Countdown to the sackings post 3-0 ODI series defeat against England...

[Sherlock]

Awful batting, barring this match and even then there were only two that stood up. The typical names.

The bowling has been atrocious and the fielding even worse.

The fielding alone should tell you how backwards this side has gone. Hell only a few months ago they lost to Zimbabwe - if that wasn't the warning light I fathom to think what would be.

If you think the team can't get any worse, they do.

Surely it's only a matter of time before Misbah and co are given their marching orders. Surely.

 

[Darkrai]

Babar should resign.

Waqar and Misbah should be sacked.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Misbah is lucky they are playing WI very soon.

After a few lucky wins in the West Indies the PCB will hail Lord Misbah, the savior of Pakistan cricket.

 

[PakEngFan]

If we are serious then these guys should be sacked with immediate affect.

 

[AdamM97]

Still think Pakistan lacks enough quality in the team but the management and captaincy could certainly be improved.

 

[PakEngFan]

Babar should resign.

Waqar and Misbah should be sacked.

Agreed. As good a bat Babar is he is equally an awful captain.

 

[Savak]

There is nothing new here. Pakistan's ODI and T-20 Cricket has been very backward for a while now in all departments, people in the PCB just do not identify the right problems and take action

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Lol nobody is getting sacked. Its just another meaningless bilateral ODI series.

Sure it might be one of the most humiliating and embarrassing series defeats Pakistan has ever suffered but at the end of the day its just another meaningless bilateral ODI series.

 

[ritzy_123]

What More Proof Do PCB and Wasim Khan needs?

It can easily be seen that we've no future with Misbah-Waqar Combo.

We definitely need few proper analysts plus a coach even with no reputation but who knows how to utilise the analysis and plan according to it.

I'm sure somebody is out there somewhere to do this job.

We're just looking at the same situation what happened to us when Misbah became the captain of Pakistan Team.

If we believe that we do need Misbah for Test Match Coaching make Him the coach for Test Matches only but keep this man away from One day and T20 team.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Lol nobody is getting sacked. Its just another meaningless bilateral ODI series.

Sure it might be one of the most humiliating and embarrassing series defeats Pakistan has ever suffered but at the end of the day its just another meaningless bilateral ODI series.

 

[hitthestump]

It is unthinkable that a coach can lose a series in this manner and still have a job the next day.

 

[unemployedgm]

Awful batting, barring this match and even then there were only two that stood up. The typical names.

The bowling has been atrocious and the fielding even worse.

The fielding alone should tell you how backwards this side has gone. Hell only a few months ago they lost to Zimbabwe - if that wasn't the warning light I fathom to think what would be.

If you think the team can't get any worse, they do.

Surely it's only a matter of time before Misbah and co are given their marching orders. Surely.

Are we sure the batting was good even in this game?

 

[shujaatraza]

Misbah is lucky they are playing WI very soon.

After a few lucky wins in the West Indies the PCB will hail Lord Misbah, the savior of Pakistan cricket.

Windies just trashed an almost full strength Aussie team.

 

[Darkrai]

Lol nobody is getting sacked. Its just another meaningless bilateral ODI series.

Sure it might be one of the most humiliating and embarrassing series defeats Pakistan has ever suffered but at the end of the day its just another meaningless bilateral ODI series.

Yeah, let's just forget about the bilateral ODI series and play the world cup qualifier.

 

[MesonK]

Create team from domestic top performers ... simple

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Lol nobody is getting sacked. Its just another meaningless bilateral ODI series.

Sure it might be one of the most humiliating and embarrassing series defeats Pakistan has ever suffered but at the end of the day its just another meaningless bilateral ODI series.

It won’t be meaningless if Pakistan don’t qualify for the WC.

 

[PakFan2010]

Mickey Arthur was a much better coach.

 

[Bhaijaan]

What is wrong. Pakistan got thrashed by a 2nd string English team who were playing at home in white ball Cricket. There's nothing unusual or shocking about that.

