big concerns.

The black caps should be owned by the aussie pace attack. Steyn tore them apart on our pitches and from what i have seen something similar is going to happen here.

 

[Rajan]

After Warne/McGrath retired - side on 14 consecutive wins at the time:

W W L D - Gilly retired here then - W D W D L D L - 4 wins, 3 losses and 4 draws

So not great by any stretch. But 8 of those Tests were against India, who have always been tough to beat and got some results over us so that does muddy it a little. But no matter how you look at it it is lot worse than WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

yes, replacing warne and McGrath would be impossible. in aussie pitches, i thought Clark and McGill would be able to cover up decently. but unfortunately McGill retired due to his injury. Haddin is a decent keeper but replacing Gilchrist is too big an ask for any one on the planet.

SA have a good bowling line up and can rattle the aussie batsmen, especially if they are low in confidence. Smith, Amla are in great form but Kallis below par performance of late is a cause for concern for the saffers. i think if he can pull his weight, SA shud win the series for the first time and Ponting could be under pressure to retain captaincy.

 

[161]

this really puts things into perspective .. the indian victory wasn't all that impressive after all !

 

[Rajan]

this really puts things into perspective .. the indian victory wasn't all that impressive after all !

dont jump the gun so fast. the test is still young. how ever if it helps you getting high by belittling india's performance in the just concluded series, be my guest! enjoy at the expense of Aussies.

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

Looks like the series in India wasn't a blip and Australia are facing a real crisis on their hands with their line-up.

I initially thought having Andrew Symonds back would strengthen the team but, this 1st inning failure from the batting stars of Australia is an indication they are weak against mediocre bowling attacks and the South African and Englsih attacks must be encouraged by seeing this...

 

[Big Harvey]

Southee's a bit green but the raw materials are there.

I really rate this kid. He made a spectacular entrance to Test cricket early this year, but picked up an injury, and disappointed a bit in England as a result. Hopefully he's now back at his best, and if he is, he's going to trouble even the best batsmen. It's hard to believe he's so young.

As far as the Kiwi batting goes, watch out for Jesse Ryder. Let's just hope the temptations of Australia's nightlife (and meat pies) don't prove to be his undoing.

 

[jusarrived]

Ponting as usual cant score if there is soothing in the pitch !

 

[Savak]

Bad phase for the Aussies, looks like the tour of India has left some physcological scars. In fact they barely scrounged their way to victory against a weak West Indian team, considering how the West Indies capitulated from winning positions against Pakistan, one has to question the significance of that victory. Besides the Aussies won against the Indians 2-1 in the home test series but would have drawn the series had it not been for Bucknor. Besides they played really defensively in the last test at home to ensure the scoreline would read 2-1 at the end of the series.

This has not been an impressive year at all for the Aussies.

 

[Ajeyastra]

Fish,

"The new world order indeed, do you feel a little insecure in the current world order. Dont you feel like you are part of the current system."

Insecure, no. Aggrieved and letdown by lack of fairness, yes.

"Oh let me guess India is going to be the grand superior being of cricket and if you want to play them then you have to let them win or they wont play."

India already is. And no, they'll have to be fair and competent, or be ready to take the boot.


"Hang on I've got it now. Every game will have a jet parked outside the game and if the umpire makes a wrong decision agaist India then all the players jump on the jet and fly home and if they are in India it will just fly around for a few hours then land again"

Funny. Not.

If the Umpire is a repeat offender who specializes in giving wrong decision against only one team while blatantly favoring the other, and if the officials in charge refuse to address the issue, we definitely won't hesitate to give them the boot and fly first class. It's just a game. If you can't play it fair, you don't deserve to be played with.

 

[bones20]

Still jealous of the Aussies I see

Absolutely and that too with passion.

There was a funny incident after the last test match against Australia. I had to go to TWC to return their equipment and the lady behind the counter almost sounded like an Australian (like M Slater). So I asked her if she was an Australian and she smilingly said "yes, cant hide the accent". So there I got my prey and I started gloating to her about our test series win. I thought she was a middle age, lady, so was expecting an uncaring reply but she retorted back asking how long it took us to beat them. I told her that that was the reason I was looking to find some Aussies to dish out some rubbing. She was also aware of the IPL stuff and all. It was a very lively conversation with her. I have generally found Aussies to be very positive, energetic, fearless and confident.

