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I saw it on sky news bro.
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Its difficult to seperate the two. Its originally a terrorotial dispute but has taken a religious identity. Similar to the Israeli Palestine issue in that regard. Many independence movements have assumed an Islamic identity for a variety of reasons. Firstly its easier to rally the masses and worldwide Ummah in support. Secondly its easier to find willing recruits. Thirdly other identities have failed for them.
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smoking weed makes people normal? lol
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This.
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I don't know why many here feel the need to bring up the fact that they are Muslims? Their religion doesn't matter, they're terrorists and should be dealt with as such.
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Well you are right Terrorism has no religion.But blame this association of terrorism with muslims on muslims please.
Wherever there is a dispute or difficulty they give it a religious colour and call it a religious war and and try to involve muslims from all around the world.
Palestine Kashmir Chechenya Afghanistan etc all are territorial disputes nothing to do with religion.No latter what religion these people had there would have been those terriotorial disputes.But you hear talks about jihad in these places.Whats Islam has got to do with these territorial disputes?When you bring religion into such cases others will do the same.
The prophet(PBUH) taught people to be tolerant peaceful loving.He didnt prescribe Jihad as a solution for everything nor did he call every war a Jihad.
Well you are right Terrorism has no religion.But blame this association of terrorism with muslims on muslims please.
Wherever there is a dispute or difficulty they give it a religious colour and call it a religious war and and try to involve muslims from all around the world.
Palestine Kashmir Chechenya Afghanistan etc all are territorial disputes nothing to do with religion.No latter what religion these people had there would have been those terriotorial disputes.But you hear talks about jihad in these places.Whats Islam has got to do with these territorial disputes?When you bring religion into such cases others will do the same.
The prophet(PBUH) taught people to be tolerant peaceful loving.He didnt prescribe Jihad as a solution for everything nor did he call every war a Jihad.
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Ok Guys - I have gone thru almost 400 posts here and deleted a few.
Here is the reality and I want ALL Of you to read before you post again
Any expression of any kind of sympathy with the bombers will result in deletion of post and repeated violation will lead to an eventual ban
PakPassion cannot be seen to be sympathising with any such elements - if you feel PP is not doing what it should do then you are free to take your sentiments elsewhere.
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Here is the reality and I want ALL Of you to read before you post again
Any expression of any kind of sympathy with the bombers will result in deletion of post and repeated violation will lead to an eventual ban
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They need to find out how , it could be the mosques . This mosque in my area last Eid had invited a British convert to Islam . The guy talked a lot of bull about how the Western culture is wrong for us . Those who don`t have enough knowledge can be made into easy targets and we don`t know how many more kids they must be radicalising .
absolutely .
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What an asinine statement. You automatically assumed these are not real suspects when they been running around Boston robbing 7-11s, killing police officers and hijacking cars while throwing explosives. How do you explain them being at the marathon and then again at the robbery scene? Was it an unusual coincidence? Were they bought by CIA? Was this a giant coverup to malign Muslims? Talk about complete lunacy.
Also how's this related to you? Do you take responsiblity for the actions of every living Muslim on this planet to the point that you feel offense when a Muslim gets linked to terrorism or other things that could negatively impact the image of Islam? I really don't understand this line of thinking!
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I 100% agree with you, however one thing i just wanted to point out and brief my view is:
These 2 suspects are home grown terrorist, just like the one who killed 12 innocent people in the premier of Dark Knight Rises in Colorado. My beef is just with the media potraying it as if Religion has to do something with it. No one questioned Christianity last year during the Denver shootings. I meant to say is, this is 100% homegrown, and according to current reports coming out, nothing to do with Islam, Chechniya, Russia.
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Uncle of the Marathon bombing suspects
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What reports? NO one knows the motive behind these attacks. HOW are you so sure that it has nothing to do with Chechnya or other factors? It's not an act of impulse where a lone gunman shoots random people after a mental breakdown. It takes calm head planning to plant several bombs at a marathon event.
