Does India have a better bowling attack than Pakistan right now?

[Statsman]

Key bowlers:
Test
India - Ashwin, Jaḍeja, Shami, Bhuvi, Jayant Yadav, Umesh Yadav
Pakistan - Yasir Shah, Wahab Riaz, Mohammad Amir, Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan

ODIs/T20s
India - Bhumrah, Bhuvi, Jaḍeja, Ashwin, Paṇḍya
Pakistan - Mohammad Amir, Imad Wasim, Junaid Khan, Hassan Ali, Wahab Riaz

 

[Shafi]

Better than Afghanistan for sure but worse than Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan

 

[szrana007]

I would say, yes

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Pointless comparison that will lead to only fights.

Plus it doesn't matter anyways.

Pakistan currently isn't the test best bowling unit in the world. Nor is it near the best. In Asia, they are heavily dependent on Yasir alone.

Though in ODIs, Amir and Hassan seem to be really good and Imad (atleast for now) is a good LOI spinner with solid line and lengths.

As for India, add in Shami to our ODI unit. He is objectively our best bowler in ODIs.

Indian test bowling in Asia is the most fearsome unit out there. Outside Asia, you can speculate but as of now, it can't be rated. We did show some good signs in WI but then we showed good signs in WI even in 2011 before getting butchered by England and Aus in 2011.

 

[Statsman]

Pointless comparison that will lead to only fights.

Plus it doesn't matter anyways.

Pakistan currently isn't the test best bowling unit in the world. Nor is it near the best. In Asia, they are heavily dependent on Yasir alone.

Though in ODIs, Amir and Hassan seem to be really good and Imad (atleast for now) is a good LOI spinner with solid line and lengths.

As for India, add in Shami to our ODI unit. He is objectively our best bowler in ODIs.

Indian test bowling in Asia is the most fearsome unit out there. Outside Asia, you can speculate but as of now, it can't be rated. We did show some good signs in WI but then we showed good signs in WI even in 2011 before getting butchered by England and Aus in 2011.

Not sure why it doesn't matter.

Any way, wonder why you say its mere speculation to rate our bowling outside Asia when the same attack (Shami, Ashwin, Jaḍeja, Yadav, Bhuvi etc.) have toured almost all countries and some multiple times.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Yah for quite some time now.

 

[Buffet]

Only in spin unit, Indians are better. In pace unit, it's comparable.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Can we have Shami for Amir please?

 

[saeedhk]

Yes. India has been a better bowling unit for the past three or four years. Pakistan's bowling is vastly overrated. Pandya is a better bowler than all current Pakistani fast bowlers !

 

[JaDed]

On team level yes they usually play on plans designed in dressing rooms,on individual level I still think not atleast not yet except Shami.

 

[IAJ]

For the current pakistani bowlers the problem is in the mind and lack of consistency I think, if they can switch the cricketing brains with current indian bowlers they will become one of the best in World again.

 

[aniket1911]

If we compare bowling attacks then India is better. However, one or two Pakistani bowlers are better than their Indian counterparts, I am pretty sure Indian fielding will make even Junaid khan look world class.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

On current form

Shami = Amir
BK > Junaid
Bumrah = Hasan Ali (both new and have potential)
Jadeja > Mohd Nawaz/Imad Wasim
Ashwin > Yasir Shah

India definitely have the best attack in Asia.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Indian test bowling in Asia is the most fearsome unit out there. Outside Asia, you can speculate but as of now, it can't be rated. We did show some good signs in WI but then we showed good signs in WI even in 2011 before getting butchered by England and Aus in 2011.

Speculate? This attack has been playing away quite often since 2013, only Bumrah is a recent addition.



Shami, Yadav, Ishant clearly are our wicket-taking options in LOI's. BK can be useful addition in Eng/NZ if conditions suit his swing bowling. India is shaping to have a good LOI attack to go with experience and guile of Ashwin and Jadeja.

We need a good enough bowling attack with the batting we have, we don't necessarily need the best in the world but we are definitely the best in Asia.

