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The ones you love are often the ones who backstab you. It is his choice if he’s not going to reciprocate my brotherly love for him. I can’t force it. I am beyond these things.
I studied quite a bit about AMCA during the last week and it sounds like just another defense sector scam like Tejas, Arjun Tank, Kaveri engine etc where you put in billions of dollars over decades and get practically nothing in return apart from wasting all your time.
If everything goes “right” on the AMCA project we are still talking about induction by mid 2030s and full squadrons in production by 2040.
During this time China would have gladly handed over some 5th gens to Pakistan for free to protect their regional interests.
If we are serious about flexing muscle in the region. Answering terrorist attacks with missiles on Pakistan, we have to purchase a lot of stuff to fill in for immediate use.
It’s not a long term solution but an immediate requirement.
We have to seriously reimagine and repurpose our defense R&D to be future ready.
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France and Dassault have refused Source Code access to India for the Rafales. It's being proven time and time again that this was a poor investment on India's part. Best would be if they can get a 5th generation jet from Russia or produce their own.
Dassault or for that matter most major fighter jet makers aren't used to entertaining extremely demanding air forces like the IAF. Their attitude is always of take it or leave because they feel they hold the upper hand in such transactions but they're wrong about that. These negotiations are all about leverage.
IAF knows its arguably the biggest potential buyer today for imported fighter jets. They have already bought 36 Rafales from Dassault, a new order has been placed for 26 more and guess what there's tender for 114 multi-role fighter jets at IAF which they plan to close by year end and Dassault is going to be competing for the same and everyone knows these are always long term Govt to Govt deals. You don't just buy an aircraft, you buy into an ecosystem, a doctrine for long term and if it cannot accommodate never ending needs for upgradations and retrofitting, it doesn't serve its strategic purpose.
Also, the whole Anti Rafale international propaganda is hurting France way more.
We achieved our objectives. We hit the marks without losing a single pilot but guess what if Dassault keeps being rigid, the IAF might even go public and say Rafales weren't up to the expectations. It would have devastating impact on them while regardless of what people might say about IAF, they will still remain the biggest buyer in the market.
We clearly have better, ever improving and cost effective missile systems. Its absolutely critical to be able to integrate them into our fighter aircrafts like we are doing in Sukhois.
Agar Su-57 hotay tu rejult kuch aur hota. Phir Pakistan hum py hi attack nahi karta
We don't need them now.
But PAF has an advantage that it gets free stuff from US, China so we have to keep that in mind.
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Good points but you're overplaying India's leverage aspect. Dassault has leverage in this case because India doesn't have many other options. The F35 will come with similar source code barriers. Highly doubt the US would share that with IAF. And the concern with the SU-57 is that Russia is increasingly becoming dependent on Chinese help in the defense sector. Would India be comfortable with Chinese parts in fighter jets it owns?
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Not free. We sacrificed alot in the war against terror. India doesn't have the track record to fight terror on a global scale.
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China will be providing mediocre planes to Pakistan, they know the CIA has deep connections in the ISI. Chinese themselves do not trust Pakistanis, they will not provide Pakistan with anything potent (plane wise) as they know the CIA will get access to it. China still doesn't have a proper jet engine, they have tried to reverse engineer the Russian Saturn engine for years, they still struggling to put a reliable engine together despite years of reverse engineering. I wouldn't worry about any planes China would give to Pakistan, that is the least of our worries...
Jet engine manufacturing is one of the holy grails of human abilities, there is a reason only 5 countries in the world has mastered it while the rest are still trying to figure it out...
Chinese stealth capabilities are also nothing to write home about, if a Sukhoi MKI can detect the J20 that tells you what kind of plane it is.
China's strength are their long rang missiles and Navy...
Like I stated earlier India needs to get the private players involved and stay as far away as possible from HAL, that's the only way forward. We have the engineers and scientists to get the job done with proper support..
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India already given all evidences of its attack on terrorists places in Pakistan and also destroying air bases and military installations. Indian army showed satellite images prior to attacks and after the attacks.
On the other hand Pakistani government heavily relied on social media evidence. They totally failed to produce any cogent evidence
On the other hand Pakistani government heavily relied on social media evidence. They totally failed to produce any cogent evidence
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Yeah that's true, since Pakistan is the manufacturing hub for terrorism their expertise are way ahead...