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What reports? NO one knows the motive behind these attacks. HOW are you so sure that it has nothing to do with Chechnya or other factors? It's not an act of impulse where a lone gunman shoots random people after a mental breakdown. It takes calm head planning to plant several bombs at a marathon event.
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that is the problem with minorities.. an act by majority is seen as an individual act, and the act by a minority is seen as representative of the community.
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Something is not right....
Don't know what to believe
Don't know what to believe
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The Aunt Maret Tsarnaev lives in Etobicoke , Canada . She is absolutely outraged , wants proof from FBI that they were involved .
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Something is not right....
Don't know what to believe
The case made by the authorities and media was made weaker when they wrongly accused the Moroccan teen of it .
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Hope whatever has happened the truth comes out, Terrible state of affairs whichever way you look at it
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Typical sheep regurgitating what his masters wants him to believe. Much of what was leaked out so far has been erroneous, can you really blame people for not trusting the media and having a conservative view? All the so called evidence that’s been produced so far is highly “speculative” at best – nothing conclusive. Since when did mere presence at an event became “evidence” for the crime? The 7-11 snapshot, I can find 100s of guys fitting that frame shot that they’ve released. And the so called “testimony” of the witness is quite convenient as well. It does seem to me that they're being framed for simply being present at the marathon.
This may not be related to me “personally”, but the disgusting coverage that the media is giving this event has already brought out negative effects on the Muslim community. Hate crimes have already started. See this for example: http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/04/the_post-boston_islamophobic_hate_crimes_have_begun.html
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The 19 year old brother twitter suggest to me he's was a little religious but he seemed like a normal teen, no way did he seem like an extremist I don't see him a radical/extremist.
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Older brother had a gun and killed an officer, why would someone do that unless you don't want to be caught and guilty? And another one is on the run. Do you still want to look for some other reasoning? And if they are guilty then they are guilty, what's your stake in this?
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Was listening to character testimony from a classmate of the younger brother..ver very moving..really felt for the girl..she just couldnt understand it.he was a normal kid.not radical just normal.even went to the prom with a decent girl etc..she wanted him caught alive and was fearful he would be killed.
If he dies i can honestly say we are being had. If he is caught alive that is the best thing for everyone. First rule of assassinations kill the assasin.
I want to know why. Why has he done this.why!!!
If he dies i can honestly say we are being had. If he is caught alive that is the best thing for everyone. First rule of assassinations kill the assasin.
I want to know why. Why has he done this.why!!!
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This could be act of brothers who were upset with their lives, struggles and took their frustration on innocent people. Nothing to do with religion.
Thankfully it is not done by a brown person.
Thankfully it is not done by a brown person.
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What a way to throw away their future by these Chechen Brothers.
So this 19yo kid has carried out a terrorist attack at a high profile marathon, robbed a shop, killed a cop, shut down a city and is currently leading the police/swat etc on a 6 hour + manhunt? Right!
Here's the Aunt's reaction:
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Your comment sounds a bit racist. I would edit it if I were you.
If only the media just described them as caucasians from the beginning they would have been right... Dark skin, brown skin, light skinned white guy, black guy, middle eastern... These guys were literally from caucus region.
The youtube page/channel of the older brother if it was/is his seems a bit troubling. On the face of it, could indicate what they call 'radicalisation'
The youtube page/channel of the older brother if it was/is his seems a bit troubling. On the face of it, could indicate what they call 'radicalisation'
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And why do you think it's not believable given the history we have probably in every country? One has to be extremely naive seeing how fragile human mind can be! e.g. many suicides are done without people noticing anything. Despite people being so close to those persons, they never get even a hint that they are about to lose it.
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What's the video about irfan? I can't view it here
Boston Marathon Bomb Coverage Reveals Media Hypocrisy and Double Standards
Barely two days after the horrendous Boston Marathon bombing which has so far claimed three lives and injured over one hundred people, one of the most interesting and telling aspects of this tragedy has been how media coverage helps shape public perceptions over violence and terrorism.
