British Pakistanis, less successful compared to North American Pakistanis?

[GentleMan]

That examples way off . The owner of PP put hard work and effort into making PP what it is . For you to come here post on the site and then say British Pakistanis haven't contributed a lot is absolute nonsense and quite insulting .

that talk started because captain said that it is british pakistanis who gave this forum..which is correct, and no one is denying that..but i also want to point out how american pakistanis have contributed to the forum as well..so the forum argument is a moot point.. no insult intended for anyone.

 

[waseem84]

I think u will find that many of the ' british pakistansi" are actually kashmiris who are giving PAkistani's a bad name

 

[pakistanalltheway]

Get a grip. While PP is a great website and clearly a lot of effort is put in by the admins, it doesn't prove anything about british Pakistanis. And it certainly doesn't mean people shouldn't criticize britpaks. Or that W63L35's posts are attributed to them.

When did I say that people shouldn't criticise British Pakistanis ?
I have no problem with that what annoyed me was GM saying British Pakistanis haven't contributed anything apart from sever and forums .To me that statement felt like it was belittling the work of Saj .As for it proving anything about British Pakistanis well it doesn't and I haven't said it does .

 

[saadibaba]

Just ship my part to Britain

(Henceforth proving British PPers are cheap)

Sure, if you are ok with non-halal meat.

 

[endymion248]

When did I say that people shouldn't criticise British Pakistanis ?
I have no problem with that what annoyed me was GM saying British Pakistanis haven't contributed anything apart from sever and forums .To me that statement felt like it was belittling the work of Saj .As for it proving anything about British Pakistanis well it doesn't and I haven't said it does .

And how is it facepalm-worthy to compare it with Gutenberg providing us a mean to express ourselves like Saj did?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I know. Hey how about all you guys meet me in Memphis and have some quality BBQ-Memphis style with me, my treat.

How about we all get together in London and have whatever BBQ style you like in an open and welcome atmosphere and easily reached by all? For successful North American PP'ers that should prove no problem at all, I mean what's the price of an airline ticket?

 

[pakistanalltheway]

And how is it facepalm-worthy to compare it with Gutenberg providing us a mean to express ourselves like Saj did?

That face palm was at you for not getting the point . Maybe a little unclear from me .

 

[GentleMan]

When did I say that people shouldn't criticise British Pakistanis ?
I have no problem with that what annoyed me was GM saying British Pakistanis haven't contributed anything apart from sever and forums .To me that statement felt like it was belittling the work of Saj .As for it proving anything about British Pakistanis well it doesn't and I haven't said it does .

when you put it like that, you will get me banned..

captain was the one who started this oneupmanship that they provided the forum..wasnt that belittling the contribution of so many PPers who keep the forum alive and going? but when i reply to that, i become the villain.

 

[endymion248]

Sure, if you are ok with non-halal meat.

That will be decided after delivery ^^

 

[endymion248]

How about we all get together in London and have whatever BBQ style you like in an open and welcome atmosphere and easily reached by all? For successful North American PP'ers that should prove no problem at all, I mean what's the price of an airline ticket?

Next time we have a Gaggu Mandi fund-raiser, we should have a competition about who donates more between UK an US. I guess US ppers should be donating in thousands

 

[saadibaba]

How about we all get together in London and have whatever BBQ style you like in an open and welcome atmosphere and easily reached by all? For successful North American PP'ers that should prove no problem at all, I mean what's the price of an airline ticket?

Great idea....would love to meet all of you, even the ones I don't get along with. But lets forget BBQ, not your forte, I'll have some of your famous fish and chips.:umarakmal

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

when you put it like that, you will get me banned..

captain was the one who started this oneupmanship that they provided the forum..wasnt that belittling the contribution of so many PPers who keep the forum alive and going? but when i reply to that, i become the villain.

Captain didn't open the thread, so how you decided I was the one who started the oneupmanship I'm not really sure. But as usual, your views are interesting.

 

[ElRaja]

look at british pakistanis..namak halaal, kkwc, great khan, captain rishwat.. all having some bitterness. and dear sir, internet forums do count, because people are most honest here. in fact real life experience doesnt count, because people are politically correct.

lols, conveniently you forget about DV, markhor, mohsin, etc, all who happen to have varied and pluralistic views on matters, but you focus on those guys who firstly, you disagree with, and secondly, will not back down from an argument.

the fact that you have trouble valuing those people who have views that are different to yours is a direct reflection of your own mental strength, or lack thereof.... go into any time pass thread and me and kkwc pretty much disagree on everything, but i would never judge him for it, in fact i think he's pbly a pretty decent bloke.

as far as your last point goes, thats only valid if you know enough people away form the cyber world too, i could start judging indians based on icf but i know better than that because ive known a lot of indians away from the internet.