 

[Rayyman]

India's bowling looked good in the Test series. I realize that. That's cause spinners took pressure off quicks. Even Rahat and Imran looked like ATGs vs Eng and Aus in UAE. So I think that in Tests, Ind Pacers=Pak pacers, Ind spinners>Pak pacers. So India is better in Tests because of their spinners. Pakistan is better in LOIs though. Pakistan bowlers bowled out Aus for 230 on a complete pancake at MCG. I don't think India can do that. In LOIs, Ind pacers<Pak pacers, Ind spinners=Pak spinners. So Pakistan is better in LOIs because of their pacers.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] nevermind my previous post . I thought you were referring to our ODI attack.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not sure why it doesn't matter.

Any way, wonder why you say its mere speculation to rate our bowling outside Asia when the same attack (Shami, Ashwin, Jaḍeja, Yadav, Bhuvi etc.) have toured almost all countries and some multiple times.

Pakistan bowling ain't the benchmark in recent times.

Speculate outside asia as in good India are in general. Not comparison wise.

In general, they have been poor outside asia.

 

[Princejain191]

India has the better bowling attack in Asia(in tests) without a doubt. Two top quality spinners, backed by 2 genuine fast bowlers in Shami and Umesh and if pitch assists the fast bowlers, Bhuvi is as good as any. Ishant is a workhorse and on a pitch with no help, will give you those important economical overs that complements the spinners. Pakistan has a really good spinner in Yasir, but he lacks smartness and if you can get on top of him early on, he can be dominated. Riaz is really good but he just stays in his own lines, the other bowler bowling with him doesn't really matter - doesn't hunt in a pack.

If I had to choose an Ind-Pak XI, then last 5 in Asia would read (based on batting, bowling and fielding abilities) - Ashwin, Jadeja, Riaz/Amir, Shami, Bhuvi/Ishant/Yasir.

If it is a flat pitch - Ishant and Riaz. A helpful pitch for fast bowlers - Bhuvi and Amir. Spinner's paradise - Yasir and Riaz.


Outside India - Ashwin, Jadeja, Riaz/Amir, Shami, Bhuvi/Ishant/Riaz.

On flat pitches - Ishant, Riaz. On swinging pitches - Bhuvi, Amir. On bouncy pitches - Amir and Riaz.

 

[troodon]

Shami/BK/Bumrah/Ashwin/Jaddu is a very potent attack.

The problem is, none of these hardly every play together. They are always injured. Especially Shami and BK. So we will be forced to play Yadav or Mohit or someother random trundler who gets destroyed.

Pak bowling is not veyr bad. They are still pretty decent. Amir is still world class and their 2nd bowler can put up world class performances like Hasan Ali. Problem is their spin bowling. Pak's spin department is pretty lousy right now. Yasir needs to comeback strong. Guys like Malik/Hafeez will not cut it for Pak. A serious wicket taking spin bowling option is needed.

 

[spade]

Definitely a better bowling attack than pak, good new ball bowlers and excellent death over bowlers with repeated yorkers being executed by bhuv, bumrah. I haven't seen any yorkers being attempted by any pak bowlers.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Definitely a better bowling attack than pak, good new ball bowlers and excellent death over bowlers with repeated yorkers being executed by bhuv, bumrah. I haven't seen any yorkers being attempted by any pak bowlers.

Yup, let's do away with SRs, averages, economy rates and concentrate on yorkers now cuz Bumrah has a world-class yorker.

Some posters here are extremely delusional.

Indian bowling attack is nowhere near Pakistan's in LOIs atleast.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Yes. India has been a better bowling unit for the past three or four years. Pakistan's bowling is vastly overrated. Pandya is a better bowler than all current Pakistani fast bowlers !

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Since 2015 in ODIs:

Pandya
Matches: 7
Wickets: 9
Avg: 32.88
Econ. rate : 5.80

Amir
Matches: 13
Wickets: 19
Avg: 28.94
Econ. Rate: 4.97

Hasan Ali
Matches: 12
Wickets: 21
Avg.: 26.23
Econ. Rate: 5.47

All this despite the fact that Hardik has played all matches in home conditions whereas both Amir and Hasan Ali have played all matches in foreign conditions.

Koi Sharam Hoti Hai, Koi Haya Hoti Hai

 

[aniket1911]

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Since 2015 in ODIs:

Pandya
Matches: 7
Wickets: 9
Avg: 32.88
Econ. rate : 5.80

Amir
Matches: 13
Wickets: 19
Avg: 28.94
Econ. Rate: 4.97

Hasan Ali
Matches: 12
Wickets: 21
Avg.: 26.23
Econ. Rate: 5.47

All this despite the fact that Hardik has played all matches in home conditions whereas both Amir and Hasan Ali have played all matches in foreign conditions.

