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BCCI loses vote in ICC revenue and constitutional changes

Bilal7 said:
Great news, if true. They should have just taken what they were offered and if they don't like it, stop playing international cricket, at least against the full member nations, and just focus on the IPL. The BCCI doesn't have the balls to do that though so they'll drag this along and finally come to a settlement to save some face.
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ICC have shown who is the father here. This is how you deal with a spoilt brat. And lol at those who think IPL can challenge international cricket. IPL with only indian players will be a big flop. It is funny because you pretend to be powerful yet want international stars to make your domestic tournament a hit.

Real losers will be honest indian cricket fans who will not be able to watch indian team play in the champions trophy.
 
Specialisttailender said:
Bro, BCCI operating cost is extremely high. 10,000 police officers are hired during each IPL or international match and BCCI has to pay for them. BCCI's revenue doesn't normally go over $30 Million according to my source. If that is the case then these cut will impact BCCI.
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I thought IPL income is separate?
 
JoniInsafian said:
Less than 3.5% sir.... BCCI income in 2015-2016 was 3000 crores rupees..... I think that's 3 billion dollars. 285 million is every 5 years (I think) so it is 60 millions of 3 billions (or 2%)....
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3000 Crores = 3 billion dollars ? Lol in which country?

$1 Billion = 6500 Crores.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
ICC have shown who is the father here. This is how you deal with a spoilt brat. And lol at those who think IPL can challenge international cricket. IPL with only indian players will be a big flop. It is funny because you pretend to be powerful yet want international stars to make your domestic tournament a hit.

Real losers will be honest indian cricket fans who will not be able to watch indian team play in the champions trophy.
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Really? ICC set a deadline day for submitting team for CT and it ended already and we are yet to submit team,is father going to ban us??
 
Syed1 said:
Actually that is the thing. Now that India would not be participating in ICC tournaments, ICC will not have any need to give India a 2 month window for IPL. Most teams will not waste a 2 month window and arrange some bilateral series during that time which may mean that only "best of the rest of the world" in the IPL will be Windies mercenaries and rejects from other nations.
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Why do have to say this bhai. They can organise one like they did one for TLPL or TNPL whatever that Chennai organised for sacking CSK and they telecast that in star sports don't know who the players were but deano and Hayden were commentators
 
Bilal7 said:
EPL style with a bunch of Indian nobodies, West Indian mercenaries and a few rejects from Australia and South Africa. Even that is unlikely because what Aussie or English cricketer would want to live in India?

I can see it being tried for a couple of years, bombing hard and then going the way of India's soccer league. Won't be surprised if KL Rahul and players from his age group migrate to Australia or England to play some proper cricket.
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Bigger question is whether ICC would be able to survive for two years?

Would the broadcaster be willing to pay them the same amount without the assurance of eye balls from India or would it negotiate a price cut?

I think one CT without Indian team would give us the picture on where the bcci and ICC stand.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Why do have to say this bhai. They can organise one like they did one for TLPL or TNPL whatever that Chennai organised for sacking CSK and they telecast that in star sports don't know who the players were but deano and Hayden were commentators
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TNPL is not for sacking CSK it's an internal tourney.There is another tourney running in Karnataka state for last few years.

We can arrange leagues in states and get big viewership similar to other top cricket leagues outside IPL
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
ICC have shown who is the father here. This is how you deal with a spoilt brat. And lol at those who think IPL can challenge international cricket. IPL with only indian players will be a big flop. It is funny because you pretend to be powerful yet want international stars to make your domestic tournament a hit.

Real losers will be honest indian cricket fans who will not be able to watch indian team play in the champions trophy.
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Sensible Indian at the end of the day.
 
Question is will SC the bastion of socialism allow BCCI to pull out??
 
tomato said:
TNPL is not for sacking CSK it's an internal tourney.There is another tourney running in Karnataka state for last few years.

We can arrange leagues in states and get big viewership similar to other top cricket leagues outside IPL
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Fantastic.
 