 

[Oxy'sWingMan]

I know. Hey how about all you guys meet me in Memphis and have some quality BBQ-Memphis style with me, my treat.

Definitely down for this. May actually be making a trip down south over the summer. Should plan a PP meet-up, and cricket match.

Would be absolutely hilarious to see the real-life interaction between IgnitedMind and GentleMan.

 

[saadibaba]

Definitely down for this. May actually be making a trip down south over the summer. Should plan a PP meet-up, and cricket match.

Would be absolutely hilarious to see the real-life interaction between IgnitedMind and GentleMan.

Now that will be something I will pay to watch.

 

[endymion248]

Would be absolutely hilarious to see the real-life interaction between IgnitedMind and GentleMan.

Keyboard warriors are usually shy blokes so I'd be surprised if they even look into eachother's eyes

 

[mani1]

I think u will find that many of the ' british pakistansi" are actually kashmiris who are giving PAkistani's a bad name

Shehzad Tanweer detonated a bomb on a Circle Line train between Aldgate and Liverpool Street stations killing himself and seven people, and injuring more than 100.

The remains of Tanweer were buried near his ancestral town of Samundari in Punjab province, Pakistan, in October 2005.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4762313.stm

CASH-and-carry worker Mohammed Sajid , of Jephys Street, Rochdale, was found guilty of rape, trafficking and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child.

The married father, 35, abused a string of girls at a flat in Rochdale.

He came to the UK from the same village in Pakistan as co-defendant Abdul Aziz.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rofiled-guilty-members-of-rochdale-sex-687971
CHESTER: A British Pakistani mother accused of suffocating to death her daughter, Shafilea Ahmed, for “defying her parents’ strict Pakistani culture” has denied playing any part in the killing.
Farzana, 49, said her husband Iftikhar, who allegedly held a plastic bag on the 17-year-old’s mouth until she stopped breathing, had been violent towards their daughter in the past. She had assured her eldest daughter that there was no arranged wedding waiting for her in Pakistan, Farzana told a jury at Chester Crown Court yesterday.
She offered her evidence in her native Punjabi, which was translated for the court by an interpreter

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\07\21\story_21-7-2012_pg7_13




The three men convicted today of the abduction and murder took a long while to be brought to justice because, as we now know, they fled to Pakistan.

The town of Tobateksingh is in the heart of the Punjab, about three hours' drive west from the city of Lahore.

Faisal Mushtaq and Zeeshan Shahid hid out in a small village 10 miles from Tobateksingh called village 348. They must have thought nobody but nobody would find them there. They were wrong.

Mohammed Aslam of the Tobateksingh police proves that. Late in June last year he raided the village with his police team and captured the two.


Two of the men hid in a small village 10 miles from Tobateksingh
They managed to get to the roof of the building they were in and across the roofs of neighbouring houses before fleeing to the fields nearby. But after a long struggle they were caught.

Of course what the two did not know was that their local MP Mohammed Sarwar hails from Tobateksingh so it wasn't long before he knew where they were. They thought they could escape the long arm of Scottish Justice but they couldn't.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6125660.stm

 

[mani1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NZCLMGFfmI

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Great idea....would love to meet all of you, even the ones I don't get along with. But lets forget BBQ, not your forte, I'll have some of your famous fish and chips.:umarakmal

You can't get that in Memphis? Seriously, Americans must be pretty dumb to have not exploited that gap in the market when there is clearly a demand :rondu

 

[IgnitedMind]

Definitely down for this. May actually be making a trip down south over the summer. Should plan a PP meet-up, and cricket match.

Would be absolutely hilarious to see the real-life interaction between IgnitedMind and GentleMan.

Now that will be something I will pay to watch.

Lol....You will be disappointed...and you may ask money back with interest !!! I dont argue in real life with that tone I do here.....I argue "pleasantly "..and then walk off or stop it when the tone gets even a bit serious.....and I really do not care about people's opinions like I do here...If I am here like the way I am in my real life....whole purpose of forum is lost... !!!!!