Koi Sharam Hoti Hai, Koi Haya Hoti Hai

The very fact you had to use stats to show the fallacy in his statement embodies the current state of Pakistani team.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

The very fact you had to use stats to show the fallacy in his statement embodies the current state of Pakistani team.

What are you even trying to say? &#55358;&#56596;&#55358;&#56596;

 

[aloo paratha]

Easily, much better in tests. Comparable in ODIs.

 

[aloo paratha]

The very fact you had to use stats to show the fallacy in his statement embodies the current state of Pakistani team.

Lol what the hell, he just proved you wrong and that's your way to brush it off?

 

[160KPH]

Pandya has been opening the bowling for India. What else needs to be said here?

 

[Buffet]

Indian bowling attack is nowhere near Pakistan's in LOIs atleast.

Here is Pakistani bowling unit vs all other bowling units in the last 2 years in ODI.

 

[Haz95]

Both are at the lower end. Talking in tests and ODIs collectively.

Both the Pakistani and Indian fans base most their opinions on assumptions and hypothetical situations...from dropped catches to taking wickets on a relatively flatter wicket at home meaning they'd be world class everywhere.

I'd rate the Indians slightly better in tests as their Spin trio is pretty deadly and their test pacers are a bit better and the Pakistanis slightly better in ODIs as they're a bit more well rounded.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Here is Pakistani bowling unit vs all other bowling units in the last 2 years in ODI.

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Wow dude just wow.

You wanna use stats now to manipulate the argument.

Look, we're talking about the CURRENT bowling lineup and the title says "right now" as well.

The Pakistani bowling attack I'm referring to is Amir, Junaid, Hasan, Imad, Hafeez and Malik.

That attack is definitely better than the CURRENT Indian bowling attack.

 

[90MPH]

Both are at the lower end. Talking in tests and ODIs collectively.

Both the Pakistani and Indian fans base most their opinions on assumptions and hypothetical situations...from dropped catches to taking wickets on a relatively flatter wicket at home meaning they'd be world class everywhere.

I'd rate the Indians slightly better in tests as their Spin trio is pretty deadly and their test pacers are a bit better and the Pakistanis slightly better in ODIs as they're a bit more well rounded.

Yes I agree with that assessment.

Pakistan bowling is still decent but not as good as it used to be.

However they can still put Pakistan in decent positions to win and has the capability to do well where as the batting doesn't always have the capability to score big, especially in ODIs.

 

[90MPH]

Indian bowling looks decent in Tests but it can still be smashed around in ODIs like we have seen recently.

 

[Buffet]

Wow dude just wow.

You wanna use stats now to manipulate the argument.

Look, we're talking about the CURRENT bowling lineup and the title says "right now" as well.

The Pakistani bowling attack I'm referring to is Amir, Junaid, Hasan, Imad, Hafeez and Malik.

That attack is definitely better than the CURRENT Indian bowling attack.

Why don't you put some supporting data to back up claims? If you think last 2 years performance is too old then look at the last 1 year and Pakistan still has a poor record. Now if you start talking about last 2 or 4 match then it's meaningless.

India is anyway not a good bowling side, but I will be interested to see any supporting data for Pakistani ODI bowling unit doing well. My impression - Pakistani ODI side is pretty ordinary bowling side after Ajmal was done. Forget about comparison, just present some data which puts Pakistani bowling unit in good light. I will be honest here, I don't watch all matches involving India and Pakistan fully so I am just going by data here and looking for some data as well if you have something to share.

 

[90MPH]

Show me the data - reminds me of Peter Moores.

Select the data you want, select a time frame and bingo it can be manipulated in many ways.

Jeez some to need to relax about cricinfo stats on everything especially ODI cricket when it's so formulaic in any case.

 

[Buffet]

I personally don't think that India and Pakistan are far apart in any format as bowling unit. Indians have done slightly better in India in test, but that is hard to judge when Pakistan is only playing in slower turning surfaces. In ODI, I don't see huge difference between these two bowling unit as well. I rate both as ordinary.

 

[Buffet]

Actual performance, let's avoid talking about it.

Potential, talent etc - let's talk about it.

Story for some folks ...

