Ayodhya Ram Mandir: India PM Modi inaugurates Hindu temple on razed Babri mosque site [Update in post#488]

[miandadrules]

Now you have followed me onto this thread!
I feel i am being stalked!

The one who sees evil in others but is blind to his own evils, is the true evil one!

That’s strange.

Who is blind to their evils?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Honestly, who cares? Such a silly point to argue over. It's not like its Masjid al Aqsa or Masjid al Haram or any other mosque of significance. If Hindu's claim the area to be religiously significant to them just give it to them and build a mosque elsewhere.

Can't understand what all the issue is about. Seems as though its just a matter of ego more than anything.

I suppose you could say the same if someone knocked on your door and informed you your house was to be demolished and you were being allocated another home somewhere else.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

btw any news on those politicians getting punished for incitement?

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] anything to say?

 

[Abdullah719]

Honestly, who cares? Such a silly point to argue over. It's not like its Masjid al Aqsa or Masjid al Haram or any other mosque of significance. If Hindu's claim the area to be religiously significant to them just give it to them and build a mosque elsewhere.

Can't understand what all the issue is about. Seems as though its just a matter of ego more than anything.

https://scroll.in/article/943206/to...d-babri-demolition-must-be-brought-to-justice

This is the issue.

 

[Zaz]

There is a criminal case that is ongoing against those who brought down the mosque ( which was wrong ) .

But do tell us how you consider the Muslims as being civilized given that they still are fighting for a mosque that has been proven beyond doubt to have been constructed right over the foundation of a temple as proven by the ASI excavations which included observers from Muslim side. ( And then there is the small matter of them hailing these rogue Muslim invaders as heroes but I will let that pass for now ).

Ongoing criminal case? The mosque was demolished 27 years ago and the criminal case is still ongoing Yes sure justice will be served Im sure the muslims in india sleep contently that justice is fair and swift in shining india under this radical hindu govt

So fighting in court for your rights is uncivilised? The ones that tore down the masjid like wild animals i guess were civilised

The ASI exca are a sham and has been proven numerous times No need to keep beating this sham of a drum

 

[miandadrules]

Now you have followed me onto this thread!
I feel i am being stalked!

The one who sees evil in others but is blind to his own evils, is the true evil one!

I think you may have missed my question.

Who’s evil are you referring too.

Please be a little specific, as you know about my limited comprehension skills.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Ongoing criminal case? The mosque was demolished 27 years ago and the criminal case is still ongoing Yes sure justice will be served Im sure the muslims in india sleep contently that justice is fair and swift in shining india under this radical hindu govt

In India you get rewarded for actions against Muslims. Vajpayee and Advani after Ayodhya and Modi after Gujarat.

No politician will be punished for Ayodhya just like Gujarat.

 

[Captain caveman]

I think you may have missed my question.

Who’s evil are you referring too.

Please be a little specific, as you know about my limited comprehension skills.

Evil are the ones with hate in their hearts

 

[miandadrules]

Evil are the ones with hate in their hearts

I apologise for my poor comprehension skills but I did ask for specifics.

Whom are you referring to and how does it relate to this thread?

 

[Captain caveman]

I apologise for my poor comprehension skills but I did ask for specifics.

Whom are you referring to and how does it relate to this thread?

To the people responsible for destroying a mosque on the the basis of religious fanatism

 

[miandadrules]

To the people responsible for destroying a mosque on the the basis of religious fanatism

Oh, but I thought you said that it’s human nature?

 

[cricketjoshila]

We know the manner in which the ASI conducted the excavations, there is plenty of evidence out there.
This should never have gone to the courts never mind the SC. We know why it want this way.

btw any news on those politicians getting punished for incitement?

You know what Huff post said in its article. Not what was said in the supreme court.

You can lie in an article. You cannot lie in the supreme court without risking perjury charges.

 

[Captain caveman]

Oh, but I thought you said that it’s human nature?

Tribalism was a fundamental human charactreristics, which we evolved with, it ensured the survival of one's tribe against other tribes. Its what helped caveman tribes to develop and flourish. Over the course of 300, 000 years, man has deveoped and has educated himself from being a wild savage to a more sophisicated creature. However, not everyone has overcome these primodial instncts of hate of others not of your tribe.

You should read up on the evolutionary traits of men and tribalism.

 

[miandadrules]

Tribalism was a fundamental human charactreristics, which we evolved with, it ensured the survival of one's tribe against other tribes. Its what helped caveman tribes to develop and flourish. Over the course of 300, 000 years, man has deveoped and has educated himself from being a wild savage to a more sophisicated creature. However, not everyone has overcome these primodial instncts of hate of others not of your tribe.

You should read up on the evolutionary traits of men and tribalism.

Once again, you fail to answer the question.

What is the difference between human nature and an evil act in this and the 1971 context.

