Ayodhya Ram Mandir: India PM Modi inaugurates Hindu temple on razed Babri mosque site [Update in post#488]

[MenInG]

Ayodhya Ram Mandir Bhumi Pujan Live Updates: Prime Minister Narendra Modi reached Ram Janmabhoomi today, ahead of the grand ground-breaking ceremony in Ayodhya. Before this, the prime minister along with Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath had offered prayers at Hanuman Garhi. Modi is among the 175 people who will be present at the ceremony. He will share the dais with just four other people — RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat, trust chief Nritya Gopaldas Maharaj, Uttar Pradesh Governor Anandiben Patel, and CM Yogi Adityanath.

PM Modi will unveil a plaque to mark the laying of the foundation stone of the temple, followed by the release of a commemorative postage stamp on ‘Shree Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir’. After the event, Modi would address the gathering before leaving for the helipad.

Ahead of the ceremony, Ayodhya has been decked up. The city has been painted yellow – an auspicious colour of knowledge and learning. On Tuesday, prayers were offered to the nishan (flag) of Lord Hanuman, revered as the protector of the city. Starting Tuesday, all local temples started a continuous Akhand Ramayan recitation with temples and homes being lit as in Diwali. The same will continue August 5 night.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...pdates-narendra-modi-yogi-adityanath-6538506/

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Wednesday offered prayers and laid the foundation stone for a grand temple at the site believed to be the birthplace of Lord Ram in Uttar Pradesh’s Ayodhya. The groundbreaking ceremony marks the formal launch of the temple’s construction promised by the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party nearly three decades earlier.

LK Advani, 92, and Murli Manohar Joshi, 86, the two BJP stalwarts who had led the campaign to build the temple in its early days, are said to have watched the live telecast of the event because of the coronavirus pandemic. Home Minister Amit Shah, from his bed in a Gurugram hospital where the 55-year-old top BJP leader was admitted last week due to the virus.

PM Modi used silver bricks during the rituals. But for the foundation stone, bricks donated by devouts from across the world in 1989 would be used. “There are 275,000 such bricks out of which 100 bricks with ‘Jai Shri Ram’ engraving have been taken,” the priest said as the vedic rituals, which have continued for three days, were coming to an end.

Dressed in the traditional kurta and dhoti, PM Modi offered prayers at the Hanuman Garhi temple soon after landing in the riverside town of Ayodhya from Uttar Pradesh capital Lucknow. Anil Mishra, member of Sri Ram Janmabhoomi Tirth Kshetra Trust, said this puja was performed to “seek Lord Hanuman’s permission to start construction work of Ram Mandir”.

PM Modi next headed straight to the temple for the ceremony. Security has been tight for the event, particularly in light of the coronavirus pandemic and the need to adhere to social distancing.

Only 175 guests have been invited. Among them are Mohan Bhagwat, the chief of the ruling BJP’s ideological fountainhead Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.

But the temple trust has ordered 100,000 packets of laddus for distribution to people and dignitaries.

PM Modi is the first prime minister to visit the Ram Janambhoomi and offer prayers at the sanctum sanctorum where the deity has been worshipped since 1949, escalating the row over the small plot of land on which a mosque had been built in the 16th century. Hindus believe the Babri Masjid, was built over a temple dedicated to Lord Ram, whose birthplace is also considered to be at the site.

The temple construction has been made possible because of a Supreme Court verdict nine months ago that ended a legal battle lasting decades and awarded the site to Hindus. The Muslim community has been given a 5-acre plot at another location to build a new mosque to make up for the 500-year-old Babri Masjid demolished by a mob in 1992.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-in-ayodhya/story-6PtybMaVg4pvL92ufuBBbO.html

 

[globalcitizen]

archeologist KK Muhamed who proved ram temple existed before masjid will be pleased as punch today. Brilliant archeologist who has restored many ruins

 

[MenInG]

Indian PM Narendra Modi has laid the foundation stone for a Hindu temple in the northern city of Ayodhya.

Hindu mobs demolished a medieval mosque there in 1992, saying it was built on the ruins of a temple for Lord Ram, a revered deity.

Hindus and Muslims claimed ownership over the site for decades. Last year, the top court gave the site to Hindus, ending a decades-long legal battle.

The inauguration comes amid a massive surge in coronavirus cases in India.

The dispute, which goes back more than a century, has been one of India's thorniest court cases. The Supreme Court gave Muslims another plot of land in the city to construct a mosque.

The construction of the temple is a core promise made by Mr Modi's governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), and is seen as a huge symbolic gesture for its strident Hindu nationalist base.

A local told the BBC he is "ecstatic" that Lord Ram would finally have "a proper home".

Officials have said they will follow Covid-19 protocols, but BBC Hindi's Sarvapriya Sangwan, who is at the venue, reports that crowds gathered on the road leading up to it and beyond the barricades.

People have also climbed onto rooftops to get a glimpse of the venue, and some are chanting 'Jai Shri Ram' (Hail Lord Ram). Most are not wearing masks or following social distancing, our reporter says.

But the area surrounding the event has been cordoned off, and is restricted to invitees - some 310 people, including 135 religious figures - and security personnel only.

UP Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath and other senior BJP leaders are attending the event.

The inauguration is somewhat muted affair amid the pandemic. India has been reporting record daily totals - it has recorded more than 1.9 million cases and nearly 40,000 deaths from the virus.

Uttar Pradesh, the state where Ayodhya is located, has confirmed more than 100,000 Covid-19 cases so far.

What has been planned?

Mr Modi is to lay a symbolic silver brick in the sanctum sanctorum, or innermost sanctuary, of the site as scores of devotees watch the event on giant screens across the city.

Hymns about Lord Ram are being played, and the roads are decked with flowers. Many shop fronts too have been painted yellow and saffron flags have been put up everywhere - both colours that Hindus consider auspicious.

Local police and teams of specialised personnel are patrolling on high alert. Officers in riot gear are also in place in case of any violence.

Indian TV channels will offer wall-to-wall coverage to the event.

Media reports say that devotees from across the country have been sending silver and gold - in the form of coins, bricks and bars - to use in the construction of the temple. Police officers are said to have been ordered to guard these precious metals.

As many as 200,000 bricks inscribed with "Shri Ram" (Lord Ram) that have been collected from devotees over the years will be used to build the foundation of the temple, according to the Times of India.

Chandrakant Sompura, the chief architect of the proposed temple, told news website The Print that the structure would be designed in the "Nagara" style of temple architecture - a popular north Indian temple building style.

The inner sanctum of the temple - where the idol of the primary deity is housed - will be octagonal. The temple will include a large structure of three floors with 366 pillars and five domes.

Mr Sompura said that a memorial wall in honour of those who were involved with the temple movement would be erected.

What was the Ayodhya issue about?

At the centre of the row was a 16th-Century mosque that was demolished by Hindu mobs in 1992, sparking riots that killed nearly 2,000 people.

Many Hindus believe that the Babri Masjid was actually constructed on the ruins of a Hindu temple that was demolished by Muslim invaders.

Muslims say they offered prayers at the mosque until December 1949 when some Hindus placed an idol of Ram in the mosque and began to worship the idols.

Over decades the two religious groups went to court many times over who should control the site.

In its unanimous verdict, the Supreme Court said that a report by the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) provided evidence that the remains of a building "that was not Islamic" was beneath the structure of the demolished Babri mosque.

The court said that, given all the evidence presented, it had determined that the disputed land should be given to Hindus for a temple to Lord Ram, while Muslims would be given land elsewhere to construct a mosque.

It then directed the federal government to set up a trust to manage and oversee the construction of the temple.

However, the court added that the demolition of the Babri mosque was against the rule of law.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53577942

 

[MP2011]

Bigot says 5th August is as important as 15th August for India.

What a traitor this creature is!