 

[Hasan123]

India is ahead in tests, in odis I think we're building a good attack. India have a good attack as well. I don't think there is a lot too choose from in LO, India having Ashwin and Jadeja may give them the slight edge. Better to judge when India have played there best attack including Shami and when Pakistan attack has a bigger sample size with Hasan,Junaid,Amir,Imad.

 

[saeedhk]

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Since 2015 in ODIs:

Pandya
Matches: 7
Wickets: 9
Avg: 32.88
Econ. rate : 5.80

Amir
Matches: 13
Wickets: 19
Avg: 28.94
Econ. Rate: 4.97

Hasan Ali
Matches: 12
Wickets: 21
Avg.: 26.23
Econ. Rate: 5.47

All this despite the fact that Hardik has played all matches in home conditions whereas both Amir and Hasan Ali have played all matches in foreign conditions.

Koi Sharam Hoti Hai, Koi Haya Hoti Hai

Pakistan's bowling average has been 37 in the last two years; it is mediocre by all standards. Hasan has done well lately. On the other hand, Amir has been rubbish since his comeback; he even failed to take wickets on bowling decks in tests. A vastly overrated bowler.

 

[saeedhk]

Wow dude just wow.

You wanna use stats now to manipulate the argument.

Look, we're talking about the CURRENT bowling lineup and the title says "right now" as well.

The Pakistani bowling attack I'm referring to is Amir, Junaid, Hasan, Imad, Hafeez and Malik.

That attack is definitely better than the CURRENT Indian bowling attack.

If you want to show current performance of Pakistani bowlers, why did u take Amir's bowling average since his comeback? Why not show what he averages in the last five ODIs? Bik gay hai gormint.

 

[Syed1]

Pakistan's bowling average has been 37 in the last two years; it is mediocre by all standards. Hasan has done well lately. On the other hand, Amir has been rubbish since his comeback; he even failed to take wickets on bowling decks in tests. A vastly overrated bowler.

Lol not one of the bowlers that played in Pakistan's last ODI was playing two years ago.

 

[Rayyman]

Lol not one of the bowlers that played in Pakistan's last ODI was playing two years ago.

Yeah he's giving stats of Anwar Ali, Umar Gul, Mohammad Irfan, Wahab Riaz and Yasir Shah.

 

[Sadevdesai]

Easy ..... just look at the Rankings !!!!

 

[Balthazar]

We may be better than Pakistan but that title is of no meaning at all. We should be aiming for top two position like we have in the batting unit.

 

[street cricketer]

India have been better for sometime now in LOIs and it's reflected in tournaments - champions trophy 13, world cup 15, WT20, etc.. Don't know why people are debating about it.

However Pakistan's pacers, though not world class in their own right, had an edge on the Indian pacers and had the ability to turn up overseas from time to time unlike the Indian pacers. But their performance was uninspiring in England, NZ and Australia and their dependency on Yasir was exposed a bit during the tours. Personally I expected Amir to shine in NZ and Eng but have a tough time in Australia but he disappointed me a bit. Wahab was penetrative quite a few times but was expensive and it disrupted him from developing any sort of rhythm. So I don't see much difference between the two pace attacks in test cricket too. If anything, the Indian pacers are more potent and attacking in Asia (albeit with the help of the spin attack). I think Pakistan should debut Hasan ali in tests and do away with Sohail, Imran, Rahat et al.

 

[roshanrocks]

Key bowlers:
Test
India - Ashwin, Jaḍeja, Shami, Bhuvi, Jayant Yadav, Umesh Yadav
Pakistan - Yasir Shah, Wahab Riaz, Mohammad Amir, Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan

ODIs/T20s
India - Bhumrah, Bhuvi, Jaḍeja, Ashwin, Paṇḍya
Pakistan - Mohammad Amir, Imad Wasim, Junaid Khan, Hassan Ali, Wahab Riaz

This is not going to be an easy comparison to make.

Pakistan bowlers have a disadvantage of playing with poor fielding Unit. Secondly Pakistani batsman (ODI's atleast) are below current standards.

(I am not good with words, so i will try explaining my points this way) Imagine Pakistan plays Australia on a pitch where 320 is par, but restrict them to say 280... Now the bowling attack has done well... But when the Pakistani batters go out they collapse for 240. Fans feel that the bowling wasnt good enough and blame the bowlers unfairly whereas it is the batting Unit which has been the major failure.

In India's case it seems like the opposite... Indian batters are so good we are not sure what the par score on a pitch really is.