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Terrorism and Islamic extremism weren't related until AlQaeda and ISIS came into the picture. Both groups were not 'manufactured' in Pakistan. Infact we helped defeat both. What has India achieved??
You’re getting F16s and Chinese jets at a heavily discounted price because the Americans want to keep us trapped in regional stand offs like these. Little do they know this is only pushing Bharat seriously to build indegenous capabilities. We are only a few decades away from breaking some nations monopoly on ultra expensive defense tech.
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We cannot risk our national security by putting all hopes on AMCA project after our history of delays and failures. Even if the project is a success you’re not going to have full squadrons of war ready AMCAs by late 2030s
Till the next 10 years, we have to have a few squadrons of 5th gens. It isn’t just about Pakistan but China also. They’re a reckless and unreliable nation as history suggests.
If we stay idle with our current fleet, we can only be a defensive force. If we mean to flex some muscle we have to purchase some top of the line stuff.
You’re also underrating Su-57s btw. It is a very capable machine if we have the freedom to build it in Bharat and can customize it as per our strategic needs. We are also much better aligned with Russia in defense infra than USA.
How many decades? 10 or 20?
Definitely less than 10.
I’d say 3 optimistically and 5 for sure. Anything beyond that wouldn’t be ideal but I doubt it would take this long.
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So those countries will just remain idle and make no progress?
So those countries will just remain idle and make no progress?
It’s all relative.
US, Russia developed themselves as hubs for defense tech because they grew at a greater pace for decades in this area while the rest were hardly doing much.
Now China and Bharat are picking up pace and it’s inevitable they will close the gap with legacy nations very soon and might leap ahead.
GDP wise Bharat has already leap-frogged from 10 to 4 in a couple of decades and is on the way to #3 by 2027
Dassault Aviations - Govt of India relations are operating on thin ice right now with DA staying firm on not allowing IAF to get access to critical source code.
As per reports, GOI is now back on the negotiations table with Russia for Sukhoi Su-57.
As per reports, GOI is now back on the negotiations table with Russia for Sukhoi Su-57.
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None of the 5 countries who have fully indigenously built a fighter jet will their share sensitive tech with a nation that doesn't have it EVER.
India needs to go hard with the AMCA, get DRDO, ISRO scientists/engineers to collaborate with Tata, Reliance & Ambani and watch India develop their own fighter jet and engine...Indians have the brains to do it with time even with sabotages from the western countries who doesn't want India to build their own fighter jet and engine...
We need to be realistic about our current position, we are still far from fielding even a partially indigenous fifth-generation fighter, even with the support of GE or Safran for the engine. That milestone alone is at least a decade away, if all goes well.
As far as I’m concerned, AMCA doesn’t exist until a prototype is flying (Turkey and Korea have done that already).
Given the history of delays and underperformance from our state-run defense entities, it would be naïve to place all our bets on AMCA. Frankly, I’m already 50% convinced it will be a dead project, and by the time we’re even talking about serial production in the 2040s, the world will have moved on—possibly to sixth or even seventh-generation platforms. At best, we might produce 20 units per year, and even then, it may just serve as a backup fleet for the IAF, not a frontline asset.
When it comes to national security, we cannot afford complacency or overambitious timelines. We need fifth-generation fighter squadrons in service now, not decades from now. Strategic capability cannot wait for bureaucratic promises—we need action, procurement, and preparedness, today.
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im still laughing how the thread title says FIRST rafale and it was the very first one we downed.
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This is what we need to do, finally. Focus focus focus on the home grown jet, use all our brilliant scientists, engineers, collaborate with the big private players like Adani, Tata, or whomever else to complete the plane...
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What are the prospects for AMCA ? I don't think the previous plane India tried their hand at - Tejas LCA was a successful project ? I'm out of the loop on that one.
Projects like Tejas, the Kaveri engine, and AMCA are not just defense initiatives, they’re foundational steps in India’s journey toward self-reliance in advanced aerospace and military technologies.
Innovation is a continuous, evolving process. It's not fair to constantly compare our progress with that of the U.S., Europe, or Russia—nations that have had decades of R&D, massive funding, and early advantages that allowed them to commercialize and refine their technologies. China for instance despite its immense investments is still grappling with the development of a truly indigenous 5th-gen fighter jet engine. The path is hard for EVERYONE.