I know it’s my comprehension that is failing but I think it’s reasonable to ask for this clarification. You seem to go for one broad, blanket statement to the next.

 

[Captain caveman]

Once again, you fail to answer the question.

What is the difference between human nature and an evil act in this and the 1971 context.

I know it’s my comprehension that is failing but I think it’s reasonable to ask for this clarification. You seem to go for one broad, blanket statement to the next.

Human nature at the start of modern man's development 300,000 years ago, was primodial, basically kill or be killed. The tribalism that existed was to safeguard the lifeline of the tribe and outsiders were either assimilated or killed.
In over the 300, 000 years of modern man's deveopment, man has become civilised, and less barbaric, but some people still have have that primodial instinct of tribalism and kill or be killed, and even people who normally wouldn't behave in such a manner, revert back to these primodial instincts at time of war or tribalism, such as religious disputes.

This is what i am refering to as human nature.

Furthermore, even though i refer to this as human nature, it does not mean i condone it in anyway.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Well, to be honest we would have done the same with any Mandir. So i think it's pretty balanced verdict. At least they have given a separate land to build a mosque. So its fine.

 

[Hitman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This can happen only in India.<br>Where a Justice Abdul Nazeer is a part of a unanimous verdict. And a KK Muhammed gives historical evidences. Idea of India is much bigger than any ideology can ever comprehend. May everyone be happy, I pray for peace,love & harmony <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AYODHYAVERDICT?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AYODHYAVERDICT</a></p>— Mohammad Kaif (@MohammadKaif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MohammadKaif/status/1193167821888319494?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Captain caveman]

Well, to be honest we would have done the same with any Mandir. So i think it's pretty balanced verdict. At least they have given a separate land to build a mosque. So its fine.

Your house was built on my forefathers hut, i am afraid i am kicking you out of your house and i am going to knock your house down!
I 'm not evil, i will give you some scrap land where you can build a new house.

NOW GET OFF MY LAND!

 

[miandadrules]

Human nature at the start of modern man's development 300,000 years ago, was primodial, basically kill or be killed. The tribalism that existed was to safeguard the lifeline of the tribe and outsiders were either assimilated or killed.
In over the 300, 000 years of modern man's deveopment, man has become civilised, and less barbaric, but some people still have have that primodial instinct of tribalism and kill or be killed, and even people who normally wouldn't behave in such a manner, revert back to these primodial instincts at time of war or tribalism, such as religious disputes.

This is what i am refering to as human nature.

Furthermore, even though i refer to this as human nature, it does not mean i condone it in anyway.

Once again restoring to waffle.

I don’t need an explanation of what tribalism is. I am well aware of it.

I’ll ask this again.

What is the difference between Human nature and an evil act in the context of this thread and 1971.

One you seem to bend over backwards to justify while the other you label instantly.

I hope we don’t get another waffle filled response and you finally address specifics.

 

[miandadrules]

Your house was built on my forefathers hut, i am afraid i am kicking you out of your house and i am going to knock your house down!
I 'm not evil, i will give you some scrap land where you can build a new house.

NOW GET OFF MY LAND!

It’s human nature, so you shouldn’t have a problem with it.

According to you.

 

[Lonewarrior]

You are still peddling this nonsense based on that Huffington post article ?

are you indian or pakistani ?

 

[Captain caveman]

It’s human nature, so you shouldn’t have a problem with it.

According to you.

Its not about if i have a problem with it or not. I dont really care to be honest.
But theres no way of getting away from it, its human nature.
It was done by humans, not aliens and hence its human nature - understand thicko?

 

[Iqbal'sh]

You know what Huff post said in its article. Not what was said in the supreme court.

You can lie in an article. You cannot lie in the supreme court without risking perjury charges.

What lies are in the article? I’m all ears.

Whilst you’re searching for these also answer the other question raised, the one that you seem to be avoiding, which politician has been punished for the incitement to date? After all your judiciary has had the best part of 3 decades.

 

[miandadrules]

Its not about if i have a problem with it or not. I dont really care to be honest.
But theres no way of getting away from it, its human nature.
It was done by humans, not aliens and hence its human nature - understand thicko?

Thicko! Yes that’s me.

But a thicko that can substantiate what he claims. What do we call someone who can’t?

Anyhow, back to the topic and the question I keep asking.

What’s the difference between human nature and an evil act. These are terms you have used, and the context is given in those respective threads.

Hopefully, we’ll finally get an answer.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah that makes it alright, they havent even said where this land to build the mosque will be, it could be in the middle of a jungle/desert .

And where do the muslims go to pray during the time it takes for the mosque to be built?

And did the SC say anything about WHO WILL PAY for this mosque to be built?
All i have read is that are going to give them some land.

1.Land will be alloted in a prominent place in Ayodhya. As per the order.

2.Babri masjid was not used for many decades before its demolition in 1992. Did muslims stop praying?