Lot of people don't seem to understand the difference between not playing in ice tournaments and not playing internationals. BCCI should pull out of all occ events and all Indians will stand behind it.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
ICC have shown who is the father here. This is how you deal with a spoilt brat. And lol at those who think IPL can challenge international cricket. IPL with only indian players will be a big flop. It is funny because you pretend to be powerful yet want international stars to make your domestic tournament a hit.

Real losers will be honest indian cricket fans who will not be able to watch indian team play in the champions trophy.
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Let Indians decide whats good for them.
 
tomato said:
As i already said to other poster there is only 32 slots for foreigners and hardly 20 big international players claiming it..really a not big problem to fill this by paying good money.Even Pakistani's will come :))
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We need to stop thinking that we are the only patriotic people. I notice that lot of immigrants from other countries are patriotic but they don't thump their chest and rub it in everyone's face like we do. They send money back home through NGOs, organize community gathering, enroll their kids into learning their native language classes. What makes you think Pakistani players are going to ditch the opportunity to wearing national colours, get tagged as a "traitor" in order to make money ?
 
JoniInsafian said:
Ok so it's 500 million$ annual income......... 280 million$ is over 8 year. 280/8=35 million$. India is fighting for 35 million$ annually or 7% of income (like I said before but I got mistaken after due to conversion rates, sorry)!!!!!
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Dude, get a calculator please! Man!!
 
cricketjoshila said:
The GOI should pass a ordinance and take over bcci.
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And fire Shashank Manohar,tbf i least expect BJP to do that and rightly so ,GOVN should keep off but sadly this has become political,would still nt support GOI taking over,imagine if someday Congress comes to power and gets control over BCCI ,can't bear Kalmadi running BCCI.
 
JoniInsafian said:
I got wrong conversion rate.... It's 7%, not 3.5%..... Now tell me how I'm wrong?? My source is BCCI annual report.....
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Receipts from ICC/ACC share of distribution/Participation Fees were at Rs. 163.11 Crores compared to Rs. 54.15 Crores in
the previous year. This increased income is mainly due to receipt of funds for the ICC World Cup 2015 (ODI) held in Australia
and New Zealand.

from TREASURER’S REPORT of the BCCI annual report 2015/16. Can you do the math now?

here is the link for you

http://relaunch-live.s3.amazonaws.c...ual Report 2015-16_FOR BCCI WEBSITE_FINAL.pdf
 
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Woohooooo...

Fake Socialism wins today. No formula to revenue sharing as far as I can tell. Just cut India's share and increase everyone else.

I hope ICC dont kill the golden goose.
 
JaDed said:
And fire Shashank Manohar,tbf i least expect BJP to do that and rightly so ,GOVN should keep off but sadly this has become political,would still nt support GOI taking over,imagine if someday Congress comes to power and gets control over BCCI ,can't bear Kalmadi running BCCI.
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No, political interference will be end of cricket as a professional game in India.
 
Well, for once, things are getting interesting here. I really want BCCI to pull out now, not because of not-so-innocuous generalities regarding Indians over here but, just to see who was bluffing out of the two parties in question and just for chutzpah. :yk

On a more serious note, I think, manhonar will be painted as backstabbing scoundrel on Indian media and one shouldn't be surprised if media taps into ultranationalism of us Indians and inoculate not watching ICC events as sign to showing off your patriotism.

I have no problem in watching IPL seven months a year as far as our premium cricketers play in it. It's just ICC events not bilatarels right?
 
Specialisttailender said:
Bro, BCCI operating cost is extremely high. 10,000 police officers are hired during each IPL or international match and BCCI has to pay for them. BCCI's revenue doesn't normally go over $30 Million according to my source. If that is the case then these cut will impact BCCI.
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Who told you 10k police officers are hired?

Bcci transfers bulk of its profit to state boards and even that amount is normally 20cr or more each year so that taxes are less.On top of that they declare a surplus of millions of dollars. So while losing ICC revenues will not be that big.Ofcourse some effects will be felt.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You are not the chaudhary of india who is going to decide that.
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Are you chaudhury?Who made you the decision maker of what Indian fans will feel.I cannot decide for them but it seems you want to decide fir them.

