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Could Jasprit Bumrah be India's greatest ever bowler?

People will find ways to play him. He will then have to find new ways to get them out.

Yes he has shown the ability to find new skills by unleashing a very potent outswinger. Something Holding said he cannot bowl.

But i will only judge him after he has taken more wickets.

the guy can bowl all types of variations. He has all the tools and skills plus pace to be one of the greatest ever.
He is unpredictable. He has the outswinger, inswinger, killer absolute brutal bouncer, seaming ability, slow ball, Yorker etc.

A complete bowler. I normally never praise a bowler until I have seen his skillset. He is just incredible. I have never seen anything like him since bond.
 
Its a shame that people are low key hoping for an injury to a once in a lifetime sportsperson. This guy has posted the same nonsense on two different threads.

Where's the nonsense?
It's a legitimate question. Bumrah has a very unorthodox action and it will be difficult for him to sustain it

And lol at once in a life time. The gut doesn't even have 100 test wickets yet and you're calling him once in a lifetime. Just goes on to show how low your bowling standards have been. Well, as you have a world beater in your team now you should hope that he keeps playing.
 
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He's still a nobody for all time debates until he takes 150 wickets in both tests and ODI. Longevity is one of the two requirements of being an ATG (other is performance). Bumrah so far has only met one requirement and unlike to meet the other. There's a reason why Cook and Anderson are praised so much despite their only decent stats. Longevity earns respect forever from everybody.


What makes you think Bumrah is unlikely to meet the longeivity criteria?
 
Could be? Yes.
Will be? There is long way to go.
He hasnt played that many matches to be compared with vetrans having played 100+ matches for india.

While he is as brilliant as they can get,his action sure will create fitness issues,if he overcomes that there is no reason to why he cant make it!
 
I think he became greatest Indian fast bowler 2 years ago.
Some of the Indian posters already stated that. According to them Bumra is far better than Marshal, Lilee, Walsh, Ambrose, Botham,Kapil, Shoaib, Waqar.....
 
I think he became greatest Indian fast bowler 2 years ago.
Some of the Indian posters already stated that. According to them Bumra is far better than Marshal, Lilee, Walsh, Ambrose, Botham,Kapil, Shoaib, Waqar.....

So far Bumrah has out bowled Wasim, Waqar abroad. Akhtar isn't even close.
 
Don't understand the point of this silly thread about 'being India's greatest ever' when he's already World #1 bowler currently! There's none like Bumrah in world cricket across all formats currently! A true Champ and India is blessed to have such champions represent the country!
 
So far Bumrah has out bowled Wasim, Waqar abroad. Akhtar isn't even close.

Bumra should be called then "Sultan of swing". With 62 wickets he has already known better bowler than Wasim, Waqar, Walsh, Lilee, Ambrose, Marshal.
Is Mcgrath any compare to Bumra?
 
Don't understand the point of this silly thread about 'being India's greatest ever' when he's already World #1 bowler currently! There's none like Bumrah in world cricket across all formats currently! A true Champ and India is blessed to have such champions represent the country!

One of the poster already mentioned Bumra is better bowler than Wasim and Waqar.
Didn't know Wasim was that bad bowler
 
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Bumrah is the best bowler ever produced in Asia. Simply beautiful to watch in motion. Its like seeing a cho cho train running down the tracks of batsmen. I wish Bumrah was Pakistani.
 
Bumrah is the best bowler ever produced in Asia. Simply beautiful to watch in motion. Its like seeing a cho cho train running down the tracks of batsmen. I wish Bumrah was Pakistani.

I think he is the best bowler ever produced in the World. Because some posters already mentioned bowlers in 80s or 60s are over rated.
May be he can give valuable tips to our bowling coach Waqar how to teach our young fast bowlers.
 
So far Bumrah has out bowled Wasim, Waqar abroad. Akhtar isn't even close.

With 60 test wickets he's better than bowlers with over 400 test wickets?

With barely a hundred odi wickets he's now better than bowlers with over 500 wickets?

"Better abroad" :)))

The delusion is so real. Bumrah's career is not going to last very long. It's my prediction if you think I'm wishing harm on him, I don't even give a...

With his action, I'd be surprised if he makes it to 200 test wickets If I'm honest let alone 400
 
With 60 test wickets he's better than bowlers with over 400 test wickets?

With barely a hundred odi wickets he's now better than bowlers with over 500 wickets?

"Better abroad" :)))

The delusion is so real. Bumrah's career is not going to last very long. It's my prediction if you think I'm wishing harm on him, I don't even give a...