 

[CricketCartoons]

Bigot says 5th August is as important as 15th August for India.

What a traitor this creature is!

5th August is more important than 15th august. Hindus didn't get independence on 15th aug, it was just transfer of power from british to brown sahibs.

 

[MP2011]

Fellow fascists have started singing peans of the bigot.

Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan on Wednesday described Prime Minister Narendra Modi as the "leader of five centuries" who resolved the equally old dispute with his efficient leadership and paved the way for the construction of a grand temple of Lord Ram in Ayodhya.

"The country had seen many big leaders who had led effectively. The country also saw leaders (of calibre) who were unique in a decade and even in a century. But PM Modiji has become the leader of five centuries," Chouhan said in a tweet.

In another tweet, he said, "The illustrious Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi, has not only ended the 500-year-old dispute with his efficient leadership but also paved the way for the construction of a grand temple of Lord Ram. This has become possible due to the strong will of Modiji and by the blessings of Shriram".

 

[CricketCartoons]

Fellow fascists have started singing peans of the bigot.

Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan on Wednesday described Prime Minister Narendra Modi as the "leader of five centuries" who resolved the equally old dispute with his efficient leadership and paved the way for the construction of a grand temple of Lord Ram in Ayodhya.

"The country had seen many big leaders who had led effectively. The country also saw leaders (of calibre) who were unique in a decade and even in a century. But PM Modiji has become the leader of five centuries," Chouhan said in a tweet.

In another tweet, he said, "The illustrious Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi, has not only ended the 500-year-old dispute with his efficient leadership but also paved the way for the construction of a grand temple of Lord Ram. This has become possible due to the strong will of Modiji and by the blessings of Shriram".

Others are realizing now when I said years ago. Modi ji is our mard-e-haq, mard-e-hind and mard-e-zamaana.

 

[PakLFC]

Let this be a lesson to those Pakistanis who question independence. The likes of Owais bros and Indian Muslim's who mostly hate Pak have received a good slap here. Modi though will live to regret this move.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Others are realizing now when I said years ago. Modi ji is our mard-e-haq, mard-e-hind and mard-e-zamaana.

It seems for some he is also their mard-e-papa.

 

[PakLFC]

The good thing to all of this is that Indian Muslims will now realise how Quaid Jinnah was right all along. No matter how much they hate Pak and prove their patriotism they are still treated as outsiders.

 

[Syed1]

It seems for some he is also their mard-e-papa.

Was scrolling through the thread and this post made me burst out laughing.

Appreciate your dry humour

 

[OldWarHorse]

Most of the people i know or work with dont even care about it. How come this date is as important as Aug 15th is beyond me.

 

[MP2011]

The society I live in, people are bursting crackers.

There is no end to the gullibility of bhakts. On the other hand, Corona is marching ahead with impunity.

 

[PakLFC]

Now the RSS could want the Taj Mahal next as a means to pick another fight with it's Muslims. This Ram Temple will give them the confidence of wanting to convert more Masjid's to Mandir's. Indian Muslims are just too few and weak to resist.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The society I live in, people are bursting crackers.

There is no end to the gullibility of bhakts. On the other hand, Corona is marching ahead with impunity.

Next time you buy/rent an apartment, check which party the residents support, apart from checking the usual stuff.

I am the admin of the whatsapp group for my condominium, and have changed the display pic to the saffron hanumanji.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We need to send in Indiana Jones into the Temple of Doom.

 

[Zaz]

Yes forget about creating jobs, medical care, building toilets or lifting the poor from the gutter, bhakts want and are happy with a mandir instead

Someone was right, stupidity knows no bounds

 

[BreadPakoda]

Now the RSS could want the Taj Mahal next as a means to pick another fight with it's Muslims. This Ram Temple will give them the confidence of wanting to convert more Masjid's to Mandir's. Indian Muslims are just too few and weak to resist.

Didn’t watch the video but hope he’s celebrating because Pakistan is against secularism too.

 

[srh]

Indian muslims will not forget about it and will get their mosque back eventually

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes forget about creating jobs, medical care, building toilets or lifting the poor from the gutter, bhakts want and are happy with a mandir instead

Someone was right, stupidity knows no bounds

So what is your problem in it? Who is stopping you from fulfilling your wishes in pakistan?

Let Indians have what they want in India.

Partition was done so that we dont have to listen to your advise in our matters.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Anyone seen Reality Check NDTV?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian muslims will not forget about it and will get their mosque back eventually

Lol. Not happening. Just like cordoba is back as cathedral, just like matthias church is back as a church, Janmabhoomi is back as a temple. And will never fall into muslim hands.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hope he brings secularism in pakistan.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Indian muslims will not forget about it and will get their mosque back eventually

Let us Indian muslims speak for ourselves.

 

[Buffet]

Political parties capitalilzing on religious sentiments is a slippery slope. Any society is going to be harmed when this happens. It's far better for parties to focus only on uplifting the living standards of citizens.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Political parties capitalilzing on religious sentiments is a slippery slope. Any society is going to be harmed when this happens. It's far better for parties to focus only on uplifting the living standards of citizens.

Janmabhoomi isn't just any place. For hindus its the birth place of Lord Ram. Its as holy as mecca or Jerusalem. Its beyond politics. Its a matter of faith.

 

[Buffet]

In Modi’s quest to transform India, a grand Hindu temple rises

NEW DELHI — As priests in saffron robes chanted hymns, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi sprinkled sacred water and flowers into a small hole Wednesday, part of a ritual marking the start of construction of a grand Hindu temple.

It was an event for the history books. The ceremony in the northern Indian city of Ayodhya represents a signal victory for Modi and Hindu nationalists in their quest to transform India — a vast, multireligious democracy founded on secular ideals — into a state dominated by the Hindu majority.

For nearly 500 years, a mosque stood at the same spot. Hindu extremists illegally razed the mosque in 1992, setting off bloody nationwide riots. India’s Supreme Court handed control of the site to Hindu groups in 2019 after a protracted legal battle.

Modi struck a triumphant tone as he presided over the culmination of India’s most bitter religious dispute. “The entire country is emotional and overwhelmed,” he said. “Today centuries of waiting are over.”

The ceremony, broadcast live across the country, was scaled down because of the coronavirus pandemic. Fewer than 200 people were invited to the event, and all of them, including Modi, wore face masks.

India is grappling with one of the worst outbreaks in the world. More than 50,000 new infections and roughly 800 deaths are being reported daily. The World Health Organization said Wednesday that India topped the global charts for new cases and deaths in the previous 24 hours.

With infections rising and the economy struggling, the temple groundbreaking is a welcome diversion for Modi, India’s most powerful prime minister in almost five decades.

Wednesday’s ceremony underlined how quickly — and dramatically — Modi has moved to put his stamp on this nation of more than 1.3 billion people since winning a landslide reelection victory in May 2019.

Exactly a year ago, he revoked the semiautonomy granted to Kashmir, India’s only Muslim-majority region, breaking with seven decades of Indian policy. In December, his government passed a law that excluded Muslim migrants from a fast track to citizenship. In February, Hindu-Muslim riots erupted in Delhi, the deadliest such violence in the capital since Indian independence.

India’s Muslim community has viewed these developments with alarm. Although roughly 200 million Muslims live in India, they represent only 14 percent of the population. They face discrimination in employment and housing and fare poorly on measures of socioeconomic progress. Now many of them fear they are becoming second-class citizens.

The construction of the temple in Ayodhya is a prime example. For three decades, the campaign to build the temple devoted to Lord Ram, a beloved deity, has been the animating principle of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party. The issue fused religion and politics in an amalgam that proved both effective and combustible.

Many Hindus revere the site as the spot where Lord Ram was born. For some, Wednesday’s ceremony fulfills a yearning to honor a god worshiped for his heroism and virtue.