 

[IgnitedMind]

Keyboard warriors are usually shy blokes so I'd be surprised if they even look into eachother's eyes

Anything but shy .........like I said in previous post.....I dont argue in real life..and not adamant about proving my point either....think it all boils down to level of interactions...we have to deal with multi dimensional people who are part of our day to day lives at various places and some even important in our lives ...unlike here ...we have to only deal with opinions of anonymous people ..the whole perspective of talk changes !!!...but I am pretty fun ..atleast I get that vibe from my friends. or people who I hang out with...

 

[GentleMan]

Lol....You will be disappointed...and you may ask money back with interest !!! I dont argue in real life with that tone I do here.....I argue "pleasantly "..and then walk off or stop it when the tone gets even a bit serious.....and I really do not care about people's opinions like I do here...If I am here like the way I am in my real life....whole purpose of forum is lost... !!!!!

but i am like this in real life.. people hate to start any debate with me because i always have so much opinion on everything..i can see the look of regret on their faces when they think..damn why i raised this topic.

 

[Pak-Legend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NZCLMGFfmI

America has its rappers too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ncaih2wIo

 

[GentleMan]

Anything but shy .........like I said in previous post.....I dont argue in real life..and not adamant about proving my point either....think it all boils down to level of interactions...we have to deal with multi dimensional people who are part of our day to day lives at various places and some even important in our lives ...unlike here ...we have to only deal with opinions of anonymous people ..the whole perspective of talk changes !!!...but I am pretty fun ..atleast I get that vibe from my friends. or people who I hang out with...

i am also pretty fun..people ask me to repeat the same stories i have told them because they cant have enough of it..in fact during my break from PP, i made lots of friends because of the real life stories i had to tell them.. most of which i cant share on PP, because they are non veg content.

 

[mani1]

America has its rappers too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ncaih2wIo

Are they "Gangsta's" too that would fall on the floor if you bumped in to them:umarakmal

 

[Oxy'sWingMan]

America has its rappers too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ncaih2wIo

See... even the Pakistani "gangsta rap" artists in America are doctors and medical students.

 

[LethalSami]

American PP'ers are the cream of the crop....

i can't speak for all other lullos, but ur brother here is

 

[saadibaba]

You can't get that in Memphis? Seriously, Americans must be pretty dumb to have not exploited that gap in the market when there is clearly a demand :rondu

Of course you can get fish and chips anywhere and everywhere in America, was just trying to give your otherwise culinary bankrupt country some cred for being famous for 'fish and chips'. Even a compliment for Britain became a touchy subject for you....what more can be said about the insecurities of British Pakistani PPers. The evidence is there for everyone to see.

 

[James]

Looks like my words were twisted a bit, I didn't say anything about Americans, or about Britain being better, because I don't know. Just thought I would share my general experience with British Pakistanis so far.

 

[shan]

British-Pakistani Zayn Malik is part of biggest boy band. Cant think of anyone as famous American Pakistani in media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4cdfRohhcg

Infact he received quite alot of hate when he visited USA. So feel sorry for average muslim there.

 

[LethalSami]

^^^here's what americans think about that

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Of course you can get fish and chips anywhere and everywhere in America, was just trying to give your otherwise culinary bankrupt country some cred for being famous for 'fish and chips'. Even a compliment for Britain became a touchy subject for you....what more can be said about the insecurities of British Pakistani PPers. The evidence is there for everyone to see.

Yaar, in England we can find any cuisine represented by any culture, religion or ethnicity. Fish and chips isn't a big deal for us like it probably is for those living in wilderness like Memphis.

 

[shan]

^^^here's what americans think about that

For americans every muslim speak arabic and is terrorist. UK Pakistanis dont realize how easy they have in UK compared to USA.

 

[saadibaba]

Yaar, in England we can find any cuisine represented by any culture, religion or ethnicity. Fish and chips isn't a big deal for us like it probably is for those living in wilderness like Memphis.

It isnt a big deal for me too tbh, would prefer BBQ, Italian, Japanese, Thai, Chinese, Mexican etc. cuisine over deep fried fillets of tasteless white fish. Was just trying to create conversation, didn't know I was talking to sensitive sally over here. My bad....:kami

 

[SwingNSeam]

For americans every muslim speak arabic and is terrorist. UK Pakistanis dont realize how easy they have in UK compared to USA.

ummm no. Generalization fail!