With his action, I'd be surprised if he makes it to 200 test wickets If I'm honest let alone 400

I heard the same words about Bumrah's career during CT 2017 in the same forum. Ironically all the CT superhereos Hasan Alis, Faheem Ashrafs disappeared in thin air while Burmah is standing tall at #1 currently. So yeah! What you guys predict in this forum have always worked well for Indian bowlers and they let their work talk. Check out Harsha's latest Video on Cricbuzz to know how many bowlers has Pakistan tried in the last 2 years. That's the sad state of Pak cricket currently. Lol at you Loling you at Indian bowlers!
 
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I heard the same words about Bumrah's career during CT 2017 in the same forum. Ironically all the CT superhereos Hasan Alis, Faheem Ashrafs disappeared in thin air while Burmah is standing tall at #1 currently. So yeah! What you guys predict in this forum have always worked well for Indian bowlers and they let their work talk. Check out Harsha's latest Video on Cricbuzz to know how many bowlers has Pakistan tried in the last 2 years. That's the sad state of Pak cricket currently. Lol at you Loling you at Indian bowlers!

So?
Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it won't happen.

Also, stop butting in if you don't know what the conversation was about.

And lol at you getting triggered.
 
wasim is a legit great. A GOAT.
waqar not so much. poor record vs some big teams.

shoaib is a great bowler but poor r3cord vs the good teams.
 
With 60 test wickets he's better than bowlers with over 400 test wickets?

With barely a hundred odi wickets he's now better than bowlers with over 500 wickets?

"Better abroad" :)))

The delusion is so real. Bumrah's career is not going to last very long. It's my prediction if you think I'm wishing harm on him, I don't even give a...

With his action, I'd be surprised if he makes it to 200 test wickets If I'm honest let alone 400

Lucky he didn't say Padiya is a better bowler than Wasim and Waqar
 
As others have mentioned above, His action is not sustainable and a single major injury can end his career.

The best experts in the world will be advising Bumrah on how to sustain himself. Already he has visited UK once.

The recent injury was his first in 4 years of international cricket. This too was picked up not because Bumrah complained of anything. But because BCCI has put in a protocol to have him undergo tests on a routine basis.

Every thing humanely possible will be done to keep him fit.
 
The best experts in the world will be advising Bumrah on how to sustain himself. Already he has visited UK once.

The recent injury was his first in 4 years of international cricket. This too was picked up not because Bumrah complained of anything. But because BCCI has put in a protocol to have him undergo tests on a routine basis.

Every thing humanely possible will be done to keep him fit.

How's he going to sustain himself?
By changing his action?
That's not possible because with his type of action there are no other variations.
 
Bit of an anti-climactic comeback but understandable after injury.
 
Too much hype for a comeback, hopefully gets his rhythm back as we desperately need his skills.
 
Pace spearhead Jasprit Bumrah on Friday became India’s highest wicket-taker in the T20 Internationals after he dismissed Sri Lankan opener Danushka Gunathilaka in third and final T20 series against Sri Lanka in Pune.

Bumrah has now 53 T20 wickets to his name from 45 T20 internationals. Wrist-spinner Yuzvendra Chahal (52 wickets from 37 matches) and ace off spinner Ravichandran Ashwin (52 wickets from 46 matches) are the joint second highest on the list.

Bumrah, who was injured, returned to international cricket from the ongoing series against Sri Lanka. He had figures of 1/32 in the second T20 at Indore, which the hosts had won by seven wickets. The Gujarat pacer returned with figures of 1-5 in two overs in the third and final game here and made his comeback a memorable one.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...er-in-t20is/story-814Q2EFdGhO8MXUm9xKBaP.html
 
Jasprit Bumrah, Poonam Yadav set to receive top BCCI awards

India fast bowler Jasprit Bumrah was named the recipient of the Polly Umrigar Award, while Poonam Yadav was honoured as the best female international cricketer.

Bumrah was in phenomenal form in Test cricket over in the 2018/19 season, picking up 21 wickets from four games in the team's historic 2-1 series triumph in Australia before taking 13 wickets at a staggering 9.23 in two Tests in the Caribbean, including a hat-trick.

He also enjoyed a good period in the limited-overs formats, including a haul of 18 wickets from nine matches in the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup 2019 at an average of 20.61 and an economy rate of 4.41.

By winning the Polly Umrigar Award for being the best performer in men's cricket for India, he breaks Kohli's four-year streak, who won the top honour each season since 2014/15.