But the push to build the temple is not a simple act of religious devotion. Hindu nationalists view much of recent Indian history as a series of humiliations — centuries of rule by Muslim kings and the British Empire — that must be rectified.

They believe a Hindu temple originally stood at the site in Ayodhya and was later torn down by India’s Muslim rulers. The subsequent destruction of the mosque and the ultimate construction of the temple are viewed as the remedy to years of subjugation.

Hindu women dance at the World Hindu Council headquarters in New Delhi to celebrate ahead of a groundbreaking ceremony of a temple dedicated to the Hindu god Ram in Ayodhya, India, on Wednesday.
Hindu women dance at the World Hindu Council headquarters in New Delhi to celebrate ahead of a groundbreaking ceremony of a temple dedicated to the Hindu god Ram in Ayodhya, India, on Wednesday.

The Ram temple is a “symbol of nationalism,” said Dattatreya Hosabale, a senior Hindu nationalist ideologue, at an event in Delhi in July. “It was meant for regaining the self, which was damaged by foreign aggressors.”

Hindu nationalism is a majoritarian ideology that seeks to create a state “where minorities have to give up their separate identity and pay allegiance to the dominant culture,” said Christophe Jaffrelot, a political scientist at the Paris Institute of Political Studies, known as Sciences Po. The construction of the Ram temple is “one more blow” to India’s secular foundations, but there will be others, said Jaffrelot, who studies the Hindu nationalist movement.

The temple will be built of red sandstone and rise to 161 feet at its highest point. Construction is expected to be completed in 2023, the year before India’s next national elections. In the meantime, there are plans to transform Ayodhya — a small city on the Sarayu river — with a new railway station, a new airport and a towering statue of Lord Ram. Ahead of Wednesday’s ceremony, the streets leading to the temple got a fresh coat of bright yellow paint and were festooned with saffron-colored flags.

“History is being made here,” said Mahant Paramhans Das, a senior Hindu priest in Ayodhya who once threatened to set himself on fire if the temple was not built. “It is a great moment for all of us because now Lord Ram will have his permanent home.”

The temple is being built at the site of the former Babri mosque, which was completed in the 16th century. The legal tussle over whether Hindus or Muslims should control the site began 70 years ago. But it did not emerge as a national flash point until the late 1980s when the Bharatiya Janata Party, or BJP, made the construction of the temple its signature issue and organized processions to Ayodhya, where party leaders rallied supporters to their cause.

After one such rally in 1992, a mob using axes, hammers and their bare hands razed the mosque. The demolition sparked riots across the country that are estimated to have killed 2,000 people. The temple project was also at the root of deadly riots in Gujarat in 2002 that left more than 1,000 people dead, mostly Muslims.

“The divide between Hindus and Muslims grew with the Ram temple movement,” said Anand Patwardhan, a filmmaker who made a documentary on the dispute in 1992. “Today, with a subservient legal system, the BJP has hijacked both secularism and democracy.”

A.G. Noorani, a lawyer and constitutional expert who wrote a book on the Ram temple dispute, said Wednesday’s groundbreaking left him dejected. “I feel saddened and depressed,” he said. “This is no longer the same India. Narendra Modi has seen to it that it becomes a Hindu India.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...8859fa-d6a8-11ea-a788-2ce86ce81129_story.html

 

[Buffet]

Janmabhoomi isn't just any place. For hindus its the birth place of Lord Ram. Its as holy as mecca or Jerusalem. Its beyond politics. Its a matter of faith.

I don't know the entire history, but history shows us that whenever you start putting religious sentiments as factor for winning election in any part of world, outcome is not good in long term. If I am right then current ruling party ran election in India in 90s based on this temple issue and they were not a big player in India before that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

In Modi’s quest to transform India, a grand Hindu temple rises

NEW DELHI — As priests in saffron robes chanted hymns, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi sprinkled sacred water and flowers into a small hole Wednesday, part of a ritual marking the start of construction of a grand Hindu temple.

It was an event for the history books. The ceremony in the northern Indian city of Ayodhya represents a signal victory for Modi and Hindu nationalists in their quest to transform India — a vast, multireligious democracy founded on secular ideals — into a state dominated by the Hindu majority.

For nearly 500 years, a mosque stood at the same spot. Hindu extremists illegally razed the mosque in 1992, setting off bloody nationwide riots. India’s Supreme Court handed control of the site to Hindu groups in 2019 after a protracted legal battle.

Modi struck a triumphant tone as he presided over the culmination of India’s most bitter religious dispute. “The entire country is emotional and overwhelmed,” he said. “Today centuries of waiting are over.”

The ceremony, broadcast live across the country, was scaled down because of the coronavirus pandemic. Fewer than 200 people were invited to the event, and all of them, including Modi, wore face masks.

India is grappling with one of the worst outbreaks in the world. More than 50,000 new infections and roughly 800 deaths are being reported daily. The World Health Organization said Wednesday that India topped the global charts for new cases and deaths in the previous 24 hours.

With infections rising and the economy struggling, the temple groundbreaking is a welcome diversion for Modi, India’s most powerful prime minister in almost five decades.

Wednesday’s ceremony underlined how quickly — and dramatically — Modi has moved to put his stamp on this nation of more than 1.3 billion people since winning a landslide reelection victory in May 2019.

Exactly a year ago, he revoked the semiautonomy granted to Kashmir, India’s only Muslim-majority region, breaking with seven decades of Indian policy. In December, his government passed a law that excluded Muslim migrants from a fast track to citizenship. In February, Hindu-Muslim riots erupted in Delhi, the deadliest such violence in the capital since Indian independence.

India’s Muslim community has viewed these developments with alarm. Although roughly 200 million Muslims live in India, they represent only 14 percent of the population. They face discrimination in employment and housing and fare poorly on measures of socioeconomic progress. Now many of them fear they are becoming second-class citizens.

The construction of the temple in Ayodhya is a prime example. For three decades, the campaign to build the temple devoted to Lord Ram, a beloved deity, has been the animating principle of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party. The issue fused religion and politics in an amalgam that proved both effective and combustible.

Many Hindus revere the site as the spot where Lord Ram was born. For some, Wednesday’s ceremony fulfills a yearning to honor a god worshiped for his heroism and virtue.

But the push to build the temple is not a simple act of religious devotion. Hindu nationalists view much of recent Indian history as a series of humiliations — centuries of rule by Muslim kings and the British Empire — that must be rectified.

They believe a Hindu temple originally stood at the site in Ayodhya and was later torn down by India’s Muslim rulers. The subsequent destruction of the mosque and the ultimate construction of the temple are viewed as the remedy to years of subjugation.

Hindu women dance at the World Hindu Council headquarters in New Delhi to celebrate ahead of a groundbreaking ceremony of a temple dedicated to the Hindu god Ram in Ayodhya, India, on Wednesday.
Hindu women dance at the World Hindu Council headquarters in New Delhi to celebrate ahead of a groundbreaking ceremony of a temple dedicated to the Hindu god Ram in Ayodhya, India, on Wednesday.

The Ram temple is a “symbol of nationalism,” said Dattatreya Hosabale, a senior Hindu nationalist ideologue, at an event in Delhi in July. “It was meant for regaining the self, which was damaged by foreign aggressors.”

Hindu nationalism is a majoritarian ideology that seeks to create a state “where minorities have to give up their separate identity and pay allegiance to the dominant culture,” said Christophe Jaffrelot, a political scientist at the Paris Institute of Political Studies, known as Sciences Po. The construction of the Ram temple is “one more blow” to India’s secular foundations, but there will be others, said Jaffrelot, who studies the Hindu nationalist movement.

The temple will be built of red sandstone and rise to 161 feet at its highest point. Construction is expected to be completed in 2023, the year before India’s next national elections. In the meantime, there are plans to transform Ayodhya — a small city on the Sarayu river — with a new railway station, a new airport and a towering statue of Lord Ram. Ahead of Wednesday’s ceremony, the streets leading to the temple got a fresh coat of bright yellow paint and were festooned with saffron-colored flags.