 

[cricketworm]

We lack of british indian ppers, I would love to hear their views. They might be more accurate in their judgement.

But anyway, if success = happiness, clearly our US Pak. ppers are happier in general, even most of their posts are happy. ie. Teesra, SwingNSeam, Looney.

 

[SwingNSeam]

We lack of british indian ppers, I would love to hear their views. They might be more accurate in their judgement.

But anyway, if success = happiness, clearly our US Pak. ppers are happier in general, even most of their posts are happy. ie. Teesra, SwingNSeam, Looney.

Alhumdulillah (thank God)..cuz ..we the best %$^&$ #DJKhaled

 

[cricketworm]

ummm no. Generalization fail!

I am sure he knows that US has the most number of arabic people living 2nd to arabic countries itself. Actually this is the case for probably almost every country in the world. Everybody hates US, but everyone wants to eat American Pie.

 

[cricketworm]

Alhumdulillah (thank God)..cuz ..we the best %$^&$ #DJKhaled

 

[shan]

ummm no. Generalization fail!

Compared to UK? One just have to see how muslim celebraties are treated there. Many Pakistanis families has left USA, and how can one forget killing of sikhs. Just goes to show how ignorant Americans are compared to British people.

American muslims cant even dream of having their own version of Anjum in USA. If not for weather then i would have moved to UK by now.

 

[shan]

Pakistani Americans have low self esteem because eveyone who visited Pakistan is potential terrorist there. Thats why you dont see them on any media.

 

[LethalSami]

Pakistani Americans have low self esteem because eveyone who visited Pakistan is potential terrorist there. Thats why you dont see them on any media.

shan.....plz stop


you don't know whatcha talkin' about

 

[saadibaba]

Compared to UK? One just have to see how muslim celebraties are treated there. Many Pakistanis families has left USA, and how can one forget killing of sikhs. Just goes to show how ignorant Americans are compared to British people.

American muslims cant even dream of having their own version of Anjum in USA. If not for weather then i would have moved to UK by now.

Pakistani Americans have low self esteem because eveyone who visited Pakistan is potential terrorist there. Thats why you dont see them on any media.

These two stats from an earlier post by aKher should be enough to silence you.

1. Pakistani-American population doubled from 2000 (204,309) to 2010 (409,163), the second largest percentage increase after Bangladeshis' 157% increase in the same period.

So post sept. 11th, population of Pakistani didn't decrease but doubled.

2. The median household income of Pakistani-American families is nearly $63,000 versus $51,369 average for all Americans.

We make better than average. How many minority communities can make such a claim.

 

[SwingNSeam]

Shan your location says Barcelona. So how can you make generalizations about a place you dont even live in? Im not saying there aren't any people like what you stated..but categorizing all of America is wrong and false. You have people like that everywhere, and its not exclusive to the States.

 

[Oxy'sWingMan]

If Shan's posts are any indication, Spanish-Pakistanis must be the most misinformed and deluded of all.

 

[Buffet]

For americans every muslim speak arabic and is terrorist.

Do you live in some wilderness with town of 100 people? How did you come to that conclusion?

On lighter note: You do belong in UK ...

 

[saadibaba]

How many successful Pakistani businessmen and entrepreneurs have Britain produced.

Other than Shahid Khan we have:

Michael Chowdry (1955–2001) – Forbes 400 businessman and later the founder of air cargo company Atlas Air which in 2001 was worth in excess of $1.39 billion.

Fred Hassan – was the Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of pharmaceutical company Schering-Plough from 2003 until November 3, 2009 when the company completed its merger with Merck & Co.

Safi Qureshey – Former CEO and co-founder of AST Research (a fortune-500 company with revenues in excess of 2.5 billion USD).

And many more.......

 

[saadibaba]

If Shan's posts are any indication, Spanish-Pakistanis must be the most misinformed and deluded of all.

Do you live in some wilderness with town of 100 people? How did you come to that conclusion?

On lighter note: You do belong in UK ...

)

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

I think u will find that many of the ' british pakistansi" are actually kashmiris who are giving PAkistani's a bad name

Perhaps if you learnt to spell you could start repairing the damaged reputation we have caused you to have?