Since the morning of the attacks, nearly every second of media coverage has been dedicated to the bombings, the investigation, speculations on who has been responsible, and most importantly, footage of the horror. There have been detailed accounts of victims' injuries and personal tales of heroism and hardship. Two brothers each lost a leg in the attack. Eight-year-old Martin Richards, who loved to play outside and climb trees, was the youngest victim to die.
It's easy to see why we have been so struck with grief and anger. It turns your gut sideways seeing this coverage, let alone those who personally experienced it. Americans rightfully want for those responsible to be brought to justice, named, and exposed for all to see.
Why? Because the terror was real, and the victims had names and faces. The media gave and continues to give intimate information regarding the bombings and those who have been harmed, and Americans understandably feel empathy and vulnerability at such a random, senseless act of mass murder.
But contrast this with the portrayal of the frequent tragedies, atrocities, and bombings that are committed by the U.S. government, and one can almost excuse the differences in outrage. In the last decade, the U.S. has occupied Afghanistan and Iraq while bombing Yemen, Pakistan, Libya, and Somalia, imposed blockades and sanctions that prevent the poor and elderly in foreign countries from acquiring food and medicine, and yet one can spend a great deal of time searching in vain for any faces, names, or accounts of the victims from the American press. Apparently, when cloaked in the alchemy of government power, these acts aren't terrorism or mass murder, just "foreign policy."
Why has the media covered this bombing with a fine-toothed comb, including bloody and grisly photos, yet it completely ignores the unspeakable violence when initiated by the state? There are perhaps too many answers to fit in here, but I think the one that stands out the most is that the former, private violence portrays the state in a heroic, fatherly role while the latter public violence embarrasses and harms state power.
While interview after interview describes the horror of the bombings and the glory of law enforcement and the military, these same institutions commit egregious acts of terror and violence on a daily basis far, far worse than the Boston bombings.
Just last week, eleven Pashtun children were killed in a U.S. air strike, and CNN did not show their faces, describe their childhoods, or show their grieving families. Nearly 5,000 individuals, anoverwhelming number of them civilians, have met similar fates as those children due to U.S. drone strikes in multiple countries, leaving widows, orphans, and the daily terror and fear of robots dispensing death from the sky. The Iraq war led to one million deaths and millions ofrefugees.
Violence committed by the U.S. government, whether directly or indirectly, is simply not reported on. NPR and FOX News don't show footage or conduct interviews with the victims of the tens of thousands of paramilitary raids that are conducted annually in American homes. What about thefive hundred people who were shot and killed last year in "gun-free" Chicago? Or the 16-year-old American citizen vaporized by a U.S. Hellfire missile? Or the nameless, faceless victims of the government's "war on drugs" rotting in prison for victimless crimes and the poor neighborhoods turned into warzones thanks to drug prohibition?
The reason that the victims of government violence are whitewashed or completely ignored is because reactions from the public would likely make it more difficult to implement policy. Americans are justifiably outraged over the Boston bombings, and the gruesome details provided by the media only enhanced these feelings. What if we were to see the true, ugly horror of war and state-condoned violence every night on TV — the missing limbs, the blood, the bodies, the sounds — just like we see during coverage of the Boston bombings?
But the media knows where its bread is buttered. In the last decade, and especially under the Obama administration, whistle-blowers and those attempting to expose government violence have been illegally detained, fired, and harassed. Challenging the state's ability to dispense lethal force means much less to say, a Washington Post reporter than White House access and Beltway cocktail parties.