 

[Majid Khan]

Relax , this is the problem with us Pakistan fans - always in panic mode and knee jerk reactions.

Yes Pakistan lost a game or two , but come on - you guys make it sound like Pakistan has just been whitewashed by a second XI of an international team. At least wait until that happens before you panic and ask for everyone to be sacked.

 

[iniqbal223]

Misbah will not go anywhere until his hospital is completed

Complete leech and Parchi

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Should never have sacked Mickey Arthur. He might not have been a great coach by international class standards, but at least he'd be aware that preserving wickets for the first 25 overs went out of fashion back when Pakistan won the world cup in 1982.

Pakistan cricket is so lame and fear-ridden these days it's almost shocking.

 

[Titan24]

Cant do much with WI tour just around the corner straight after this one.

Unless they want to appoint a local one for white ball cricket for just the time being.

 

[unemployedgm]

Mickey Arthur is a horrendous cricket coach.

 

[guna]

You have to give it to England. Even their 2 d and 3rd string squads tailenders can also bat and score aggressively if needed.

Pakistan bowled okayish on a belter. I say Pak batsmen failed to score over 350+ which seems to be a par score on such highway pitches. Pak was clearly 25-30 runs short or even more.

Changing and chopping will not help. Pak does not seem to have the personnel to compete against aggressive units like England. No amount of changing and chopping will work. New aggressive batsmen needs to come through the ranks and replace the old ones. Time for Pak to invest in the future.

 

[Nazir_ Rules]

Judging the way they just got swept by a C team, that WI team is gonna maul this side.

 

[unemployedgm]

You have to give it to England. Even their 2 d and 3rd string squads tailenders can also bat and score aggressively if needed.

Pakistan bowled okayish on a belter. I say Pak batsmen failed to score over 350+ which seems to be a par score on such highway pitches. Pak was clearly 25-30 runs short or even more.

Changing and chopping will not help. Pak does not seem to have the personnel to compete against aggressive units like England. No amount of changing and chopping will work. New aggressive batsmen needs to come through the ranks and replace the old ones. Time for Pak to invest in the future.

So I guess Pakistan didn't bat well. That Imam 50 wasn't valuable in the context of the game. Although it probably helped his career in the short-term.

 

[Titan24]

Should never have sacked Mickey Arthur. He might not have been a great coach by international class standards, but at least he'd be aware that preserving wickets for the first 25 overs went out of fashion back when Pakistan won the world cup in 1982.

Pakistan cricket is so lame and fear-ridden these days it's almost shocking.

As I have maintained previously, sacking Mickey wasnt a wrong decision based upon the results he produced but, replacing him with coach without any experience was the wrong one.

 

[hitthestump]

What is wrong. Pakistan got thrashed by a 2nd string English team who were playing at home in white ball Cricket. There's nothing unusual or shocking about that.

This absolutely isn't even 2nd string. This is 3rd/4th string. And they were plucked out of county cricket in a moment's notice.

Compare that to Pakistan's full strength team, only one debutant, and a coaching staff that has been present for 2 years.

Heads shouldn't just be rolling - they should be hurtling.

 

[MenInG]

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[Corridor of Uncertainty]

No need for knee jerk reaction.

Just get rid of Misbah and get a professional coach in. A good coach will build his own team.

A hard task master with no-fear approach is needed - who brings out Pakistan's own values.

I don't know who will fit the bill though.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yeah, let's just forget about the bilateral ODI series and play the world cup qualifier.

It won’t be meaningless if Pakistan don’t qualify for the WC

If Pakistan can't finish in the Top 7 of this so called league than maybe they shouldn't be playing the World Cup in the first place.

 

[unemployedgm]

We need to reassess how we think about the game of cricket. Messiah Culture Persists...

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Cue the emotional, knee-jerk reactions.

