Boxing Thread

[shaykh]

I wouldn't have Brook at no.1 it's ridiculous, he's no.1 on the Rings rankings to I'd have Joshua in the top 10, he's already the best HW in Britain for me imo. I'd have De Gale a little higher, thought that win over Direll was fantastic; superb fight btw did you watch it? I was also in awe of the way Direll came back into the fight after being knocked down like that; he's going to be a world champion one day.

Froch hasn't officially retired yet so he's still no.1 for me, he may face GGG at wembley.

There's also another interesting omission, come on we have to put Kevin Mitchell in there!

Lol i know you disagree with Brook and we have debated him to death so i wont reignite that debate...

Joshua looks great but his CV is full of bums...he has to beat a credible fighter before he enters the top 10...no doubt hes got that ability but he has no right to be above Fury or anyone else on that list imo...

Mitchell would be if not for that loss to Linares...was a great fight...hope they rematch...but that loss means he shouldnt be on that list...

On the Degale fight...yeh Dirrell shocked me...Ive always thought he had skills but no heart...he proved hes got heart...very good win though for DeGale...not on Frochs level but hes not half bad...would like to see him and Groves go at it again...

 

[shaykh]

btw random question Shaz...whats with the Ty $ Sign avatar?

 

[Red Devil]

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[shaz619]

Lol i know you disagree with Brook and we have debated him to death so i wont reignite that debate...

Joshua looks great but his CV is full of bums...he has to beat a credible fighter before he enters the top 10...no doubt hes got that ability but he has no right to be above Fury or anyone else on that list imo...

Mitchell would be if not for that loss to Linares...was a great fight...hope they rematch...but that loss means he shouldnt be on that list...

On the Degale fight...yeh Dirrell shocked me...Ive always thought he had skills but no heart...he proved hes got heart...very good win though for DeGale...not on Frochs level but hes not half bad...would like to see him and Groves go at it again...

Do you agree with his placement at no.1? That's just silly...

Here's my top 10 welters:

1.Manny
2 Bradley
3.Maidana
4.JMM (I know he's inactive but still think he should be included)
5.Brook
6.Khan
7.Thurman
8.Porter
9.Alexander
10.Gurrero

I could easily swap the positions between Khan and Brook; both their wins over Alexander and Porter were very good against a world class opponent. Alexander has a great win over maidana at welter but Porter has beaten Alexander and Knocked out Malignagi so had to put Brook higher then Khan based on that. Having said that Brook deserves to be demoted to no.10 after facing no no dan and gavin what a joke; after fighting tomato cans all his life he should grow a pair now at least, i don't really want to see him face Brandon Rios

When you're starting out you have to face bums up until a certain point before you're ready to make the big jump to the commanwealth/British level; having said that you'd think the kevin fight had come too early, if there was another fighter starting out with the same number of fights as joshua doubt his promoter would have matched them up with someone like Kevin who had the ability to really frustrate you when you're supposed to look good. He's still no.1 for me though because I just can't see him being beaten by any HW in Britain but definitely needs some big wins but given his youth and inexperience his promoter has the luxury of taking it a bit easy but when Joshua is boxing the way he is maybe they should step on the gas pedal.

He was ahead on the scorecards until cuts lost him the fight....

Groves needs to win a world title first then face Degale in a big unification fight; I disagree people don't give chunky enough credit, he has sought of been that quality fighter which is not on your radar but had he fought Froch it would have been an entertaining/close fight.

 

[shaz619]

Can't agree with you on that...Froch has fought top fighters since Pascal...

This CV is fantastic...
Pascal
Taylor
Dirrell
Kessler *2
Abraham
Johnson
Ward
Bute
Mack
Groves *2

Two losses...to Ward and Kessler...the Kessler one he avenged...and two arguable defeats...Groves...Carl was getting back in the fight and ynfortunately the ref ruined that fight...and the Dirrell fight...in short though this CV is fantastic...other than Mack all of those are top wins against top fighters...

Khan has two top wins...Maidana who he scraped past and then Kotelnik...
Garcia is no Ward im afriad...Garcia has been shown to be a limited fighter...Ward is probably the best fighter in the world other than Mayweather so the losses aren't comparable...
Peterson also isn't on the level of any of Froch's opponents imo...maybe you can make an argument hes the Abraham equivalent...and we saw how Froch beat him...

None of Khan's other opponents are close to being as good as Froch's wins...imo Calzaghe is the better fighter but Froch has the superior resume...its no disrespect to Khan that his isn't remotely close...Froch is a throwback fighter who has fought top fighters for the last 6 years...

The fact is both cleaned up their respect divisions before losing to the ring magazine champion everything else is subjective. I have Froch slightly ahead because of his win/loss record; both fighters didn't avoid anyone either.

If you want to look at who has the most quality wins over world class opposition,

For Froch:

Kessler (Past his best but still a world class opponent)
Groves
Taylor
Direll
Bute

Personally don't really rate Abraham and feel the shine is taken of the win over Pascal when his best performances have come at LHW but won't really argue if you see him as one of the guys that needs to be included as far as froch's best wins are concerned over quality opposition. The rest of the guys are average tbh

For Khan:

Malignagi
Maidana
Kotelnik (Why did he retire???? disheartened over alexander loss? )
Zab Judah (Past his best but had won around 4 fights on the trott before facing Khan, won the world title and had a win over Matthyse)
Alexander

So it's pretty tight imo but Froch is ahead of Khan no doubt. I don't know it's a tough one for me, Froch has had a great career but Calzaghe does have some fine wins over a Prime Kessler, Chris Eubank, Jeff Lacy, Sakio Bika and Bernard Hopkins; the win over Hopkins is better then all of Froch's wins combined when you look at what Bernard has gone on to achieve. Froch/Hopkins would have been interesting but stylistically it's not the ideal fight for Froch so from his perspective it's best not to move up all together. Anyhow who would you say Calzaghe legitimately avoided during his career?

Malignagi is pencilled to face Garcia in August, really hope Paulie wins big fan of the guy but don't know if he has any gas left; what do you think? on Paper it should be the perfect fight for Paulie given his superior boxing skills but he has just been knocked out and Danny hits you with heavy hands; age is not on paulie's side either and perhaps he has got to that stage where you start to decline as a fighter

 

[shaz619]

btw random question Shaz...whats with the Ty $ Sign avatar?

lmao everyone asks me that and only you have clocked on who the guy is So i'll tell you the story behind it. I was just on youtube and came across a song called drop that kitty down low by $ sign, tinashe and xcx it was very catchy. Then did a search to see who this new rapper was and put him as my avatar; also I quite like the balaclava on the forehead/dreadlocks look although I've not emulated that style it's also a shout out to black people on the forum, am sought of representing them providing there are any; my old man is from jamaica so I guess half of me originates from the Caribbean but I've not been so exposed to their culture on a personal level and more influenced by my mothers pakistani extended family.

Lol you listen to $ sign? hahaha you know hip hop in this era is a bit of a guilty pleasure, it's so bad it's good I still listen to the old school stuff by shakur, wallace, NWA etc it's hilarious listening to the diss stuff but i really value the tracks which emphasise social class, poverty, the realities of struggles in the inner city, oppression etc No one speaks of these issues in their work anymore

 

[shaykh]

Do you agree with his placement at no.1? That's just silly...

Here's my top 10 welters:

1.Manny
2 Bradley
3.Maidana
4.JMM (I know he's inactive but still think he should be included)
5.Brook
6.Khan
7.Thurman
8.Porter
9.Alexander
10.Gurrero

I could easily swap the positions between Khan and Brook; both their wins over Alexander and Porter were very good against a world class opponent. Alexander has a great win over maidana at welter but Porter has beaten Alexander and Knocked out Malignagi so had to put Brook higher then Khan based on that. Having said that Brook deserves to be demoted to no.10 after facing no no dan and gavin what a joke; after fighting tomato cans all his life he should grow a pair now at least, i don't really want to see him face Brandon Rios

When you're starting out you have to face bums up until a certain point before you're ready to make the big jump to the commanwealth/British level; having said that you'd think the kevin fight had come too early, if there was another fighter starting out with the same number of fights as joshua doubt his promoter would have matched them up with someone like Kevin who had the ability to really frustrate you when you're supposed to look good. He's still no.1 for me though because I just can't see him being beaten by any HW in Britain but definitely needs some big wins but given his youth and inexperience his promoter has the luxury of taking it a bit easy but when Joshua is boxing the way he is maybe they should step on the gas pedal.

He was ahead on the scorecards until cuts lost him the fight....

Groves needs to win a world title first then face Degale in a big unification fight; I disagree people don't give chunky enough credit, he has sought of been that quality fighter which is not on your radar but had he fought Froch it would have been an entertaining/close fight.