 

[saadibaba]

Wealth

Despite high poverty rates, a report for the national equality panel found that British Pakistani households have an estimated median total wealth of £97,000, placing them in third place out of the major ethnic groups in the UK.[138] The statistics show the following:

Ethnic group Median total wealth
White British £221,000
Indian £204,000
Pakistani £97,000
Black Caribbean £76,000
Other Asian £50,000
Black African £21,000
Bangladeshi £15,000

Poverty
Statistics from the 2001 census show that Pakistani communities in England, particularly in the North and the Midlands, are severely affected by poverty, unemployment and social exclusion, and that they are much less likely to be employed in managerial and professional occupations.[19][33] Conversely, there were around 100 British Pakistani millionaires in 2001, representing a variety of industries.[136][137] Statistics compiled by the Department for Education and Skills show that almost 40 per cent of Pakistani students in secondary schools are eligible for free school meals, compared to a national average of 15 per cent.[19] A study by Joseph Rowntree Foundation in 2007 found that Pakistani Britons have the second highest relative poverty rates in Britain, ahead only of Bangladeshis.[12] Their study found the following:

Ethnic group Percentage in poverty
Bangladeshi 65%
Pakistani 55%
Black African 45%
Black Caribbean 30%
Indian 25%
White Other 25%
White British 20%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pakistanis

 

[mani1]

How many successful Pakistani businessmen and entrepreneurs have Britain produced.

Other than Shahid Khan we have:

Michael Chowdry (1955–2001) – Forbes 400 businessman and later the founder of air cargo company Atlas Air which in 2001 was worth in excess of $1.39 billion.

Fred Hassan – was the Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of pharmaceutical company Schering-Plough from 2003 until November 3, 2009 when the company completed its merger with Merck & Co.

Safi Qureshey – Former CEO and co-founder of AST Research (a fortune-500 company with revenues in excess of 2.5 billion USD).

And many more.......

Sir Anwar Pervez

Zameer Chaudrey

Mumtaz

Akbars

KCB

Enkhanz

amongst many many more

 

[shan]

These two stats from an earlier post by aKher should be enough to silence you.

1. Pakistani-American population doubled from 2000 (204,309) to 2010 (409,163), the second largest percentage increase after Bangladeshis' 157% increase in the same period.

So post sept. 11th, population of Pakistani didn't decrease but doubled.

2. The median household income of Pakistani-American families is nearly $63,000 versus $51,369 average for all Americans.

We make better than average. How many minority communities can make such a claim.

But you guys are not accepted in main stream. For them you are potential terrorist and speak arabic. Even in hollywood they show Pakistani people speaking arabic and dressing like arabs riding camels.

Show me one Pakistani American who have got as much succes like Zayn Malik as a singer. Integration isnt just about being taxi drivers in NY. Infact this is what they said about Zayn when he visited USA.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=156521

Another difference i see is UK ppers are quite critical of Pakistani comunity but Pakistani americans only have good things to say about their comunity. Just like Indian ppers here who get defensive when it comes to any negative Indian news.

Sorry but USA still have a long way to go before coming anywhere near close to UK when it comes to treatment of muslims. I mean in 2005 there were 700.000 Pakistanis and the way Pakistani breed it should be over million by now. But still no political voice in USA unlike in UK. Not even someone like Anjum to represent extremist section of Pakistani comunity.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

oh, i didnt have direct contact with american pakistanis either..i meant internet only. look at american ppers..saadibaba, W63L35, LethalSami, Justarslan, Looney..all cook, easy going people.

and look at british pakistanis..namak halaal, kkwc, great khan, captain rishwat.. all having some bitterness. and dear sir, internet forums do count, because people are most honest here. in fact real life experience doesnt count, because people are politically correct.

That's such a generalisation. .....

Have you thought to consider that each individual is a product of their environment?

You have easy going Britpaks and vice versa in the US.

And that in their own ways those Britpaks you mentioned might have other strengths that outweighs easy goingness?

You should only judge people by what they achieve themselves given the environment they are in.

Another poster mentioned the historical background of those that have settled in the US and the UK... it plays a big role in how the community develops.

 

[SwingNSeam]

lol so Zayn Malik is your basis for the generalization.

 

[SwingNSeam]

People in Ohio hate Lebron because he left them to go Play for Miami, Florida.Same country, different state...so does that mean they hate tall black american athletes now too?