Its easy to make the coaches the scapegoat but you can't really blame them for the way Pakistan played in this series. In the first two games the batting imploded. Unless you are expecting Misbah to go out there and physically show the players how to hold a bat or what shots to play I don't see how you can blame him for Pakistan being bowled out for 144 and 195.

The bowling was inconsistent and especially patchy today but the bowling is not the reason we lost today, the fielding is. I also do not see how you can blame Haris Rauf bowling two dreadful half-trackers at the back end of the game (that got smashed for six) on Waqar Younis.

Pakistan looked absolutely rudderless on the field today. They could have had Vince Lombardi as their coach and it wouldn't have made an iota of difference.

 

[guna]

So I guess Pakistan didn't bat well. That Imam 50 wasn't valuable in the context of the game. Although it probably helped his career in the short-term.

He may have batted selfishly. But Imam is not a modern day ODI opener. He would have worked well in 90's. You need aggressive bashers at the top like Phil Salt. Sharjeel Khan is the only one I can think of that can be considered a modern day aggressive opener in Pak.

 

[Jabo]

Misbah & Waqar

plus the fans need to realise we are below Bang in ranking or above... 7-10
just as bad as Zimbabwe and on level with SL and Bangladesh

but still we should have done better against a C side England. Embarrassing.

 

[AAli98]

& bring in who Roberto Mancini to coach?

With the likes of Rauf Shakeel Aziz 7th/8th will be paks ranking..

 

[gazza619]

we were carrying a gazillion players on tour, and after two very poor performances we didnt make a single change for 3rd ODI, the team management need to be sacked for sure

 

[thecrusade911]

Create team from domestic top performers ... simple

Lol. Top domestic performer Saud can't hit a six to save his life. Players like him can't fit in modern LO setup.

 

[unemployedgm]

He may have batted selfishly. But Imam is not a modern day ODI opener. He would have worked well in 90's. You need aggressive bashers at the top like Phil Salt. Sharjeel Khan is the only one I can think of that can be considered a modern day aggressive opener in Pak.

Over the past 3 years Pakistan has had a consistent top 3 of Imam, Fakhar, and Babar. All of whom average close to or above 50. Yet Pakistan is a horrendous ODI Batting Team. What does that tell you? It tells me that these 3 batsman don't impact winning, certainly not against the good teams.

 

[Majid Khan]

we were carrying a gazillion players on tour, and after two very poor performances we didnt make a single change for 3rd ODI, the team management need to be sacked for sure

This in itself should be classed as a sackable offence.

 

[Mamoon]

Sack whoever you want, the bottom-line is we have zero world class players and everyone in domestic cricket is rubbish with no mental strength.

 

[Titan24]

Misbah & Waqar

plus the fans need to realise we are below Bang in ranking or above... 7-10
just as bad as Zimbabwe and on level with SL and Bangladesh

but still we should have done better against a C side England. Embarrassing.

Pak is ranked 6th in ODIs.

 

[Titan24]

Cue the emotional, knee-jerk reactions.

Its easy to make the coaches the scapegoat but you can't really blame them for the way Pakistan played in this series. In the first two games the batting imploded. Unless you are expecting Misbah to go out there and physically show the players how to hold a bat or what shots to play I don't see how you can blame him for Pakistan being bowled out for 144 and 195.

The bowling was inconsistent and especially patchy today but the bowling is not the reason we lost today, the fielding is. I also do not see how you can blame Haris Rauf bowling two dreadful half-trackers at the back end of the game (that got smashed for six) on Waqar Younis.

Pakistan looked absolutely rudderless on the field today. They could have had Vince Lombardi as their coach and it wouldn't have made an iota of difference.

Fair enough but, procedure of accountability should still remain upon players as well as coaches. Being mediocre as a team shouldn’t mean that people are going to get free rides.

 

[ritzy_123]

Should never have sacked Mickey Arthur. He might not have been a great coach by international class standards, but at least he'd be aware that preserving wickets for the first 25 overs went out of fashion back when Pakistan won the world cup in 1982.