Jo Jo Dan is a mandatory...and hes on that Aydin/Karass level...ie not a bum but someone a decent fighter should beat...and as stated the Gavin fight is Brook staying active post injury...i dont think anyone was arguing that it was a testing fight...this was on them McCloskey/Molina levels...

In short though that Porter win is better than beating Alexander or Algieri...those two fights however are better than Brooks other wins at welterweight minus Porter...

Thing I don't like about the way the Johnson fight is being referred to is Joshua knocking out a guy that Vitali couldnt stop...Vitali fought the guy when he was in his prime and Joshua fought him when he was looking for a payday...Johnson looked terrible...this isnt Joshua's fault of course but the stoppage is getting hyped up a bit too much imo...

I think a legitimate step up now would be someone like Chisora...

I think with that round and the rounds that were following Mitchell would have lost the fight...Linares was taking over...but it was a great fight and the rematch could very well end the other way...

I think Groves has come on more than expected...and chunky stalled...remember their fight...Groves winning was a surprise to most...I remember expecting Degale to achieve a stoppage...after Groves DeGale pretty much fought nobodies...so hes been off the radar for a reason...

 

[shaykh]

lmao everyone asks me that and only you have clocked on who the guy is So i'll tell you the story behind it. I was just on youtube and came across a song called drop that kitty down low by $ sign, tinashe and xcx it was very catchy. Then did a search to see who this new rapper was and put him as my avatar; also I quite like the balaclava on the forehead/dreadlocks look although I've not emulated that style it's also a shout out to black people on the forum, am sought of representing them providing there are any; my old man is from jamaica so I guess half of me originates from the Caribbean but I've not been so exposed to their culture on a personal level and more influenced by my mothers pakistani extended family.

Lol you listen to $ sign? hahaha you know hip hop in this era is a bit of a guilty pleasure, it's so bad it's good I still listen to the old school stuff by shakur, wallace, NWA etc it's hilarious listening to the diss stuff but i really value the tracks which emphasise social class, poverty, the realities of struggles in the inner city, oppression etc No one speaks of these issues in their work anymore

Haha I like that track too...his mixtapes are worth checking out...all of them on Datpiff...and yeah these days all about beats, chicks and drugs...you heard ASAP's new album btw?...

Your old man is from Jamaica?...so your mixed race like Kell? ...

 

[shaz619]

Jo Jo Dan is a mandatory...and hes on that Aydin/Karass level...ie not a bum but someone a decent fighter should beat...and as stated the Gavin fight is Brook staying active post injury...i dont think anyone was arguing that it was a testing fight...this was on them McCloskey/Molina levels...

In short though that Porter win is better than beating Alexander or Algieri...those two fights however are better than Brooks other wins at welterweight minus Porter...

Thing I don't like about the way the Johnson fight is being referred to is Joshua knocking out a guy that Vitali couldnt stop...Vitali fought the guy when he was in his prime and Joshua fought him when he was looking for a payday...Johnson looked terrible...this isnt Joshua's fault of course but the stoppage is getting hyped up a bit too much imo...

I think a legitimate step up now would be someone like Chisora...

I think with that round and the rounds that were following Mitchell would have lost the fight...Linares was taking over...but it was a great fight and the rematch could very well end the other way...

I think Groves has come on more than expected...and chunky stalled...remember their fight...Groves winning was a surprise to most...I remember expecting Degale to achieve a stoppage...after Groves DeGale pretty much fought nobodies...so hes been off the radar for a reason...

Khan fought Molina after being knocked out and McCloskey they took an easy fight after having fought paulie and maidana. After winning a world title it's just unacceptable for him to face those guys shaykh, Khan fought paulie in his second fight after winning a world title and froch fought Taylor and Direll.

The thing is though Johnson had not been stopped in his career before so have to give credit where it's due, kevin had criticised joshua saying he has looked good because he has fought bums his grandma would KO butt Kevin felt the power to lol They're not going to put him in there with someone like chisora so soon, I get the feeling joshua is going to be protected like Kell Brook enroute to a world title win.

I actually expected Groves to put in a good performance; followed him through the amateurs and didn't like how he was being written of; the same happened against Froch and he made critics eat their words.

 

[shaz619]

Haha I like that track too...his mixtapes are worth checking out...all of them on Datpiff...and yeah these days all about beats, chicks and drugs...you heard ASAP's new album btw?...

Your old man is from Jamaica?...so your mixed race like Kell? ...

I'll have to check them out, most likely they are better then what they've turned him into now once you go mainstream . Nope not yet but it did well on the Billboard 200 didn't it? about time a decent hip hop artist is being recognised for the quality of his work. Yeah lol but that won't make me an automatic fan of his! tbh he's a good fighter if you've read my posts since you been away from the thread i give his skill more credit then most and I've also said he'd be the favourite going into a fight against Khan; my main criticism of his career has been his choice of opponent

 

[ShahKhan007]

I'll have to check them out, most likely they are better then what they've turned him into now once you go mainstream . Nope not yet but it did well on the Billboard 200 didn't it? about time a decent hip hop artist is being recognised for the quality of his work. Yeah lol but that won't make me an automatic fan of his! tbh he's a good fighter if you've read my posts since you been away from the thread i give his skill more credit then most and I've also said he'd be the favourite going into a fight against Khan; my main criticism of his career has been his choice of opponent

Once again you are spewing crab from your backside. Make no mistake about it Khan is the superior boxer and the favorite agaiint Brook. Khan speed wil be too much for Brook and Khan will be victorious if the ever fight. Brook won't troube Khan.

 

[ShahKhan007]

Do you agree with his placement at no.1? That's just silly...

Here's my top 10 welters:

1.Manny
2 Bradley
3.Maidana
4.JMM (I know he's inactive but still think he should be included)
5.Brook
6.Khan
7.Thurman
8.Porter
9.Alexander
10.Gurrero

I could easily swap the positions between Khan and Brook; both their wins over Alexander and Porter were very good against a world class opponent. Alexander has a great win over maidana at welter but Porter has beaten Alexander and Knocked out Malignagi so had to put Brook higher then Khan based on that. Having said that Brook deserves to be demoted to no.10 after facing no no dan and gavin what a joke; after fighting tomato cans all his life he should grow a pair now at least, i don't really want to see him face Brandon Rios

When you're starting out you have to face bums up until a certain point before you're ready to make the big jump to the commanwealth/British level; having said that you'd think the kevin fight had come too early, if there was another fighter starting out with the same number of fights as joshua doubt his promoter would have matched them up with someone like Kevin who had the ability to really frustrate you when you're supposed to look good. He's still no.1 for me though because I just can't see him being beaten by any HW in Britain but definitely needs some big wins but given his youth and inexperience his promoter has the luxury of taking it a bit easy but when Joshua is boxing the way he is maybe they should step on the gas pedal.

He was ahead on the scorecards until cuts lost him the fight....

Groves needs to win a world title first then face Degale in a big unification fight; I disagree people don't give chunky enough credit, he has sought of been that quality fighter which is not on your radar but had he fought Froch it would have been an entertaining/close fight.

An inactive, injured, probably heading towards heading towards retirement JMM and a overweight fighter who is enjoying the fruits of his two losses against MoneyMay for more than a year are placed higher than active fighters. This shows you are really out of touch. JMM will probably never fight again and Maidana is just not motivated enough to make a major splash in the division if he comes back.

 

[shaykh]

The fact is both cleaned up their respect divisions before losing to the ring magazine champion everything else is subjective. I have Froch slightly ahead because of his win/loss record; both fighters didn't avoid anyone either.

If you want to look at who has the most quality wins over world class opposition,

For Froch:

Kessler (Past his best but still a world class opponent)
Groves
Taylor
Direll
Bute

Personally don't really rate Abraham and feel the shine is taken of the win over Pascal when his best performances have come at LHW but won't really argue if you see him as one of the guys that needs to be included as far as froch's best wins are concerned over quality opposition. The rest of the guys are average tbh

For Khan:

Malignagi
Maidana
Kotelnik (Why did he retire???? disheartened over alexander loss? )
Zab Judah (Past his best but had won around 4 fights on the trott before facing Khan, won the world title and had a win over Matthyse)
Alexander

So it's pretty tight imo but Froch is ahead of Khan no doubt. I don't know it's a tough one for me, Froch has had a great career but Calzaghe does have some fine wins over a Prime Kessler, Chris Eubank, Jeff Lacy, Sakio Bika and Bernard Hopkins; the win over Hopkins is better then all of Froch's wins combined when you look at what Bernard has gone on to achieve. Froch/Hopkins would have been interesting but stylistically it's not the ideal fight for Froch so from his perspective it's best not to move up all together. Anyhow who would you say Calzaghe legitimately avoided during his career?

Malignagi is pencilled to face Garcia in August, really hope Paulie wins big fan of the guy but don't know if he has any gas left; what do you think? on Paper it should be the perfect fight for Paulie given his superior boxing skills but he has just been knocked out and Danny hits you with heavy hands; age is not on paulie's side either and perhaps he has got to that stage where you start to decline as a fighter

I missed this post...