Secondly when we look at stats, there is an anomaly. India normally plays on pitches which are high scoring in nature and smaller grounds and thus invariably the bowlers averages are all inflated. This seems to be the case even when India travel abroad. Pakistan seem to play in better bowling condition (I may be wrong) atleast where the norm is not 350 runs/innings.

Thus I feel comparison is difficult at this stage..

 

[street cricketer]

I thought the most impressive spell from the Pak pacers came from Wahab at the Oval when he ran through the middle order in quick time which laid the foundation for Pakistan's victory there. Other than that, there were not many great instances for Pakistan with the ball (especially in Australia which was a largely forgettable tour bowling wise) barring a few good moments for Sohail in England.

 

[Syed1]

It seems that all the kids are coming out to play.


Same 'mediocre' Pakistani bowling line-up dismissed Australia for 220 in their own home just a couple of matches ago, and a match before that had Australia for 160/6 and if it weren't for Azhar's captaincy Australia wouldn't have ended up with 270/9.

When was the last time "best in Asia" India managed that?

 

[Zak_Fan]

It seems that all the kids are coming out to play.


Same 'mediocre' Pakistani bowling line-up dismissed Australia for 220 in their own home just a couple of matches ago, and a match before that had Australia for 160/6 and if it weren't for Azhar's captaincy Australia wouldn't have ended up with 270/9.

When was the last time "best in Asia" India managed that?

This Pakistani obsession of "that match" or "that spell" needs to end. If better bowling attacks were decided by such comparisons, then India's Test attack with Agarkar that demolished Australia in Australia would rank higher than your legendary pace attack having Wasim, Waqar and Akhtar.

What makes Indian attack better today is having better bowlers. It has been proven over and over again in the last 2-3 years. Yet somehow, the only thing that matters to you is a single match that proves your point.

 

[Syed1]

This Pakistani obsession of "that match" or "that spell" needs to end. If better bowling attacks were decided by such comparisons, then India's Test attack with Agarkar that demolished Australia in Australia would rank higher than your legendary pace attack having Wasim, Waqar and Akhtar.

What makes Indian attack better today is having better bowlers. It has been proven over and over again in the last 2-3 years. Yet somehow, the only thing that matters to you is a single match that proves your point.

That is because the bowlers who are currently playing for Pakistan weren't even in the squad 2-3 years ago.

 

[street cricketer]

That is because the bowlers who are currently playing for Pakistan weren't even in the squad 2-3 years ago.

Then shouldn't that mean you need a bigger sample to rate them as just a match or two will end up distorting perceptions. Just as an example, Pakistan conceded 220 in the 2nd match but went on to concede 350 two matches after..

 

[Syed1]

Then shouldn't that mean you need a bigger sample to rate them as just a match or two will end up distorting perceptions. Just as an example, Pakistan conceded 220 in the 2nd match but went on to concede 350 two matches after..

Exactly that is what my premise was. You cannot rate India's bowling line better than Pakistan's because this is a completely revamped Pakistani bowling line up and has played less than 5 matches together. However, in those 4 matches they have shown more fight than what India did when they were down under.

 

[Statsman]

Exactly that is what my premise was. You cannot rate India's bowling line better than Pakistan's because this is a completely revamped Pakistani bowling line up and has played less than 5 matches together. However, in those 4 matches they have shown more fight than what India did when they were down under.

Its not completely revamped though. Unless I am missing something Hassan Ali is the only new addition who looks promising. Aamir has been playing for long. He even played that England series where the record was made. Junaid is making a comeback.
Reserves are still the same and has the worst ODI pacer currently - Wahab Riaz.

 

[street cricketer]

Exactly that is what my premise was. You cannot rate India's bowling line better than Pakistan's because this is a completely revamped Pakistani bowling line up and has played less than 5 matches together. However, in those 4 matches they have shown more fight than what India did when they were down under.

You could make the same case for India as well. It didn't have its best ODI bowler (Shami) in the entire series and played fringe players like Sran, Rishi Dhawan and Ishant who would not normally get a game in the first XI provided everyone's fit.

Ultimately you can only go with a good sample set in the past.

 

[saeedhk]

Lol not one of the bowlers that played in Pakistan's last ODI was playing two years ago.

That doesn't mean anything. All except Hassan have played a fairly reasonable number of games to be judged. And, two years ago, Pakistan bowling was rated even more than it is today, wouldn't be an average of 37 pathetic for a world-class bowling unit?