Pakistan cricket is so lame and fear-ridden these days it's almost shocking.

It's ages I'm writing this everywhere on this forum..

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Fair enough but, procedure of accountability should still remain upon players as well as coaches. Being mediocre as a team shouldn’t mean that people are going to get free rides.

Accountability is one thing, but making coaches scapegoats is something else entirely.

I also don't think there's any other country whose fans place as greater impetus on the role of the coach than Pakistani fans.

 

[IMMY69]

In all my time watching Pakistan cricket, I don't think I've ever seen such an insipid display and certainly not with such consistency..

This was horrific.
Against a B side led by their only star/first eleven player who didn't even contribute with ball or bat.
Every single bowler looked toothless and our batting was just atrocious.

I'm sure these guys can do better but honestly right now, in the moment, I think they all need to be fired.

 

[cricketjoshila]

140 ball 158 isnt going to help you win on a pancake, when rest of the batting bar Rizwan is struggling. Babar needed to score quicker.

If a England C chased this with 2 overs to spare, Pakistan was atleast 40 runs short. Babar should have been 180 plus here.

 

[Sherlock]

Cue the emotional, knee-jerk reactions.

Its easy to make the coaches the scapegoat but you can't really blame them for the way Pakistan played in this series. In the first two games the batting imploded. Unless you are expecting Misbah to go out there and physically show the players how to hold a bat or what shots to play I don't see how you can blame him for Pakistan being bowled out for 144 and 195.

The bowling was inconsistent and especially patchy today but the bowling is not the reason we lost today, the fielding is. I also do not see how you can blame Haris Rauf bowling two dreadful half-trackers at the back end of the game (that got smashed for six) on Waqar Younis.

Pakistan looked absolutely rudderless on the field today. They could have had Vince Lombardi as their coach and it wouldn't have made an iota of difference.

Cue the what?

I'm sorry if you think this is a emotional 'knee-jerk' reaction when right from the get go I've not rated or wanted Misbah. He's simply not a coach that has any experience or tactics to change games, or manage his players.

That's the same guy that has persisted with Asif Ali. Has given chance after chance to Faheem Ashraf, and has just brought along squad players to be water carriers.

In what universe was he picked to be a coach? I'm sorry you feel this is a knee-jerk reaction, it's not.

He's not a coach that will lift these players.

 

[Savak]

140 ball 158 isnt going to help you win on a pancake, when rest of the batting bar Rizwan is struggling. Babar needed to score quicker.

If a England C chased this with 2 overs to spare, Pakistan was atleast 40 runs short. Babar should have been 180 plus here.

Babar is still evolving as a batsman. You need to remember he is the main batsman in the side right now. The rest are just not reliable, he has to put a responsible price on his wicket. He is not playing for a team unlike Kohli, Williamson, Root, Smith where he can trust the lower order hitters to hit quickfire 50 runs of 20 deliveries and remain not out.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

140 ball 158 isnt going to help you win on a pancake, when rest of the batting bar Rizwan is struggling. Babar needed to score quicker.

If a England C chased this with 2 overs to spare, Pakistan was atleast 40 runs short. Babar should have been 180 plus here.

This is why you should make judgments on a cricket match by actually watching it, instead of reading the scorecard.

Because if you did, you would know that Pakistan lost the game because of their atrocious fielding and inconsistent bowling rather than the batting.

Babar played one of his finest innings today that showed why he is the No.1 ODI batsman in the world.

 

[Savak]

I don't want to emotionally bash Misbah but i also want him to man up and face the press and PCB Cricket Committee and answer some hard questions. He just doesn't come forward and take responsibility when things are tough. Who else can forget the team management sending Naseem Shah and Zafar Gohar to face the media in NZ?

These are signs of having Cowards as your coaches. They have had 2 years to make an impact. This is a performance based job, if you cant make a difference then make way for someone else.