Do did Calzaghe avoid an interesting question...ones im adamant about are Jones Jr and Pavlik...he did not duck them...Jones Jr was already at light heavy before Calzaghe had even fought Eubank...as I said with Naz you cant duck someone a division above you...

Pavlik called out Joe when Joe was 37...and Pavlik wanted Joe to come down in weight...to suggest that is a duck is ludicrous...

Bhop II is a stretch...and I think everyone ducked Dawson including BHop although one could argue that Jones was a money fight and he chose the easier more lucrative fight...which i suppose is fair...he was also post prime...

Theres Froch and Johnson...Johnson he was injured for...and Froch was at an early stage of his career...Calzaghe was on the out and Froch was coming up...

I think Calzaghe gets cussed a lot for people he 'ducked' but for me most of it is unwarranted...at best you can argue he chose bigger money options over tougher fighters but isnt risk reward how boxing works?...

I don't rate his Lacy win but his wins over Kessler and BHop are better than anything Carl has ever done...but there is so much dross on Joe's CV...if you think Kell fought cans then check Joe's CV and this is whilst he held a belt...

Froch isnt the better fighter but he has fought a lot of world class competition in comparison to Joe but unlike Joe he has fallen short at the biggest hurdles...

I don't think most on Khans list is comparable...you dont rate Abraham but he gave Dirrell plenty of trouble...id say Maidana and Kotelnik and thats about it...

Zab got a gift imo against Mathysse and has always been an overrated fighter...Kotelnik i think did quit after being being robbed...i remember that fight...i scored it 118-109...shocking robbery...hes actually back though after a four year hiatus...

 

[shaykh]

An inactive, injured, probably heading towards heading towards retirement JMM and a overweight fighter who is enjoying the fruits of his two losses against MoneyMay for more than a year are placed higher than active fighters. This shows you are really out of touch. JMM will probably never fight again and Maidana is just not motivated enough to make a major splash in the division if he comes back.

I actually agree with this...Maidana has ballooned up in weight and one wonders when we will see him fight again...two massive paydays do seem to have effected his hunger...but hes planning to be back at the end of the year and id move him up or down based on that...

Marquez has been inactive for over a year...so granted he shouldnt be there at all...

I suppose my top 10 would be:

1 Floyd
2 Pac
3 Bradley (i still dont think he gets his dues)
4 Kell
5 Thurman
6 Khan
7 Maidana
8 Porter
9 Chaves
10 Sadam

 

[shaykh]

Once again you are spewing crab from your backside. Make no mistake about it Khan is the superior boxer and the favorite agaiint Brook. Khan speed wil be too much for Brook and Khan will be victorious if the ever fight. Brook won't troube Khan.

Lol I could not disagree with this assessment more...

 

[shaykh]

I'll have to check them out, most likely they are better then what they've turned him into now once you go mainstream . Nope not yet but it did well on the Billboard 200 didn't it? about time a decent hip hop artist is being recognised for the quality of his work. Yeah lol but that won't make me an automatic fan of his! tbh he's a good fighter if you've read my posts since you been away from the thread i give his skill more credit then most and I've also said he'd be the favourite going into a fight against Khan; my main criticism of his career has been his choice of opponent

Well its not entirely hip hop either...i mean check the LSD single...

For the record i do think Kell was a protected fighter but i dont necessarily say this is indicative of his abilities...i think outside of May and Pac hes the best in the division...but of course he has to prove that...I think Khan/Brook/Thurman should be fighting each other...and thats all ive advocated...

Of course if one of them lands Floyd then thats the jackpot but if they dont then they should be fighting each other...

 

[ShahKhan007]

Lol I could not disagree with this assessment more...

There is very high chance he will probably get knocked out but if he sticks to boxing and can somehow avoid getting hit in the chin (lol a big if) I see Khan winning.

 

[shaykh]

There is very high chance he will probably get knocked out but if he sticks to boxing and can somehow avoid getting hit in the chin (lol a big if) I see Khan winning.

Khan has thus far fought fighters tailor made for him...fighters who cant pressure him and have no pop...Algieri landed plenty...Khans defence is very overrated...

Kell will close distance and he will land his shots...he is accurate and he has pop...I see this fight going much like Khans others losses...he looks outstanding for a couple of rounds...and troubles his opponents with his fantastic speed but then his opponents make adjustments, adapt to the speed and start landing more...Kell is not a good stylistic matchup for Khan at all...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Khan has thus far fought fighters tailor made for him...fighters who cant pressure him and have no pop...Algieri landed plenty...Khans defence is very overrated...

Kell will close distance and he will land his shots...he is accurate and he has pop...I see this fight going much like Khans others losses...he looks outstanding for a couple of rounds...and troubles his opponents with his fantastic speed but then his opponents make adjustments, adapt to the speed and start landing more...Kell is not a good stylistic matchup for Khan at all...

I don't understand this confidence in Brook. He fought another bum in his last fight. lol

Brook will be lucky to win two rounds against Khan. Algieri put plenty of pressure on Khan, cutting him off and landing some good shots through out the fight but still lost by a decent margin. Khan will only struggle against a bigger opponent, Brook is not that and doesn't even have the boxing skills to land more punches.

 

[shaykh]

I don't understand this confidence in Brook. He fought another bum in his last fight. lol

Brook will be lucky to win two rounds against Khan. Algieri put plenty of pressure on Khan, cutting him off and landing some good shots through out the fight but still lost by a decent margin. Khan will only struggle against a bigger opponent, Brook is not that and doesn't even have the boxing skills to land more punches.

Lol you do know that Algieri fought in a style that is not suited to him and still made the fight competitive...

I also find it amusing that you're speaking about 'big' opponents when Algieri is a light welterweight...and Khan sturggled plenty against Garcia and Peterson who are not welterweights either...

Brook has more pop than both...and why the confidence in Brook...I guess i could ask you the same question?...why confidence in Khan who beats Porters leftovers in Alexander...a blown up light welterweight who he was supposed to look fantastic against and two losses to average fighters...Garcia got all his hype for beating Khan but looked average against Judah...did get a fantastic win against Matthysse but has lost his last two fights against Herrera and Peterson...

Stating that Brook is better than Khan neednt mean I think Brook is a world beater...he is a stylistic nightmare for Khan imo...Khans power wont faze him...he cuts off the ring well...hes an accurate puncher and he has power...

Khan looks good against counterpunchers who cant apply pressure or come forward and have no pop in their punches hence the selections of Alexander and Algieri...

 

[shaz619]

An inactive, injured, probably heading towards heading towards retirement JMM and a overweight fighter who is enjoying the fruits of his two losses against MoneyMay for more than a year are placed higher than active fighters. This shows you are really out of touch. JMM will probably never fight again and Maidana is just not motivated enough to make a major splash in the division if he comes back.

The only thing you're in touch with his knowing the ins and outs of how to get Floyd in bed, are you that deranged or have maidana and JMM retired thicko? as it stands their positioning is justified until they leave the sport or perform terribly in their next fight because they'd take any of the fighters ranked below them even at 50% or at least look competetive

 

[shaz619]

Once again you are spewing crab from your backside. Make no mistake about it Khan is the superior boxer and the favorite agaiint Brook. Khan speed wil be too much for Brook and Khan will be victorious if the ever fight. Brook won't troube Khan.

Your existence is a piece of crap and more poo comes out of your mouth then I have ever done in my entire lifetime, what garbage; please stop posting in this thread

 

[shaz619]

Lol you do know that Algieri fought in a style that is not suited to him and still made the fight competitive...

I also find it amusing that you're speaking about 'big' opponents when Algieri is a light welterweight...and Khan sturggled plenty against Garcia and Peterson who are not welterweights either...

Brook has more pop than both...and why the confidence in Brook...I guess i could ask you the same question?...why confidence in Khan who beats Porters leftovers in Alexander...a blown up light welterweight who he was supposed to look fantastic against and two losses to average fighters...Garcia got all his hype for beating Khan but looked average against Judah...did get a fantastic win against Matthysse but has lost his last two fights against Herrera and Peterson...

Stating that Brook is better than Khan neednt mean I think Brook is a world beater...he is a stylistic nightmare for Khan imo...Khans power wont faze him...he cuts off the ring well...hes an accurate puncher and he has power...

Khan looks good against counterpunchers who cant apply pressure or come forward and have no pop in their punches hence the selections of Alexander and Algieri...