 

[Vayuu]

Exactly that is what my premise was. You cannot rate India's bowling line better than Pakistan's because this is a completely revamped Pakistani bowling line up and has played less than 5 matches together. However, in those 4 matches they have shown more fight than what India did when they were down under.

That is because India played on one of the most placid tracks on this planet, and the u played 3 of the matches on slow pitches with spinner also playing huge part, in the 4th match u conceded 350 runs and end up losing by 87 runs.

 

[sarthak]

Like someone sensible mentioned at the beginning, there's no point of this comparison. Don't think either is a top 2 or 3 attack in the world based on all conditions/pitches.

However, needless to say, Pakistan has regressed massively.

 

[Varun]

Pakistan have always had the best bowling attack in the world. Who is puny India in comparison?

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

That doesn't mean anything. All except Hassan have played a fairly reasonable number of games to be judged. And, two years ago, Pakistan bowling was rated even more than it is today, wouldn't be an average of 37 pathetic for a world-class bowling unit?

Tell me, were Imad, Junaid and Hassan Ali or even Amir (he made his comeback at the end of 2015) present exactly 2 years ago??

As I said before we are talking about the CURRENT lineups. 2 years ago we had the likes of Rahat, Ehsan Adil, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz and Irfan, none of whom except for Wahab have played an ODI in recent tours.

I can't think of a worst comparison than
Amir, Hasan, Junaid vs Bumrah, Bhuvi, Pandya

I mean seriously they're not even comparable )

 

[street cricketer]

Tell me, were Imad, Junaid and Hassan Ali or even Amir (he made his comeback at the end of 2015) present exactly 2 years ago??

As I said before we are talking about the CURRENT lineups. 2 years ago we had the likes of Rahat, Ehsan Adil, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz and Irfan, none of whom except for Wahab have played an ODI in recent tours.

I can't think of a worst comparison than
Amir, Hasan, Junaid vs Bumrah, Bhuvi, Pandya

I mean seriously they're not even comparable )

Think you're massively overrating the Pak bowling line up. A lot of fans tend to do that forgetting the fact that the above mentioned bowlers aren't the same class as the bowlers of the 90s.

If you were trolling, forget about it.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Think you're massively overrating the Pak bowling line up. A lot of fans tend to do that forgetting the fact that the above mentioned bowlers aren't the same class as the bowlers of the 90s.

If you were trolling, forget about it.

Of course they aren't. Except for pre-2010 Amir. But I'm not comparing them to 90s bowlers. I'm comparing them to CURRENT Indian bowlers. Not sure why you'd think equivalent to overrating them.

I'm not biased. I've watched both Pak vs Aus and Ind vs Eng matches on TV. I've seen enough of these guys to know who's better than who. I've found nothin special about Bumrah and Pandya and some posters here are talking as if Pak current bowling lineup still has Rao Iftikhar and Rana Naved

Bhuvi or Shami can make a case of being good bowlers but seriously Pandya and Bumrah are nowhere near. In fact, Pandya has only played in India/at home. That and I absolutely hate Bumrah's action. The guy is not far from getting injured if he maintains it.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Of course they aren't. Except for pre-2010 Amir. But I'm not comparing them to 90s bowlers. I'm comparing them to CURRENT Indian bowlers. Not sure why you'd think equivalent to overrating them.

I'm not biased. I've watched both Pak vs Aus and Ind vs Eng matches on TV. I've seen enough of these guys to know who's better than who. I've found nothin special about Bumrah and Pandya and some posters here are talking as if Pak current bowling lineup still has Rao Iftikhar and Rana Naved

Bhuvi or Shami can make a case of being good bowlers but seriously Pandya and Bumrah are nowhere near. In fact, Pandya has only played in India/at home. That and I absolutely hate Bumrah's action. The guy is not far from getting injured if he maintains it.

Pakistan has no bowler currently who is even comparable to Shami.

Bhuvi and Bumrah as a duo at worst are comparable to Amir and Junaid.

Jadeja and Ashwin are far ahead of Pakistani spin attack.

So, if you are honest to yourself, you will realize where Pakistani attack truly stands in comparison.

 

[street cricketer]

Of course they aren't. Except for pre-2010 Amir. But I'm not comparing them to 90s bowlers. I'm comparing them to CURRENT Indian bowlers. Not sure why you'd think equivalent to overrating them.

