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It’s ace. At last we see Jimmy morphing into Saul.
 
Season 5 was truly amazing. In my opinion this is the best tv show currently airing. Just gets better every season. Although I haven’t seen peaky blinders.

The writing and direction are unparalleled. Kim Wexler and of course Saul are among my favourite characters in tv history. Lalo was my only concern when he was first introduced but he is a great villain.
 
Better Call Saul is a magnificent show.

Watched the full fifth season this weekend, and I’ve got to say it’s the best yet.

The actors who portray Saul, Mike, Kim, Nacho, Gus and Lalo are all absolutely immaculate in their roles. Epic writing and directing in every episode. Brilliant continuity leading into Breaking Bad, with no plot holes to speak of and meticulous attention to detail.

The final three episodes of the season were all absolutely gripping five-star achievements.

This show could end up being better than Breaking Bad.
 
James said:
Better Call Saul is a magnificent show.

Watched the full fifth season this weekend, and I’ve got to say it’s the best yet.

The actors who portray Saul, Mike, Kim, Nacho, Gus and Lalo are all absolutely immaculate in their roles. Epic writing and directing in every episode. Brilliant continuity leading into Breaking Bad, with no plot holes to speak of and meticulous attention to detail.

The final three episodes of the season were all absolutely gripping five-star achievements.

This show could end up being better than Breaking Bad.
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agreed with you till you said better than breaking bad. come on. take that back
 
Nadeemp said:
agreed with you till you said better than breaking bad. come on. take that back
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I said “could end up being better than”. I’m not declaring yet.

There is still one season of Better Call Saul to go - and just imagine if this closing season is somewhere around the near-flawless quality of Breaking Bad’s famous final season. There would definitely be a case worth discussing.

Breaking Bad is still the GOAT as of right now.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Season 5 was truly amazing. In my opinion this is the best tv show currently airing. Just gets better every season. Although I haven’t seen peaky blinders.

The writing and direction are unparalleled. Kim Wexler and of course Saul are among my favourite characters in tv history. Lalo was my only concern when he was first introduced but he is a great villain.
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Peaky Blinders is more style than content ,rather watch similar kind Boardwalk Empire its executively produced by Scorsese as well..
 
James said:
I said “could end up being better than”. I’m not declaring yet.

There is still one season of Better Call Saul to go - and just imagine if this closing season is somewhere around the near-flawless quality of Breaking Bad’s famous final season. There would definitely be a case worth discussing.

Breaking Bad is still the GOAT as of right now.
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I am one of those people who never watched BB until i got into BCS, can honestly says, I find BCS a better show then BB which was a few season too long imo but still up there with Sopranos and Fargo.

As for Season 5 of BCS, Lalo's definitely my favorite character, hope he survives till the very end.
 
It's a great show, really showcases the writers as up there with the best of the best when it comes to producing epic tv shows. But I disagree with those who put it up there with Breaking Bad. It just isn't for me personally.

I said this in the Netflix thread, that while it's great to see the old characters back, one of the problems is that even though they are still great, they all look older, and this is supposed to be a prequel. It just loses some of that vitality for me because of it.

While we've seen some great new characters in this one like Lalo, Kim and Nacho, I have to go back to the ones who are missing: Jesse, Badger, Skinny Pete and of course Heisenberg himself.

My acid test for any tv show is when one episode is finished, can I resist hitting play on the next one? For BB I was sometimes up in the early hours of the morning watching just one more. With this, that just hasn't happened. That said, it's still a fantastic show in it's own right.
 
Salman said:
I am one of those people who never watched BB until i got into BCS, can honestly says, I find BCS a better show then BB which was a few season too long imo but still up there with Sopranos and Fargo.

As for Season 5 of BCS, Lalo's definitely my favorite character, hope he survives till the very end.
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Im not sure but looks like the new season of Fargo has been delayed?
 
Better Call Saul is better than Breaking Bad (Greatest TV Series of all time)

Had to be said. As good as BB was, I think Better Call Saul had surpassed it in terms of quality and depth. Jimmy McGill is a much more complex character than Walter White, and his transformation into a sleazy criminal lawyer is much more interesting than Walt simply feeding into his ego’s dark desires to satiate his hunger for power and glory.