“History is being made here,” said Mahant Paramhans Das, a senior Hindu priest in Ayodhya who once threatened to set himself on fire if the temple was not built. “It is a great moment for all of us because now Lord Ram will have his permanent home.”

The temple is being built at the site of the former Babri mosque, which was completed in the 16th century. The legal tussle over whether Hindus or Muslims should control the site began 70 years ago. But it did not emerge as a national flash point until the late 1980s when the Bharatiya Janata Party, or BJP, made the construction of the temple its signature issue and organized processions to Ayodhya, where party leaders rallied supporters to their cause.

After one such rally in 1992, a mob using axes, hammers and their bare hands razed the mosque. The demolition sparked riots across the country that are estimated to have killed 2,000 people. The temple project was also at the root of deadly riots in Gujarat in 2002 that left more than 1,000 people dead, mostly Muslims.

“The divide between Hindus and Muslims grew with the Ram temple movement,” said Anand Patwardhan, a filmmaker who made a documentary on the dispute in 1992. “Today, with a subservient legal system, the BJP has hijacked both secularism and democracy.”

A.G. Noorani, a lawyer and constitutional expert who wrote a book on the Ram temple dispute, said Wednesday’s groundbreaking left him dejected. “I feel saddened and depressed,” he said. “This is no longer the same India. Narendra Modi has seen to it that it becomes a Hindu India.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...8859fa-d6a8-11ea-a788-2ce86ce81129_story.html

Someone tell WaPo that the first President of India performed the Bhumi pujan of Somnath Temple. Another temple thst was destroyed by Mughals and a mosque constructed over it. The mosque was shifted and temple was constructed there.

This half baked truth no longer run the narrative.

There are muslim nations, Buddhist nations a jewish nation, but these people have an issue if hindus build a temple in a nation of 80 percent hindus.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't know the entire history, but history shows us that whenever you start putting religious sentiments as factor for winning election in any part of world, outcome is not good in long term. If I am right then current ruling party ran election in India in 90s based on this temple issue and they were not a big player in India before that.

Nations have put religion in their constitution and are doing well. You cannot deny a majority their rightful place and suppress them. That wont last long.

 

[PakLFC]

I hope he brings secularism in pakistan.

We don't need this secularism thing!

 

[Abdullah719]

Let us Indian muslims speak for ourselves.

Sure thing, let’s hear what Indian Muslims feel.

When you talk about Ayodhya, you can’t disconnect it from the Babri Masjid demolition.

My parents (alongside the whole paternal side of my family) were in India at the time and they have frequently narrated horror stories about what followed after the demolition. They would cower in their home, hearing horrific sounds at night as the rioters, well, rioted.

One of my father’s close friends was dragged out of his home along with his brother and then both were shot behind a mosque. One of them died and the other survived. My father couldn’t attend the funeral because of the riots. The whole community was gripped with terror. A whole generation of Indian Muslims went through this.

So the question is: It’s been almost 30 years. Where is justice for what happened?

====================

As Ram Mandir construction begins, 28-yr-old Babri demolition trial could miss deadline again

New Delhi: As Prime Minister Narendra Modi prepares to lay the foundation stone for the Ram Mandir in Ayodhya, the 28-year-old Babri Masjid demolition trial is still going on in a special court in Lucknow.

The Supreme Court, had in November last year, put an end to the long-standing Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid title suit, ruling in favour of the Hindu parties and ordering that the disputed 2.77 acres of land be handed over to a trust to be set up by the Centre for the construction of the Ram Mandir.

But the criminal trial for the demolition of the Babri Masjid has lingered on for nearly three decades due to several reasons — from technical issues and delay in proceedings due to two separate trials going on, to the case being caught between the trial court and the Allahabad High Court for a decade — until the Supreme Court finally said let “justice be done though the heavens fall” in 2017. Since then, the top court has set three deadlines for the trial court, the latest of which is 31 August this year.

And yet, lawyers involved in the case say the trial court is set to miss the deadline again.

‘Judge adamant, but practically difficult to meet deadline’

Two other lawyers involved in the Babri demolition trial told ThePrint that it would be extremely difficult for the court to finish these remaining stages and deliver the judgment by the 31 August deadline.

“The court is adamant (on wanting to meet the deadline). But practically speaking, even if no defence is present and the arguments start, merely writing the judgment would require at least a month,” one lawyer, who did not wish to be identified, said.

The other lawyer, who represents the opposing side, added: “The proceedings have gone on for over 25 years, with thousands of documents involved and statements recorded. To deal with them, the judge would need at least 20 or 30 days. So I don’t think the judgment would be pronounced by 31 August.”

https://theprint.in/judiciary/as-ra...ition-trial-could-miss-deadline-again/474918/

====================

Indeed, forget about justice when you have things like this:

Shiv Sena ad on Babri Masjid demolition ahead of Ram temple ceremony triggers controversy

Ahead of Ram Mandir’s bhoomi pujan ceremony by PM Modi in Ayodhya today, an advertisement in Shiv Sena’s mouthpiece ‘Saamana’ has triggered a controversy.

The controversial advertisement on Babri Masjid demolition in Saamana Wednesday’s edition shows a picture of Babri Masjid demolition with a photo of Balasaheb Thackeray. Along with Balasaheb Thackeray’s photo, a statement reads, “I am proud of the men who did this”.

The advertisement, given by Shiv Sena secretary Milind Narvekar, also has photos of Maharashtra CM and Sena chief Uddhav Thackeray and minister Aaditya Thackeray.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...emony-triggers-controversy-1707888-2020-08-05

We have other Indian Muslim members on this forum too. I hope they contribute here as well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We don't need this secularism thing!

Then why is he preaching it?

 

[PakLFC]

Lol. Not happening. Just like cordoba is back as cathedral, just like matthias church is back as a church, Janmabhoomi is back as a temple. And will never fall into muslim hands.

I guarantee you it will. No evidence that it was ever a temple in the first place other the the RSS propaganda. Good thing is that Indian Muslims will now have to say what Quaid Jinnah believed and stood for. The two nation theory has never been more obvious.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sure thing, let’s hear what Indian Muslims feel.

When you talk about Ayodhya, you can’t disconnect it from the Babri Masjid demolition.

My parents (alongside the whole paternal side of my family) were in India at the time and they have frequently narrated horror stories about what followed after the demolition. They would cower in their home, hearing horrific sounds at night as the rioters, well, rioted.

One of my father’s close friends was dragged out of his home along with his brother and then both were shot behind a mosque. One of them died and the other survived. My father couldn’t attend the funeral because of the riots. The whole community was gripped with terror. A whole generation of Indian Muslims went through this.

So the question is: It’s been almost 30 years. Where is justice for what happened?

====================

As Ram Mandir construction begins, 28-yr-old Babri demolition trial could miss deadline again

New Delhi: As Prime Minister Narendra Modi prepares to lay the foundation stone for the Ram Mandir in Ayodhya, the 28-year-old Babri Masjid demolition trial is still going on in a special court in Lucknow.

The Supreme Court, had in November last year, put an end to the long-standing Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid title suit, ruling in favour of the Hindu parties and ordering that the disputed 2.77 acres of land be handed over to a trust to be set up by the Centre for the construction of the Ram Mandir.

But the criminal trial for the demolition of the Babri Masjid has lingered on for nearly three decades due to several reasons — from technical issues and delay in proceedings due to two separate trials going on, to the case being caught between the trial court and the Allahabad High Court for a decade — until the Supreme Court finally said let “justice be done though the heavens fall” in 2017. Since then, the top court has set three deadlines for the trial court, the latest of which is 31 August this year.

And yet, lawyers involved in the case say the trial court is set to miss the deadline again.