May not agree with all of the post but definitely the bits in bold; Brook for these reasons would be a strong favourite imo however since Khan had a bad day he can work on his weaknesses in the Algerie fight with his trainer and try to devise a strategy which would aid Khan against pressure fighters so you'd think he'd be more prepared. The only pressure fighter he did well against was maidana and his performance in that fight was awful; it made for great viewing but he left himself open and was trading in the middle at times with his chin hanging out; Alex Ariza was key in his victory in that fight; since their relation ended he's not had a great record, was wrong to fire him but that's what happens when you let family that are out of their depth handle your affairs

 

[shaykh]

The only thing you're in touch with his knowing the ins and outs of how to get Floyd in bed, are you that deranged or have maidana and JMM retired thicko? as it stands their positioning is justified until they leave the sport or perform terribly in their next fight because they'd take any of the fighters ranked below them even at 50% or at least look competetive

He's not completely wrong ...Maidana has taken it easy post Floyd...

And Marquez hasnt fought in over a year...i think there is certainly a case for keeping JMM off the list...hes said hes undecided about fighting again...

 

[shaykh]

May not agree with all of the post but definitely the bits in bold; Brook for these reasons would be a strong favourite imo however since Khan had a bad day he can work on his weaknesses in the Algerie fight with his trainer and try to devise a strategy which would aid Khan against pressure fighters so you'd think he'd be more prepared. The only pressure fighter he did well against was maidana and his performance in that fight was awful; it made for great viewing but he left himself open and was trading in the middle at times with his chin hanging out; Alex Ariza was key in his victory in that fight; since their relation ended he's not had a great record, was wrong to fire him but that's what happens when you let family that are out of their depth handle your affairs

The Maidana fight has kinda been remembered as a convincing win which it obviously wasnt...Khans conditioning saved him that night and there are valid suggestions that the scorecard could have gone the other way...

I'd also say Maidana was very crude that night which made Khans performance even worse...had Maidana been remotely accurate and not simply reliant on throwing bombs then the result could have been different...the recent Maidana has looked a lot less crude and the version that fought Broner and Floyd would have beaten Khan easily...

Khan fights well when hes on the outside but is only able to do that effectively against fighters who struggle coming forward...thats why I actually think Khan V Mayweather is an interesting fight...not that he wins but Floyds style isnt itself a nightmare...but Floyds accuracy is as is Floyds control of range etc...but hes not a come forward fighter...imagine Khan V Margarito or Cotto...an absolute nightmare for him...

Brook is good coming forward and hes got legit power...i dont think Khan has the power to keep Brook at bay nor the ability to stay out of range...

 

[shaz619]

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He's not completely wrong ...Maidana has taken it easy post Floyd...

And Marquez hasnt fought in over a year...i think there is certainly a case for keeping JMM off the list...hes said hes undecided about fighting again...

I've not seen these images before but even Fatton use to baloon up and that was in between every fight and he'd look a lot bigger then maidana here. I mentioned that he was inactive so you can keep him off it based on that but I still think he's good enough at this level, he hasn't show significant signs of decline

 

[shaz619]

The Maidana fight has kinda been remembered as a convincing win which it obviously wasnt...Khans conditioning saved him that night and there are valid suggestions that the scorecard could have gone the other way...

I'd also say Maidana was very crude that night which made Khans performance even worse...had Maidana been remotely accurate and not simply reliant on throwing bombs then the result could have been different...the recent Maidana has looked a lot less crude and the version that fought Broner and Floyd would have beaten Khan easily...

Khan fights well when hes on the outside but is only able to do that effectively against fighters who struggle coming forward...thats why I actually think Khan V Mayweather is an interesting fight...not that he wins but Floyds style isnt itself a nightmare...but Floyds accuracy is as is Floyds control of range etc...but hes not a come forward fighter...imagine Khan V Margarito or Cotto...an absolute nightmare for him...

Brook is good coming forward and hes got legit power...i dont think Khan has the power to keep Brook at bay nor the ability to stay out of range...

Khan survived Maidana's best, you just have to see round 10 to see the punishment he had to absorb; given Khan's conditioning that night I believe he'd still have won if he fought the maidana v broner/floyd. Khan did more than enough to win no way could it have gone the other way, maidana left it too late and he was knocked down in the 1st round. Mind you it wasn't Khan's best performance but the fight would have been all over in round 1 had there been another 10 seconds left in the round people forget to mention this...

True; but do you think Floyd would come forward against Khan? he'd have to chance his tactics a little which makes it interesting because he won't counter everything given Khan's work rate.

He has decent power nothing spectacular but just enough to cause damage but the snap in his punches wasn't there in the Algerie fight at all

 

[ShahKhan007]

Khan survived Maidana's best, you just have to see round 10 to see the punishment he had to absorb; given Khan's conditioning that night I believe he'd still have won if he fought the maidana v broner/floyd. Khan did more than enough to win no way could it have gone the other way, maidana left it too late and he was knocked down in the 1st round. Mind you it wasn't Khan's best performance but the fight would have been all over in round 1 had there been another 10 seconds left in the round people forget to mention this...

True; but do you think Floyd would come forward against Khan? he'd have to chance his tactics a little which makes it interesting because he won't counter everything given Khan's work rate.

He has decent power nothing spectacular but just enough to cause damage but the snap in his punches wasn't there in the Algerie fight at all

Stop the excuses Khan would get beat by Thurman, Pacquiao, Guerrero, Garcia, Broner, Porter and my man MoneyMay who will embarrass him and teach him a thing or two about the sweet science of boxing. Brook will probably beat him but I haven't seen anything significant from him to make an accurate assessment. But Shaykh is probably on point so that's another loss for Khan. Smart move for Khan would be to go back to 140, Garcia and most probably Peterson are moving to ww so he can stay relevant in 140 for a year or two. Khan is just not cut out for 147, specially considering how stack the division is.

 

[shaz619]

Stop the excuses Khan would get beat by Thurman, Pacquiao, Guerrero, Garcia, Broner, Porter and my man MoneyMay who will embarrass him and teach him a thing or two about the sweet science of boxing. Brook will probably beat him but I haven't seen anything significant from him to make an accurate assessment. But Shaykh is probably on point so that's another loss for Khan. Smart move for Khan would be to go back to 140, Garcia and most probably Peterson are moving to ww so he can stay relevant in 140 for a year or two. Khan is just not cut out for 147, specially considering how stack the division is.

What is it that you are responding to which I have said mr.Fantard ul Floyd bum licker and what excuses do you speak of are you high of Floyd's crack again ) this poster is so mentally deranged again making a complete fool out of himself. And Brilliant logic there when Fighters get bigger they should move back down ) you make Floyd fans look so good. So typical you always have a daily craving for your lover boy Floyd and lose your mind when it comes to taking a knee for him, the fact that you have to advocate his greatness 24/7 just emphasises your insecurity or he must be your bf

 

[shaykh]

Stop the excuses Khan would get beat by Thurman, Pacquiao, Guerrero, Garcia, Broner, Porter and my man MoneyMay who will embarrass him and teach him a thing or two about the sweet science of boxing. Brook will probably beat him but I haven't seen anything significant from him to make an accurate assessment. But Shaykh is probably on point so that's another loss for Khan. Smart move for Khan would be to go back to 140, Garcia and most probably Peterson are moving to ww so he can stay relevant in 140 for a year or two. Khan is just not cut out for 147, specially considering how stack the division is.

I'm no Khan fan as im sure is evident....but you're underrating him here...

I actually reckon he can beat Garcia in a rematch...Ive become increasingly unimpressed with him and Herrera showed he can easily be outboxed...Khan is less attacking under Hunter and I reckon hes more likely to do 12 with Garcia in a rematch...

Guerrero is kinda done...was awful in his most recent fight...Khan beats him easily imo...

Broner gets beaten by Khan too...Broner is flat footed and too inactive...and he doesnt have power at welterweight...if Khan doesnt land Floyd I can see this fight happening...this could be Khans most dominant performance...

Floyd and Manny...obviously losses but no disrespect there...

Porter...awful style matchup for Khan...Porters pressure will tell...dont think Khan can hold him off...

Brook and Thurman both put Khan to sleep...

 

[shaz619]

I'm no Khan fan as im sure is evident....but you're underrating him here...

I actually reckon he can beat Garcia in a rematch...Ive become increasingly unimpressed with him and Herrera showed he can easily be outboxed...Khan is less attacking under Hunter and I reckon hes more likely to do 12 with Garcia in a rematch...

Guerrero is kinda done...was awful in his most recent fight...Khan beats him easily imo...

Broner gets beaten by Khan too...Broner is flat footed and too inactive...and he doesnt have power at welterweight...if Khan doesnt land Floyd I can see this fight happening...this could be Khans most dominant performance...

Floyd and Manny...obviously losses but no disrespect there...

Porter...awful style matchup for Khan...Porters pressure will tell...dont think Khan can hold him off...

Brook and Thurman both put Khan to sleep...

Garcia doesn't move his feet that well and an unorthodox infighter for his style in that he doesn't cut of the ring as well as a thurman or brook; tbh I honestly don't know what's so special about him, he's got a great chin and some power but can't box, he was humiliated against Peterson recently. I can see Khan beating him so long he doesn't go for the KO like he did in their last fight. Broner? am not sure I'll know for sure after watching him against Porter (who I agree would beat Khan), Gurrero maybe....