3. The Sunni Wakf board will be building the mosque.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What lies are in the article? I’m all ears.

Whilst you’re searching for these also answer the other question raised, the one that you seem to be avoiding, which politician has been punished for the incitement to date? After all your judiciary has had the best part of 3 decades.

It took 130 plus years for this case to resolve.

The politicians are facing criminal charges in the case and are out on bail.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well, to be honest we would have done the same with any Mandir. So i think it's pretty balanced verdict. At least they have given a separate land to build a mosque. So its fine.

I think atleast someone understands this.

This mosque was akin to idols kept in Kabba.

 

[Captain caveman]

1.Land will be alloted in a prominent place in Ayodhya. As per the order.

2.Babri masjid was not used for many decades before its demolition in 1992. Did muslims stop praying?

3. The Sunni Wakf board will be building the mosque.

Where exactly?(are the muslims happy with the location)

Who is going to pay for the construction of the mosque? Wheres the money coming from, the government or do the muslims have to pay for it?
Who are the sunni wakf, will they be paying for the construction of the mosque and if so, where do they get their funds from, is it the govt or the muslim community?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where exactly?(are the muslims happy with the location)

Who is going to pay for the construction of the mosque? Wheres the money coming from, the government or do the muslims have to pay for it?
Who are the sunni wakf, will they be paying for the construction of the mosque and if so, where do they get their funds from, is it the govt or the muslim community?

1. Where exactly will be decided by consultation with the sunni wakf board.

2. Is the govt paying for the temple? No. Neither they should.

3. If you dont know what the sunni wakf board is then you should reconsider your claims.

4. The Sunni central wakf board manages all muslim religious and charitable endowment s and is a statutory body of the govt of India.

 

[andy0204]

1.Land will be alloted in a prominent place in Ayodhya. As per the order.

2.Babri masjid was not used for many decades before its demolition in 1992. Did muslims stop praying?

3. The Sunni Wakf board will be building the mosque.

Not yet decided,Decision will be taken on 26 Nov whether to build or not.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...HEAQ&usg=AOvVaw2N7LVCCLeN3nk4XZA5Qe4S&ampcf=1

 

[Captain caveman]

1. Where exactly will be decided by consultation with the sunni wakf board.

2. Is the govt paying for the temple? No. Neither they should.

3. If you dont know what the sunni wakf board is then you should reconsider your claims.

4. The Sunni central wakf board manages all muslim religious and charitable endowment s and is a statutory body of the govt of India.

So no idea of the location of the mosque and whether the muslims are going to be happy with the location.

And you are not being clear who pays for the construction of the new mosque sounds like the muslim community will have to pay for it, is that correct?
please answer concisely.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Your house was built on my forefathers hut, i am afraid i am kicking you out of your house and i am going to knock your house down!
I 'm not evil, i will give you some scrap land where you can build a new house.

NOW GET OFF MY LAND!

Like we destroyed Qadiyani's religious places in 1988 in Mardan, and we didnt even bother to give them some alternate place. So yeah.

And if my house is in India, it's closed since 3,4 decades and am living in Pakistan then yeah go ahead and destroy it, even bomb it i won't care.

They are giving Indian Muslims a land (Which will be in Ayodha, not some scrap land) Where Muslims should built a better mosque. The purpose is praying and it could be done in new mosque as well.

Get over it bro.

 

[Captain caveman]

Like we destroyed Qadiyani's religious places in 1988 in Mardan, and we didnt even bother to give them some alternate place. So yeah.

And if my house is in India, it's closed since 3,4 decades and am living in Pakistan then yeah go ahead and destroy it, even bomb it i won't care.

They are giving Indian Muslims a land (Which will be in Ayodha, not some scrap land) Where Muslims should built a better mosque. The purpose is praying and it could be done in new mosque as well.

Get over it bro.

Nothing to get over, i'm not bothered, i'm just debating for fun with my indian brothers on this forum.

I dont know anything about the other case you highlighted, i live in the uk, so cant comment.
The babri mosque was headline news on the bbc and has been covered over the last 10 years, thats why i am aware of it.

 

[MenInG]

The Sunni Central Waqf Board on Sunday said a decision on whether to accept a five-acre land for building a mosque in Ayodhya will be taken at its meeting likely on November 26. In a unanimous verdict, the Supreme Court on Saturday paved the way for the construction of a Ram temple at the disputed site at Ayodhya, while directing the centre to allot a five-acre plot to the Sunni Waqf Board for building a mosque.

UP Sunni Central Waqf Board Chairman, Zufar Farooqui, told PTI that he was getting diverse views on whether to take the land. "Board's general body meeting is expected on November 26 in which it will be decided whether to take five-acre land as directed by the Supreme Court or not," he said.

"The meeting was earlier scheduled on Nov 13 but it was postponed and is now expected on Nov 26. I am getting diverse views on taking the land but I personally feel negativity can be won only with positivity," Mr Farooqui said.

