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Australia v South Africa | 2nd Test | Hobart | Nov 12-16, 2016 | Day 1

i know junaids started barracking for asif just to troll the fans :P but i do think that argument is gaining for weight every time i see australia bat.
 
Junaids said:
His timetable is irrelevant, it's what the team needs and when.

They need Asif's skills for Australian conditions - and they don't return for another 6 years.

The bottom line is that they need a tall, right-arm fast-medium bowler who moves it off the seam from a full length.

And neither Sohail Khan nor Imran Khan can do that.
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'The team needs Asif so the team must select him even though he's injured'

Are you even listening to yourself?
 
also the crowd on the first morning is yet again shockingly poor.
 
Big Mac said:
'The team needs Asif so the team must select him even though he's injured'

Are you even listening to yourself?
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He has a slight side strain and bowled 45 overs with it in the round before last.

He has already bowled his team into the semi-finals, and so he was rested from the last round so that he could get some rest and let his side strain settle down.

By the time the Quaid-e-Azam trophy final comes around immediately before the First Test v Australia December Mohammad Asif will bowl at least another 60 overs.

I don't see the point in him bowling them in domestic cricket. If he has a finite number of quality overs left in his legs this summer and in his career, why not bowl them in the service of his country rather than in a nothing match at home?
 
Junaids said:
He has a slight side strain and bowled 45 overs with it in the round before last.

He has already bowled his team into the semi-finals, and so he was rested from the last round so that he could get some rest and let his side strain settle down.

By the time the Quaid-e-Azam trophy final comes around immediately before the First Test v Australia December Mohammad Asif will bowl at least another 60 overs.

I don't see the point in him bowling them in domestic cricket. If he has a finite number of quality overs left in his legs this summer and in his career, why not bowl them in the service of his country rather than in a nothing match at home?
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Because right now he's getting out bowled by Mohammed Irfan?
 
Big Mac said:
Because right now he's getting out bowled by Mohammed Irfan?
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Firstly, Asif is the only Pakistani whose domestic performances are going viral, because he is bowling deliveries that nobody else can.

Secondly, I've been clear all along that in my opinion Mohammad Irfan's second half of 2016 should have been one in which his workload was managed to ensure that he could play the Boxing Day test at the MCG, because I think his unique bounce would be lethal there.

Just a one-off horses-for-courses return for a single Test.
 
lahoriyah1234 said:
I just feel PCB been unfair to Asif in comparison to Amir who was given a royal welcome despite being as guilty as any of the other 2. Personally Asif should be given another chance, as he still have 3 good yrs of cricket left in him, he is slim and skinny and his muscle and his body is still in good shape and he is not injury prone. He should have been in Inzamam selection plan for Aussies tour. Although i dont have any sympathy for Salman butt he should be left in wilderness in domestic for the rest of his life.
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If Aamir has been included , both Asif and Salman deserve a chance , but on merit.
 
Junaids said:
Firstly, Asif is the only Pakistani whose domestic performances are going viral, because he is bowling deliveries that nobody else can.

Secondly, I've been clear all along that in my opinion Mohammad Irfan's second half of 2016 should have been one in which his workload was managed to ensure that he could play the Boxing Day test at the MCG, because I think his unique bounce would be lethal there.

Just a one-off horses-for-courses return for a single Test.
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Don't throw up random conspiracies. Are you watching any of his First Class performances? How are you to know that he is "bowling deliveries no one else can"?

The only reason Asif's domestic performances are supposedly going viral is due to the publicity surrounding Asif's comeback. In the same way when Amir was playing first class cricket a montage of his bowling was uploaded every week, does that mean he is out performing other bowlers? By no means.

The guys being outbowled by Mir Hamza, Ghulam Mudassar and Fahim Ashraf of all people.
 