Garcia and Bradley are the only guys I can see Khan beating for sure

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lol you do know that Algieri fought in a style that is not suited to him and still made the fight competitive...

I also find it amusing that you're speaking about 'big' opponents when Algieri is a light welterweight...and Khan sturggled plenty against Garcia and Peterson who are not welterweights either...

Brook has more pop than both...and why the confidence in Brook...I guess i could ask you the same question?...why confidence in Khan who beats Porters leftovers in Alexander...a blown up light welterweight who he was supposed to look fantastic against and two losses to average fighters...Garcia got all his hype for beating Khan but looked average against Judah...did get a fantastic win against Matthysse but has lost his last two fights against Herrera and Peterson...

Stating that Brook is better than Khan neednt mean I think Brook is a world beater...he is a stylistic nightmare for Khan imo...Khans power wont faze him...he cuts off the ring well...hes an accurate puncher and he has power...

Khan looks good against counterpunchers who cant apply pressure or come forward and have no pop in their punches hence the selections of Alexander and Algieri...

lHe fought in a style he thought would take him to victory. His tactics were pretty much spot on, it's so daft to suggest because chose to fight in another style he did well and deserves credit even though he lost. lol

How can a Brook fan talk about opponents? lol

Brook is slower, smaller , less reach, less experience in big fights, nowhere near the boxing skills or footwork of Khan. Khan will have no problem with him as he did with Algieri at times. There isn't even a debate imo but we will see if they ever get it on.

 

[shaykh]

lHe fought in a style he thought would take him to victory. His tactics were pretty much spot on, it's so daft to suggest because chose to fight in another style he did well and deserves credit even though he lost. lol

How can a Brook fan talk about opponents? lol

Brook is slower, smaller , less reach, less experience in big fights, nowhere near the boxing skills or footwork of Khan. Khan will have no problem with him as he did with Algieri at times. There isn't even a debate imo but we will see if they ever get it on.

Lol i still remember the days you used to go on about Brook losing to Alexander...and yet since that time Brook has gone on to beat Porter who is a much better fighter than Alexander...

As for your initial comment...clueless is the word that comes to mind...i never said Algieri's tactics were bad...ive said its not a style hes good at...you see his previous fights?...that isnt the type of fighter he is...yet Khan struggled with it somewhat...now imagine Khan against someone whos naturally good at coming forward...

Khans opponents have been handpicked for him to look good against...Alexander, Algieri...both showcase fights...im still waiting for Khan to fight someone who is able to put pressure on him...

You can speculate about Brook V Khan as much as you like...but remember its Khan that is refusing to step in the ring with Brook...and i doubt he will even if the Floyd fights falls through again...I guarantee Broner...another handpicked opponent over the more dangerous options in the division...

 

[shaykh]

Garcia doesn't move his feet that well and an unorthodox infighter for his style in that he doesn't cut of the ring as well as a thurman or brook; tbh I honestly don't know what's so special about him, he's got a great chin and some power but can't box, he was humiliated against Peterson recently. I can see Khan beating him so long he doesn't go for the KO like he did in their last fight. Broner? am not sure I'll know for sure after watching him against Porter (who I agree would beat Khan), Gurrero maybe....

Garcia and Bradley are the only guys I can see Khan beating for sure

You sure about your final sentence?...you spent the rest of the post saying Garcia wouldnt win...

I wouldn't say he got humiliated by Peterson but he certainly lost...and with Garcia he does nothing special but for me is well rounded...since Khan and Mathhysse hes been shown up a bit...

Broner for me is the easiest fight for Khan but I also think Porters gonna beat him...so dunno how Khan justifies a fight against him...

Check Guerreros recent fight...hes done...and he got a gift against a poor opponent...the more i think about it...considering Broner is likely to lose against Porter Guerrero might be a likely opponent...

Floyd is obviously the fight he wants...alternatives that will have won when hes available include Thurman (he'll beat Collazo), Brook, Porter and Guerrero...sort of makes sense to me that Guerrero would be an option...

Bradley fight wont happen unfortunately...i got him against Vargas...but obvious promotional issues means we cant match him up...

 

[shaykh]

Just watched the cards from last night...

Wilder V Molina is a must watch...fun fight...Molina had Wilder rocked too but unfortunately didnt realise it...I see holes in Wilders game and still see him behind Fury imo...and tbh im not sure he beats his mandatory in Povetkin...

On the same card Pedraza had an easy night...not much of a watch...he coasted to a win against Klimov...

As a fan of anything from the Balkans I actually was quite eager to see Zlatacinin...a 5'4 lightweight...absolutely pummeled a decent opponent in Redkach...beating Burns and now Redkach hes now earned a shot at Linares and I reckon if that fight happens he'll cause Linares some serious problems...Linares will struggle to keep this guy off him...he's like a lightweight Porter...

Verdejo fight is well worth a watch...he looks class...and his opponent was game...still a prospect but signs are good...

Walters fight wasnt action packed although the KO ratios would mistake you for thinking it would be...worth noting that Walters failed on the scales so lost his belt and also rehydrated to 145...so Marriga just didnt trouble him...as most Colombians the records are exaggerated and he certainly had no Donaire like power...Walters had a solid tactic...he targeted the left to the body all night and then unleashed his right for the second half...it was an easy night for him...heres still hoping we see him against Lomachenko...

His progress is reminding me a bit of Stevenson...big puncher who is gradually showing us how well he can box...

 

[shaz619]

You sure about your final sentence?...you spent the rest of the post saying Garcia wouldnt win...

I wouldn't say he got humiliated by Peterson but he certainly lost...and with Garcia he does nothing special but for me is well rounded...since Khan and Mathhysse hes been shown up a bit...

Broner for me is the easiest fight for Khan but I also think Porters gonna beat him...so dunno how Khan justifies a fight against him...

Check Guerreros recent fight...hes done...and he got a gift against a poor opponent...the more i think about it...considering Broner is likely to lose against Porter Guerrero might be a likely opponent...

Floyd is obviously the fight he wants...alternatives that will have won when hes available include Thurman (he'll beat Collazo), Brook, Porter and Guerrero...sort of makes sense to me that Guerrero would be an option...

Bradley fight wont happen unfortunately...i got him against Vargas...but obvious promotional issues means we cant match him up...

Yeah I meant Khan would beat Garcia and Bradley for sure..

He did, Peterson started a little slow but made Garcia look like an amateur in the second half and did more then enough to win imo He's a solid fighter, puts his combinations together very nicely and hits you with heavy hands with great accuracy once he gets into a rythm but is let down by his footwork and ability to adjust against opponents that are quicker then him and box on the backfoot.

I don't see Khan having a great night against Broner either, he's by no means feather fisted and hits harder then all of Khan's recent opponents; you mentioned Khan going for Broner instead of Brook but that's justified because he's the bigger name, Brook's stock has taken a hit after making defences against gavin and jo jo dan. Put it this way; say Khan beats Brook, his stock would rise in Britain but in America? I doubt it....Porter isn't the right opponent for him stylistically speaking but he has to step in the ring with one of these guys if the Floyd fight doesn't happen.

Nope, it won't; besides Bradley has been avoiding Khan for years it's just not the right match up for him and he knows it to. At one point he rejected the biggest payday of his career it would have been a 50/50 split

 

[shaz619]

Also guys, did you know Froch defeated Groves before 80,000 people? just checking....#InsecureCarl

 

[shaykh]

Yeah I meant Khan would beat Garcia and Bradley for sure..

He did, Peterson started a little slow but made Garcia look like an amateur in the second half and did more then enough to win imo He's a solid fighter, puts his combinations together very nicely and hits you with heavy hands with great accuracy once he gets into a rythm but is let down by his footwork and ability to adjust against opponents that are quicker then him and box on the backfoot.

I don't see Khan having a great night against Broner either, he's by no means feather fisted and hits harder then all of Khan's recent opponents; you mentioned Khan going for Broner instead of Brook but that's justified because he's the bigger name, Brook's stock has taken a hit after making defences against gavin and jo jo dan. Put it this way; say Khan beats Brook, his stock would rise in Britain but in America? I doubt it....Porter isn't the right opponent for him stylistically speaking but he has to step in the ring with one of these guys if the Floyd fight doesn't happen.

Nope, it won't; besides Bradley has been avoiding Khan for years it's just not the right match up for him and he knows it to. At one point he rejected the biggest payday of his career it would have been a 50/50 split

The Bradley thing is kinda old ground...he had promotional issues and held out for a fight against Pacquiao which he got...i dont think Khan beats Bradley at all...he may not hit hard but he will expose Khans lack of an inside game big time...stylistically I think Khan is just for Bradley...hes a very underrated fighter imo...he shut out Peterson...hes beaten JMM...hes a MUCH better fighter than Khan...one can make an argument that on resume alone he is no3 behind Floyd and Manny...