Let Indians and Indian cricket fans decide what they want.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Are you chaudhury?Who made you the decision maker of what Indian fans will feel.I cannot decide for them but it seems you want to decide fir them.

Let Indians and Indian cricket fans decide what they want.
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No you always decide for them and speak like the spokesperson of BCCI and Indian cricket. If you don't believe me ask others here.
 
Noobosauras said:
Lol spare me the condescension. I am a taxman. India has one of the highest rates of tax. I am in the department implementing GST here, I can assure you, tax rates overall (Direct + Indirect) is one of the highest in India. People mistake by comparing us to USA which doesnt have any indirect tax.
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JoniInsafian said:
Less than 3.5% sir.... BCCI income in 2015-2016 was 3000 crores rupees..... I think that's 3 billion dollars. 285 million is every 5 years (I think) so it is 60 millions of 3 billions (or 2%)....
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It is 12%. Feel free to do the research. How much would someone making a million would end up paying tax to the government ?


3000 crores ? That is a lot bro, sounds like too much, you have any source ?
 
India pulling out will give Pakistan's ranking a great boost. Even a single win against top side should ensure WC qualification. :imran
 
BCCI should pull out from the champion trophy/WC and also get the ashes cancelled. That would show the ICC.
 
Poutine said:
BCCI should pull out from the champion trophy/WC and also get the ashes cancelled. That would show the ICC.
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Considering the ICC has about as much to do with the Ashes as I do with Narendra Modi's foreign policy sure, go ahead
 
cricketjoshila said:
Are you chaudhury?Who made you the decision maker of what Indian fans will feel.I cannot decide for them but it seems you want to decide fir them.

Let Indians and Indian cricket fans decide what they want.
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From what I have read in the Internet, most Indian fans want BCCI to pull out from the CT. Hopefully that's what they do and show ICC that there can be no world tournament without India.
 
This is getting really interesting now. I want us to pull out of CT just for lols, anyway we have been playing too much cricket lately.
 
Specialisttailender said:
It is 12%. Feel free to do the research. How much would someone making a million would end up paying tax to the government ?


3000 crores ? That is a lot bro, sounds like too much, you have any source ?
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How does it matter how much BCCI earns overall. Are we also counting interest earned on fixed deposits here? Do you know basics of accounting?

We compare a revenue stream to the same stream. Please do the math again now.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
ICC have shown who is the father here. This is how you deal with a spoilt brat. And lol at those who think IPL can challenge international cricket. IPL with only indian players will be a big flop. It is funny because you pretend to be powerful yet want international stars to make your domestic tournament a hit.

Real losers will be honest indian cricket fans who will not be able to watch indian team play in the champions trophy.
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Exactly. Which is why it's best for everyone if the BCCI stops acting like a brat and lets us all enjoy some quality cricket.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Considering the ICC has about as much to do with the Ashes as I do with Narendra Modi's foreign policy sure, go ahead
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First of all, your post is unclear, I don't know how much you have to do with Modi's foreign policy , for all I know you play a major role.

Anyways cricket including ashes is nothing without Indian viewership.
 
Specialisttailender said:
Just not yet :djb. They will mow our players down with their strength. We got no chance with 6.5, 6.6 strong built, athletic West Indians. While it may expose the true quality of hockey, it will give us a competition.
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you havent played much kabaddi if you think height is useful. Best kabaddi players are stocky.
 
Noobosauras said:
Receipts from ICC/ACC share of distribution/Participation Fees were at Rs. 163.11 Crores compared to Rs. 54.15 Crores in
the previous year. This increased income is mainly due to receipt of funds for the ICC World Cup 2015 (ODI) held in Australia
and New Zealand.

from TREASURER’S REPORT of the BCCI annual report 2015/16. Can you do the math now?

here is the link for you

http://relaunch-live.s3.amazonaws.c...ual Report 2015-16_FOR BCCI WEBSITE_FINAL.pdf
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ACC isn't ICC.... And we are talking about ICC revenue sharing, not participation fees.... From that same report, anual BCCI income is 500 million $.... Revenue sharing is 280 million dollars over 8 years but BCCI wants double that.... So it's indeed 35 million anually like I said!