The side characters also have more depth in BCS (apart from Jesse)- with their own demons and better character arcs throughout the seasons. There’s layers to each character.

It’s just sad how you want to root for these main characters but eventually they make such twisted decisions that you have no choice but to root against them. It’s what makes this a compelling universe to follow.
 
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Season 6 starts on Netflix, 18th April!

19th April in UK.

Can’t wait!
 
Wow.

Episode 3 of this final season is beyond incredible!

Possibly the greatest ever Better Call Saul episode to date, and right up there with the best of Breaking Bad as well.

Still reeling.
 
i'm planning on binge watching this season after ramadan.

It's a great show but I have found that all of the seasons become quite forgettable, apart from a few key scenes I've had a hard time remembering whats happened previously.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
i'm planning on binge watching this season after ramadan.

It's a great show but I have found that all of the seasons become quite forgettable, apart from a few key scenes I've had a hard time remembering whats happened previously.
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Seasons 5 and 6 have been the best, at times on par with the strongest episodes of Breaking Bad if not better.
 
Man e3 was insane of this new season.

Felt like 20 mins, it flew by with all the craziness. Imo it’s already surpassed BB. Ofc it has BB to thank for laying the foundation too let’s be honest.

Character development in the franchise has always been on point.
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
i'm planning on binge watching this season after ramadan.

It's a great show but I have found that all of the seasons become quite forgettable, apart from a few key scenes I've had a hard time remembering whats happened previously.
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True. Its much different than BB. Still a very good series though.

Looking at how old the actors have become, i am glad its coming to an end
 
I think kim wexlar will die. Ignacio might make it to Canada Manitoba maybe
 
Just ended episode three... I cant believe it. Mann, how they gonna carry on the next 7 episodes.

Atleast this is building up well for BB. The reason why Gus controls everything in his area...
 
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Crazy that Saul mentioned Nacho & Lalo in BB. And now we have a series on the back of that.
 
I have noticed in recent episodes (back end of season 5; early season 6) that the visual and episodic style of BCS is becoming more and more like Breaking Bad, like they are slowly blending together into the same brand of show. Moving away from the dark comedy and courtroom legal elements, and more into the neo-Western desert setting with the dramatic moments and undercurrent of Shakespearean tragedy.
 
The mid season finale was just fantastic.

Everyone was predicting on reddit that what will happen to howard which will make kim vanish. Different theories were proposed.

What happened on episode 7, no one could had predicted that. Just no onee

This was the ozymandias of bcs. Loved the mid season finale now have to wait for weeks for the rest of the episodes
 
Amazing mid season finale.

The second genuine 10/10 from this season along with the earlier Nacho episode; and also Face Off, Ozymandias, Felina from BB.

These upcoming final six episodes of BCS are going to be off the chart.

Better Call Saul is now officially just as good a show as Breaking Bad, if not better.
 
James said:
Let us know your thoughts! :)
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Very good. The Lalo-Gus chess match advanced as Jimmy’s unfeasibly labyrinthine plot against Howard came to fruition.

Shocking climax closely akin to the end of season 3 of Ozark. Poor Howard. I liked him. Basically an OK guy whose downfall was brought about by contact with Jimmy/Saul,
 
Robert said:
Why, for letting herself become corrupted by Jimmy?
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Its the other way around.

Jimmy actually felt bad for what he has been doing, but kim, as howard said, kim is souless.

Remember when kim said to Saul, either you the friend of the cartel or a rat. Than she hid the fact regarding lalo being alive from jimmy.

Jimmy feels bad for what he does. But waxler doesnt even feel thr guilt.

Anyways, credit goes to vince for such a brilliant way of developing the characters and writing them.

The whole howard thing, it was not jimmys idea. It was kims idea. Kim was the one after him and caused him to die
 
Robert said:
Very good. The Lalo-Gus chess match advanced as Jimmy’s unfeasibly labyrinthine plot against Howard came to fruition.