‘Judge adamant, but practically difficult to meet deadline’

Two other lawyers involved in the Babri demolition trial told ThePrint that it would be extremely difficult for the court to finish these remaining stages and deliver the judgment by the 31 August deadline.

“The court is adamant (on wanting to meet the deadline). But practically speaking, even if no defence is present and the arguments start, merely writing the judgment would require at least a month,” one lawyer, who did not wish to be identified, said.

The other lawyer, who represents the opposing side, added: “The proceedings have gone on for over 25 years, with thousands of documents involved and statements recorded. To deal with them, the judge would need at least 20 or 30 days. So I don’t think the judgment would be pronounced by 31 August.”

https://theprint.in/judiciary/as-ra...ition-trial-could-miss-deadline-again/474918/

====================

Indeed, forget about justice when you have things like this:

Shiv Sena ad on Babri Masjid demolition ahead of Ram temple ceremony triggers controversy

Ahead of Ram Mandir’s bhoomi pujan ceremony by PM Modi in Ayodhya today, an advertisement in Shiv Sena’s mouthpiece ‘Saamana’ has triggered a controversy.

The controversial advertisement on Babri Masjid demolition in Saamana Wednesday’s edition shows a picture of Babri Masjid demolition with a photo of Balasaheb Thackeray. Along with Balasaheb Thackeray’s photo, a statement reads, “I am proud of the men who did this”.

The advertisement, given by Shiv Sena secretary Milind Narvekar, also has photos of Maharashtra CM and Sena chief Uddhav Thackeray and minister Aaditya Thackeray.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...emony-triggers-controversy-1707888-2020-08-05

We have other Indian Muslim members on this forum too. I hope they contribute here as well.

Ram Mandir suit was filled 70 years back. It took 70 years for the verdict. But babri masjid case being there for 28 years is an issue?

A few 1000 hindus from pakistan are in India as refugees, they have some experiences too. Have anyone told you about it?

Just few days back 700 sikhs from Afghanistan applied to come to India as refugees.

If muslims were so harassed in India, i am sure they would be lining up near pak and BD border. No?

 

[PakLFC]

Then why is he preaching it?

He is saying India is not secular as it claims to be. That India is a fascist country. Again Quaid Jinnah beat Gandhi and so did Modi for that matter by building the temple.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I guarantee you it will. No evidence that it was ever a temple in the first place other the the RSS propaganda. Good thing is that Indian Muslims will now have to say what Quaid Jinnah believed and stood for. The two nation theory has never been more obvious.

Ha ha. The cordoba church is in christian hands, the temple mount in jewish, the Matthias church in catholic hands and the janmabhoomi in hindu. Keep up with the reality. Oh and Srinagar still flies the tri colour.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He is saying India is not secular as it claims to be. That India is a fascist country. Again Quaid Jinnah beat Gandhi and so did Modi for that matter by building the temple.

An islamic country's citizen talking about secularism? Lol.

Gandhi himself sanctioned building the Somnath temple by shifting the mosque there. He himself talked about Ram Rajya. What are you on about?

 

[CanadianG00se]

Sure thing, let’s hear what Indian Muslims feel.

When you talk about Ayodhya, you can’t disconnect it from the Babri Masjid demolition.

My parents (alongside the whole paternal side of my family) were in India at the time and they have frequently narrated horror stories about what followed after the demolition. They would cower in their home, hearing horrific sounds at night as the rioters, well, rioted.

One of my father’s close friends was dragged out of his home along with his brother and then both were shot behind a mosque. One of them died and the other survived. My father couldn’t attend the funeral because of the riots. The whole community was gripped with terror. A whole generation of Indian Muslims went through this.

So the question is: It’s been almost 30 years. Where is justice for what happened?

====================

As Ram Mandir construction begins, 28-yr-old Babri demolition trial could miss deadline again

New Delhi: As Prime Minister Narendra Modi prepares to lay the foundation stone for the Ram Mandir in Ayodhya, the 28-year-old Babri Masjid demolition trial is still going on in a special court in Lucknow.

The Supreme Court, had in November last year, put an end to the long-standing Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid title suit, ruling in favour of the Hindu parties and ordering that the disputed 2.77 acres of land be handed over to a trust to be set up by the Centre for the construction of the Ram Mandir.

But the criminal trial for the demolition of the Babri Masjid has lingered on for nearly three decades due to several reasons — from technical issues and delay in proceedings due to two separate trials going on, to the case being caught between the trial court and the Allahabad High Court for a decade — until the Supreme Court finally said let “justice be done though the heavens fall” in 2017. Since then, the top court has set three deadlines for the trial court, the latest of which is 31 August this year.

And yet, lawyers involved in the case say the trial court is set to miss the deadline again.

‘Judge adamant, but practically difficult to meet deadline’

Two other lawyers involved in the Babri demolition trial told ThePrint that it would be extremely difficult for the court to finish these remaining stages and deliver the judgment by the 31 August deadline.

“The court is adamant (on wanting to meet the deadline). But practically speaking, even if no defence is present and the arguments start, merely writing the judgment would require at least a month,” one lawyer, who did not wish to be identified, said.

The other lawyer, who represents the opposing side, added: “The proceedings have gone on for over 25 years, with thousands of documents involved and statements recorded. To deal with them, the judge would need at least 20 or 30 days. So I don’t think the judgment would be pronounced by 31 August.”

https://theprint.in/judiciary/as-ra...ition-trial-could-miss-deadline-again/474918/

====================

Indeed, forget about justice when you have things like this:

Shiv Sena ad on Babri Masjid demolition ahead of Ram temple ceremony triggers controversy

Ahead of Ram Mandir’s bhoomi pujan ceremony by PM Modi in Ayodhya today, an advertisement in Shiv Sena’s mouthpiece ‘Saamana’ has triggered a controversy.

The controversial advertisement on Babri Masjid demolition in Saamana Wednesday’s edition shows a picture of Babri Masjid demolition with a photo of Balasaheb Thackeray. Along with Balasaheb Thackeray’s photo, a statement reads, “I am proud of the men who did this”.

The advertisement, given by Shiv Sena secretary Milind Narvekar, also has photos of Maharashtra CM and Sena chief Uddhav Thackeray and minister Aaditya Thackeray.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...emony-triggers-controversy-1707888-2020-08-05

We have other Indian Muslim members on this forum too. I hope they contribute here as well.

First part regarding Babri demolition and riots that followed is spot on. I was in India( Mumbai) and was very young(6yo) and were living in fear every single day(due to constant threat from Shiv Sena Goons). We were in Pathanwadi(Muslim neighbourhood) when Hindu-Muslim riots broke out. I still remember right outside our place Military were camping out and enforcing curfew. My dad would come
Home everyday covered in blood treating countless patients(both Hindu and Muslims) and it was scary growing up. We moved out of that neighbourhood as soon as riots were over.


As far as Babri demolition(which was also built on demolition of Temple) was unacceptable.
As per reports, Hindu temple existed even before the masjid, so is it wrong for them to rebuilt? For Hindus, that place is as holy as Mecca and Medina for Muslims.

Muslims are also given a land to build masjid, so let’s build new one.

 

[Abdullah719]

Ram Mandir suit was filled 70 years back. It took 70 years for the verdict. But babri masjid case being there for 28 years is an issue?

A few 1000 hindus from pakistan are in India as refugees, they have some experiences too. Have anyone told you about it?

Just few days back 700 sikhs from Afghanistan applied to come to India as refugees.

If muslims were so harassed in India, i am sure they would be lining up near pak and BD border. No?

What does any of this have to do with a mob destroying a mosque? If it had to be replaced, it should have been done through an official procedure. That it was instead demolished by a mob followed by riots and no action has been taken against the culprits for 30 years is a mockery of justice. Some of the accused are even dead.