The ultimate irony in the media's coverage, however, is that while the state self-aggrandizes and imposes security theater in the aftermath of the attacks, the incompetence of the government's ability to provide actual security is there for all to see. Despite the broad powers to torture, wage preventive, aggressive war, indefinitely detain suspects, and flood our streets with bulky and expensive military weaponry — and regarding the marathon specifically, the presence of bomb-sniffing dogs at the start and finishing lines and spotters on the roofs — they still could not prevent the attack. The backwards incentive structure of bureaucracy means that these agencies will likely get more money and power, not less.
All acts of violence and terrorism should be vehemently opposed, yet by far the biggest orchestrator of destruction is shielded from this condemnation by a subservient media. Whether the victims are innocent marathon runners, Amish entrepreneurs, or Afghan children, we should all be outraged. And when President Obama, speaking of the Boston bombings, says "Any time bombs are used to target innocent civilians it is an act of terror," he should take a long, hard look in the mirror.
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Barely two days after the horrendous Boston Marathon bombing which has so far claimed three lives and injured over one hundred people, one of the most interesting and telling aspects of this tragedy has been how media coverage helps shape public perceptions over violence and terrorism.
Since the morning of the attacks, nearly every second of media coverage has been dedicated to the bombings, the investigation, speculations on who has been responsible, and most importantly, footage of the horror. There have been detailed accounts of victims' injuries and personal tales of heroism and hardship. Two brothers each lost a leg in the attack. Eight-year-old Martin Richards, who loved to play outside and climb trees, was the youngest victim to die.
It's easy to see why we have been so struck with grief and anger. It turns your gut sideways seeing this coverage, let alone those who personally experienced it. Americans rightfully want for those responsible to be brought to justice, named, and exposed for all to see.
Why? Because the terror was real, and the victims had names and faces. The media gave and continues to give intimate information regarding the bombings and those who have been harmed, and Americans understandably feel empathy and vulnerability at such a random, senseless act of mass murder.
But contrast this with the portrayal of the frequent tragedies, atrocities, and bombings that are committed by the U.S. government, and one can almost excuse the differences in outrage. In the last decade, the U.S. has occupied Afghanistan and Iraq while bombing Yemen, Pakistan, Libya, and Somalia, imposed blockades and sanctions that prevent the poor and elderly in foreign countries from acquiring food and medicine, and yet one can spend a great deal of time searching in vain for any faces, names, or accounts of the victims from the American press. Apparently, when cloaked in the alchemy of government power, these acts aren't terrorism or mass murder, just "foreign policy."
Why has the media covered this bombing with a fine-toothed comb, including bloody and grisly photos, yet it completely ignores the unspeakable violence when initiated by the state? There are perhaps too many answers to fit in here, but I think the one that stands out the most is that the former, private violence portrays the state in a heroic, fatherly role while the latter public violence embarrasses and harms state power.
While interview after interview describes the horror of the bombings and the glory of law enforcement and the military, these same institutions commit egregious acts of terror and violence on a daily basis far, far worse than the Boston bombings.
Just last week, eleven Pashtun children were killed in a U.S. air strike, and CNN did not show their faces, describe their childhoods, or show their grieving families. Nearly 5,000 individuals, anoverwhelming number of them civilians, have met similar fates as those children due to U.S. drone strikes in multiple countries, leaving widows, orphans, and the daily terror and fear of robots dispensing death from the sky. The Iraq war led to one million deaths and millions ofrefugees.
Violence committed by the U.S. government, whether directly or indirectly, is simply not reported on. NPR and FOX News don't show footage or conduct interviews with the victims of the tens of thousands of paramilitary raids that are conducted annually in American homes. What about thefive hundred people who were shot and killed last year in "gun-free" Chicago? Or the 16-year-old American citizen vaporized by a U.S. Hellfire missile? Or the nameless, faceless victims of the government's "war on drugs" rotting in prison for victimless crimes and the poor neighborhoods turned into warzones thanks to drug prohibition?