 

[mani1]

Wealth

Despite high poverty rates, a report for the national equality panel found that British Pakistani households have an estimated median total wealth of £97,000, placing them in third place out of the major ethnic groups in the UK.[138] The statistics show the following:

Ethnic group Median total wealth
White British £221,000
Indian £204,000
Pakistani £97,000
Black Caribbean £76,000
Other Asian £50,000
Black African £21,000
Bangladeshi £15,000

Poverty
Statistics from the 2001 census show that Pakistani communities in England, particularly in the North and the Midlands, are severely affected by poverty, unemployment and social exclusion, and that they are much less likely to be employed in managerial and professional occupations.[19][33] Conversely, there were around 100 British Pakistani millionaires in 2001, representing a variety of industries.[136][137] Statistics compiled by the Department for Education and Skills show that almost 40 per cent of Pakistani students in secondary schools are eligible for free school meals, compared to a national average of 15 per cent.[19] A study by Joseph Rowntree Foundation in 2007 found that Pakistani Britons have the second highest relative poverty rates in Britain, ahead only of Bangladeshis.[12] Their study found the following:

Ethnic group Percentage in poverty
Bangladeshi 65%
Pakistani 55%
Black African 45%
Black Caribbean 30%
Indian 25%
White Other 25%
White British 20%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pakistanis

"The per capita income of Pakistanis is lower than the average. The former amounts to $20,585 and the latter to $25,035.

We should also note that the 14.9% poverty ratio among American Pakistanis is higher than the average of 10.2%"

http://ir.ide.go.jp/dspace/bitstream/2344/839/1/196_oda.pdf

So the US Pak poverty ratio is almost 50% more than the national average.

If the Bengali population was around 30% like the Hispanic and Black is in the US Brit Paks would be doing a lot better too.

Also post the real links not wiki as Punjabis have a habit of lying about how prosperous they are in London even though the oficial government figures state only Bengalis are worse off than them.

 

[shan]

Do you live in some wilderness with town of 100 people? How did you come to that conclusion?

On lighter note: You do belong in UK ...

Internets are full of these reports. If living in one country is neccesary to discuss about that country then lets shut down time pass section. I just think American Pakistani have chip on their shulders for no apparent reasons at all. Especially when they are treated quite badly compared to British Pakistanis. Since i never visited UK but from reports it seem its easly the 2nd best country for muslims in west after Spain.

You guys in America right now expect that treatment and discrimination for being muslms. So for you it will seem all right but in other western countries things are not as bad.

 

[Buffet]

But you guys are not accepted in main stream. For them you are potential terrorist and speak arabic.

I mean in 2005 there were 700.000 Pakistanis and the way Pakistani breed it should be over million by now. But still no political voice in USA unlike in UK. Not even someone like Anjum to represent extremist section of Pakistani comunity.

Everyone in America is accepted in main stream. You are now making as much sense as some of the nutcases who we see in PP. I have seen some who were supporting killing people over insulting Prophet. I don't know if they were Brit Pak but your rant belongs in that group.

And about breeding. May be American Pakistani are trying to get out of habit of breeding like their counterparts.

 

[Buffet]

Internets are full of these reports. If living in one country is neccesary to discuss about that country then lets shut down time pass section. I just think American Pakistani have chip on their shulders for no apparent reasons at all. Especially when they are treated quite badly compared to British Pakistanis. Since i never visited UK but from reports it seem its easly the 2nd best country for muslims in west after Spain.

You guys in America right now expect that treatment and discrimination for being muslms. So for you it will seem all right but in other western countries things are not as bad.

I don't have any firm opinion about Brit Pakistanis even though they are in news for lot of stupid things. I was only talking about American Pakistani because I happen to know plenty of them. I even go to Eid celebration. I chat with many shopkeepers who are connected to Pakistan. You need to read up Forbes or Wall Street Journal to find out what Shahid khan , an american Pakistani, thinks about opportunities for everyone in America. You may want to just look him up in Google to get you interested.

Sorry for poking fun at you but you were making no sense at all with your assumptions about American Pakistani and other Americans. There are some nut cases everywhere but overall US is very open for everyone irrespective of their religion, origin, gender or sexual orientations. If you haven't lived there it's fine but at least try to read up a bit to see environment in US. Reading up involves not only looking up for news reports of few getting bad end of deal after 9-11. You need to see over all big picture. Your conclusion about American Pakistani is far from reality. They are very vibrant and successful bunch here. Mostly integrated in mainstream.