If there was a 16th-century Hindu temple in Pakistan that extremist Muslims destroy today, followed by riots against Hindus in Pakistan, and no justice is served for 30 years, I would definitely be disgusted, just as I feel upset about the way minorities and Ahmadis are still treated by many people in this country.

 

[Abdullah719]

First part regarding Babri demolition and riots that followed is spot on. I was in India( Mumbai) and was very young(6yo) and were living in fear every single day(due to constant threat from Shiv Sena Goons). We were in Pathanwadi(Muslim neighbourhood) when Hindu-Muslim riots broke out. I still remember right outside our place Military were camping out and enforcing curfew. My dad would come
Home everyday covered in blood treating countless patients(both Hindu and Muslims) and it was scary growing up. We moved out of that neighbourhood as soon as riots were over.


As far as Babri demolition(which was also built on demolition of Temple) was unacceptable.
As per reports, Hindu temple existed even before the masjid, so is it wrong for them to rebuilt? For Hindus, that place is as holy as Mecca and Medina for Muslims.

Muslims are also given a land to build masjid, so let’s build new one.

So you get where I’m coming from. That’s the point. No one ever faced justice for what happened. Instead, many people openly celebrate the demolition to this day. I may be wrong but I don’t think most Indian Muslims are too concerned about the temple itself, but the fact that justice hasn’t been served for what happened in the past. Of course, now there’s the additional factor about Article 370, Aug 5th, and the message all this represents.

 

[Kroll]

For Hindus, that place is as holy as Mecca and Medina for Muslims.

I don't its an equivalence on that level. Hindu has many gods and that's just one place deifying one god out of many gods around the country.

 

[MP2011]

I at least hope the construction of Ram temple brings in development in Ayodhya which is still such an under developed state despite all the hullabaloo by sanghis about this place's importance for them.

Hope it's not reduced to being yet another jumla from jumla man.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

What does any of this have to do with a mob destroying a mosque? If it had to be replaced, it should have been done through an official procedure. That it was instead demolished by a mob followed by riots and no action has been taken against the culprits for 30 years is a mockery of justice. Some of the accused are even dead.

If there was a 16th-century Hindu temple in Pakistan that extremist Muslims destroy today, followed by riots against Hindus in Pakistan, and no justice is served for 30 years, I would definitely be disgusted, just as I feel upset about the way minorities and Ahmadis are still treated by many people in this country.

There was actually a reverse Babri type case in Pakistan. Where an old mosque was demolished by the Sikhs who built a Gurdwara, and the British refused to give the land back to Muslims. And then when Pakistan was created it, Pakistani courts also refused to give the land back to Muslims, and to this date a Gurdwara stands there.

https://scroll.in/article/959961/in...at-do-we-lose-when-we-lose-our-sense-of-touch

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

This 'bhoomi pujan' of Ram mandir is an unofficial passing of torch moment for India from being a secular nation to hindu rastra. Anyone who lives here understands it. There is a celebration like feeling in the entire country, non stop coverge in mainstream media and with PM himself visiting, reveals it all. It was bound to happen one day. We cant have neighbouring countries formed based on religion but India remains secular. This unfair arrangement could never have gone longer and its getting over from tomorrow.

In the eyes of Muslims, what Congress did was soft Hindutva, as the cultural symbols of the Indian state reflected only its pre Islamic heritage.

So as far as we are concerned you have always been a secular Hindu State. Same way the cultural symbols of Pakistan reflected the Muslim heritage of the subcontinent.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

An islamic country's citizen talking about secularism? Lol.

Gandhi himself sanctioned building the Somnath temple by shifting the mosque there. He himself talked about Ram Rajya. What are you on about?

Yea and so did Patel. So i dont know why BJP supporters accuse Congress of Muslim appeasement. They basically are Hindutva Light. They are pretty much similar to BJP as far as having India cultural symbols reflect its Pre Islamic Heritage.

 

[JaDed]

Yea and so did Patel. So i dont know why BJP supporters accuse Congress of Muslim appeasement. They basically are Hindutva Light. They are pretty much similar to BJP as far as having India cultural symbols reflect its Pre Islamic Heritage.

Because Nehru didn't visit the opening of that temple also was against the then Prez going there.

The then prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, had expressed strong objection to the presence of president Rajendra Prasad at the event, which he believed went against his idea of an India in which state and religion were to be separated.

https://indianexpress.com/article/research/hindu-revivalism-why-jawaharlal-nehru-disapproved-rajendra-prasads-presence-at-somnath-temple-inauguration-6539918/

 

[JaDed]

Saddening to know that Ghanshyamdas Birla was involved in this somehow growing up assumed Birlas didn't care about all this.

Also same family that built Birla temples, Somnath


https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/meet-the-sompuras-master-architects-who-are-building-the-ram-temple-in-ayodhya-6540155/

 

[Slog]

Lol. Not happening. Just like cordoba is back as cathedral, just like matthias church is back as a church, Janmabhoomi is back as a temple. And will never fall into muslim hands.

I have a question.

For Hagia Sophia for eg or Córdoba when they were converted the majority of the structure remained and only cosmetic changes were made before changing classification.

Is there any claim that Babri mosque standing before it was destroyed in 1992 was the same structure as what it was when it was supposed to be a temple? If not then does it mean it was not a grand structure?

 

[BreadPakoda]

I at least hope the construction of Ram temple brings in development in Ayodhya which is still such an under developed state despite all the hullabaloo by sanghis about this place's importance for them.

Hope it's not reduced to being yet another jumla from jumla man.

Agree with this. I’m just relieved that this long pending battle is over and the temple has been built. A lot of politics has been done on this issue.

Cheers to the Indian Muslim community that has largely accepted the verdict and not shown any bitterness. One can say that the Babri Masjid didn’t have as much significance for Muslims as the Ram Mandir has for the Hindus but it still takes a lot of maturity to control your ego and accept a decision not in your favor. On the other hand, the Muslims who feel betrayed are also in their rights to feel so in my opinion.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Saddening to know that Ghanshyamdas Birla was involved in this somehow growing up assumed Birlas didn't care about all this.

Also same family that built Birla temples, Somnath

You will continue to get saddened as your idea of india as seen from the cocoon of mummy daddy world falls apart and you get to see the real india.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I don't its an equivalence on that level. Hindu has many gods and that's just one place deifying one god out of many gods around the country.

For majority of Hindus, it is. As per my understanding, Ram is widely worshipped among Hindus which is why for them Ayodhya is holy place.

 

[Hitman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The beauty of Lord Rama lies in his character, not in his name. He is a symbol of the victory of right over the evil. There is wave of happiness across the world today. It is a moment of great satisfaction. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JaiShriRam?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JaiShriRam</a> <a href="https://t.co/wUahN0SjOk">pic.twitter.com/wUahN0SjOk</a></p>— Danish Kaneria (@DanishKaneria61) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanishKaneria61/status/1291073978438647809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today is the Historical Day for Hindus across the world. Lord Ram is our ideal. <a href="https://t.co/6rgyfR8y3N">https://t.co/6rgyfR8y3N</a></p>— Danish Kaneria (@DanishKaneria61) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanishKaneria61/status/1291053510352687107?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[someone21]

Agree with this. I’m just relieved that this long pending battle is over and the temple has been built. A lot of politics has been done on this issue.

Cheers to the Indian Muslim community that has largely accepted the verdict and not shown any bitterness. One can say that the Babri Masjid didn’t have as much significance for Muslims as the Ram Mandir has for the Hindus but it still takes a lot of maturity to control your ego and accept a decision not in your favor. On the other hand, the Muslims who feel betrayed are also in their rights to feel so in my opinion.

Lol Lol. Have you the Muslim Board statements, it's all veiled threats including from several posters here. It's important to recognize that this public site of Ram Mandir will have to be the most secured, protected place. Such is the bitterness, hatred, from your side.