By the way 54 crores is less than 3% of 3000 crores (total income).

Please learn math!!!!!
 
JoniInsafian said:
ACC isn't ICC.... And we are talking about ICC revenue sharing, not participation fees.... From that same report, anual BCCI income is 500 million $.... Revenue sharing is 280 million dollars over 8 years but BCCI wants double that.... So it's indeed 35 million anually like I said!

By the way 54 crores is less than 3% of 3000 crores (total income).

Please learn math!!!!!
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You should do bit more research & use calculator :))

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/story/1081598.html
 
JoniInsafian said:
ACC isn't ICC.... And we are talking about ICC revenue sharing, not participation fees.... From that same report, anual BCCI income is 500 million $.... Revenue sharing is 280 million dollars over 8 years but BCCI wants double that.... So it's indeed 35 million anually like I said!

By the way 54 crores is less than 3% of 3000 crores (total income).

Please learn math!!!!!
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Participation fees is the money BCCI gets for playing ICC tournaments.So yes its part of ICC revenue sharing.
 
JoniInsafian said:
It is over 8 years genius!!

Before big 3, BCCI earned the 280 million dollars I quoted before big 3... And now we're going back to that with this vote.... Which is where the quoted figure of ''BCCI loses 280 millions comes from'', it's just going back to old model....
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Whats your point?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
ICC have shown who is the father here. This is how you deal with a spoilt brat. And lol at those who think IPL can challenge international cricket. IPL with only indian players will be a big flop. It is funny because you pretend to be powerful yet want international stars to make your domestic tournament a hit.

Real losers will be honest indian cricket fans who will not be able to watch indian team play in the champions trophy.
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Quite mistaken buddy, who made you the flag bearer of real cricket fans? You certainly don't speak on their behalf. As a cricket fan id watch CT regardless and as an Indian cricket fan I want BCCI to boycott CT. Id want them to boycott ICC altogether. ICC cannot stop players of practicing in the IPL.
Time to create an alternate organization if need be, ICC may need an alternate board to reckon with
 
cricketjoshila said:
Whats your point?
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They're saying my math is wrong.... When they don't understand the figures....

BCCI total income is 500 millions pa, they ''lose'' 280 millions over 8 years so it's 7%.......

In 2011 (where the graph above is from).... they earned half since it was before big 3, so the share of half of ICC income is 3.5%.....

But a wider point is that media saying that BCCI is losing 280 millions are wrong.... Since the 280 millions come from big three change... Compared to 3 years ago, BCCI isn't losing anything.... It's only a loss of potential increased income.....
 
JoniInsafian said:
They're saying my math is wrong.... When they don't understand the figures....

BCCI total income is 500 millions pa, they ''lose'' 280 millions over 8 years so it's 7%.......

In 2011 (where the graph above is from).... they earned half since it was before big 3, so the share of half of ICC income is 3.5%.....

But a wider point is that media saying that BCCI is losing 280 millions are wrong.... Since the 280 millions come from big three change... Compared to 3 years ago, BCCI isn't losing anything.... It's only a loss of potential increased income.....
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That includes IPL, bilaterals, interest income and what not. How is that of a concern here?
 
Where does this leave the ECB in all this tussle between ICC and BCCI? Are they the ones footing the initial bill as hosts of CT?

If the BCCI pull out of CT (not sure if they have said anything about this) there will be a reduction revenue. Would that mean that the CT will lose money? has anyone done the math? Also where does this leave the payouts to different boards from the ICC event?
 
Where are those ignorant Pak posters who thinks BCB is lap dog of BCCI and cannot take their own decisions????
 