India's journey is like reaching for the moon and landing among the stars. Each project whether successful or not teaches us invaluable lessons. Tejas may not yet be at par with the world's top combat jets, but it is a major leap forward. Once powered by an indigenous engine, it will be nearly 90% made in India—a remarkable achievement by any standard. Similarly, with AMCA, we must be realistic. Even if all goes as planned, by the time India fields a 5.5-generation fighter, the U.S. and China may already have fully operational 6th-gen fleets. But does that diminish our progress? Out of nearly 200 countries, only a few have even come close to what we are attempting. An indigenous 5th-gen AMCA will place India firmly among the elite few.
And AMCA is not an isolated project. It represents the convergence of hundreds of cutting-edge R&D efforts in materials science, stealth, propulsion, avionics, and systems integration. It’s like a cinematic epic directed by a top Director - years of unseen, complex work culminating in a dramatic reveal. And some global powers won’t take it lightly. There are already murmurs of attempts to derail our efforts whether through sabotage, subversion, or geopolitical distractions. The day India masters the mass production of world-class fighter jets and missile systems will mark a turning point in global geopolitics. It will disrupt the current balance of power not just challenging Western dominance but also unsettling traditional allies like Russia.
History shows that the world rarely welcomes a disruptor. But India was never meant to merely follow it was always destined to lead and redefine the rules when its time came.
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Tejas overall provided the Indian engineers and scientists with good insights on building a fighter aircraft, overall I would say the Tejas mk2 would be a great plane, it should have atleast 80% home grown technology on it, all except for the engine.
Kaveri Engine is the main hurdle, Indians so far have not mastered the crystal blade technology... However I would say the Kaveri engine is about 60 percent there, one of the reason for the delays was that HAL was in charge of the Kaveri project, and HAL is always bogged down by politics and bureaucracy (typical Indian attitude)... Now that the government is bringing the private players into the AMCA project, an indigenous flying proprotype should be ready by 2029-2030...
Indians cannot rely on the Americans for the GE Engines, as they will use it to choke India when they feel India is not aligning to their interests. The GE Engine deal was signed over 2 years ago and US has delivered something like 4 engines so far, beyond a joke
lol....
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Yeap, expect a few Homi J. Bhabha type assassinations of our scientists and engineers out of the blue when India is close to solving the Kaveri riddle. CIA is monitoring Kaveri's progress closely with the assets they have in RAW....
Also I wouldn't worry about Chinese fighter jets, the j20 is trash along with all their reverse engineered planes. Thier Navy and missiles are the worry...
Russian agencies have also been known to employ honeytraps targeting our officials in order to secure defence contracts on favourable terms.
Let’s be clear: no major power wants India to become fully self-reliant in the mass production of jet engines, missiles, and other advanced military technologies. The Western bloc currently dominates the global arms market, and India’s emergence would significantly disrupt that status quo.
Many people fail to appreciate the long arc of history and how nations persist far beyond individual lifespans. They often overlook the importance of momentum and potential in shaping the future of nations. While the US has enjoyed a century of global dominance, it is not invincible. China is already challenging its position, and India is rapidly preparing to enter that arena. The global balance of power is genuinely shifting.
The greatest advantage of being a late entrant is that you can always focus on the latest technology and all the tried and tested work of the decades that passed away becomes your research material. So thank you US, Europe, Russia 
All these billions of dollars spent by us in purchasing your toys over the years wont go to waste after all, as we seamlessly reverse engineer your stuff and make it better with our value addition.
Look at what we did with BrahMos missiles !!
All these billions of dollars spent by us in purchasing your toys over the years wont go to waste after all, as we seamlessly reverse engineer your stuff and make it better with our value addition.
Look at what we did with BrahMos missiles !!
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And have it shot down a bit quicker. BTW have you guys accepted that it was blown out of the sky or you still controlled by Godi mediaThe greatest advantage of being a late entrant is that you can always focus on the latest technology and all the tried and tested work of the decades that passed away becomes your research material. So thank you US, Europe, Russia
All these billions of dollars spent by us in purchasing your toys over the years wont go to waste after all, as we seamlessly reverse engineer your stuff and make it better with our value addition.
Look at what we did with BrahMos missiles !!
Its an irrelevant discussion for us.
We made our hits with precision. 11 Pakistani military bases damaged and destroyed, multiple aircrafts destroyed. 4-5 billion dollars worth in damages.
If in this mission, few of our aircrafts were shot down within our territory and none of the pilots were harmed, it doesn't mean much to us.