 

[someone21]

I don't its an equivalence on that level. Hindu has many gods and that's just one place deifying one god out of many gods around the country.

Ramayana is the first grand narrative for many places, not just India. From Afgan to Indonesia, so it's part of roots and it's good that Lord Ram has his own home now...

 

[kaayal]

Rabindranath Tagore wrote this in 1900, a full 120 years ago!

“There is no god in that temple”, said the Saint.

The King was enraged;
“No God? Oh Saint, aren’t you speaking like an atheist?
On that throne studded with priceless gems, beams the golden idol,
And yet, you proclaim that it is empty?”

“It is not empty; rather, it is full of royal pride.
You have bestowed yourself, oh King, not the God of this world”,
Remarked the saint.

The King frowned, “2 million golden coins
were showered on that grand structure that kisses the sky,
I offered it to the Gods after performing all the necessary rituals,
And you dare claim that in such a grand temple,
There is no presence of God”?

The Saint calmly replied

“In the very year in which twenty million of your subjects were struck by a terrible drought;
The desperate masses without any food or shelter,
came begging at your door crying for help, only to be turned away,
they were forced to take refuge in forests, caves, camping under roadside foliages, derelict old temples;
and in that very year,
when you spent 2 million gold coins to build that grand temple of yours,

that was the day when God pronounced:

‘My eternal home is lit by everlasting lamps,
in the midst of an azure sky.
In my home the foundations are built with the values
of Truth, Peace, Compassion and Love.
This poverty-stricken puny miser,
Who could not provide shelter to his own homeless subjects,
Does he really fancy he can give Me a home?’

That is the day God left that Temple of yours.
And joined the poor beside the roads, under the trees.
Like the emptiness of the froth in the vast seas,
Your mundane temple is hollow.
It is just a bubble of wealth and pride.”

The enraged King howled,
“oh you sham cretin of a person,
Leave my kingdom this instant”.

The Saint replied calmly,
“To the very place to which you have exiled the Divine,
Banish now the devout too”.

Rabindranath Tagore,
20th of Shravan, 1307 (as per Bengali Calendar)

Worth a mention during this pandemic that has swallowed India and it’s people irrespective of their religion.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The beauty of Lord Rama lies in his character, not in his name. He is a symbol of the victory of right over the evil. There is wave of happiness across the world today. It is a moment of great satisfaction. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JaiShriRam?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JaiShriRam</a> <a href="https://t.co/wUahN0SjOk">pic.twitter.com/wUahN0SjOk</a></p>— Danish Kaneria (@DanishKaneria61) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanishKaneria61/status/1291073978438647809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today is the Historical Day for Hindus across the world. Lord Ram is our ideal. <a href="https://t.co/6rgyfR8y3N">https://t.co/6rgyfR8y3N</a></p>— Danish Kaneria (@DanishKaneria61) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanishKaneria61/status/1291053510352687107?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Umm..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yea and so did Patel. So i dont know why BJP supporters accuse Congress of Muslim appeasement. They basically are Hindutva Light. They are pretty much similar to BJP as far as having India cultural symbols reflect its Pre Islamic Heritage.

Sadly Gandhi Patel Amdedkar all passed away within few years and then Nehru had an open field to do what he pleases.It was Nehru who brought in muslim appeasement as a policy. And his descendants continued it.

Muslims were given a country in 1947. Rest of the religions are free to do what they please in the rest of the land. If muslims had the right to a country, hindus have the right to the temples in their land. Nehru and his descendants have too long suppressed that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have a question.

For Hagia Sophia for eg or Córdoba when they were converted the majority of the structure remained and only cosmetic changes were made before changing classification.

Is there any claim that Babri mosque standing before it was destroyed in 1992 was the same structure as what it was when it was supposed to be a temple? If not then does it mean it was not a grand structure?

The structure standing before was demolished. The excavation under the mosque showed there was a big structure that was beneath the mosque.

A temple will have idol carvings all over the place. Such a structure cannot be used as a mosque.

If you google Gyan Vyapi mosque, you will see that the back wall of the destroyed temple still stands and is used as the back wall of the mosque.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Agree with this. I’m just relieved that this long pending battle is over and the temple has been built. A lot of politics has been done on this issue.

Cheers to the Indian Muslim community that has largely accepted the verdict and not shown any bitterness. One can say that the Babri Masjid didn’t have as much significance for Muslims as the Ram Mandir has for the Hindus but it still takes a lot of maturity to control your ego and accept a decision not in your favor. On the other hand, the Muslims who feel betrayed are also in their rights to feel so in my opinion.

AIMPLB has said that a Hagia Sofia like conversion isnt ruled out.

If they dont accept the verdict of a constitutional court, the majority community can too refuse to support a secular state and make a hindu nation.

 

[PakLFC]

Ha ha. The cordoba church is in christian hands, the temple mount in jewish, the Matthias church in catholic hands and the janmabhoomi in hindu. Keep up with the reality. Oh and Srinagar still flies the tri colour.

So after 1000 years of Muslim rule you finally have something to shout about, good going! Do you know that Muslims have the keys to the holiest shrine in Christendom? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...to-jesus-tomb-site-in-jerusalem-idUSKBN1DU17Q I think my comment angered you for some reason. Whose flag flies in AJK?? The Pak one despite you always crying about it! I think you could be upset after so many Hindu's were sacked from there jobs in the Gulf recently, remember?? Your Ram temple has not been complete yet and we will not allow the one in Islamabad to be built. Compared the many Masjids in India to the almost no temples in Pak. How many synagogues and temples compared to masjids in the west again?? That's it, i just put things in to perspective.

 

[PakLFC]

An islamic country's citizen talking about secularism? Lol.

Gandhi himself sanctioned building the Somnath temple by shifting the mosque there. He himself talked about Ram Rajya. What are you on about?

I don't want secularism unlike you lot of swear on it! I am talking about Modi's fascism not what Gandhi wanted. Gandhi was killed for being pro Muslim, remember? If Muslim countries are so bad then why do you Hindu's go there looking for jobs and a better lifestyle?

 

[CanadianG00se]

Rabindranath Tagore wrote this in 1900, a full 120 years ago!

“There is no god in that temple”, said the Saint.

The King was enraged;
“No God? Oh Saint, aren’t you speaking like an atheist?
On that throne studded with priceless gems, beams the golden idol,
And yet, you proclaim that it is empty?”

“It is not empty; rather, it is full of royal pride.
You have bestowed yourself, oh King, not the God of this world”,
Remarked the saint.

The King frowned, “2 million golden coins
were showered on that grand structure that kisses the sky,
I offered it to the Gods after performing all the necessary rituals,
And you dare claim that in such a grand temple,
There is no presence of God”?

The Saint calmly replied

“In the very year in which twenty million of your subjects were struck by a terrible drought;
The desperate masses without any food or shelter,
came begging at your door crying for help, only to be turned away,
they were forced to take refuge in forests, caves, camping under roadside foliages, derelict old temples;
and in that very year,
when you spent 2 million gold coins to build that grand temple of yours,

that was the day when God pronounced:

‘My eternal home is lit by everlasting lamps,
in the midst of an azure sky.
In my home the foundations are built with the values
of Truth, Peace, Compassion and Love.
This poverty-stricken puny miser,
Who could not provide shelter to his own homeless subjects,
Does he really fancy he can give Me a home?’

That is the day God left that Temple of yours.
And joined the poor beside the roads, under the trees.
Like the emptiness of the froth in the vast seas,
Your mundane temple is hollow.
It is just a bubble of wealth and pride.”

The enraged King howled,
“oh you sham cretin of a person,
Leave my kingdom this instant”.

The Saint replied calmly,
“To the very place to which you have exiled the Divine,
Banish now the devout too”.