 

[Local.Dada]

Anyone want to wage a friendly bet that come WT20 Mickey Arthur, Sarfaraz, Amir, Wahab,Umar Akmal and pretty much the entire CT 2017 gang and a few more heroes will be back?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cue the emotional, knee-jerk reactions.

Its easy to make the coaches the scapegoat but you can't really blame them for the way Pakistan played in this series. In the first two games the batting imploded. Unless you are expecting Misbah to go out there and physically show the players how to hold a bat or what shots to play I don't see how you can blame him for Pakistan being bowled out for 144 and 195.

The bowling was inconsistent and especially patchy today but the bowling is not the reason we lost today, the fielding is. I also do not see how you can blame Haris Rauf bowling two dreadful half-trackers at the back end of the game (that got smashed for six) on Waqar Younis.

Pakistan looked absolutely rudderless on the field today. They could have had Vince Lombardi as their coach and it wouldn't have made an iota of difference.

Imagine if England had this attitude and didn't throw out the old playbook and start in a different direction altogether a decade ago. They'd probably look a bit like us now.

It's not about individual coaches or players, it's about a whole mindset. Not only do Pakistan play the most awful safety first cricket, they celebrate every wicket or batting milestone against reserve teams as if they have won the world cup. These players have such low standards it's hardly any wonder they are getting beat regularly and probably thinking they've done a good job.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is why you should make judgments on a cricket match by actually watching it, instead of reading the scorecard.

Because if you did, you would know that Pakistan lost the game because of their atrocious fielding and inconsistent bowling rather than the batting.

Babar played one of his finest innings today that showed why he is the No.1 ODI batsman in the world.

I watched the whole match, and we wasted half the innings making sure we didn't lose early wickets. Yes the bowling was poor, and the fielding, but this was a batting pitch and we wasted 15 overs.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Cue the what?

I'm sorry if you think this is a emotional 'knee-jerk' reaction when right from the get go I've not rated or wanted Misbah. He's simply not a coach that has any experience or tactics to change games, or manage his players.

That's the same guy that has persisted with Asif Ali. Has given chance after chance to Faheem Ashraf, and has just brought along squad players to be water carriers.

In what universe was he picked to be a coach? I'm sorry you feel this is a knee-jerk reaction, it's not.

He's not a coach that will lift these players.

I've been on PP for 3 years and have been a lurker for even longer. And after every series that Pakistan loses there are multiple threads calling for the heads of coaches, captains, selectors. It has gotten tiresome at this point. You all need to understand that Pakistan's problems are more deep-rooted and there are no quick-fixes for it like sacking XYZ. It will change nothing.

Placing this much emphasis on the role of the coach is also completely unique to Pakistan fans. Need I remind you that England didn't even have their head-coach for this series, whereas India essentially has a coach who is a coach in name only.

You also need to get your facts straight. Mohammad Waseem is the chief-selector, not Misbah.

And you know what? I'm glad he persisted with Faheem Ashraf. Because now atleast we have a half-decent fast-bowling all-rounder in tests.

 

[Rana]

Nothing will happen. Misbah and Waqar are the cheapest options who have no self pride or shame. They will continue whilst PCB can save its money

 

[mon858]

Nope. Can't blame batting at all.
We simply lost due to poor fielding, catching, and a little bit of bowling discipline (extras, short pitch in early part of innings , etc).
Had we done those basics right would have won.

 

[street cricketer]

Accountability is one thing, but making coaches scapegoats is something else entirely.

I also don't think there's any other country whose fans place as greater impetus on the role of the coach than Pakistani fans.

This. I've always been surprised by this phenomenon. No other country's cricket fandom is so critical of their coaches as Pakistan's is.

I mean I can understand if it's a sport like football where a coach's role becomes very important as he decides the tactics, formations, substitutions, line up, etc. A coach in cricket is a glorified media manager and motivational speaker. A coach cannot massively change the way a player plays, that happens in junior cricket. He can provide some helpful tips on slight adjustments, that's all. But even the analyst takes care of these things nowadays.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Imagine if England had this attitude and didn't throw out the old playbook and start in a different direction altogether a decade ago. They'd probably look a bit like us now.