Our discussion is about achieving objectives. We made the hits.
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Really? After all the hype and denials, it's irrelevant
Yes its irrelevant.
After all the strikes and achieving our objectives.
If at it happened, which so far is still unproven. WE have given concrete proofs of our hits. Pakistan have only produced morphed photos and propaganda news reports so far to give promption to its dictator. He's a Failed Marshal.
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You achieved Jack. You were given a free hand by our Junta and the game was fixed, but no one told our pilots and they knocked out your biggest weapon in a matter of minutes
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You mean you took Lahore and Islamabad.
You guys are born cowards, the RSS didnt fight the Colonial rule , you welcomed it..look at the Chumps leading you. Where was the USA? In America 
You mean you took Lahore and Islamabad.
Why are you all just salty these days and not funny anymore? What happened? I guess Pakistanis were great at memes until they got punched in the face lol
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Why are you still denial that knocked out your biggest weapon out of the sky. I thought you were a serious poster
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Once again, we talk about objectives. We talk about hitting our marks. We made hits on terrorist hubs inside Pakistan. Damaged 11 of your military bases and three salaries images at your faces to check the proofs.
If at all we lost 1-2 aircraft’s along the way inside our territory without losing any pilot, it’s a win for us.
It’s not our nature to celebrate fake stories and celebrate when the nation got humiliated.
Enjoy your failed marshal dictator for another decade who shamelessly promoted himself after destroying your nation
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So you did lose planes and not one or 2, triple it. You hit Jack except some civilian targets and that was only because the Junta and Modi had a set game but our Air force showed you what losers you guys are.
Lol you don’t have an airforce. You are an aircraft testing agency that works on China’s payroll. Do you even pay for this stuff? You do know you beg IMF for just a billion dollar. There’s no way you’re buying this and god knows what all you are doing to even get these mediocre stuff from China that couldn’t save your military sites being hit for fun
Anyway, enjoy your joker Shehbaz Shareef and Failed Marshal Munir for another decade screwing your country even more
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Modi claimed in 2019, that if we had the Rafales, the outcomes would be different,well you had them and a pliant Junta but you still ended up kacking your pants. The fact that Fr manufacturers lost value tells what a crock of shiite your airforce is.Lol you don’t have an airforce. You are an aircraft testing agency that works on China’s payroll. Do you even pay for this stuff? You do know you beg IMF for just a billion dollar. There’s no way you’re buying this and god knows what all you are doing to even get these mediocre stuff from China that couldn’t save your military sites being hit for fun
You guys are funny.
When someone smashes your house apart, you don’t celebrate keeping their shoes
Funny country lol
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Don't forget- apparently you also took Islamabad.You guys are funny.
When someone smashes your house apart, you don’t celebrate keeping their shoes
Funny country lol
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It's not the weapon but who uses it. In 2019 you said the same and here we are.
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Now watch US come and offer India the F35 option to derail the AMCA and the indigenous jet engine projects...
Indians have to stay clear of all foreign fighter jets and go all out on the AMCA and the Kaveri Engine...
What happened to your flying samosas?
Yup
Suddenly GE would have sorted out its supply chain constraints and be ready with a dozen jet engines.
Suddenly Russians would offer a great deal.
Anyway i think believe we need 2-3 squadrons of 5th gen fighter jet on immediate basis as a stop gap arrangement and Su-57 is the ideal candidate so far. They need to negotiate a better deal with Russia..
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Big leap for India’s aerospace!!
Dassault Aviation
Tata Advanced Systems to manufacture Rafale fighter fuselage in Hyderabad — the first time ever outside France.
Production begins FY2028, strengthening India's global aerospace footprint.
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Dassault Aviation
Tata Advanced Systems to manufacture Rafale fighter fuselage in Hyderabad — the first time ever outside France.Production begins FY2028, strengthening India's global aerospace footprint.
Dassault Aviation: Dassault Aviation partners with Tata Advanced Systems to manufacture Rafale fighter aircraft fuselage for India and other global markets
Dassault Aviation partners with Tata Advanced Systems to manufacture Rafale fighter aircraft fuselage for India and other global markets First-ever Rafale...
Big leap for India’s aerospace!!
Dassault Aviation
Production begins FY2028, strengthening India's global aerospace footprint.