Meanwhile, Poonam Yadav was honoured with the award for the best performer for India in women's cricket. She picked up 14 wickets from eight one-day internationals during the period at 20.21 and also took 20 wickets from 15 T20Is at an average of under 19.

K Srikkanth and Anjum Chopra were given the lifetime achievement honours in the men's and women's categories respectively.

Srikkanth, a flamboyant batsman, scored 2,062 runs at 29.88 from 43 Tests, including two centuries. He also made 4,091 runs from 146 ODIs at an average of 29.01.

Anjum Chopra played 12 Tests, scoring 548 runs at an average of 30.44 and made 2,856 runs from 127 ODIs at 31.38. While she was a fine batter, her contributions as captain were also noteworthy.

Under her leadership, India won their first Test on foreign soil against South Africa in Parl in March 2002 with Chopra herself scoring a solid first-innings 80.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1569738
 
Looks like he's taken a pasting today

50 off 7 overs....not that impressive.
 
Wl take him a while to get back to rhythm but the boy is special no two ways about it.
 
Has he modified his action to avoid further injury or bowling with the same action?
 
Statistically he is already India's best pacer with 100+ ODI wickets and 50+ test wickets. Though with his action sustainability will always be a concern as I have mentioned quite a few times before as well.
 
I don't give a Damn about his odi performances unless it's in the world cup. As long as he performs in tests it's all good.
 
Was a major difference between two sides irrespective of the wickets. Getting back his form slowly..
 
Was a major difference between two sides irrespective of the wickets. Getting back his form slowly..

Nope Shami was the main man took the wickets of Warner,Smith,Bumrah bowled well but still finding his form.
 
wasim is a legit great. A GOAT.
waqar not so much. poor record vs some big teams.

shoaib is a great bowler but poor r3cord vs the good teams.

Don't be silly, waqar pre stress fractures had insane strike rate and was a beast, he still finished with excellent stats, his best performances were on flat roads
 
Looks a bad injury for Bumrah in 1st T20I v NZ
 
“Bumrah is a class act. It took him 2-3 matches to come back to full rhythm. Some bowlers take their time when they come out from injuries. He took a couple of series but today he looked a class apart. 3 for 12 was just superb. Bumrah won’t let you score 25-30 runs in the death overs. Saini and Shardul were good too but I think Bumrah is the X-factor of the Indian side,” Akhtar said on his Youtube channel.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...eries-sweep/story-IdVXYNtG8M33vOOcTglP5H.html
 
"How can people forget Jasprit Bumrah's numerous match-winning performances just after a couple of indifferent ODI games?," asked a miffed Mohammed Shami on Saturday to counter the criticism levelled at his new ball partner. Bumrah went wicketless in all three of India's defeats against New Zealand with questions being raised over his performance. "I can understand we are discussing on a topic (after a certain length of time) not just after 2-4 games. Just because he hasn't performed in two games, you can't just ignore his ability to win matches," said Shami after the second day's play in the warm-up game against New Zealand XI.

"What Bumrah has achieved for India, how can you even forget that or for that matter ignore it? So if you think positively, then it's good for the player and his confidence also," Bumrah's senior partner said after taking an impressive 3 for 18 against New Zealand XI.

The veteran pacer didn't forget to take a dig at critics who he feels have a job to comment, forgetting that Bumrah is coming back from a stress fracture on his lower back.

"As a sportsman, it's very different. From outside, it is very easy to nitpick as some have a job to comment and earn money. Every sportsman can get injured and one should try and look at the positives rather than harp on negatives. I also got injured in 2015 (knee surgery) but then bounced back," Shami said.

What baffles Shami is how people's perception changes if a player goes through a sudden slump in form. "People tend to think very differently and when you do not do well for a few games, their view point about you changes. So on our part, we shouldn't over-think."

Easily the most versatile bowler in the current line-up, Shami enjoys the mantle of an elder statesman who is ready to mentor the likes of Navdeep Saini.

Asked about what kind of role experience plays, the Bengal speedster replied: "Experience matters as you then don't panic easily. You have faced different situations and know what to do. That is valuable.

"So when an experienced player is around and you bring a youngster, he matures quickly. So in our team, we guide our youngsters, joke and laugh with them, make them feel comfortable so that they don't feel that there is a distance between seniors and juniors."

He was all praise for Saini, who has been a find for India in white-ball cricket.

"He is young, he has got talent, pace and height. So there are benefits. But yes, someone has to guide him and take him along the way. He needs support. He is bowling well but no one possesses experience straightaway. It comes with passage of time.