It's not about individual coaches or players, it's about a whole mindset. Not only do Pakistan play the most awful safety first cricket, they celebrate every wicket or batting milestone against reserve teams as if they have won the world cup. These players have such low standards it's hardly any wonder they are getting beat regularly and probably thinking they've done a good job.

You're right. It is about mindset. But "mindset" is not some ubiquitous term you talk about with players to turn them into match-winners, it has to materialize in practice aswell.

Pakistan's problems are deep-rooted and emanate from a system that is outdated and underdeveloped.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Pakistan was 30 runs short but awful fielding cost at least 40 extra runs.The bowling was poor.Poor line and poor lengths.

 

[IMMY69]

We lacked intensity
When batting, bowling and fielding
Captaincy too is a major problem.

 

[Local.Dada]

Accountability is one thing, but making coaches scapegoats is something else entirely.

I also don't think there's any other country whose fans place as greater impetus on the role of the coach than Pakistani fans.

That’s not entirely true. You should see some of the trolling Ravi Shastri gets on social media. In fact ex Indian cricketers seem to like him a lot more than Pak ex cricketers like Misbah but still the fans troll him mercilessly. Sometimes it’s lighthearted and he does deserve some trolling but some times it gets excessive even there.

 

[Ahmed216]

The least i expect from this management is to make some changes to a losing side. Consistency in selection in good but not with unproven performs. What has faheem ashraf ever done in cricket at any level to enjoy a free ride in national side? Many other players in this side with almost no credentials.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I watched the whole match, and we wasted half the innings making sure we didn't lose early wickets. Yes the bowling was poor, and the fielding, but this was a batting pitch and we wasted 15 overs.

Yeah and that strategy worked considering the fact that they could play more freely in the middle to late overs knowing they had wickets in hand. It worked because they ended up with 331, which is a very good total even on a flat pitch.

And sorry but if you score 330+ and still lose the match than its the bowling and the fielding that deserve the blame, not the batting.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This. I've always been surprised by this phenomenon. No other country's cricket fandom is so critical of their coaches as Pakistan's is.

I mean I can understand if it's a sport like football where a coach's role becomes very important as he decides the tactics, formations, substitutions, line up, etc. A coach in cricket is a glorified media manager and motivational speaker. A coach cannot massively change the way a player plays, that happens in junior cricket. He can provide some helpful tips on slight adjustments, that's all. But even the analyst takes care of these things nowadays.

I have said this exact same thing here multiple times but it seems Pakistan fans live in the world of their own.

You always see them looking for someone to blame, but rarely accept the reality that the team has been this way for a number of years now and that the problems are rooted in the system more than anything else.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is why you should make judgments on a cricket match by actually watching it, instead of reading the scorecard.

Because if you did, you would know that Pakistan lost the game because of their atrocious fielding and inconsistent bowling rather than the batting.

Babar played one of his finest innings today that showed why he is the No.1 ODI batsman in the world.

Finest innings? Where he ate so many balls at the start. If not for Rizwan and his quick fire 70 Pakistan wouldn't have crossed 300.

He will keep scoring soft runs, like this against a England C on a flat pancake in a losing cause and you will keep hyping him up. Suits the other teams fine.

Few days back some Bangladeshis were tweeting that BD has the best bowling attack in ODIs as 3 of their bowlers were in top 10 and shakib is the no.1 AR in ODIs.

 

[gani999]

If a England C chased this with 2 overs to spare, Pakistan was atleast 40 runs short. Babar should have been 180 plus here.

Actually Pakistan could have posted 350+ if Imam, Fakhar and Babar had taken more singles in the first few overs. They had at least ten overs worth of dot balls in the first 20 overs.