Dassault Aviation: Dassault Aviation partners with Tata Advanced Systems to manufacture Rafale fighter aircraft fuselage for India and other global markets
Dassault Aviation partners with Tata Advanced Systems to manufacture Rafale fighter aircraft fuselage for India and other global markets First-ever Rafale...
Its happening.
Mark my words, but in mid 2030s we will be bombarding Pakistan with Indian made fighter jets fitted with BrahMos-II
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War is not the answer bro, we need to aim for that 10 trillion $$ economy by 2030 instead.
Bharat is quietly but decisively shifting its strategic defense alignments. France is a major hub for advanced weaponry and is quietly but steadily and significantly emerging as a long-term defense partner and co-development collaborator.
Given the sensitivities around critical tech and IP sharing, France’s willingness to engage is significant, even if they're not there yet. These negotiations are often hard fought and long and are only smoothened by building trust over time. It doesn't happen overnight. Doesn't matter iof you buy 30 Rafales or 150 Rafales, it's about long term political, economic and strategic alignment between nations. Reliability matters deeply in defense, and France is proving to be a trusted partner. It also enhances India’s diplomatic leverage by aligning with a leading EU economy.
Having said that, i will always say that our historical defense ties with Russia should be respected because they openly supported us when we didn't have much leverage and India must continue to respect that legacy relationship and must continue to proudly support Russian sovereignty in principle. But the reality is that Russia’s global influence is waning, and it is increasingly aligning under China. While the legacy bond remains, India must prioritize new partnerships that reflect today’s strategic realities.
France has consistently shown political steadiness and a readiness to treat India as an equal — from refraining from sanctions post-1998 nuclear tests to backing India’s UNSC ambitions and offering meaningful tech co-development in fighters and engines. It stands apart as India’s most dependable Western ally. It's clear message to both Moscow and Washington. To Russia, they signal India’s gradual move towards strategic autonomy. To the US, they underscore that India values partnerships based on reciprocity, not pressure. India is shaping a multipolar defense strategy — and France is emerging as a cornerstone of that vision.
Given the sensitivities around critical tech and IP sharing, France’s willingness to engage is significant, even if they're not there yet. These negotiations are often hard fought and long and are only smoothened by building trust over time. It doesn't happen overnight. Doesn't matter iof you buy 30 Rafales or 150 Rafales, it's about long term political, economic and strategic alignment between nations. Reliability matters deeply in defense, and France is proving to be a trusted partner. It also enhances India’s diplomatic leverage by aligning with a leading EU economy.
Having said that, i will always say that our historical defense ties with Russia should be respected because they openly supported us when we didn't have much leverage and India must continue to respect that legacy relationship and must continue to proudly support Russian sovereignty in principle. But the reality is that Russia’s global influence is waning, and it is increasingly aligning under China. While the legacy bond remains, India must prioritize new partnerships that reflect today’s strategic realities.
France has consistently shown political steadiness and a readiness to treat India as an equal — from refraining from sanctions post-1998 nuclear tests to backing India’s UNSC ambitions and offering meaningful tech co-development in fighters and engines. It stands apart as India’s most dependable Western ally. It's clear message to both Moscow and Washington. To Russia, they signal India’s gradual move towards strategic autonomy. To the US, they underscore that India values partnerships based on reciprocity, not pressure. India is shaping a multipolar defense strategy — and France is emerging as a cornerstone of that vision.
This is an economic miracle happening right before our eyes. Aviations & Defense sectors are huge and they create thousands of jobs , enough to transform cities and lives of thousands of families.
Its just the beginning.
India is taking over!
Our enemy which is delusional and half crack has no idea what's going to hit them very soon. They cannot keep up with this.
Its just the beginning.
India is taking over!
Our enemy which is delusional and half crack has no idea what's going to hit them very soon. They cannot keep up with this.
I genuinely respect China for building an ecosystem where they manufacture almost everything domestically. It’s a feat few nations can match. But what’s often underrated is the power of collaboration and that’s exactly where India outshines China in terms of its global exposure and demonstrated value additions. Unlike China’s self-contained model, India has forged deep, trusted defense partnerships with Russia, France, Israel, and the US and has repeatedly shown the ability to take foreign tech and co-develop it into world-class systems.
Like mentioned above, take the BrahMos missile which is an Indo-Russian creation that has become the world’s fastest and most precise supersonic cruise missile. China has absolutely nothing close in operational deployment. And with BrahMos-II, hypersonic capability is coming next.