Shocking climax closely akin to the end of season 3 of Ozark. Poor Howard. I liked him. Basically an OK guy whose downfall was brought about by contact with Jimmy/Saul,
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Jimmy wasnt really after howard, it was kim. Kim was after him and was later enabling jimmy
 
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with Kim.

Jimmy has created a monster.

He can’t control her now.
 
James said:
At this stage Kim is just as corrupting towards Jimmy/Saul as the other way around. This is one of the recurrent themes of the final season IMO.
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Its gonna be interesting to see whats kims next move. Does she go to the vaccume cleaner or does she die. She is gonna be full of guilt and regret if she has any soul left.

If she takes the vacume cleaner route, than gene will be reunited with her
 
Major said:
Its gonna be interesting to see whats kims next move. Does she go to the vaccume cleaner or does she die. She is gonna be full of guilt and regret if she has any soul left.

If she takes the vacume cleaner route, than gene will be reunited with her
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The vaccuum cleaner man / disappearer is my theory, and then Jimmy/Saul/Gene eventually gets his happy ending with Kim in Nebraska.
 
James said:
The vaccuum cleaner man / disappearer is my theory, and then Jimmy/Saul/Gene eventually gets his happy ending with Kim in Nebraska.
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But it isnt fair. Something bad needs to happy to kim for whcih she pays the price for what she did to howard.

Vince gilligan can pull off anything, thus predicting is to damn hard. Everyone knew something would happen to howard, no one expected that it would be lalo pulling thr trigger
 
Major said:
Its the other way around.

Jimmy actually felt bad for what he has been doing, but kim, as howard said, kim is souless.

Remember when kim said to Saul, either you the friend of the cartel or a rat. Than she hid the fact regarding lalo being alive from jimmy.

Jimmy feels bad for what he does. But waxler doesnt even feel thr guilt.

Anyways, credit goes to vince for such a brilliant way of developing the characters and writing them.

The whole howard thing, it was not jimmys idea. It was kims idea. Kim was the one after him and caused him to die
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So she is Lady MacBeth you mean? Kim was never involved with the Cartel. That was all Jimmy. I suppose you could argue that she knew Lalo could return based on her covert conversation with Mike, but had no idea Howard would come to her house at the same time Lalo did.

I think you’re being misogynistic here. Like in BB where plenty of men hated Skyler while roaring Walt on.

I might have to rewatch 5.10, which is where Kim arguably broke bad.

Gillian says he would consider writing a Wexler spinoff. I don’t know why Rhea Seahorn hasn’t got an Emmy by now.

Check this out:

https://youtu.be/Z99bABYSf-w
 
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So she is Lady MacBeth you mean? Kim was never involved with the Cartel. That was all Jimmy. I suppose you could argue that she knew Lalo could return based on her covert conversation with Mike, but had no idea Howard would come to her house at the same time Lalo did.

I think you’re being misogynistic here. Like in BB where plenty of men hated Skyler while roaring Walt on.

I might have to rewatch 5.10, which is where Kim arguably broke bad.

Gillian says he would consider writing a Wexler spinoff. I don’t know why Rhea Seahorn hasn’t got an Emmy by now.

Check this out:

https://youtu.be/Z99bABYSf-w
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Just because i hate a character you think i am being misogynist? :)) Now what, i cant hate a female villian for being labelled.

Rhea seahorn has performed well as an actor. She did a splendid job, but her character kim wexler is souless. Howard pointed this out. While saul has regret she doesnt.

Jimmy got involved with the cartel not by choice. it qas kims idea to go after howard not sauls.

What they were doing with howard was bad it was gonna end bad, the fact that the two arcs ended up meeting, kim is responsible. Saul is also bad, but he kim is just next level evil.

Skyler was logical, the only thing that got her hate was her having sex with Ted.
 
Major said:
Just because i hate a character you think i am being misogynist? :)) Now what, i cant hate a female villian for being labelled.

Rhea seahorn has performed well as an actor. She did a splendid job, but her character kim wexler is souless. Howard pointed this out. While saul has regret she doesnt.