 

[bala977]

Babar is still evolving as a batsman. You need to remember he is the main batsman in the side right now. The rest are just not reliable, he has to put a responsible price on his wicket. He is not playing for a team unlike Kohli, Williamson, Root, Smith where he can trust the lower order hitters to hit quickfire 50 runs of 20 deliveries and remain not out.

Separate question - how long is it going to take him to stop “evolving” and be treated as someone who is established? He has played 80 ODIs or thereabouts, so just checking

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You're right. It is about mindset. But "mindset" is not some ubiquitous term you talk about with players to turn them into match-winners, it has to materialize in practice aswell.

Pakistan's problems are deep-rooted and emanate from a system that is outdated and underdeveloped.

How long are we going keep saying it's outdated? At some point you need to open your eyes and have a look at what other teams are doing and try doing something different. Would you say Misbah is the right coach to bring a more dynamic approach considering his own batting style and philosophy as a captain?

Look at how England C team went about their first 15 overs compared to Pakistan. Even when they lost wickets they were never under any real pressure because they had kept ahead of the R/R from the start.

Yes the bowling and fielding were crap, but if the England third string can show some adventure and spirit, why is still missing from Pakistan?

 

[tahir_dj]

First sacking is Waqar Younis he seems to find a way back everytime and everytime he kills the bowling department.

2nd Misbah who doesnt merit a place anywhere near the team for any role.

3rd please kick out
Faheem shud stick to psl
Haris tape ball bowler shud stick to BBL
Fakhar also shud stick to Psl

 

[Local.Dada]

Finest innings? Where he ate so many balls at the start. If not for Rizwan and his quick fire 70 Pakistan wouldn't have crossed 300.

He will keep scoring soft runs, like this against a England C on a flat pancake in a losing cause and you will keep hyping him up. Suits the other teams fine.

Few days back some Bangladeshis were tweeting that BD has the best bowling attack in ODIs as 3 of their bowlers were in top 10 and shakib is the no.1 AR in ODIs.

That’s unfair. You can’t criticize a guy who just scored 158.

Rizwan played a better knock today no doubt.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Pakistan was 30 runs short but awful fielding cost at least 40 extra runs.The bowling was poor.Poor line and poor lengths.

In my opinion, the major major major reason for awful fielding is the lack of proper sleep and proper rest.
Our fitness coach should be sent to jail.

I know it, and I have seen it, that even though these players are supposedly barred from having cell phones during the tournament but they are still up late night surfing the internet a night before the game, and in there day to day daily life.

Once your sleeping pattern is messed and there is an off-set in your biological clock, it takes months to recover and get it back on track.

These deyhaati guys don't understand the concept that in order to stay alert and agile on the battle ground, your fitness requires an equal amount of rest and sleep to support the daily drills and training routine.

If you don't do that, your mind and body is half a sleep during the day time. And we have seen it quite well.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Finest innings? Where he ate so many balls at the start. If not for Rizwan and his quick fire 70 Pakistan wouldn't have crossed 300.

He will keep scoring soft runs, like this against a England C on a flat pancake in a losing cause and you will keep hyping him up. Suits the other teams fine.

Few days back some Bangladeshis were tweeting that BD has the best bowling attack in ODIs as 3 of their bowlers were in top 10 and shakib is the no.1 AR in ODIs.

Doesn't matter that he ate up balls. Fact is he made up for it. Anytime any player smashes 158 off 140 he deserves credit regardless of the pitch or the opposition.

Yeah that's probably how he has reached the top of the ODI rankings...by scoring soft runs. Why don't you go and watch the highlights of his innings against New Zealand on the same ground two years ago, and educate yourself in the process?

 

[Shazzam]

When Misbah was captain it was said its not the captains fault. When Misbah is the coach it is said that its not the coaches fault. All I get is that Misbah can never do any wrong its the players fault never Misbahs. That’s Pakistan cricket for you in a nut shell.