The reason that the victims of government violence are whitewashed or completely ignored is because reactions from the public would likely make it more difficult to implement policy. Americans are justifiably outraged over the Boston bombings, and the gruesome details provided by the media only enhanced these feelings. What if we were to see the true, ugly horror of war and state-condoned violence every night on TV — the missing limbs, the blood, the bodies, the sounds — just like we see during coverage of the Boston bombings?
But the media knows where its bread is buttered. In the last decade, and especially under the Obama administration, whistle-blowers and those attempting to expose government violence have been illegally detained, fired, and harassed. Challenging the state's ability to dispense lethal force means much less to say, a Washington Post reporter than White House access and Beltway cocktail parties.
The ultimate irony in the media's coverage, however, is that while the state self-aggrandizes and imposes security theater in the aftermath of the attacks, the incompetence of the government's ability to provide actual security is there for all to see. Despite the broad powers to torture, wage preventive, aggressive war, indefinitely detain suspects, and flood our streets with bulky and expensive military weaponry — and regarding the marathon specifically, the presence of bomb-sniffing dogs at the start and finishing lines and spotters on the roofs — they still could not prevent the attack. The backwards incentive structure of bureaucracy means that these agencies will likely get more money and power, not less.
All acts of violence and terrorism should be vehemently opposed, yet by far the biggest orchestrator of destruction is shielded from this condemnation by a subservient media. Whether the victims are innocent marathon runners, Amish entrepreneurs, or Afghan children, we should all be outraged. And when President Obama, speaking of the Boston bombings, says "Any time bombs are used to target innocent civilians it is an act of terror," he should take a long, hard look in the mirror.
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Its actually kind of suicide in their mind. Their mind exploded and they could have easily done this, it can't be as far fetched seeing how fragile our mind is. Again, I can post the same post to the previous one and it would still be correct.
My parents aren't aware of lot of things I do, ie. they don't know that I have pak passion account and I spend lot of time here. I know it's very minute thing, but kids don't tell their parents that they are about to kill ppl, as same as ppl don't talk about they are about to kill themselves.
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Why do you think they were monitoring the elder brother? It could easily be potential suspect harmful personality.
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No sympathy for anyone who takes innocent lives .
No sympathy for anyone who takes innocent lives .
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Hope he caught alive
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If I was in his shoes I would rather die then let them capture me . Anyway yeah I hope he is caught alive so we can get to know why he did it etc .
If I was in his shoes I would rather die then let them capture me . Anyway yeah I hope he is caught alive so we can get to know why he did it etc .
Quite a confusing situation. An article summarising the situation so far.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22212946
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22212946
Large parts of the city of Boston remain in virtual lockdown amid a major manhunt for one of two brothers suspected of bombing the city's marathon on Monday.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, remains at large after he escaped a shoot-out in which another suspect, his brother, died.
Police said they had searched 60-70% of a locked-down area of a Boston suburb.
Three people died and more than 170 were hurt when two bombs exploded near the finish line of Monday's marathon.
On Friday afternoon, Col Timothy Alben of the Massachusetts State Police said officers in Watertown were searching "door to door, street to street" for the suspect, but there was as yet no word on his whereabouts.
"Things change, they change quickly," the officer said, adding: "We are working on several new leads that have just developed in the last few minutes."
Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick said there were "continuing developments" in the investigation, and that an order to stay indoors remained in place across the whole of Boston and surrounding suburbs.
Earlier the FBI released images of the two men they were hunting in relation to the bombing.
Police said one suspect - widely named in the US media as Tamerlan Tsarnaev - had been killed early on Friday, and they were looking for another suspect, later named as the dead man's younger brother Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
Both are said to be of Chechen origin, and are reported to have moved to the United States about 10 years ago.
The manhunt began late on Thursday when university police officer Sean Collier, 26, was killed on the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) campus.
Two men carjacked a vehicle at gunpoint with the driver still in the car. They later released the man unharmed.
Police chased the suspects, who threw bombs and exchanged gunfire with police, seriously wounding one officer.