I don't have any firm opinion on Brit Pakistani because neither I have lived there nor done any reading on this. I do see some negative news reports time to time but that doesn't tell me how they are doing over all.

 

[mani1]

London

 

[shan]

Everyone in America is accepted in main stream. You are now making as much sense as some of the nutcases who we see in PP. I have seen some who were supporting killing people over insulting Prophet. I don't know if they were Brit Pak but your rant belongs in that group.

And about breeding. May be American Pakistani are trying to get out of habit of breeding like their counterparts.

Did you just say i will support killing of fellow human being over some insults? Are you out of your mind? This is what happens to american muslims. They are also programmed to think that their fellow muslims are potential terrorists.

 

[SwingNSeam]

Internets are full of these reports. If living in one country is neccesary to discuss about that country then lets shut down time pass section. I just think American Pakistani have chip on their shulders for no apparent reasons at all. Especially when they are treated quite badly compared to British Pakistanis. Since i never visited UK but from reports it seem its easly the 2nd best country for muslims in west after Spain.

You guys in America right now expect that treatment and discrimination for being muslms. So for you it will seem all right but in other western countries things are not as bad.

So ya think I walk into a Pizza joint expecting to be discriminated against and what not?And Im still happy?

 

[shan]

I don't have any firm opinion about Brit Pakistanis even though they are in news for lot of stupid things. I was only talking about American Paksitani because I happen to know plenty of them. I even go to Eid celebration. I chat with many shopkeepers who are connected to Pakistan. You need to read up Forbes or Wall Street Journal to find out what Shahid khan , an american Pakistani, thinks about opportunities for everyone in America. You may want to just look him up in Google to get you interested.

Sorry for poking fun at you but you were making no sense at all with your assumptions about American Pakistani.

Your comment about me supporting killing other human being proved my point about americans in general.

 

[SwingNSeam]

Great Buffet...you caused another generalization against American-Pakistani's!

 

[SwingNSeam]

Your comment about me supporting killing other human being proved my point about americans in general.

Why would you only accept negative things and not focus ont he positive things others have said?

 

[mani1]

Pakistanis pose as Indians after NY bomb scare

(Reuters) - Pakistani merchants and job seekers in the United States, still reeling from economic hardship since the September 11 attacks of 2001, are posing as Indians to avoid discrimination in the wake of the Times Square bomb attempt.

Once again, a man of Pakistani descent is at the center of a security story, leading to backlash against the Pakistani-American community.

Faisal Shahzad, 30, a naturalized American born in Pakistan, was arrested on Monday, two days after authorities say he parked a crude car bomb in New York's busy Times Square.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/07/us-timessquare-backlash-idUSTRE64655Y20100507

 

[shan]

Yep, in Buffet mind Shan is muslim and didnt agree with me so must be nut case and ready to blow up.

 

[shan]

Why would you only accept negative things and not focus ont he positive things others have said?

Im done with him, this is the way americans in general think about Pakistani muslims. Recently some nut case american killed sikhs in Gurdawara thinking they were all muslims.

 

[SwingNSeam]

Im done with him, this is the way americans in general think about Pakistani muslims. Recently some nut case american killed sikhs in Gurdawara thinking they were all muslims.

Yes, and that was sad.

Recently, some nut case dressed up as joker openly fired at people at the movies watching batman. Killings happen everywhere! But its not exclusive to America, again. You think Europe in general is free from hatred crime? Still you dont see me generalizing ALL of Europe (even thou its a whole continent).

 

[SwingNSeam]

(Reuters) - Pakistani merchants and job seekers in the United States, still reeling from economic hardship since the September 11 attacks of 2001, are posing as Indians to avoid discrimination in the wake of the Times Square bomb attempt.

Once again, a man of Pakistani descent is at the center of a security story, leading to backlash against the Pakistani-American community.

Faisal Shahzad, 30, a naturalized American born in Pakistan, was arrested on Monday, two days after authorities say he parked a crude car bomb in New York's busy Times Square.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/07/us-timessquare-backlash-idUSTRE64655Y20100507

That's kind of false. How is that going to help their cause? If they think of Sikhs as Muslims, then how is posing as regular indians going to help?

As I said before there are cases like these to an extent...but its not cool to generalize and think of america as the Muslim hating country.

 

[shan]

Yes, and that was sad.