Jimmy got involved with the cartel not by choice. it qas kims idea to go after howard not sauls.

What they were doing with howard was bad it was gonna end bad, the fact that the two arcs ended up meeting, kim is responsible. Saul is also bad, but he kim is just next level evil.

Skyler was logical, the only thing that got her hate was her having sex with Ted.
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You say Kim is responsible, not Jimmy.

Jimmy destroyed Chuck, his own blood, all alone, yet you think Kim is worse for co-destroying Howard with Jimmy.

A lot of blokes don’t like strong women.

Skyler was hated by many male fans from the start.

It does seem to be a theme with morally complex female characters. The men get away with murder and are still loved, the women do one bad thing and are hated.
 
Robert said:
You say Kim is responsible, not Jimmy.

Jimmy destroyed Chuck, his own blood, all alone, yet you think Kim is worse for co-destroying Howard with Jimmy.

A lot of blokes don’t like strong women.

Skyler was hated by many male fans from the start.

It does seem to be a theme with morally complex female characters. The men get away with murder and are still loved, the women do one bad thing and are hated.
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Its nothing to do with male and female. If i hated a male character would you label me as someone who hates males?

Goodman wasnt after howard, that is what you are missing. It was kim who was after him. Goodman just played along.

Howard was a good guy. Chuck meanwhile wasnt really a good guy. Goodman wanted to do ecerything the legal way, live life legally, his brother self admits that he doesn't think much of him and was involved in stopping him from progressing. Jimmys hate for chuck is logical.

Kims hate for howard was illogical.

Another thing that you keep mossing is, Goodman has regret when he does something bad, kim just doesnt care..

As for skylar, she was hated for cheating
 
Major said:
Its nothing to do with male and female. If i hated a male character would you label me as someone who hates males?

Goodman wasnt after howard, that is what you are missing. It was kim who was after him. Goodman just played along.

Howard was a good guy. Chuck meanwhile wasnt really a good guy. Goodman wanted to do ecerything the legal way, live life legally, his brother self admits that he doesn't think much of him and was involved in stopping him from progressing. Jimmys hate for chuck is logical.

Kims hate for howard was illogical.

Another thing that you keep mossing is, Goodman has regret when he does something bad, kim just doesnt care..

As for skylar, she was hated for cheating
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No, that was incidental. Skyler was hated from the start for being a bossy woman.

It’s noticeable on line that male Gilliverse fans hold female characters to a higher standard of behaviour than males. This is misogyny.

Kim’s favourite film is To Kill a Mockingbird and she wanted to be Atticus Finch. That was her motivation for entering law as a career. At one point she dropped lucrative corporate work and took on public defender cases.

On the other hand she had a rotten example from her grifter mother.
 
Robert said:
No, that was incidental. Skyler was hated from the start for being a bossy woman.

It’s noticeable on line that male Gilliverse fans hold female characters to a higher standard of behaviour than males. This is misogyny.

Kim’s favourite film is To Kill a Mockingbird and she wanted to be Atticus Finch. That was her motivation for entering law as a career. At one point she dropped lucrative corporate work and took on public defender cases.

On the other hand she had a rotten example from her grifter mother.
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I didnt hate kim till howard got killed. After howards death, howards last words about kim stay in the head.

You are just souless
 
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] - Kim’s hate for Howard is because he stuck her in that dungeon doing paperwork.
[MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] - Kim never actually protested against Jimmy’s antics - she gave pragmatic advice about how to minimise risk.

She conned that loudmouth with Kim.

If she can manage risk, she will break the law. Perhaps that is why she is attracted to Jimmy. She gets a dopamine rush and runs into Jimmy’s arms. He enables her. And her risk- tolerance is dropping.

It’s interesting to note that when she is cornered by some truth about herself - she immediately attacks.

Everyone keep an eye on that Zafira bottle stopper - the show runners say it is critical. It’s a symbol of her thrill seeking. We saw it fall out of the removal van at their big house. Is she dead? Has she given up the thrill-seeking?

What a fascinating antiheroine / antivillainess! Best character in the series.
 