In the Boston suburb of Watertown, officers and the men were involved in a gun battle lasting 10 minutes, according to witnesses.
The authorities in Massachusetts Bay have suspended the transport system and no vehicles are being allowed in or out of the Watertown area.
The warning to stay indoors was later extended to the whole of Boston, in what correspondents said was an unprecedented move.
Meanwhile, President Barack Obama was briefed on developments in the manhunt and investigation for about an hour in the White House Situation Room.
US Secretary of State John Kerry, also at the briefing on video link, said the authorities were "part of the way there" in bringing the Boston terror suspects to justice, AP reported.
Dr Richard Wolfe, of the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, said an individual was brought in with multiple blast and gunshot wounds to his upper body.
He was in cardiac arrest when he arrived at hospital and despite attempts to resuscitate him, he was pronounced dead at 01:35 (05:35 GMT), Dr Wolfe said.
The authorities were investigating whether the dead man had a home-made bomb strapped to his body when he was killed, reports said.
Boston police Commissioner Ed Davis said he believed the man being hunted in the Watertown area was a "terrorist".
"We believe this to be a man who came here to kill people," he said.
A grey Honda CRV vehicle, which reports said had been sought in connection with the suspects, was found on Friday morning in the Boston area, Connecticut police said.
The father of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said his son was a second-year medical student in the US and was hoping to be a brain surgeon.
But Anzor Tsarnaev told the BBC he believed the secret services had framed his sons.
"It was a terrorist attack carefully organised by secret services - I don't know which ones. My son used to go to a mosque, so they once paid us a visit to ask why he is doing that.
"Yes, there was such an episode. So they put all the blame on him and shot him. That's it."
Ruslan Tsarni, an uncle of the suspects who lives in Maryland, said he was "ashamed" of their alleged involvement in the bombings.
He urged Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to "turn himself in".
"Yes of course we're ashamed, they're the children of my brother," he said.
Asked what the bombers' motives may have been, he replied: "Being losers, hating everyone around them."
Monday's attack on the Boston Marathon killed Martin Richard, aged eight, Krystle Campbell, 29, and Lu Lingzi, 23, a postgraduate student from China.
Best scenario is if they can catch him alive and get him to explain why, and that reason just turns out to be some social problem.
If it turns out to be related to religion, then it throws up more potential problems for minorities to start asking in the wstern nations, and then it also give more ammunition to those who have an agenda at the moment anyway.
so far, it seems from youtube page if authentic and from mothers statement about her eldest son, he may have been 'radicalised'. I think the words of the uncle were very good given the circumstances, in that he distanced and freed the ethnicity and the religion from being significant. Or at least made it clear to the press that it should not be used against all muslims or all chechens. Which was a good point he made while also showing great sympathy towards the real victims here.
If it turns out to be related to religion, then it throws up more potential problems for minorities to start asking in the wstern nations, and then it also give more ammunition to those who have an agenda at the moment anyway.
so far, it seems from youtube page if authentic and from mothers statement about her eldest son, he may have been 'radicalised'. I think the words of the uncle were very good given the circumstances, in that he distanced and freed the ethnicity and the religion from being significant. Or at least made it clear to the press that it should not be used against all muslims or all chechens. Which was a good point he made while also showing great sympathy towards the real victims here.
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In a way it's scary but that's what younger kids in America are all about now...smoking weed. I'm all for the occasional toke here and there and God knows I've ingested so many illicit substances in my younger dumber days but so many kids here these days see smoking weed daily, morning noon and evening, as a regular, normal thing.
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Reports of a plane crash into a building in Williamsburg in Virginia in U.S. - Sky News.
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Didn't know he had a 3 year old daughter feel really bad for her and the family .
Didn't know he had a 3 year old daughter feel really bad for her and the family .
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Looks like an accident only the pilot killed .
Looks like an accident only the pilot killed .
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Just watched the press conference...looks like he slipped the perimeter last night. I had heard that there were a lot of concerns on the police band last night about the perimeter.