Justcrazy said:
If Aamir has been included , both Asif and Salman deserve a chance , but on merit.
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True, particularly Butt. For Asif's case is a bit different - he has been a naughty boy of PAK cricket for long. May be legally, he got away with his antics, even without the fixing issues (which I think was absolute foolish for him - this is where education comes handy), he had several incidences. I think, the main issue is Shahriar Khan - a long term diplomat & a very polished personality; my hunch is, it's him who doesn't want Asif to be around PAK team. Apart from few media blow-outs, in last 3/4 years PAK team has managed themselves perfectly, mainly due to the iron fist of Khan. I think, it's his indirect instruction to go slow with Asif. Butt didn't perform up to the mark for a recall, but Asif is a case of paying past dues.
 
May be, it's a good idea that SAF just keeps scoring rate tight & allow Aussies to bat for couple of hours, so that the wicket loses a bit of juice. For AUS, they should just go all-out & get as many as possible; then bowl well on helpful condition & bank on 2nd innings when SAF will be without VP.
 
Has it become customary for the Aussies to have a freaking <100 collapse every damn year :))

Australian Cricket probably at an all time low I guess :(
 
PP still believes Smith is an FTB? Evidence to the contrary has always been overwhelming and he's showing it here too
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], Australia to declare by tea to have a crack at South Africa before the sun sets, what say?
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Has it become customary for the Aussies to have a freaking <100 collapse every damn year :))

Australian Cricket probably at an all time low I guess :(
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I'd love for Pakistan to have an all time low where they are reigning world cup champions.
 
Australian media reported during their 4-0 whitewash in India that it was their worst team ever.

I wonder how that team compares with the current team..
 
If this is against SAF attack without Styen, I wonder what Aussies are going to do against Ash-Jad on rank turners !!!!!!!!!
 
Suleiman said:
I'd love for Pakistan to have an all time low where they are reigning world cup champions.
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Sully bahi please don't compare limited overs tripe with real cricket. I only follow one form of the game and that's the one that actually matters.
 
Feeling for Smith here.

Surely Lehmann has gotta get the chop. Mickey got fired for losing 4 consecutive test matches. If Australia lose this, this will be their 5th consecutive loss..
 
OS_89 said:
PP still believes Smith is an FTB? Evidence to the contrary has always been overwhelming and he's showing it here too
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He avg's very good everywhere,scored runs all over whenever he get chances

Poor old Smith, I really think it's unfair how much he gets attacked on this forum . He is by far the best thing about Australian cricket these days. He actually cares. He actually hates losing. He actually fights
 
Abbott born in the wrong part of the world.....could have regularly in any other side
 
This Australian team is the worst I have ever seen in my lifetime. If they play on the same wickets against Pakistan, they are going to lose the series for sure.

Still remember [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] calling Australia better than Pakistan in tests.
 
Philander fifer. What a performance. Australia have never been humiliated in Australia like this since Ambrose's heyday I suppose.
 
Big Mac said:
Steve Waugh school of batting with the tail
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If they are 200/ 9 or 300/9 it makes sense. At 80/9 it's extremely risky, at least Smith can tonk couple of boundaries even if they refuse those singles. Let them spend some time at the middle and have strike later, on a seaming pitch you give a full over to tailenders early on in their innings is recipe for disaster!
 
Good job they picked Joe Mennie for his batting.

He was second highest scorer.

He scored 10.
 
Starc doing effort here , SA need to preserve there wickets here , they can get a big lead.
 
I still can't understand how could Aussies got all-out inside 200 balls here!!!!
 
Mitch Starc is still good, but he doesn't look anywhere near fully fit to me.

Three overs and out of the attack.
 
Junaids said:
Mitch Starc is still good, but he doesn't look anywhere near fully fit to me.

Three overs and out of the attack.
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Also, I think for this Test, they have gone with 3 pacers. Probably Starc will be used in short bursts - I think, he'll replace Josh from other end for another 3/4 overs; thus Aussies can use 3 pacers in first 23-25 overs.
 
Junaids said:
Seriously, that's not in great taste.

Stephen Cook missed 6 years of Test cricket because Alviro Peterson was picked for quota reasons in spite of being an inferior batsman.

I marched for the Anti-Apartheid movement in the 1980s. But I didn't march for reversed racism.