My interpretation has been that Jimmy/Saul is the original crooked one and has gradually created a monster in Kim. He turned a good honest lawyer into a criminal mastermind.

Now Saul who is himself a moral vacuum doesn’t know what to do and cannot halt Kim’s warpath, because she is smarter, more credible and more determined than he is. (and he knows it.)

Mike also said to Kim in relation to Saul ‘you are made of sterner stuff than him’…

Can’t wait to see what happens.
 
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[MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] - Kim says she comes from a little town in the Kansas / Nebraska border - which is close to Gene’s Omaha Cinnabon.

A connection? Nothing is coincidence in the UniVince.

I so hope she gets out.
 
Had to avoid this thread for a few days to avoid the spoilers. Bloody hell that was a shock. Almost jumped out of my seat.

Poor Howard.
 
So does Kim go back on the grift, becoming Giselle St Claire permanently? The lost bottle stopper would suggest no.

Does she give up on her girlhood dream of being Atticus Finch, and perhaps work in corporate law for Madrigal?

Does she survive the last reel?

Or...... work for Lalo and the cartel?
 
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Who the most eveil out of two. Kim or saul?
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I think they are both good people just low level scammers that slowly entered a world in which they were out of their depth.

Kim is clever enough to pull herself out of this world though.
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
Had to avoid this thread for a few days to avoid the spoilers. Bloody hell that was a shock. Almost jumped out of my seat.

Poor Howard.
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Wow. I hope this series is coming to a conclusion, Howard was one of the principal characters, I did not expect it to end like that. He will be a big miss, his prissy, control freak character is one of the most memorable we've had for a while.
 
Major said:
Who the most eveil out of two. Kim or saul?
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Neither.

One is basically an ok guy - a clever conman who feels remorse for some of his marks. But is getting sucked in by evil people.

The other is a daredevil who like to test the boundaries of what she can get away with.
 
IMO one of the most genuinely evil characters outside of the Salamanca dynasty is Chuck. Quite a nasty, ruthless man, and throughout his life he was horrible to Jimmy, mainly due to a pure envy of his little brother’s softer social skills.
 
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IMO one of the most genuinely evil characters outside of the Salamanca dynasty is Chuck. Quite a nasty, ruthless man, and throughout his life he was horrible to Jimmy, mainly due to a pure envy of his little brother’s softer social skills.
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His last conversation with Jimmy was brutal: "I never cared much for you." He had the stellar academic record and law career, and could have been a fine mentor.
 
Robert said:
His last conversation with Jimmy was brutal: "I never cared much for you." He had the stellar academic record and law career, and could have been a fine mentor.
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The occasional flashback scenes which show us some of the little incidents that made Chuck hate Jimmy so much are fantastic.

There is the moment where their mother dies and only Chuck is sat at the bedside, but her last words are when she asks specifically for Jimmy. Chuck never tells Jimmy this.

And there is also the uncomfortable evening for Chuck when him and his wife Rebecca invite early days slippin’ Jimmy over for dinner (think it’s the first time the wife meets him), and Jimmy has Rebecca roaring with laughter for the whole night while Chuck sits there sulking and on a different wavelength. Chuck then tries to tell his own jokes after Jimmy has left and Rebecca doesn’t find him funny.

It’s those petty moments of jealousy and social inadequacy that make Chuck truly envy and despise Jimmy in the end.
 
Finally caught up with BCS. Watched the mid-season finale 30 minutes ago and I'm still in shock.

Must be one of the best episodes of the entire show. The way Jimmy and Kim's plan played out, the strategic jousting between Lalo and Gus, and of course that ending. This is television.
 
Firebat said:
Finally caught up with BCS. Watched the mid-season finale 30 minutes ago and I'm still in shock.

Must be one of the best episodes of the entire show. The way Jimmy and Kim's plan played out, the strategic jousting between Lalo and Gus, and of course that ending. This is television.
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Already can’t wait for it to come back!
 
Added to my list and am going to start watching it soon.

Looks like there are some new episodes coming soon also in July.
 
Saj said:
Added to my list and am going to start watching it soon.