Travel ban is now lifted in Boston. Nobody knows where this guy is right now.
Travel ban is now lifted in Boston. Nobody knows where this guy is right now.
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Me too. I want to know why. I was worried he would be shot or that he would commit suicide by cop. What could cause someone to do this. Because it's always the same thing in mass shootings, mass murders...everyone says "he was such a good quiet kid. Very ordinary. No way he could've done this". What is it about these people that can cause them to snap in this way? Is it dissociative personality disorder? Is it drugs? Too much bullying? Radicalisation? What's the common thread running through all these events?
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There is a graphic photo of the older guy's body in a morgue on debbie schuchell's twitter page.
There is a graphic photo of the older guy's body in a morgue on debbie schuchell's twitter page.
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CNN is already taking the line "how could you let him get away!". The local news stations are a lot more confident he will be apprehended soon.
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This Debbie Schlussel sounds like a total nutcase. And that could easily have been photoshopped. Then again it could be real. Interpret at your own risk like any unverified thing on the internet.
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Once again, do not post any twitter links or facebook links to the bombers or anything that glorifies these people.
Once again, do not post any twitter links or facebook links to the bombers or anything that glorifies these people.
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She is full of hate. Im not sure about the photo. Looks legit but hard to identify as the face is blood-stained.
She is full of hate. Im not sure about the photo. Looks legit but hard to identify as the face is blood-stained.
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Very fishy. There is more to this saga.
Very fishy. There is more to this saga.
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Boston Marathon Bomb Coverage Reveals Media Hypocrisy and Double Standards
Media is there for the ratings and most of the mainstream media is pretty far right extreme anyway, it's the way it is
Media is there for the ratings and most of the mainstream media is pretty far right extreme anyway, it's the way it is
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Report of gunshots heard in Watertown just a few minutes ago. Police and tactical units converging on the scene right now, being reported by Channel 7 here in Boston.
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Suspect is apparently pinned down in Watertown right now.
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yes yes yes! they chose the man's religion and nationality and ideology for him!
everything is a conspiracy.
we are all bloody angels.
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I find this victim mentality disgusting.
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They shut down all the online feeds of the police scanners as they were apparently giving away police tactical information.
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People sound surprised that this is the case. Of course there will be biased media. The media is a commercial enterprise, they make money from reporting news people want to hear or can relate to more. Or, like News Limited, their "slant" is based on their owner/controller's interests. Everyone who lives in Western countries can relate to a bombing that (at the risk of trivialising it) only killed 3 people and injured a couple hundred. If we equate the worseness of bombings to the # of people who died then then there a hundreds of bombings that happen around the world every day that are worse than what happened in Boston. Why does the mainstream news media not report these deaths in Afghanistan or elsewhere every day? It's probably because they don't resonate with their audience as much as what happened in Boston. Is it fair? No. But when has life ever been about fairness?
But no matter where you go you will find media biased to a certain slant depending on what is in their best interest. On one hand you have commercial media like CNN, FOX, SKY etc...on the other hand you have state sponsored media like the Chinese news agencies, Pravda back during the days of the Soviet Union, etc. Just different sides of the same coin. It happens even here, with this message board. We generally post, and post in, threads that interest us. Why does nobody post about cricket in Bangladesh, other than our Bangladeshi members? Why does nobody post about cricket in New Zealand, other than Marshland or our other Kiwi posters? Because people just aren't that interested.
All we can hope is that they don't outright lie. That's where checks and balances come in. If a news source like the New York Post lies like they have been the last few days, they are found out. If the North Korean news agency is lying, how will the North Korean people know?
Checks and balances and accountability. That's what is important.