He said some persons are advising that land should not be taken for the Babri mosque but "I think it will increase negativity."

Noting that he had advocated for mediation to resolve Ayodhya issue, Mr Farooqui said, "Though mediation did not succeed my views are clear."


"Some persons are also advising that the land should be taken by Waqf board and an educational institution, with a mosque established on its premises," he said.

He said as far as land is concerned, the government has to follow the Supreme Court verdict.

"We will decide whether we will take it or not. If the Board decides to take land in its meeting, we will decide how it is to be taken and what will be its condition," he added. "We welcome the Supreme Court verdict in the case. The Board has no plans to challenge it. The Board had last month proposed withdrawing claim on the disputed land with some conditions in national interest," he said.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/may...-central-waqf-board-2130275?pfrom=home-livetv

 

[cricketjoshila]

So no idea of the location of the mosque and whether the muslims are going to be happy with the location.

And you are not being clear who pays for the construction of the new mosque sounds like the muslim community will have to pay for it, is that correct?
please answer concisely.

1. The order was passed yesterday and the Sunni Wakf board will give its opinion on 26th. And you already want the locatiy.

2. Sunni Wakf board pays. They come under the ministry of minority affairs. They get money from the govt as well as through managing their properties. The wakf board is one of the largest land owners in the country.

3. The land will be provided free of cost.

 

[Captain caveman]

1. The order was passed yesterday and the Sunni Wakf board will give its opinion on 26th. And you already want the locatiy.

2. Sunni Wakf board pays. They come under the ministry of minority affairs. They get money from the govt as well as through managing their properties. The wakf board is one of the largest land owners in the country.

3. The land will be provided free of cost.

Thanks!
So the muslim community dont have to pay, at least thats something.
Oh well, whats done is done, time to move on and lets pray something like this doesn't happen again.
Peace is the only way!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thanks!
So the muslim community dont have to pay, at least thats something.
Oh well, whats done is done, time to move on and lets pray something like this doesn't happen again.
Peace is the only way!

Tbh i want hindus and muslims to publicly donate for these two structure.

They should be grand and architectural marvels.

The plots should be on either banks of the Surayu river. Facing each other.

What a sight it would be!!!!

 

[Iqbal'sh]

It took 130 plus years for this case to resolve.

The politicians are facing criminal charges in the case and are out on bail.

So after claiming it was easy to lie in an article as opposed to in a courtroom you have failed to provide any examples. What does this make you? You have zero credibility on this forum.

Care to name which politicians these are? And the last time the court sat to look at the charges?

 

[uberkoen]

I suppose you could say the same if someone knocked on your door and informed you your house was to be demolished and you were being allocated another home somewhere else.

If they want to demolish my house and give me a bigger house in the same area. Hell yeah, I'd take it.

 

[Captain caveman]

If they want to demolish my house and give me a bigger house in the same area. Hell yeah, I'd take it.

But your house will be demolished today and we will have court proceedings for the next 10 years to sort out your compensation, and even after 10 years it is not decided were your new house will be located and then once this is decided we will start building your house, but we can't say how long it will take to build, maybe 5 years maybe longer.
But you don't mind being homeless for 15 maybe 20 years, maybe longer, who knows?
You will get a lovely new house , one day, i promise!

 

[Tiger96]

But your house will be demolished today and we will have court proceedings for the next 10 years to sort out your compensation, and even after 10 years it is not decided were your new house will be located and then once this is decided we will start building your house, but we can't say how long it will take to build, maybe 5 years maybe longer.
But you don't mind being homeless for 15 maybe 20 years, maybe longer, who knows?
You will get a lovely new house , one day, i promise!

Nice try but wrong analogy..

It was the Muslim Body because of whom the case dragged on for so long and in the end they were defeated. If they had compromised to release the land for the Hindus and opt for an out of court settlmement then they would have got a bigger land right away even before the demolition happened.. Offers were made but they were not ready to conpromise.

So if a person chooses for an out of court settlement for a bigger house , he gets it right away and he should be happy .

 

[Captain caveman]

Nice try but wrong analogy..

It was the Muslim Body because of whom the case dragged on for so long and in the end they were defeated. If they had compromised to release the land for the Hindus and opt for an out of court settlmement then they would have got a bigger land right away even before the demolition happened.. Offers were made but they were not ready to conpromise.

So if a person chooses for an out of court settlement for a bigger house , he gets it right away and he should be happy .

Fair enough, the difference being the poster was willing to have his house demolished by consent, which did not happen with the muslims community, who refused to agree to their mosque being demolished. But was forcefuly destroyed by hindu extemists.
And you should be ashamed of your victim blaming, that victims of crime go to seek justice, which ultimately, was not forthcoming.