Broner doesn't throw enough punches...and has no footwork...hes not feather fisted but hes not a puncher at 147 either...and he hasnt even been fighting at 147 recently...and the two fights hes had at 147 hes looked awful...against Maidana and more importantly against Paulie...i think Porter is gonna batter him...

Brooks stock hasnt dropped...hes been staying active...and hes looking for a big fight in September...Golovkin does keep busy fights too...i doubt his stock dropped cos he fought the likes of Rubio and Adama...as long as you're fighting someone of note once or twice a year no problem...Dan was his mandatory...Gavin was a dud...and Rios if it happens is to build his name in the American market...its a solid fight...Rios has kinda rebuilt a bit with his win over Alvarado and is still a name...

If Peterson didnt alway start slowly he would do brilliantly...Khan fight also...took over the second half...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Also guys, did you know Froch defeated Groves before 80,000 people? just checking....#InsecureCarl

) he might aswell get that tattooed on his forehead or arm! insecure indeed!

 

[shaz619]

The Bradley thing is kinda old ground...he had promotional issues and held out for a fight against Pacquiao which he got...i dont think Khan beats Bradley at all...he may not hit hard but he will expose Khans lack of an inside game big time...stylistically I think Khan is just for Bradley...hes a very underrated fighter imo...he shut out Peterson...hes beaten JMM...hes a MUCH better fighter than Khan...one can make an argument that on resume alone he is no3 behind Floyd and Manny...

Broner doesn't throw enough punches...and has no footwork...hes not feather fisted but hes not a puncher at 147 either...and he hasnt even been fighting at 147 recently...and the two fights hes had at 147 hes looked awful...against Maidana and more importantly against Paulie...i think Porter is gonna batter him...

Brooks stock hasnt dropped...hes been staying active...and hes looking for a big fight in September...Golovkin does keep busy fights too...i doubt his stock dropped cos he fought the likes of Rubio and Adama...as long as you're fighting someone of note once or twice a year no problem...Dan was his mandatory...Gavin was a dud...and Rios if it happens is to build his name in the American market...its a solid fight...Rios has kinda rebuilt a bit with his win over Alvarado and is still a name...

If Peterson didnt alway start slowly he would do brilliantly...Khan fight also...took over the second half...

Bradley would just be overwhelmed by Khan's speed imo we've seen Manny expose him in that regard he just can't adjust against an opponent that moves well and hits you with fast hands; it's the perfect fight for Khan and he wouldn't need to fight on the inside in the first place irrespective of this perceived weakness which is exaggerated when his main strength has always been to use his reach and box at range. Bradley is certainly underrated; I had him at no.2 for my ranking at 147 if you look in the earlier post (i don't include the champions of the division in my ranking like the ring lol) Bradley is a fantastic boxer but styles make fights....

Would you agree that he has more power then Khan's recent opponents? I can't see it being an easy night for him may even Knock Khan down...

Staying active doesn't necessarily elevate your stock, it's enhanced by fighting world class opponents. I don't care about GGG you've already agreed with the fact that he hasn't fought anyone of note; the hype around him comes from his technique, power and wins in terms of his KO percentage. Brook just won a world title he hasn't earned a dud (in other words an easy pay day by fighting a tomato can, staying active my foot; this is a matchroom fighter we are talking about...)

He was roided up in that fight and had to rely on silly point deductions and still lost

 

[shaz619]

) he might aswell get that tattooed on his forehead or arm! insecure indeed!

) ) Desperate measures taken to get Calzaghe's attention

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

If Khan doesn't get the Mayweather fight and it's looking unlikely then he should fight Brook (providing Mayweather doesn't pick him) as it would be a massive fight in Britain

I can understand Khan not fighting Brook at the moment as it's a risk he doesn't need to take as he chases a Mayweather fight

 

[WC-Passion]

Lol i still remember the days you used to go on about Brook losing to Alexander...and yet since that time Brook has gone on to beat Porter who is a much better fighter than Alexander...

As for your initial comment...clueless is the word that comes to mind...i never said Algieri's tactics were bad...ive said its not a style hes good at...you see his previous fights?...that isnt the type of fighter he is...yet Khan struggled with it somewhat...now imagine Khan against someone whos naturally good at coming forward...

Khans opponents have been handpicked for him to look good against...Alexander, Algieri...both showcase fights...im still waiting for Khan to fight someone who is able to put pressure on him...

You can speculate about Brook V Khan as much as you like...but remember its Khan that is refusing to step in the ring with Brook...and i doubt he will even if the Floyd fights falls through again...I guarantee Broner...another handpicked opponent over the more dangerous options in the division...

I still believe Alexander would beat Brook. He's only had one good victory against Porter and it's laughable to suggest just because he beat Porter he will beat Alexander and Khan.

It doesn't matter what style is favourable for Algieri, he put on a very good performance, giving Khan plenty of problems. Besides Algieri has a new trainer so automatically changed his style and approach. Brook won't be able to pressure Khan or cut of the ring as Alegiri did because he's smaller than Khan while Algieri was slightly taller with a longer reach. The only person Brook will be pressuring is Barry Hearne to find him another unknown bum to beat. lol

Maybe he should have had a re-match with porter instead of fighting bums? Brook is clearly a small name even with a world title behind him otherwise he would be fighting in Vegas not at Sheffield against the likes of Gavin. Khan has fought various types of fighters, skilled boxers, hard hitters, taller men, well known experienced fighters. Either you have been asleep watching his fights or missed the fact his opponents often put pressure on him because of his perceived weak chin. Its not surprise your mute about Brooks opponents lol.

 

[KingKhanWC]

^ Have no idea how i posted with someone elses username lol

 

[shaz619]

I still believe Alexander would beat Brook. He's only had one good victory against Porter and it's laughable to suggest just because he beat Porter he will beat Alexander and Khan.

It doesn't matter what style is favourable for Algieri, he put on a very good performance, giving Khan plenty of problems. Besides Algieri has a new trainer so automatically changed his style and approach. Brook won't be able to pressure Khan or cut of the ring as Alegiri did because he's smaller than Khan while Algieri was slightly taller with a longer reach. The only person Brook will be pressuring is Barry Hearne to find him another unknown bum to beat. lol

Maybe he should have had a re-match with porter instead of fighting bums? Brook is clearly a small name even with a world title behind him otherwise he would be fighting in Vegas not at Sheffield against the likes of Gavin. Khan has fought various types of fighters, skilled boxers, hard hitters, taller men, well known experienced fighters. Either you have been asleep watching his fights or missed the fact his opponents often put pressure on him because of his perceived weak chin. Its not surprise your mute about Brooks opponents lol.

) )

Kell after that pun:

 

[shaykh]

I still believe Alexander would beat Brook. He's only had one good victory against Porter and it's laughable to suggest just because he beat Porter he will beat Alexander and Khan.

It doesn't matter what style is favourable for Algieri, he put on a very good performance, giving Khan plenty of problems. Besides Algieri has a new trainer so automatically changed his style and approach. Brook won't be able to pressure Khan or cut of the ring as Alegiri did because he's smaller than Khan while Algieri was slightly taller with a longer reach. The only person Brook will be pressuring is Barry Hearne to find him another unknown bum to beat. lol

Maybe he should have had a re-match with porter instead of fighting bums? Brook is clearly a small name even with a world title behind him otherwise he would be fighting in Vegas not at Sheffield against the likes of Gavin. Khan has fought various types of fighters, skilled boxers, hard hitters, taller men, well known experienced fighters. Either you have been asleep watching his fights or missed the fact his opponents often put pressure on him because of his perceived weak chin. Its not surprise your mute about Brooks opponents lol.

Alexander is rubbish...always has been...and I maintain that...Porter beat him easy...so did Khan...so did Mathysse...so did Bradley and so did Kotelnik...on what basis do you think Alexander beats Brook...his special win against Maidana where Maidana pulled the worst performance of his career...there must be a reason you rate Alexander...oh wait I remember your fantastic argument...apparently losing to every class fighter you have faced makes you good...

And when is your boy Khan gonna fight a puncher?...Alexander, Algieri, Collazo...lol getting a little roughed up by Diaz seems to have got him shook...

The fact that Algieri put on a good performance says more about Khan...it was supposed to be an easy fight...

As for the rest of your post about Brook...suggesting Algieri is a better pressure fighter is laughable...tbf i can debate with some on here because they actually have legitimate points...can't really debate a guy who starts bigging up Algieri the pressure fighter ...

 

[Amjid Javed]

return of Andre ward this weekend, i dont think there are any decent fights for him left at SWM I think he should move up to LH and fight stevenson or kovalev. Ward is a natural LH so i think would make more sense for him to fight at that weight now.

 

[shaz619]

return of Andre ward this weekend, i dont think there are any decent fights for him left at SWM I think he should move up to LH and fight stevenson or kovalev. Ward is a natural LH so i think would make more sense for him to fight at that weight now.