 

[OZGOD]

You know what, I actually don't mind seeing Tests played on these types of pitches where the ball is seaming and swinging like a biatch. It's good to see scores of 200-odd and batsmen being tested by good bowlers who know how to use the surface. It's only going to get worse I reckon, being the Gabba. The total could be alright depending on how well we bowl early tomorrow. If we can do some damage with the new ball we're right in this. Tait would have LOVED this pitch.

 

[Oxy]

this really puts things into perspective .. the indian victory wasn't all that impressive after all !

That was my first thought - but I'll wait until the series is over to see whether it was Indian dominace or Aussie incompetence!

NZ have to be one of the worst sides out there - todays scorecard is mind-boggling!

 

[Savak]

You know what, I actually don't mind seeing Tests played on these types of pitches where the ball is seaming and swinging like a biatch. It's good to see scores of 200-odd and batsmen being tested by good bowlers who know how to use the surface. It's only going to get worse I reckon, being the Gabba. The total could be alright depending on how well we bowl early tomorrow. If we can do some damage with the new ball we're right in this. Tait would have LOVED this pitch.

The question is why isnt Tait in the side? I personally feel the Aussies are messing up with Tait. He should be in the side. He needs experience, he is a match winner. He will only become consistent with match practice. He would be a wonderful addition to the bowling attack.

 

[sachindan]

That was my first thought - but I'll wait until the series is over to see whether it was Indian dominace or Aussie incompetence!

NZ have to be one of the worst sides out there - todays scorecard is mind-boggling!

Oxy, why my post was deleted ?

it was more in humour than anything else

 

[Oxy]

Oxy, why my post was deleted ?

it was more in humour than anything else

Ive been a deleting a lot of 'humour' posts from new posters registered in Nov 2008, who are Indian fans - you dont want your first impression on PakPassion to be that of a TROLL poster.

 

[Ghoshtbuster]

Im supportig Aus on this one.

Kiwis are weirdos.

 

[Easa]

Same.

New Zealand are crap. And getting crappier. Plus, they got bowled out by Sami. Mohammad Sami. Bowled out twice.

'Nuff said.

 

[OZGOD]

Seems like the end is coming now man.

I remember the West Indies, even after most of their great players had gone, carried on beating all and sundry because of the aura they had and because the players genuinely believed they could beat anyone.

India aside because our brave friends got a bit scared of the fast bowlers )

Then Australia took them down in a Test series at home and the players lost that aura and confidence and the ship went down. Obviously the difference is we have young players and a good domestic system to rebuild whereas the West Indies had nothing coming through. But to me at least the parallel exists.

Will the Saffers take us down at home this summer?

Bit early to call doom and gloom mate. We all thought the India series was going to be tough given the lack of a spin option so I'm less surprised that we lost that series than I was during the Ashes in 05. As for this I obviously didn't see all the first day's play, but I'm not slitting my wrists quite yet. If we cop a hiding in this Test and struggle the following one then I will start to get concerned.

It's easy to underestimate a team like NZ who always get up for a match against us. They have nothing to lose so they're going to have a go. When they actually get in a position where they look like they have a real chance at victory later in the Test we'll see what they're made of.

That said, you raise a good point about confidence. They say that one of the biggest levellers in sport is the subtraction of fear by the underdog - that moment when the underdog starts to believe that he can win. Because that's usually accompanied by the start of self-doubt by the favourite, and that can tip the scales.

To me, the OZ team look like they've lost some confidence in themselves and their approach, like they're starting to doubt themselves. You would expect it of blokes like Haddin, Watson, etc because they're trying to prove themselves - to me they look like they're trying not to perform poorly, as opposed to trying to perform well. This is where blokes like Ponting, Clarke, Haydunce, Lee and Clark need to really show the way and LEAD. One of them needs to do a Steve Waugh/Allan Border (or a McGrath/Warne) and either stay at the crease for a long period or take some wickets to swing the momentum back and give the side some confidence. Clarke did that but the others also need to step up.

 

[OZGOD]

The question is why isnt Tait in the side? I personally feel the Aussies are messing up with Tait. He should be in the side. He needs experience, he is a match winner. He will only become consistent with match practice. He would be a wonderful addition to the bowling attack.

He probably doesn't need the pressure right now. I would prefer him to get a season of Shield cricket under his belt again rather than trying to make his way back via international cricket. He's getting match practice right now anyway.