You can say what you like and indians can do what they like, as their posters keep saying, but we can also condemn injustices and you cant stop us either, no matter how much it burns. In fact this was the headline story on the bbc and the decision was condemned unaminouly on the bbc, doesnt matter to indians, cant change anything, but why are indians so bothered with the criticism? Because it does matter to them(lol)!

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Nice try but wrong analogy..

It was the Muslim Body because of whom the case dragged on for so long and in the end they were defeated. If they had compromised to release the land for the Hindus and opt for an out of court settlmement then they would have got a bigger land right away even before the demolition happened.. Offers were made but they were not ready to conpromise.

So if a person chooses for an out of court settlement for a bigger house , he gets it right away and he should be happy .

A community going to the judiciary for a just decision in a dispute is now somehow blameworthy.
They were naive in thinking they would get justice from a majoritarian state and have been played all along, once the statues were placed inside the mosque in 49 the writing was on the wall.

 

[Kroll]

If they want to demolish my house and give me a bigger house in the same area. Hell yeah, I'd take it.

So the Muslims have just had 67 acres snatched off them to be given 5 acres of land instead. That's some deal, let's all hail Bharat Mata, the shining light of equality and justice!

 

[andy0204]

So the Muslims have just had 67 acres snatched off them to be given 5 acres of land instead. That's some deal, let's all hail Bharat Mata, the shining light of equality and justice!

Let it be,this is all pre planned by B.J.P.

 

[uberkoen]

So the Muslims have just had 67 acres snatched off them to be given 5 acres of land instead. That's some deal, let's all hail Bharat Mata, the shining light of equality and justice!

lol. It’s 2.7 acres not 67 acres. Read some actual news and facts instead of propaganda

 

[Gabbar Singh]

lol. It’s 2.7 acres not 67 acres. Read some actual news and facts instead of propaganda

Think he’s referring to this:

Explained: The 67 acres in Ayodhya
What is the ‘excess' land that the Central government acquired in 1993? Where does it stand in relation to the demolished Babri Masjid? What is the argument in the government’s application in Supreme Court?

https://indianexpress.com/article/e...abri-masjid-demolition-supreme-court-5560297/

 

[Kroll]

lol. It’s 2.7 acres not 67 acres. Read some actual news and facts instead of propaganda

Before you come out venting, you should see the news yourself and actually listen to what Muslims are saying on the ground.

Think he’s referring to this:



https://indianexpress.com/article/e...abri-masjid-demolition-supreme-court-5560297/

Thanks.

 

[CricketCartoons]

What a heart warming deliverance of justice that would make king solomon proud! A measly 2.77 acres for hindus and a generous 5 acres for muslims, which looks even more staggering on per capita basis (muslims getting 12 times more land than hindus per capita). It was possible only when the stars perfectly aligned: a great nation founded on ideals of tolerance and secularism, a nationalist and clean party in the government, a brave supreme court and the activists and martyrs who caused the deus ex machina and brought an end to a centuries old dispute to a beautiful conclusion.

 

[MenInG]

Indian police have arrested dozens of people for social media comments that allegedly threatened “communal harmony” after the Supreme Court awarded a holy site — where a mob demolished the 16th century Babri Mosque in 1992 — to Hindus, officials said Monday.

The site, in the northern city of Ayodhya, has in the past caused religious riots that have left thousands dead.

Security forces have been on alert since the verdict was announced on Saturday and remained on the city's streets as hundreds of thousands of Hindu pilgrims began arriving on Monday ahead of a religious festival.

Hindu and Muslim leaders have called for calm.

Police said the social media posts on platforms including Facebook, Twitter and YouTube had threatened “communal harmony”.

Read: Did the top court legalise India’s quest for a theocratic state?

At least 77 people were arrested in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh — where Ayodhya is located — after the Supreme Court decision, a police statement said.

Authorities acted against more than 8,270 posts, with steps including “reporting the posts to the social media platform” and “directly messaging the user to delete the message,” the statement said.

In two cases, police ordered users to take down their social media profiles, an Uttar Pradesh police spokesman said.

More than 2,800 posts were targeted on Twitter. There were 1,355 allegedly inflammatory comments on Facebook, and 98 YouTube videos, authorities said.

Police cybercrime units said they were using “sentiment analysis” programmes to identify suspect social media posts. A top Uttar Pradesh official said that several WhatsApp groups were asked to restrict their activities, according to media reports.

Eight other arrests were reported in the central state of Madhya Pradesh for social media comments.

A jail warden in the city of Gwalior was also arrested for celebrating with fireworks after the victory for Hindus.

A mosque had stood on the Ayodhya site for almost five centuries, but Hindus claim it was built on the birthplace of the warrior god Rama and a mob tore it down in 1992, setting off riots in which 2,000 people were killed.