True there's not much for him to do at SWM unless GGG moves up to face him, what weight is he fighting Paul Smith at? It's his comeback fight so can't really make a comment on which weight ward is most compatible just yet will have to see how he performs but if GGG don't move up then he may as well go for the kovales, stevensons....I highly doubt GGG will move up to face Ward

 

[shaz619]

Jim Watt believes Ward's ability is on par with Floyd's except he is better to watch, in his own words:

"He stops people fighting and getting into their rhythm but he doesn't do it in a spoiling manner. He doesn't grab hold of them, tie them up and make it look messy. He does it with technique and skill and I like that."

 

[shaz619]

GGG is overrated

 

[shaz619]

Any news on Bernard Hopkins future plans? I wanted him to retire for the sake of his health but he didn't look so bad against Kovalev compared to his previous victims and didn't give me an indication that he is ready for retirement; highly doubt stevenson will fight him..don't know where he goes from here

 

[ShahKhan007]

GGG is overrated

Explain how a olympic silver medalist who is undefeated with 20 straight knockouts, has the highest KO percentage in middleweight history is overrated????? You must have your head stuck way under Khan's butt to come to that conclusion.

 

[ShahKhan007]

return of Andre ward this weekend, i dont think there are any decent fights for him left at SWM I think he should move up to LH and fight stevenson or kovalev. Ward is a natural LH so i think would make more sense for him to fight at that weight now.

Ward has been his own worst enemy. The inactivity plus a personality of a potatoe has really hurt his stock. He himself has said he needs two warm up fights to get back to rethym so don't see him taking on anyone significant anytime soon.

 

[shaz619]

Explain how a olympic silver medalist who is undefeated with 20 straight knockouts, has the highest KO percentage in middleweight history is overrated????? You must have your head stuck way under Khan's butt to come to that conclusion.

What has Khan got to do with anything you retard did you get in bed with him last night that you're so obsessed with him, bet your still crying over this post

"Jim Watt believes Ward's ability is on par with Floyd's except he is better to watch, in his own words:

"He stops people fighting and getting into their rhythm but he doesn't do it in a spoiling manner. He doesn't grab hold of them, tie them up and make it look messy. He does it with technique and skill and I like that." "

) Oh no did somebody hurt your homo feelings for Floyd.

You should explain who GGG has proven himself against don't expect a retarded Floyd bum licker who glorifies a fighter for his cherry picking to grasp the concept of making a name for yourself against fighters that actually present a challenge. The hype around GGG is for his technique and power but he has looked good against bums so far doesn't deserve to be in a top 10 P4P ranking. Also Khan is a silver medalist to ) awwww your bias has been exposed now

 

[shaz619]

Ward has been his own worst enemy. The inactivity plus a personality of a potatoe has really hurt his stock. He himself has said he needs two warm up fights to get back to rethym so don't see him taking on anyone significant anytime soon.

Yeah personality = wiping your bottom with money and beating up women right ) wth would you know about personality you bigot when you advocate the greatness of the most pathetic human being on earth. Yeah his inactivity was entirely his fault right and not his promoters, these Floyd fans and there retarded logic is hilarious )

 

[ShahKhan007]

Yeah personality = wiping your bottom with money and beating up women right ) wth would you know about personality you bigot when you advocate the greatness of the most pathetic human being on earth. Yeah his inactivity was entirely his fault right and not his promoters, these Floyd fans and there retarded logic is hilarious )

MoneyMay trollling your boi Khan has really gotten to you )

 

[shaz619]

MoneyMay trollling your boi Khan has really gotten to you )

can't counter any point so resorts to low grade garbage ) seriously how old are you? you really must sleep with Floyd every night )

 

[ShahKhan007]

What has Khan got to do with anything you retard did you get in bed with him last night that you're so obsessed with him, bet your still crying over this post

"Jim Watt believes Ward's ability is on par with Floyd's except he is better to watch, in his own words:

"He stops people fighting and getting into their rhythm but he doesn't do it in a spoiling manner. He doesn't grab hold of them, tie them up and make it look messy. He does it with technique and skill and I like that." "

) Oh no did somebody hurt your homo feelings for Floyd.

You should explain who GGG has proven himself against don't expect a retarded Floyd bum licker who glorifies a fighter for his cherry picking to grasp the concept of making a name for yourself against fighters that actually present a challenge. The hype around GGG is for his technique and power but he has looked good against bums so far doesn't deserve to be in a top 10 P4P ranking. Also Khan is a silver medalist to ) awwww your bias has been exposed now

GGG should not be in the top 10p4p???? Shows your boxing knowledge )

You need to get up from laying under Khan at all times because currently you are embarrassing yourself

 

[shaz619]

GGG should not be in the top 10p4p???? Shows your boxing knowledge )

You need to get up from laying under Khan at all times because currently you are embarrassing yourself

You should explain why he should be in there but wouldn't except a gay lover of Floyd to understand anything beyond the concept of cherry picking ) Look likes Floyd's ...is stuck up your bottom that's the nature of your enhanced boxing knowledge evenmore so when you resort to low grade garbage when you got nothing else to say you pathetic low life and supporter of bigots who wipe their bum with paper and beat women; you remind me of those typical pakistani homo chavs that have a fetish for douchy black guys ) i wonder why )

 

[ShahKhan007]

You should explain why he should be in there but wouldn't except a gay lover of Floyd to understand anything beyond the concept of cherry picking ) Look likes Floyd's ...is stuck up your bottom that's the nature of your enhanced boxing knowledge evenmore so when you resort to low grade garbage when you got nothing else to say you pathetic low life and supporter of bigots who wipe their bum with paper and beat women; you remind me of those typical pakistani homo chavs that have a fetish for douchy black guys ) i wonder why )

Who has GGG been avoiding??? You are so clueless its shocking. I know its hard for you to look at anything when you have Khan's butt right up against your face but still you should at least try.

 

[shaz619]

Who has GGG been avoiding??? You are so clueless its shocking. I know its hard for you to look at anything when you have Khan's butt right up against your face but still you should at least try.

who said anything about avoiding can you take your head out of Floyd's bum and post for once? you still have not answered the question why should he be in the top 10 P4P ranking? Honestly it's almost as if you literally stick your head up Floyd's backside and let him drop waste in your mouth and smear it all over your face and then you let it out in this thread

 

[ShahKhan007]

who said anything about avoiding can you take your head out of Floyd's bum and post for once? you still have not answered the question why should he be in the top 10 P4P ranking? Honestly it's almost as if you literally stick your head up Floyd's backside and let him drop waste in your mouth and smear it all over your face and then you let it out in this thread

You said he doesn't deserve to be a top 10 p4p fighter, explain you fool? I understand you are preoccupied with your head up against Khan's butt but still how can you come up with such preposterous statements?

 

[shaz619]

You said he doesn't deserve to be a top 10 p4p fighter, explain you fool? I understand you are preoccupied with your head up against Khan's butt but still how can you come up with such preposterous statements?

Hey retard I've answered that question repeatedly in my posts but you fail to counter it and since you fail to prove why he deserves to be in the top 10 P4P rankings my point stands and your head still remains up Floyd's backside which would explain why you can't think; seriously are you mentally disabled by any chance or are you just genuinely like this all the time? no offence btw, also it's very unhealthy glorifying a man of Floyd's stature when you're not related to him in anyway unless your his secret husband then no offence bruv do your thing

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ward has been his own worst enemy. The inactivity plus a personality of a potatoe has really hurt his stock. He himself has said he needs two warm up fights to get back to rethym so don't see him taking on anyone significant anytime soon.

I agree hes not been a massive draw for viewing fans in U.S or anywhere else, hopefully with him being with Roc nation that will change and we will see him fighting in some big exciting fights.

 

[shaz619]

The problem with Ward is that he needs to drop this Jesus Christ Superstar or Son of God gimmick, he needs to beat up women if he wants a shot at becoming a mainstream phenomenon.

 

[ShahKhan007]

The problem with Ward is that he needs to drop this Jesus Christ Superstar or Son of God gimmick, he needs to beat up women if he wants a shot at becoming a mainstream phenomenon.

Typical Khan fan, let me give you a boxing lesson.

In the fight game skills sometimes is not enough to get mainstream attention. You need to either project a really humble, friendly, family man etc persona or be a villian (trash talk, showboat, disrespect opponents before the fight be a ahole when the camera is on). That's the name of the game and its been this way since the days of the great Muhammad Ali. If you have skills yet lack personalty you will remain in the second tier which will always be the case with someone like Ward and the likes.

This is mainly true for the US/CAN fight fans different cultures/countries obviously have different standards and tolerance level.

 

[shaz619]

Typical Khan fan, let me give you a boxing lesson.