Rabindranath Tagore,
20th of Shravan, 1307 (as per Bengali Calendar)

Worth a mention during this pandemic that has swallowed India and it’s people irrespective of their religion.

Would you still be crying if Babri masjid was getting rebuilt there instead of Ram Mandir?

Or

You’ll be rejoicing like many libtards?

 

[pillionrider]

Sadly Gandhi Patel Amdedkar all passed away within few years and then Nehru had an open field to do what he pleases.It was Nehru who brought in muslim appeasement as a policy. And his descendants continued it.

Muslims were given a country in 1947. Rest of the religions are free to do what they please in the rest of the land. If muslims had the right to a country, hindus have the right to the temples in their land. Nehru and his descendants have too long suppressed that.

Do you have a readymade list of the things that Nehru gave away to Muslims or created for them, for which there is absolutely no equivalent for the Hindus?

 

[Slog]

Sadly Gandhi Patel Amdedkar all passed away within few years and then Nehru had an open field to do what he pleases.It was Nehru who brought in muslim appeasement as a policy. And his descendants continued it.

Muslims were given a country in 1947. Rest of the religions are free to do what they please in the rest of the land. If muslims had the right to a country, hindus have the right to the temples in their land. Nehru and his descendants have too long suppressed that.

Why do I get the sense that whe you say ‘their’ land you day as if it is exclusively the land of the Hindus and Muslims are some guests? Muslims have equal claims I would think.

And there’s no monolith muslims group and when you day muslims got their own country; that is not an argument to be given to indian Muslims who stayed back? It seems like you’re saying if you can’t agree to hindu wishes go to Pakistan...

The structure standing before was demolished. The excavation under the mosque showed there was a big structure that was beneath the mosque.

A temple will have idol carvings all over the place. Such a structure cannot be used as a mosque.

If you google Gyan Vyapi mosque, you will see that the back wall of the destroyed temple still stands and is used as the back wall of the mosque.

Other converted mosques used structures of other religions and just removed aspects which won’t go with the mosque such as in Hagia Sophia and the mosaics. So if it was grand big structure, babar would’ve done the same thing perhaps. Anyways that’s a moot point but was just thinking.

 

[JaDed]

Do you have a readymade list of the things that Nehru gave away to Muslims or created for them, for which there is absolutely no equivalent for the Hindus?

Lol Joshila would find an issue even if Indian Muslims were given Tea and Hindus Coffee and then would demand the tea which the Muslims are having instead of just making a new cup of tea.

 

[Slog]

AIMPLB has said that a Hagia Sofia like conversion isnt ruled out.

If they dont accept the verdict of a constitutional court, the majority community can too refuse to support a secular state and make a hindu nation.

And who made AIMPLB or whatever the official spokesperson of Muslims lol. It seems you want to make them as such to further a narrative.

If religious leaning organizations were made spokesperson on entities reigions then there are dozens of Absolutely frivolous remarks by so called hindu organizations over the years including by people in positions of power now

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] [MENTION=146594]BreadPakoda[/MENTION] you guys are mistaken if you think they would stop at this.. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] has already named another mosque..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why do I get the sense that whe you say ‘their’ land you day as if it is exclusively the land of the Hindus and Muslims are some guests? Muslims have equal claims I would think.

And there’s no monolith muslims group and when you day muslims got their own country; that is not an argument to be given to indian Muslims who stayed back? It seems like you’re saying if you can’t agree to hindu wishes go to Pakistan...



Other converted mosques used structures of other religions and just removed aspects which won’t go with the mosque such as in Hagia Sophia and the mosaics. So if it was grand big structure, babar would’ve done the same thing perhaps. Anyways that’s a moot point but was just thinking.

The basis or partition was that hindu and muslims cant live together and hence there needs to be a separate country for muslims. Muslims got that separate country.

The muslims who stayed back were given no guarantee under any agreement in 1947 that India will have no state religion. It was only in 1950 that under the constitution it was declared that there would be no state religion and it was only in 1976 that the word secular was inserted into the preamble.

So to say that any guarantees were given to muslims during the partition or before it in terms of secularism is not correct.

They stayed back knowing fully well that they may be residing in a overwhelming hindu majority state which may have a state religion too.

Just like hindus in Pakistan stayed back knowing they will be in an islamic state.


I fully back my country to be truly secular and revoke all kind of religious specific laws, be it muslim personal laws or be it cow slaughter ban.

But on the other hand,you have to consider that
There are Islamic countries, christian countries, Buddhist countries and even a jewish country. No one has any objection. I wonder who will raise an objection if a country with 80 per cent hindus is declared a hindu country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol Joshila would find an issue even if Indian Muslims were given Tea and Hindus Coffee and then would demand the tea which the Muslims are having instead of just making a new cup of tea.

Can you tell me why Nehru tried to stop the construction of Somnath temple? Why he asked Rajendra Prasad to not go to Somnath?

Why in 1952 when hindu laws were codified and brought under the constitution, muslim personal laws were left untouched?

 

[cricketjoshila]

And who made AIMPLB or whatever the official spokesperson of Muslims lol. It seems you want to make them as such to further a narrative.

If religious leaning organizations were made spokesperson on entities reigions then there are dozens of Absolutely frivolous remarks by so called hindu organizations over the years including by people in positions of power now

AIMPLB is All India Muslim Personal Law Board. Muslims usually follow their diktat in personal law matters.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] [MENTION=146594]BreadPakoda[/MENTION] you guys are mistaken if you think they would stop at this.. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] has already named another mosque..

I can name many. Unlike Ayodhya, the demolition of Vishwanath Temple, Mathura temple, destruction of temples to build qutub minar and quwwat ul islam mosque is recorded and historically accepted.


Btw can you tell me that if a court grants a land to a party, can the govt force that party to cede the land to another party? Is this lawful?

 

[JaDed]

Can you tell me why Nehru tried to stop the construction of Somnath temple? Why he asked Rajendra Prasad to not go to Somnath?

Why in 1952 when hindu laws were codified and brought under the constitution, muslim personal laws were left untouched?

Yes its his fault to try and make Hindus progressive and taking off polygamy.

 

[JaDed]

I can name many. Unlike Ayodhya, the demolition of Vishwanath Temple, Mathura temple, destruction of temples to build qutub minar and quwwat ul islam mosque is recorded and historically accepted.


Btw can you tell me that if a court grants a land to a party, can the govt force that party to cede the land to another party? Is this lawful?

The unlawful part is taking a huge army of fools and getting it destructed, no issue with court cases and their decisions but is the same logic again going to be applied to the Mosques in your mind..destroy them and then go to court to claim them?

 

[CricketCartoons]

The unlawful part is taking a huge army of fools and getting it destructed, no issue with court cases and their decisions but is the same logic again going to be applied to the Mosques in your mind..destroy them and then go to court to claim them?

That is called deus ex machina. Without it there was no way justice was going to be served.

 

[pillionrider]

I fully back my country to be truly secular and revoke all kind of religious specific laws, be it muslim personal laws or be it cow slaughter ban.

Joshilay for PM

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

India is a civilization that has come to be profoundly marked by defeat. There were multiple desecrations of Hindu temples by British soldiers, and for a while it seems that the defeat perceived as simply the result of many centuries of foreign domination, not only that of the British Raj but of the long period of Muslim rule before that. The wound perceived is much deeper than the injuries inflicted by alien conquerors. In the end the wound is seen to be self-inflicted: India is a defeated civilization because it is a civilization shaped by Hinduism.
All India is trying to do now under Modi now is to heal this wounded civilization.
No wonder there are great chances of him winning again. there is no opposition who can withstand him for next 10 years at least.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Joshilay for PM

Another fallen soldier to the cause. How can the likes and needs of a small percentage be given the same importance as the needs of the majority. Happiness of a nation can be maximized by maximizing the happiness of the majority. Simple MiniMax Algorithm in game theory.