Then there’s the Rafale deal with France which is not just a purchase, but a long-term strategic relationship now as evident from the signings above involving tech transfer, local servicing, and potential future co-development.
Barak-8, the India-Israel surface-to-air missile system, is another stellar example. Jointly developed, it now protects India’s critical naval assets and is sought after by other countries too.
Even the S-400 air defense system from Russia is being integrated into India’s multi-layered missile. India will improve the range and radar systems of Akash missiles system and will eventually have a product at S-500 level in the near future. Already we demonstrated better deployment of S-400s against Pakistan when even Russian S-400s weren't that effectively deployed against Ukraine.
Joint fighter jet engine development MoU has been signed already with Safran, France and GE is still in the picture provided how the US-India relation dynamics work.
India is silently but very very significantly building up its indigenous defense industry through meaningful collaborations with some of the finest players in the business, in-turn building a defense ecosystem that’s modern, world leading and going to be proudly indigenous in the near future!
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Like mentioned above, take the BrahMos missile which is an Indo-Russian creation that has become the world’s fastest and most precise supersonic cruise missile. China has absolutely nothing close in operational deployment. And with BrahMos-II, hypersonic capability is coming next.
Then there’s the Rafale deal with France which is not just a purchase, but a long-term strategic relationship now as evident from the signings above involving tech transfer, local servicing, and potential future co-development.
Barak-8, the India-Israel surface-to-air missile system, is another stellar example. Jointly developed, it now protects India’s critical naval assets and is sought after by other countries too.
Even the S-400 air defense system from Russia is being integrated into India’s multi-layered missile. India will improve the range and radar systems of Akash missiles system and will eventually have a product at S-500 level in the near future. Already we demonstrated better deployment of S-400s against Pakistan when even Russian S-400s weren't that effectively deployed against Ukraine.
Joint fighter jet engine development MoU has been signed already with Safran, France and GE is still in the picture provided how the US-India relation dynamics work.
India is silently but very very significantly building up its indigenous defense industry through meaningful collaborations with some of the finest players in the business, in-turn building a defense ecosystem that’s modern, world leading and going to be proudly indigenous in the near future!
@BouncerGuy @FearlessRoar @Cpt. Rishwat @DeadlyVenom @the Great Khan @KingKhanWC @Major @Slim @IAJ @Devadwal @Romali_rotti @Rajdeep @Varun @Hikaru @cricketjanoon @RexRex @MP2011
And by the way this is Donald Trump taking L after L from PM Modi.
The MoU that we signed with SAFRAN could have been with GE
The fuselage production agreement we signed with Dassault could have been Lockheed Martin.
India is increasingly distancing itself from US defense industry and it must be making Trump fuming with anger already He has through his antics lost the biggest weapons buyer in the world 
All he has is civilian aircraft orders from the gulf nations. Has anyone seen reports of frustrated Emiratis who expected Trumo to pledge investments in the Gulf but were forced to listen to Trump’s lies about reverse investments into the US instead from their side
The MoU that we signed with SAFRAN could have been with GE
The fuselage production agreement we signed with Dassault could have been Lockheed Martin.
India is increasingly distancing itself from US defense industry and it must be making Trump fuming with anger already
He has through his antics lost the biggest weapons buyer in the world All he has is civilian aircraft orders from the gulf nations. Has anyone seen reports of frustrated Emiratis who expected Trumo to pledge investments in the Gulf but were forced to listen to Trump’s lies about reverse investments into the US instead from their side
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The S400 was relatively easy to understand, Russia would never offer China the S400 which they offered to India. I made a post about this year's ago here, indicating that the S400 China got is more or a S300 that was upgraded in the form of an S400.
Russia would never offer the true S400 to China who they have border disputes with, fully knowing they would copy it, make cheap junk version and take Russia's market share away. Also another golden rule, you never give potent weapons to anyone you share a border with.
India will never be a threat to Russia and also India is Russia's trump card when China starts getting over confident.. Russians will never jeapordise their relations with India and vice versa....
Another reason why I have always maintained that these cheap Russian copied Chinese made jets like j10 j17 are nothing to worry about, Russians have given zero potent tech to China and these Chinese made copies of these planes are trash...
To the jet Engine, Safran or no other country will give India the crystal blade technology, we will have to solve this riddle on our own. Work with the major private players like Adani, Tata and other government institutions with the help of our brilliant engineers from IIT to complete the indigenous engine... We will get there only a matter of time...
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