Muslims are to be given a separate plot of land in the city to build a new mosque under the Supreme Court ruling. Several Hindu nationalist leaders still face trial over the 1992 demolition. More than one million Hindu pilgrims are expected in Ayodhya on Tuesday for an annual full moon religious festival.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1516088/dozens-detained-in-india-over-ayodhya-site-social-media-comments

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mustafa & Mohammed: The Indian Supreme Court’s flawed Ayodhya judgment will be remembered for the victory of faith over the rule of law. <a href="https://t.co/pbPFhhoMux">https://t.co/pbPFhhoMux</a></p>— Sadanand Dhume (@dhume) <a href="https://twitter.com/dhume/status/1193383934362619905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nice precident.

Mosques will fall like dominos in the years to come.

Hinduism has many 'Gods' so there could be hundreds of places where temples were 'existed'.

Wonder if the same extremists would climb a church or synagogue if they felt the same again? Church maybe but not a chance they would upset the Jews.

 

[Kroll]

Jameet-ul-Quresh president Mohd. Shareef Kale said the Supreme Court's decision was completely one-sided but it will be accepted by the Muslims. He added that however, the five-acre plot for building a new mosque is not acceptable as according to Islam, a mosque cannot be built on donated land.

Mufti Mudasssar Ali Qadri said if the Supreme Court had asked the government to give land for a mosque, it should have also ordered the Muslims to pay a proper price for the land. This way it would have been a monetary transaction, which is allowed under Islam, he said.


I didn't know about this rule regarding the building of mosques. Can anyone provide further details?

 

[Swashbuckler]

SC has erred, this isn't justice. I don't care about Babur or Aurangzeb, today's Indian Muslims aren't responsible for what some medieval king did in January 1528. India as we know it today came into existence in 1947, our constitution came into force in 1950, a fresh chapter. Pulling down the mosque was wrong, only justice is giving the land to a Muslim trust, financial compensation and punishing the culprits who vandalized the structure and every one of those individuals (Hindu, Muslim, politicians, police, all of them) who participated in riots.

 

[Captain caveman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mustafa & Mohammed: The Indian Supreme Court’s flawed Ayodhya judgment will be remembered for the victory of faith over the rule of law. <a href="https://t.co/pbPFhhoMux">https://t.co/pbPFhhoMux</a></p>— Sadanand Dhume (@dhume) <a href="https://twitter.com/dhume/status/1193383934362619905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thank you sir!
This is what i said all along, the indian SC has tarnished indian law in the eyes of the world by decreeing a religious verdict rather than a legal verdict.
Who will trust the indian legal system ever again, when the highest court in the land totally disregarded the law!

 

[Captain caveman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mustafa & Mohammed: The Indian Supreme Court’s flawed Ayodhya judgment will be remembered for the victory of faith over the rule of law. <a href="https://t.co/pbPFhhoMux">https://t.co/pbPFhhoMux</a></p>— Sadanand Dhume (@dhume) <a href="https://twitter.com/dhume/status/1193383934362619905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

India is a great country and will always be a great country, it is just going through a bad phase, which will only end when the true indians,such as the above poster and the tweeter are joined by more like mind souls.

Jai Hind
Pakistan Zindabad
Brothers forever, no evil force can ever keep us apart forever!

 

[Captain caveman]

India is a great country and will always be a great country, it is just going through a bad phase, which will only end when the true indians,such as the above poster and the tweeter are joined by more like mind souls.

Jai Hind
Pakistan Zindabad
Brothers forever, no evil force can ever keep us apart forever!

*minded

 

[Poseidon]

All India Muslim Personal Law Board decides to file review petition against Supreme Court’s Ayodhya verdict

The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) said on Sunday it will file a review petition within 30 days against the Supreme Court’s verdict on the Ramjanmabhoomi-Babri Masjid title suit.

The top court had last week ruled in favour of a Ram temple on the disputed 2.77-acre plot in Ayodhya. The court had also directed the central government to allot a five-acre plot of land in Ayodhya for construction of a mosque.

AIMPLB said it will not accept the alternative five-acre land. “We feel that restitution by granting five acres of land, where fundamental values have been damaged to the extent of causing national shame, will not in any manner heal the wounds caused,” AIMPLB said after a meeting in Lucknow.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/all-india-muslim-personal-law-board-decides-to-file-review-petition-against-supreme-court-s-ayodhya-verdict/story-XYKYzywJud6BKZYapICC4K.html

can mod edit the title plz.

 

[Kroll]

India is a great country and will always be a great country, it is just going through a bad phase, which will only end when the true indians,such as the above poster and the tweeter are joined by more like mind souls.

Jai Hind
Pakistan Zindabad
Brothers forever, no evil force can ever keep us apart forever!

Bear in mind, that's not Dume's own opinion, he's just quoting the two Muslims in his tweet.