 

[Shazzam]

Pakistan was 30 runs short but awful fielding cost at least 40 extra runs.The bowling was poor.Poor line and poor lengths.

Fielding was always our problem. Its funny how people are blaming that for this loss over doing better bowling and batting.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

How long are we going keep saying it's outdated? At some point you need to open your eyes and have a look at what other teams are doing and try doing something different. Would you say Misbah is the right coach to bring a more dynamic approach considering his own batting style and philosophy as a captain?

Look at how England C team went about their first 15 overs compared to Pakistan. Even when they lost wickets they were never under any real pressure because they had kept ahead of the R/R from the start.

Yes the bowling and fielding were crap, but if the England third string can show some adventure and spirit, why is still missing from Pakistan?

As long as that is actually the reality.

Comparisons to England are utterly useless and meaningless because unlike Pakistan, England has a excellent system that trains players to be professionals from a young age. And when you have an excellent system, it is always be easier for you to adapt to changes.

 

[Rohan]

Can’t wait for pictures of cake ceremony for Babar’s 150.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

As long as that is actually the reality.

Comparisons to England are utterly useless and meaningless because unlike Pakistan, England has a excellent system that trains players to be professionals from a young age. And when you have an excellent system, it is always be easier for you to adapt to changes.

Then why hire Misbah and spent $250,000 a year when he can't do anything cuz it's the system that needs investment, and not the coach's salary?

 

[street cricketer]

Finest innings? Where he ate so many balls at the start. If not for Rizwan and his quick fire 70 Pakistan wouldn't have crossed 300.

He will keep scoring soft runs, like this against a England C on a flat pancake in a losing cause and you will keep hyping him up. Suits the other teams fine.

Few days back some Bangladeshis were tweeting that BD has the best bowling attack in ODIs as 3 of their bowlers were in top 10 and shakib is the no.1 AR in ODIs.

Harsh to blame Babar here. It's not like he scored 160 off 170 balls. It's fine to be critical of the batting effort if this was against a full strength England as on roads, you just have to out bat England somehow and put the game beyond their reach because 330 on a road is like 280 for them.

But this England side don't have great batsmen except Stokes. I didn't know a player named Gregory existed before this series started. The bowlers should be pulling up their socks in these games against an inexperienced English line up.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

One key thing about this group is though this is essentially the best of what we have, their mentality and fear is instilled in them.

I know a plethora think Mickey Arthur was overrated but we definitely had a confidence and bounce to us with him at the helm.

I think the home coaches are always going to be a failure because there seems to be that lackadaisical “Bhai” is the coach versus the respect for a coach that we did when we brought in outsiders.

There are some definite changes required (Shadab, Faheem, Maqsood) but would that have won us the match? Reality is we are both lacking in talent along with lacking in tactics, a combination doomed for failure.

That’s not to say we should be all doom and gloom. To just watch to say I told you so is a poor attitude to have.

I think the coaching is a big problem and that fear has instilled in us like Pakistan of old.

There was once a minor league baseball player who I once heard say that most elite level major league players have the talent to be a good or even great player but the issue wasn’t always the lack of talent, some having more than others, but more than half was between the ears.

Do we lack talent? Yes.

Are we a top 5 side? No.

Accept that reality and then do the best with what you have but the mindset and fear needs to be removed.

This has been plaguing the team for decades. The fielding in recent years has honestly been solid, but today was Pakistan of old. That mindset may not take us to a top team but it should at the very least win us a match like today for some dignity and respect.

The dolly catches were a sight to behold.

Arthur said if you can’t make these plays you won’t play, and again many dislike him but an outsider from another country is probably the best bet to at least get the best of what you have and really bring some leadership and confidence.

Recycling Waqar who has been coach in and out now for a decade is just the same mindset and ideologies over and over again.

Unfortunately the “axe will fall” is unlikely to be heard and we will be going in circles with the same leadership and wondering why the results though probably the same in terms of series wins or losses, at least would lead to some respect with a win like today.