Who picks three quicks and a spinner at the WACA? And South Africa had to, because they needed to pick a spinner for his colour.
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Do you actually believe the crap that you post?
Morkel was "dropped because of colour", yet he has never won a match for SA (helpful conditions or otherwise).

Cook wasn't selected because of colour? Seriously?
The guy didn't even start scoring consistently until he was in his 30's. Alviro comfortably out performed him in first class cricket. Cook has come into his own in the last 4 years.
Because of his age the selectors were reluctant to pick him and looked for younger alternatives. Hence they tried Van Zyl. When that didn't work out, the selectors were left with no choice but select Cook.
Why was Van Zyl picked ahead of Cook? Was it some form of racism too?

As for selecting 3 seamers for the WACCA, what was the alternative? Before I even clarify your inane point of view, i should ask, how much of South African cricket do you watch?
SA tried a similar strategy in Australia before and if it wasn't for Kallis we would have been screwed. When JP got injured, we had Kallis to plug those overs.
Steyn just popped his shoulder, having only three fast bowlers and no specialist spinner isn't smart. Our bowlers would have been bowled to the ground without Maharaja. No way JP would have bowled with such control and kept things tight whilst the seamers are given a breather.

Speaking of 'colour' and useless spinners, we had Paul Harris who played for SA for a long time. Apart from plugging an end, he was useless as they come, including a day 5 pitch. It would be interesting to hear your views on his merits. But i guess he was white, right? So just pick him.
 
What the hell... I just can easily back from the movie and saw the scorecard. Damnit I missed it
 
soso_killer said:
s for selecting 3 seamers for the WACCA, what was the alternative? Before I even clarify your inane point of view, i should ask, how much of South African cricket do you watch?
SA tried a similar strategy in Australia before and if it wasn't for Kallis we would have been screwed. When JP got injured, we had Kallis to plug those overs.
Steyn just popped his shoulder, having only three fast bowlers and no specialist spinner isn't smart. Our bowlers would have been bowled to the ground without Maharaja. No way JP would have bowled with such control and kept things tight whilst the seamers are given a breather.
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Duminy can bowl about 10 overs a day at most. You are right having a spinner is essential.
 
Australia 85all out
South Africa 43/0 (18.0 ov)
Dean Elgar 17 (60)
Stephen Cook 23 (48)
 
soso_killer said:
Do you actually believe the crap that you post?
Morkel was "dropped because of colour", yet he has never won a match for SA (helpful conditions or otherwise).
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On merit, either Morne Morkel or Kyle Abbott should have played at Perth in a 4 man pace attack. Either Duminy could have been the spinner, or De Kock could have batted higher.

The problem is that there have to be 6 players of colour selected of whom 2 much be black.

Bavuma and Rabada start every Test because only they fill the black positions. That will be hard for them if and when they go through a bad run of form.

That left the selectors needing to find 4 other coloured players. Amla and Philander are there on merit, while Duminy would be there on merit now but hasn't been of late.

So in order to have FAF as skipper, that only leaves 1 position for a white fast bowler. So it became a matter of picking one out of Steyn or Abbott or Morkel, and omitting two of them.

The only way to get a second white fast bowler in was to either drop a white batsman or drop the white wicketkeeper, which can't happen anyway as the back-up keeper is white too.

These are the trade-offs which have to be made all the time.
 
Once upon a time, Pakistan bowlers, like starc, also come in and rip opposition. Ah those good old days. Crowd in stadium enjoyed Vicky, Was, shobby, rather saqi or mushy. This is fact
 
South Africa 46/3 (20.4 ov)
Stac gets Duminy
 
soso_killer said:
It's hard to take a guy advocating for match fixers and drug addicts seriously anyway.
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Should have been here last year when he was talking about the NZ bowlers being the best and how NZ were going to thrash Australia.
 
Gilly said:
Should have been here last year when he was talking about the NZ bowlers being the best and how NZ were going to thrash Australia.
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Mmmm.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, one Test team has in the last 5 years been:

47 all out
60 all out
85 all out.

Oh well, at least the Aussies are improving.
 
Unless Aussies get Amla out by 35th over, I guess it'll take the 2nd ball to get him out.
 
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