Looks like there are some new episodes coming soon also in July.
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You will be able to watch the whole thing then, the new episodes are the last ones :)
 
James said:
IMO one of the most genuinely evil characters outside of the Salamanca dynasty is Chuck. Quite a nasty, ruthless man, and throughout his life he was horrible to Jimmy, mainly due to a pure envy of his little brother’s softer social skills.
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Better singer, though.
 
It’s back.

And it’s incredible.

It’s the best thing on tv at the moment.
 
James said:
It’s back.

And it’s incredible.

It’s the best thing on tv at the moment.
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Just caught up.

Dark.

Had to watch the gunfight scene twice to figure out what happened.

A rare lapse in judgement from Gus.

Wonder if Jimmy’s act in sending Kim in his place will drive her to leave him?
 
Robert said:
Just caught up.

Dark.

Had to watch the gunfight scene twice to figure out what happened.

A rare lapse in judgement from Gus.

Wonder if Jimmy’s act in sending Kim in his place will drive her to leave him?
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I read it as Jimmy trying to protect Kim by giving her a chance to escape, and not wanting to leave Kim alone at the mercy of the charmingly psychotic Lalo.
 
A stupendous episode this week once again.

The ending is stunning.

Careful of spoilers.
 
Episode 9 has to be the best episode. The break up was epic, absolutely perfect. Kim was right, both saul and her together are poison, and im glad kim admitted her selfish desires to saul.

I liked how before the break up they met howards wife and kim continue the lie, and for the viewers it was really really disturbing. Than, because of their plan they had convinced cliff maime who couldnt say otherwise and the wife becomes devasted.

The fact that scene was so devasting, shows the great acting and directing even after viewers know 80percent of the story.

Has to be the best episode of this season. Loved it
 
Major said:
Episode 9 has to be the best episode. The break up was epic, absolutely perfect. Kim was right, both saul and her together are poison, and im glad kim admitted her selfish desires to saul.

I liked how before the break up they met howards wife and kim continue the lie, and for the viewers it was really really disturbing. Than, because of their plan they had convinced cliff maime who couldnt say otherwise and the wife becomes devasted.

The fact that scene was so devasting, shows the great acting and directing even after viewers know 80percent of the story.

Has to be the best episode of this season. Loved it
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S6 has been the best season of BCS by a mile and one of the greatest seasons of television that I have ever seen.
 
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A stupendous episode this week once again.

The ending is stunning.

Careful of spoilers.
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Yeah.

I was right about Kim.

Dunno how Gus managed to escape the Dons’ interrogation, that seemed a little contrived. Tio seems discredited.
 
Robert said:
Yeah.

I was right about Kim.

Dunno how Gus managed to escape the Dons’ interrogation, that seemed a little contrived. Tio seems discredited.
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I think we will see Kim again (likely in future form) before the show concludes.

I enjoyed the Mexico scene, it provides Hector with another strong reason to despise Gus — deepening their mutual hatred — and further tees up <I>Breaking Bad</I> with the new drug dealing hierarchy set by the Don.

For his alleged but unprovable indiscretion, Gus sort of got demoted to Juan Bolsa’s subordinate.

We can now see why Gus is so vengeful against the Cartel in BB.
 
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Moreso the “full circle” scene after.
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I found that a bit anticlimactic and sad....

And too fast. There has been a time jump I think. Remember that huge house at the beginning of the season. I reckon Jimmy wins big on Sandpiper.
 
There are still four (hopefully brilliant) episodes to come. Lots more past, present, and future for us to witness. Walt and Jesse are also confirmed cameos. :)
 
James said:
There are still four (hopefully brilliant) episodes to come.
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An episode about dealing with the emotional aftereffects of violent death - Mike with Ignacio’s father; Kim & Jimmy with Howard’s wife, who is doubly regretful as she was divorcing him; Gus with the Dons.
 
Robert said:
Yeah.

I was right about Kim.

Dunno how Gus managed to escape the Dons’ interrogation, that seemed a little contrived. Tio seems discredited.
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Gus makes them money. More than hectors gang, and eladio only cares about the money.

I hope we get a glimpse of tuco
 
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