Recently, some nut case dressed up as joker openly fired at people at the movies watching batman. Killings happen everywhere! But its not exclusive to America, again. You think Europe in general is free from hatred crime? Still you dont see me generalizing ALL of Europe (even thou its a whole continent).

I was just comparing UK to USA and how Pakistani muslims are treated in general. I clearly see that UK muslims have much more freedom compared to Pakistani americans.

 

[SwingNSeam]

I was just comparing UK to USA and how Pakistani muslims are treated in general. I clearly see that UK muslims have much more freedom compared to Pakistani americans.

ok!

nice profile pic btw

 

[Buffet]

Your comment about me supporting killing other human being proved my point about americans in general.

Did you just say i will support killing of fellow human being over some insults? Are you out of your mind? This is what happens to american muslims. They are also programmed to think that their fellow muslims are potential terrorists.

I said : "your rant belongs in that group."

I didn't say that you are supporting the killing of human over some insults. I should have been more clear. You are ranting about American seeing all Muslims as Arabs and terrorists. This rant belongs in same class as some people ranting about killing a human being over insulting Prophet. Both are clueless and dangerous for well being of society.

 

[Buffet]

Yep, in Buffet mind Shan is muslim and didnt agree with me so must be nut case and ready to blow up.

You see. This is what I was saying about rant being in certain class. How did you come to this conclusion?

I clearly see that UK muslims have much more freedom compared to Pakistani americans.

Give 3-4 examples of rules or situations which makes it less freedom for Pakistani Americans when compared to any other place let alone UK Pakistani?

 

[Pak-Legend]

 

[LethalSami]

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y'all can't even touch his stash

 

[ehjaz]

I have noticed that British Pakistanis have segregated themselves from the mainstream communities and live isolated more like ghettos. Do not get offended by the word ghettos, just look up how it was originated. In order to be integral part of a system, one has to understand the characteristics of it and be compatible to be able to fit in. It could only happen through higher education and getting into mainstream job market and be productive of that society. Unfortunately they lack all those skills (majority of them).

 

[Zechariah]

People who came to Britain were not the same as the ones who came to USA and Canada. The ones that came to Britain came mostly as labor from the textile industry and when new dams were being made in Pakistan they also moved there from kashmir and other areas.

The ones that came to the US and Canada though for the most part were people who were engineers, doctors, highly educated class. The upbringing was different and so was the education levels. Thats why incomes are higher for North American dispora because they were different people.

That is not to say that UK dispora did not work hard and succeed - they did! Lots of wealthy Pakistanis in the UK who have their own businesses but education levels have remained low. Its the new generation in the UK that is taking univeristy seriously. But it was more hardship and struggle and then lot more issues in the further generations on drugs and what nots! Whereas in the US it was mainly people working in highly qualified fields and having different types of businesses ad for the most part the new generation has stayed away from drugs and things of such sort.

Same thing with Canada with the fact that you can only get immigration to Canada if you have some form of higher education so clearly different crowd came to Canada in the 90s and 2000s.

They are successful in their own ways. But North American dispora has way higher education levels.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

People who came to Britain were not the same as the ones who came to USA and Canada. The ones that came to Britain came mostly as labor from the textile industry and when new dams were being made in Pakistan they also moved there from kashmir and other areas.

The ones that came to the US and Canada though for the most part were people who were engineers, doctors, highly educated class. The upbringing was different and so was the education levels. Thats why incomes are higher for North American dispora because they were different people.

That is not to say that UK dispora did not work hard and succeed - they did! Lots of wealthy Pakistanis in the UK who have their own businesses but education levels have remained low. Its the new generation in the UK that is taking univeristy seriously. But it was more hardship and struggle and then lot more issues in the further generations on drugs and what nots! Whereas in the US it was mainly people working in highly qualified fields and having different types of businesses ad for the most part the new generation has stayed away from drugs and things of such sort.

Same thing with Canada with the fact that you can only get immigration to Canada if you have some form of higher education so clearly different crowd came to Canada in the 90s and 2000s.

They are successful in their own ways. But North American dispora has way higher education levels.

That effectively describes it ....

 

[GentleMan]

despite American Pakistanis being less in number compared to their UK counterparts ( for every 100 british pakistani, there are 58 american pakistanis)..they send more remittance to Pakistan. you can check the data here http://www.sbp.org.pk/ecodata/Homeremit.pdf

surely they are more beneficial to Pakistan.