 

[Kroll]

SC has erred, this isn't justice. I don't care about Babur or Aurangzeb, today's Indian Muslims aren't responsible for what some medieval king did in January 1528. India as we know it today came into existence in 1947, our constitution came into force in 1950, a fresh chapter. Pulling down the mosque was wrong, only justice is giving the land to a Muslim trust, financial compensation and punishing the culprits who vandalized the structure and every one of those individuals (Hindu, Muslim, politicians, police, all of them) who participated in riots.

Great post, the verdict might have been more palatable for the Muslims had there been a stronger response against the perpetrators of the destruction of the Mosque and the killing.

 

[Captain caveman]

Bear in mind, that's not Dume's own opinion, he's just quoting the two Muslims in his tweet.

Oh my bad!
I thought he was agreeing with the two muslims guys.
Oh well lets hope there are people in india who can see past hate and stand up against modi and his nasty followers, and bring back the old secular and peaceful values of india.

 

[Kroll]

Oh my bad!
I thought he was agreeing with the two muslims guys.
Oh well lets hope there are people in india who can see past hate and stand up against modi and his nasty followers, and bring back the old secular and peaceful values of india.

Could do, not made it clear. Guess he can't otherwise he would have a deluge of hate poured on him. A big problem for folk that want to speak out for what's right.

 

[Bel_Homme]

Indian Parliament's winter session starts today. Sources saying, bill for Uniform Civil code and Anti conversion law will be placed on table. And considering the majority this govt has, a bill placed is as good as bill passed. This Modi govt looks to be in a mission on its 2nd term. Interesting days ahead...lets see what unfolds.

 

[Lonewarrior]

 

[big_gamer007]

Indian Parliament's winter session starts today. Sources saying, bill for Uniform Civil code and Anti conversion law will be placed on table. And considering the majority this govt has, a bill placed is as good as bill passed. This Modi govt looks to be in a mission on its 2nd term. Interesting days ahead...lets see what unfolds.

Both are needed and should have been brought in decades ago.

 

[Akki malhotra]

Wao another great initiative by modi govt for minorities. Anti conversion laws. Wish these laws could be there in non secular countries.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wao another great initiative by modi govt for minorities. Anti conversion laws. Wish these laws could be there in non secular countries.

What is an anti conversion law? I don't think we have them in the UK, but then we are of course an underdevoped and unsophistated democracy compared to Modi's India.

 

[Akki malhotra]

What is an anti conversion law? I don't think we have them in the UK, but then we are of course an underdevoped and unsophistated democracy compared to Modi's India.

How much population is in UK? We give you 20 crore plus muslims and 80 crore plus hindus and 3 crore plus sikhs and then Christians and then all other religions which you may not find in any other place of planet and then come and talk.
Forget UK, no other country can run smoothly as India with so much diversity.
Anti-conversion law states that forced or induced conversions happen and need to be prevented.

 

[Bel_Homme]

What is an anti conversion law? I don't think we have them in the UK, but then we are of course an underdevoped and unsophistated democracy compared to Modi's India.

Every country has seperate issues and laws are designed to deal with them. Just bcoz a law don't exist in UK, does not mean other countries cant implement it.

Just a piece of history first - Conversion by christian missionaries in India is going for ages, especially in South India. Most of the Indian catholics (except the anglo Indians), their generational forefathers were hindus once upon a time. Missionaries and pastors targetted poor farmers (mostly) and either threatened them or lured them to convert to christianity. Hence you will see most have a hindu middle name in between their christian names.

But history aside, convertion by blackmailing is still rampant in India. Hence Govt is criminalizing any attempt to religious convert a person against his/her will.

 

[Hornbill]

Babri demolition accused hold key posts in Ram temple trust

Nritya Gopal Das and Champat Rai Bansal, chairman and general secretary of the trust set up to oversee construction of the Ram temple in Ayodhya, are both accused in the Babri Masjid demolition case

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...e-trust/article308.com73044.ece?homepage=true

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

There was an Indian Muslim girl, Irena Akbar, who created the #MosquesofIndia.

I would like to share her words on the Babri Masjid

"Once upon a time, there was Babri Masjid.

Built in 1528, desecrated in 1949, demolished in 1992, but forever alive in our memories."

"So why are we trending #MosquesofIndia ?
Because Babri Masjid may have been demolished, but you can never wish away Indo-Islamic heritage that is spread across India, in its beautiful, serene mosques. We love our architecture, our heritage and we celebrate it. Alhamdulillah!"

 

[cricketjoshila]

Babri demolition accused hold key posts in Ram temple trust

Nritya Gopal Das and Champat Rai Bansal, chairman and general secretary of the trust set up to oversee construction of the Ram temple in Ayodhya, are both accused in the Babri Masjid demolition case

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...e-trust/article308.com73044.ece?homepage=true

NG Das was one of the original petitioners of Ramjanam bhoomi case, so he was appointed by the trust.

But whats the significance? This isnt controlled by the govt and these people are not convicted.