But no matter where you go you will find media biased to a certain slant depending on what is in their best interest. On one hand you have commercial media like CNN, FOX, SKY etc...on the other hand you have state sponsored media like the Chinese news agencies, Pravda back during the days of the Soviet Union, etc. Just different sides of the same coin. It happens even here, with this message board. We generally post, and post in, threads that interest us. Why does nobody post about cricket in Bangladesh, other than our Bangladeshi members? Why does nobody post about cricket in New Zealand, other than Marshland or our other Kiwi posters? Because people just aren't that interested.
All we can hope is that they don't outright lie. That's where checks and balances come in. If a news source like the New York Post lies like they have been the last few days, they are found out. If the North Korean news agency is lying, how will the North Korean people know?
Checks and balances and accountability. That's what is important.
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At least 21 gunshots heard in Watertown. The idiot tried to shoot his way out of a boat he was hiding in his backyard. SWAT team approaching a house with police and armed vehicles in support on the scene. Snipers on rooftops. Significant police presence. Police appear relaxed though so it seems suspect has been apprehended. Dramatic televised scenes.
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Sounds like they have him cornered and are waiting for the swat teams to get set up in the area.
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He's trapped in a boat. Surrounded in every direction. I think he will try to go down shooting.
FBI believed to have cornered Boston bomb suspect on boat parked on trailer at back of Watertown residential backyard. Eyewitness accounts say they have heard gunshots and explosions previously. This police operation has culminated in what essentially is a standoff.
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The suspect on the boat does not appear to be moving. There is considerable fear of explosive devices so police are being careful in approaching.
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If hes in there without a hostage. They will be slow and methodical.
Apparently they are bringing in a Bearcat. Im assuming they don't mean one of these:
Apparently they are bringing in a Bearcat. Im assuming they don't mean one of these:
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I think they were SWAT flashbang grenades.
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That press conference where they said the police were "withdrawing tactical units" may have been done because they knew where he was, or to lull him into false sense of security.
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Possibly going to gas him out. They will go every length to keep him alive here.
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Latest from 7 News:
- homeowner came home after the lockdown was lifted, found the shrinkwrap on his boat had a hole in it with blood around the area
- he called police who responded
- when police arrived several shots fired at police who fired back
- flashbang grenades used by tactical units who arrived
- fears that the suspect may be wearing a suicide vest with explosives like his brother was
- suspect believed to have started a small fire in the boat, which has 40 gallons of gasoline
Standoff.
- homeowner came home after the lockdown was lifted, found the shrinkwrap on his boat had a hole in it with blood around the area
- he called police who responded
- when police arrived several shots fired at police who fired back
- flashbang grenades used by tactical units who arrived
- fears that the suspect may be wearing a suicide vest with explosives like his brother was
- suspect believed to have started a small fire in the boat, which has 40 gallons of gasoline
Standoff.
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It's possible he is already dead and they are worried about the fire in the boat with the gasoline. But if so it wouldn't explain why they are using flash grenades still.
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Sounds like they have been talking to the suspect. Trying to get him to come out.
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This is my supposition: I have a feeling it's more of a mass murder thrill killing than a political attack (in the sense that al-Qaeda or IRA or Sendero Luminoso attacks are political attacks). It may be politically motivated in the sense of frustration these 2 felt about something, but it seems to have more of a feel of a mass shooting using bombs than a political statement.
This of course is just conjecture...just a gut feeling I have. I don't have any facts to back this feeling up as of yet.
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What is really sad is how so many people are using this event to push their political views. Some of the commentary on Twitter is sickening.
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Very well said as always MiG. Let's wait for the facts before pushing our personal political viewpoints so we don't look like idiots if the facts don't support our points of view.
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I know it's hard for them to just go and get him because he may blow himself up like his brother allegedly did, thus causing them to lose him and maybe a few other police officers in the process, and there is apparently 40 gallons of gasoline in the boat very close to where this suspect is. But it looks like he is apparently bleeding heavily. I hope he doesn't die, he NEEDS to explain why he did what he is being accused of doing.
Looks like they are doing their best to take him alive, using flashbangs and whatnot.
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