In the fight game skills sometimes is not enough to get mainstream attention. You need to either project a really humble, friendly, family man etc persona or be a villian (trash talk, showboat, disrespect opponents before the fight be a ahole when the camera is on). That's the name of the game and its been this way since the days of the great Muhammad Ali. If you have skills yet lack personalty you will remain in the second tier which will always be the case with someone like Ward and the likes.

This is mainly true for the US/CAN fight fans different cultures/countries obviously have different standards and tolerance level.

Boxing Lesson over a forum what a keyboard warrior typical coward and Floyd fan you must get it from him no doubt. No one is going to disagree with what has been known since the dawn of the sport so your revelations/lessons don't really elevate your status as a poster in this thread, seems like you were butt hurt over my post ) Like I said ward needs to beat up a woman maybe he;ll be taken seriously then, this son of god gimmick combined with his skill is of no use tbh he's only won some world titles, ring mag belt and being inactive might have hurt his stock a bit but that's the best way forward needs to follow the footsteps of floyd

 

[ShahKhan007]

MoneyMay throwing today names like Berto and Mayfield to play with Khan ) Loving the trolling.

 

[ShahKhan007]

Money also confirming what is pretty much known that he will stick around for his 50th fight. “I need an Andre Berto or Karim Mayfield to get me ready for my 50th bout,” Mayweather said. “Everyone is saying they want to see No.50.”

 

[shaz619]

Check out this floyd Fantard cheerleading a cherry picker ) ) oh how sweetly he spelt MoneyMay there as if you just come out the same shower as him

 

[shaz619]

Never have I seen someone so High of anothers crack then this Shah Tool ) he has sold his soul to gayweather well not sold must have given it for free

 

[shaykh]

Shaz...
Who's willing to fight GGG?...its all and well attacking the guy but he's asked for the best at 160...and no takers...

Quillin...GGG called him out...no response...
Cotto...GGG called him out...no response...

And then who else is there?...Murray, Geale and Macklin are imo solid wins especially considering the manner in which they were achieved...

Issue GGG has is what now?...looks like he'll have to go to 168 cos the two mentioned fighters want nothing to do with him...

If GGG's resume is average its not his own doing...

 

[shaykh]

Rubbish night of boxing really...

First things...Brook is like Hatton between fights ...

Broner was absolutely awful...thought the fight might be competitive since he managed to get Porter to lose some extra pounds and set a rehydration limit to improve his chances...result...a terrible fight which Porter bossed but didnt look too good himself...tbf he didnt need to...Broner was just that poor...he doesnt belong at 147...

Errol Spence looks impressive and him v Thurman is an intriguing fight if that does indeed happen...

Ward V Smith was always gonna be a mismatch and thats exactly what it was...a tune up to cure some ring rust...good to see Ward back though...and a real lack of professionalism by Smith coming in overweight...

Gonna check Lemieux V N'Dam and hope there was at least one decent fight this evening...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Have to agree what a rubbish night of boxing.. for all broners yapping before hand he was useless and just held and ran for 12 rounds before deciding to throw a punch in anger.

As expected Ward pummelled smith, i think ward needs to stay at light heavyweight and fight kovalev or stevenson, he would pretty much whip any at SMW and there are no real challenging fights for him.

 

[shaykh]

Have to agree what a rubbish night of boxing.. for all broners yapping before hand he was useless and just held and ran for 12 rounds before deciding to throw a punch in anger.

As expected Ward pummelled smith, i think ward needs to stay at light heavyweight and fight kovalev or stevenson, he would pretty much whip any at SMW and there are no real challenging fights for him.

Dunno what the future holds for Broner really...he is still only 25...he has no business at 147 that much is true...

SMW is ok for Ward if him and GGG are serious otherwise agree he has to move up...there is of course Degale but yeh would prefer Kovalev...

 

[sh47]

Shaz...
Who's willing to fight GGG?...its all and well attacking the guy but he's asked for the best at 160...and no takers...

Quillin...GGG called him out...no response...
Cotto...GGG called him out...no response...

And then who else is there?...Murray, Geale and Macklin are imo solid wins especially considering the manner in which they were achieved...

Issue GGG has is what now?...looks like he'll have to go to 168 cos the two mentioned fighters want nothing to do with him...

If GGG's resume is average its not his own doing...

Rubbish night of boxing really...

First things...Brook is like Hatton between fights ...

Broner was absolutely awful...thought the fight might be competitive since he managed to get Porter to lose some extra pounds and set a rehydration limit to improve his chances...result...a terrible fight which Porter bossed but didnt look too good himself...tbf he didnt need to...Broner was just that poor...he doesnt belong at 147...

Errol Spence looks impressive and him v Thurman is an intriguing fight if that does indeed happen...

Ward V Smith was always gonna be a mismatch and thats exactly what it was...a tune up to cure some ring rust...good to see Ward back though...and a real lack of professionalism by Smith coming in overweight...

Gonna check Lemieux V N'Dam and hope there was at least one decent fight this evening...

I don't think the poster was implying that GGG is avoiding anyone but the mere fact that he is overated in terms of being rated as a top P4P fighter despite not having performed in a marquee fight against an opponent of a Cotto or someone. There is truth to that; GGG is a great talent but is over-hyped in that sense. But there comes a point when you have to rate such fighters above those who refuse to step in the ring with them but lets be honest GGG's CV isn't exactly fantastic; but this is concealed by the KO percentage and performance in the ring. Agree should move up.

I was hoping Broner would be knocked out, enjoyed watching him get beat like that after his charade during the entrance (which turned out to be extremely hilarious since he lost) and even more-so due to his post-fight interview. Broner employed Mayweather tactics, run and hold except he barely threw anything. He had everything going for him 144 etc yet still failed to beat Porter, it's also clear that he doesn't belong in the welter division. Porter performed really well, he gave Broner a huge advantage in terms of weight. Don't think it's easy for any natural welter to lose some pounds, 3lb is quite a bit. Brook's win over Shawn looks even better all of a sudden.

I want to see Thurman vs Brook next.

Not watched Ward v Smith yet and yes Broner v Porter was a let down but it was a fight you had to see and I was still entertained; watched every round till the final bell. Certainly enjoyed it more then Floyd vs Manny.

 

[sh47]

Timothy Bradley vs Vargas next week. Should be a cracking fight.

 

[sh47]

Also, apparently Floyd has been toying with the idea of a rematch against Oscar De La Hoya or a fight with Andre Berto/Karim Mayfield. The cherry picking can't be so obvious, he's obviously kidding right. Many pundits have also claimed that Amir should get the fight based on his awful performance against Chris; it further vindicates the regard and awareness the boxing community has for Floyd's thinking patterns when it comes to his choice of opponent.

 

[shaykh]

Also, apparently Floyd has been toying with the idea of a rematch against Oscar De La Hoya or a fight with Andre Berto/Karim Mayfield. The cherry picking can't be so obvious, he's obviously kidding right. Many pundits have also claimed that Amir should get the fight based on his awful performance against Chris; it further vindicates the regard and awareness the boxing community has for Floyd's thinking patterns when it comes to his choice of opponent.

100% trolling on Floyds part...

 

[shaykh]

I don't think the poster was implying that GGG is avoiding anyone but the mere fact that he is overated in terms of being rated as a top P4P fighter despite not having performed in a marquee fight against an opponent of a Cotto or someone. There is truth to that; GGG is a great talent but is over-hyped in that sense. But there comes a point when you have to rate such fighters above those who refuse to step in the ring with them but lets be honest GGG's CV isn't exactly fantastic; but this is concealed by the KO percentage and performance in the ring. Agree should move up.

I was hoping Broner would be knocked out, enjoyed watching him get beat like that after his charade during the entrance (which turned out to be extremely hilarious since he lost) and even more-so due to his post-fight interview. Broner employed Mayweather tactics, run and hold except he barely threw anything. He had everything going for him 144 etc yet still failed to beat Porter, it's also clear that he doesn't belong in the welter division. Porter performed really well, he gave Broner a huge advantage in terms of weight. Don't think it's easy for any natural welter to lose some pounds, 3lb is quite a bit. Brook's win over Shawn looks even better all of a sudden.

I want to see Thurman vs Brook next.

Not watched Ward v Smith yet and yes Broner v Porter was a let down but it was a fight you had to see and I was still entertained; watched every round till the final bell. Certainly enjoyed it more then Floyd vs Manny.

His CV isnt fantastic but the manner in which hes beating solid opposition is...

Murray is a solid fighter...arguably beat Sturm and Martinez...but got battered by GGG...
Rubio is rubbish...but looked decent against Chavez Jr and beat Lemieux...got battered by GGG...
Geale...Barker and Sturm are solid wins...never stopped before he faced GGG...and got the treatment...the fight against Cotto was a sham so am giving Cotto no credit for it...GGG though does deserve credit...
Rosado...arguably beat Love and Quillin...but battered by GGG...

Hes facing Lemieux next...thats a solid fight imo...