 

[cric_man]

So was the actual act of demolishing the mosque deemed an illegal act by the Courts of India?
If so, was anyone ever convicted of it?

If it was deemed illegal, how did the Supreme court allocate the land to the Hindus to build their temple?
It would seem like rewarding the vandals for their acts.

It would come under "Fruits of a Poisonous Tree"

I remember watching it live on TV. Thousands of zealots swarming the Mosque and 2 policeman standing on the side with their lathis and eating bananas.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

So was the actual act of demolishing the mosque deemed an illegal act by the Courts of India?
If so, was anyone ever convicted of it?

If it was deemed illegal, how did the Supreme court allocate the land to the Hindus to build their temple?
It would seem like rewarding the vandals for their acts.

It would come under "Fruits of a Poisonous Tree"

I remember watching it live on TV. Thousands of zealots swarming the Mosque and 2 policeman standing on the side with their lathis and eating bananas.

Not to forget rewarding the political agitators with the most senior Government positions

 

[cric_man]

Not to forget rewarding the political agitators with the most senior Government positions

That is how BJP attained national recognition.
I remember LK Advani ginning up the rabid zealots.

 

[Romali_rotti]

There was an Indian Muslim girl, Irena Akbar, who created the #MosquesofIndia.

I would like to share her words on the Babri Masjid

"Once upon a time, there was Babri Masjid.

Built in 1528, desecrated in 1949, demolished in 1992, but forever alive in our memories."

"So why are we trending #MosquesofIndia ?
Because Babri Masjid may have been demolished, but you can never wish away Indo-Islamic heritage that is spread across India, in its beautiful, serene mosques. We love our architecture, our heritage and we celebrate it. Alhamdulillah!"

Yeah once upon a time there was an atrocity called Babur, it was during Guru Nanak's time when he told his people when Babur had come that a messenger of death has come, where ever he went he killed 1000s of people. Babur did not commit atrocities, he himself was the atrocity.... Famous words of Sadhguru...

 

[Local.Dada]

The fact that one of the most holiest shrines in India has to go through all this legal mess shows the sensitivity of indians be it BJP or any other party to minority sentiments

Places like Lahore and Karachi are mentioned even in ancient Indian epics. They were a hub of Hinduism in pre medieval times. I find it surprising that there is not a single Hindu temple of note in these places. Forget famous ones but wonder what is the number of remaining temples in these places?

I know the answer “we are Islamic republic of Pakistan” “deal with it”

On the other hand people are calling out and shedding tears about radical Hindutva for a decision made through courts where the other party was given a more than adequate compensation , a proper legal settlement.

 

[kk1992]

So was the actual act of demolishing the mosque deemed an illegal act by the Courts of India?
If so, was anyone ever convicted of it?

If it was deemed illegal, how did the Supreme court allocate the land to the Hindus to build their temple?
It would seem like rewarding the vandals for their acts.

It would come under "Fruits of a Poisonous Tree"

I remember watching it live on TV. Thousands of zealots swarming the Mosque and 2 policeman standing on the side with their lathis and eating bananas.

Bhai, Babur killed people by the thousands. A perfect excuse and deflection for few Hindus to act and support radicalism against Muslims.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The fact that one of the most holiest shrines in India has to go through all this legal mess shows the sensitivity of indians be it BJP or any other party to minority sentiments

Places like Lahore and Karachi are mentioned even in ancient Indian epics. They were a hub of Hinduism in pre medieval times. I find it surprising that there is not a single Hindu temple of note in these places. Forget famous ones but wonder what is the number of remaining temples in these places?

I know the answer “we are Islamic republic of Pakistan” “deal with it”

On the other hand people are calling out and shedding tears about radical Hindutva for a decision made through courts where the other party was given a more than adequate compensation , a proper legal settlement.

This is wishful delusion. Pakistan has opened a corridor for Sikhs FROM India. No Muslims in Pakistan have been rewarded after climbing on top of a temple and demolishing it. Pakistan has never elected an extremist government.

You're only fooling yourself.

 

[kk1992]

The fact that one of the most holiest shrines in India has to go through all this legal mess shows the sensitivity of indians be it BJP or any other party to minority sentiments

Places like Lahore and Karachi are mentioned even in ancient Indian epics. They were a hub of Hinduism in pre medieval times. I find it surprising that there is not a single Hindu temple of note in these places. Forget famous ones but wonder what is the number of remaining temples in these places?

I know the answer “we are Islamic republic of Pakistan” “deal with it”

On the other hand people are calling out and shedding tears about radical Hindutva for a decision made through courts where the other party was given a more than adequate compensation , a proper legal settlement.

Time to stop wearing that tin foil hat which only get the radio frequency of BJP paid stations, basically main stream media of India.

And yea, just because you mention I do not support radicalism of any kind is similar to saying, " I am not racist because i have black friends".