"Hopefully, it will come soon and we seniors are there to help him." Having been the best Indian bowler on view during the second day of the warm-up game, Shami seemed happy with kind of track that was on offer.

"It was a bit green and the wicket was damp on the first day compared to the second day. Yesterday (First Day) morning, it was challenging and we wanted to take up that challenge. Today it was drier compared to yesterday, with cloud cover, the conditions became helpful.

"There was good bounce and carry, so felt good bowling on a track. These kind of tracks are a rarity and since we have pacers of that calibre, we reaped its benefits."

For someone with an enviable quality of hitting the seam with ease, Shami said that it was an art that he learnt through sheer hardwork and passion.

"When you start working on something, you develop a passion that you have to achieve. I never thought that I will start developing a great seam position but when I realised that a good seam position can help, I just worked on it.

"By God's grace, now I can do whatever I want with the seam. If you want to achieve something, passion is pre-requisite. You have to chase that," he added.

https://sports.ndtv.com/new-zealand...-winning-ability-2180627?pfrom=home-sshowcase
 
when shami retires I want him to become the bowling coach. Shami is every bit as good as Mitchell Johnson. So underrated. Phenomenal bowler.
 
NZ did well to just not give him wickets and take on other bowlers. When you start becoming a world class bowlers, more batsmen will be conservative against you.
 
NZ did well to just not give him wickets and take on other bowlers. When you start becoming a world class bowlers, more batsmen will be conservative against you.

Uhh, he was smashed all around the park lmao

What are you on about? Fenta lag gaya Bumrah ko ;)
 
How can you compare johnson and shami both are altogether different type of bowlers

why can't we compare lol? shami is the king of second innings. He has the best average in the world in the second innings.

Mitch has a higher average speed but shami has incredible seam position had his more accurate with the old ball and new ball too. Both have mean bouncers. Shami has some serious bounce ability.
 
why can't we compare lol? shami is the king of second innings. He has the best average in the world in the second innings.

Mitch has a higher average speed but shami has incredible seam position had his more accurate with the old ball and new ball too. Both have mean bouncers. Shami has some serious bounce ability.
lol johnson is about 10cm taller quicker in pace also shami relies on reverse swing while johnson had more tools than shami
 
lol johnson is about 10cm taller quicker in pace also shami relies on reverse swing while johnson had more tools than shami

loool u serious? mitchell Johnson bowls a grand total of 3 kmph faster. shami bowl a 138/139 om average.

Johnson bowls 142 max on average. 141 more like. Starc is faster.

shami is a better bowler overall with more skills. Shami is excellent with the new ball as well. shami has the best seam position.

I know who I would choose between the two on non Australian wickets. His name sure isn't Johnson.
 
loool u serious? mitchell Johnson bowls a grand total of 3 kmph faster. shami bowl a 138/139 om average.

Johnson bowls 142 max on average. 141 more like. Starc is faster.

shami is a better bowler overall with more skills. Shami is excellent with the new ball as well. shami has the best seam position.

I know who I would choose between the two on non Australian wickets. His name sure isn't Johnson.

Are you kidding me
 
Are you kidding me

kidding me? why not. their averages are not much different. shami is in fact better. Averages are not everything though I know but shami is better in every condition except in australia compared to Mitch.

shami is a great bowler. The amount of disrespect here rofl.
 
Definitely better than any Indian fast bowler ever (but that is not too difficult!). I guess Kumble would probably be one of India’s best ever bowlers?
 
He probably already is. But....look at the competition 😂

imran and wasim. 2 Asian Goats.

rest are all comparable. Waqar was a tad overrated. Look at his averages vs top sides away. shoaib massively overrated.

Shami will be the third best pacer of Asia easily now. Playing in a batting friendly era and still dominating.

bumrah will be there in the future.
 
This match will be his biggest test after injury. Not easy to put in a shift over multiple days after getting injured. Let's see how he holds up.
 
imran and wasim. 2 Asian Goats.

rest are all comparable. Waqar was a tad overrated. Look at his averages vs top sides away. shoaib massively overrated.

Shami will be the third best pacer of Asia easily now. Playing in a batting friendly era and still dominating.

bumrah will be there in the future.

Ridiculous comment. Shami is not in the top-15 Asian pacers. However, you could make a case for him being in India's all-time XIs.
 
Bumrah is 26 years old and has 62 Test wickets.

Shaheen Shah Afridi is 19 years old and has 30 Test wickets.