Noobosauras said:
That includes IPL, bilaterals, interest income and what not. How is that of a concern here?
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Have you not been reading the thread???? That's the point [MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] made.... That ICC revenue is pocket money for BCCI thanks to bilaterals, interest income, IPL etc.... While it's everything for Ireland... You are fighting for less than 7% of income and endagering cricket over it..... You think there will be bilaterals with IPL of 10 months like you want????
 
USofA said:
Where does this leave the ECB in all this tussle between ICC and BCCI? Are they the ones footing the initial bill as hosts of CT?

If the BCCI pull out of CT (not sure if they have said anything about this) there will be a reduction revenue. Would that mean that the CT will lose money? has anyone done the math? Also where does this leave the payouts to different boards from the ICC event?
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Media rights to CT already sold..... Nobody cares if India pulls out.... Ticket sales are chump change....
 
JoniInsafian said:
You didn't post full balance sheet.....

And why??? IPL income and interest are part of BCCI budget.....
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It is there in the link. You have been harping about annual report all along, atleast open it now that you have made the claim. Seriously!!

http://relaunch-live.s3.amazonaws.c...ual Report 2015-16_FOR BCCI WEBSITE_FINAL.pdf

This is my last post for you. Be happy with your calculation, I do mine and I see a good reason to be agitated with what has happened. BCCI will do its own calculations and decide.

You and I are nothing here, lets see what unfolds.

Also I recommend Khan academy math lectures to you :D
 
JoniInsafian said:
Media rights to CT already sold..... Nobody cares if India pulls out.... Ticket sales are chump change....
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True, no one cares now, but it will matter when the next tourny happens and BCCI declare before rights are sold that they will not play.
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
Where are those ignorant Pak posters who thinks BCB is lap dog of BCCI and cannot take their own decisions????
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Ignore them, there is just jealous that of how good the BD team is. They are probably still hurting over the defeat BD inflicted on them at the T20 WC.
 
JoniInsafian said:
Have you not been reading the thread???? That's the point [MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] made.... That ICC revenue is pocket money for BCCI thanks to bilaterals, interest income, IPL etc.... While it's everything for Ireland... You are fighting for less than 7% of income and endagering cricket over it..... You think there will be bilaterals with IPL of 10 months like you want????
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I have every right to be agitated. Ireland with a population of 4.5 Million gets $60million while 1.3 Billion Indians fight for 500 million? do the math. also, Ireland is a rich country with per capita income above 45000 USD. India is around 1700 USD. Its shameful and disgusting that we have to subsidize Irish cricket. Go ask your own rich govt for money !!!
 
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Couldn't gather much information but from the headlines i feel justice will be served the day the changes are implemented i feel the ICC should not only ban India from representing CT for indiscipline but also renege the extra 100 m offered which was a stupid attempt at reconciliation on the part of ICC to begin with, you are a governing body start acting like one. This is just pathetic from BCCI and it is shameful how they have flexed their muscle to bully the ICC and the ICC on its part have been extremely lax of this habitual offender. I wish my fellow indian brethren could see the impetuous and whimsical nature of BCCI.
 
bleaf27 said:
Quite mistaken buddy, who made you the flag bearer of real cricket fans? You certainly don't speak on their behalf. As a cricket fan id watch CT regardless and as an Indian cricket fan I want BCCI to boycott CT. Id want them to boycott ICC altogether. ICC cannot stop players of practicing in the IPL.
Time to create an alternate organization if need be, ICC may need an alternate board to reckon with
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Alternate organisation? Is it that simple? Just give it a try.
 
Syed1 said:
Actually that is the thing. Now that India would not be participating in ICC tournaments, ICC will not have any need to give India a 2 month window for IPL. Most teams will not waste a 2 month window and arrange some bilateral series during that time which may mean that only "best of the rest of the world" in the IPL will be Windies mercenaries and rejects from other nations.
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well traditionally no major teams have series in April/May Both Australia, England an SA hardly play anything during that time. More enough money will pull right people..
 
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