Bumrah is superb, but half his career is already behind him and he’s hardly taken any Test wickets at all.
 
imran and wasim. 2 Asian Goats.

rest are all comparable. Waqar was a tad overrated. Look at his averages vs top sides away. shoaib massively overrated.

Shami will be the third best pacer of Asia easily now. Playing in a batting friendly era and still dominating.

bumrah will be there in the future.

Lol You mean Shami > Waqar and Fazal Mehmood?

Even Akhtar is better than Shami tbh and arguably Asif too if you put 100 wicket threshold
 
Lol You mean Shami > Waqar and Fazal Mehmood?

Even Akhtar is better than Shami tbh and arguably Asif too if you put 100 wicket threshold

He loves overrating Indian players but no surprising though everyone loves to overrate their country players.
 
Shami is 30 this year and hasn’t even got 200 Test wickets!

He averages the wrong side of 30 in Australia, England and New Zealand.

Bumrah and Shami have so terribly few wickets under their belt for their advanced age. They both need to take 50 Test wickets per year every year for the next four years to have any legacy at all.
 
Shami is 30 this year and hasn’t even got 200 Test wickets!

He averages the wrong side of 30 in Australia, England and New Zealand.

Bumrah and Shami have so terribly few wickets under their belt for their advanced age. They both need to take 50 Test wickets per year every year for the next four years to have any legacy at all.
Shoaib Akthar also didnt have 200 wickets in Test. So do you consider him as pedestrian bowler too?
Shami outbowled much taller Australian bowlers at their own home in the last series something which no Asian bowler has ever done. That alone should make him and Bumrah legends.
 
Shoaib Akthar also didnt have 200 wickets in Test. So do you consider him as pedestrian bowler too?
Shami outbowled much taller Australian bowlers at their own home in the last series something which no Asian bowler has ever done. That alone should make him and Bumrah legends.

All credit to Shami but he was bowling to one of the worst Aussie batting units ever which was low on confidence

You don’t become legend based on one series. Whole career counts

Having said that I count Shami an indian great and on on par with Shoaib in tests because of logetevity

Bumrah has got a lot to prove he’s in infancy of his test career
 
Bumrah is 26 years old and has 62 Test wickets.

Shaheen Shah Afridi is 19 years old and has 30 Test wickets.

Bumrah is superb, but half his career is already behind him and he’s hardly taken any Test wickets at all.

Ishant is 32 and getting better every day.

Shami has been brilliant from last few years.
 
All credit to Shami but he was bowling to one of the worst Aussie batting units ever which was low on confidence

You don’t become legend based on one series. Whole career counts

Having said that I count Shami an indian great and on on par with Shoaib in tests because of logetevity

Bumrah has got a lot to prove he’s in infancy of his test career
Yes, their batting was weak but they never lost a series to India before that and massively strong at their own home especially against Asian teams. I remember an almost-done Ponting who struggled in the previous series against Engalnd smashing Indian bowlers in 2012 for fun. So, confidence was never an issue for Aussies against Asian teams at their own home. And remember, he took all those wickets on pattas where the likes of Rishabh Pant scored 150 plus runs against Starc and Pattinson. So you have to give him some credit for bowling well.

Now, I agree with you that your whole career counts when it comes to being a legend. And I believe Shami will be one once his ends.
 
Yes, their batting was weak but they never lost a series to India before that and massively strong at their own home especially against Asian teams. I remember an almost-done Ponting who struggled in the previous series against Engalnd smashing Indian bowlers in 2012 for fun. So, confidence was never an issue for Aussies against Asian teams at their own home. And remember, he took all those wickets on pattas where the likes of Rishabh Pant scored 150 plus runs against Starc and Pattinson. So you have to give him some credit for bowling well.

Now, I agree with you that your whole career counts when it comes to being a legend. And I believe Shami will be one once his ends.

He will end up as indian great no doubt but never end up as ATG
 
Shoaib Akthar also didnt have 200 wickets in Test. So do you consider him as pedestrian bowler too?.

I consider Shoaib Akhtar to be a complete nobody. 176 Test wickets put him between Neil Wagner and Danny Morrison, inferior to Chris Martin.

A Test bowler is judged by a combination of his haul of wickets and his average. Shami is nearly 30 and hasn’t got even 200 Test wickets. He’s a nobody too, and absolute Zero in the history of Test cricket.

Ishant Sharma is actually LESS than a zero. He’s played 96 Tests, hasn’t even got 300 wickets, and averages almost 33 after almost 13 years of Test cricket. That places him firmly in the “complete garbage” category.
 
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