I'm not biased. I've watched both Pak vs Aus and Ind vs Eng matches on TV. I've seen enough of these guys to know who's better than who. I've found nothin special about Bumrah and Pandya and some posters here are talking as if Pak current bowling lineup still has Rao Iftikhar and Rana Naved

Bhuvi or Shami can make a case of being good bowlers but seriously Pandya and Bumrah are nowhere near. In fact, Pandya has only played in India/at home. That and I absolutely hate Bumrah's action. The guy is not far from getting injured if he maintains it.

I hope you do realise that India plays its ODI matches in small grounds on belters where 350 is the norm. Comparing it with matches in the big grounds of Australia will always give you a flawed comparison. Bumrah looked impressive in Australia but got belted in India. That is the kind of effect it has on the bowlers. Also it's more like Amir/Hasan/Junaid vs Shami/Bhuvi/Bumrah. Not sure why you keep including Pandya as he's more of an all rounder..

Anyway I'm still not able to understand why you overrate the Pak bowlers so much. I mean it's not like they conceded the highest total ever in an ODI is it?

 

[Pollack]

Performance wise absolutely correct even skillwise its almost the same.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Pakistan has no bowler currently who is even comparable to Shami.

Bhuvi and Bumrah as a duo at worst are comparable to Amir and Junaid.

Jadeja and Ashwin are far ahead of Pakistani spin attack.

So, if you are honest to yourself, you will realize where Pakistani attack truly stands in comparison.

I'm afraid I can only agree with Ashwin and Jadeja being ahead of Pakistani spin bowlers.

The rest is basically "Mera Bharat Mahaan" cuz I've seen enough of your posts to assume that you are biased. Maybe another of Amir's spectacular Mirpur-esque spells will finally open your eyes.

Oh and btw my fav batsman atm Virat Kohli has mentioned Amir as among the best in the world so that's enough for me

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

I hope you do realise that India plays its ODI matches in small grounds on belters where 350 is the norm. Comparing it with matches in the big grounds of Australia will always give you a flawed comparison. Bumrah looked impressive in Australia but got belted in India. That is the kind of effect it has on the bowlers. Also it's more like Amir/Hasan/Junaid vs Shami/Bhuvi/Bumrah. Not sure why you keep including Pandya as he's more of an all rounder..

Anyway I'm still not able to understand why you overrate the Pak bowlers so much. I mean it's not like they conceded the highest total ever in an ODI is it?

Well if you want to keep going back to one match then let me remind you that a Pak bowling attack 10 times worse than the current one defended 230 odd against SA at Eden Park in the 2015 World Cup which had not been done in this century.

 

[Statsman]

Well if you want to keep going back to one match then let me remind you that a Pak bowling attack 10 times worse than the current one defended 230 odd against SA at Eden Park in the 2015 World Cup which had not been done in this century.

India bundled them out for 25 less 2 weeks before, that too on a flatter pitch.

 

[street cricketer]

Well if you want to keep going back to one match then let me remind you that a Pak bowling attack 10 times worse than the current one defended 230 odd against SA at Eden Park in the 2015 World Cup which had not been done in this century.

Arrey bhai that is the fallacy of using single matches to prove your point. What's with the fascination with some Pak fans in using random matches to prove their point. You need a decent sample size to compare any stats.

In the same world cup which had the match you quoted, Pakistan averaged 38.07 with the ball against non minnows while India averaged 23.48. See how the perception changes..

Since Hasan ali made his debut, Pakistan have averaged 35.44 as a team with the ball in comparison to India's 30.33 despite India playing most of its matches on roads. I honestly can't see how Pakistan is superior as a bowling unit to India in ODIs. I always thought India were the better team with both bat and the ball in ODIs (hence the difference in rankings) while Pakistan had an edge with the ball in test cricket in the past (although that doesn't seem to be the case nowadays as well). Your posts come as a bit of surprise to me tbh..

 

[Statsman]

Arrey bhai that is the fallacy of using single matches to prove your point. What's with the fascination with some Pak fans in using random matches to prove their point. You need a decent sample size to compare any stats.

In the same world cup which had the match you quoted, Pakistan averaged 38.07 with the ball against non minnows while India averaged 23.48. See how the perception changes..

Since Hasan ali made his debut, Pakistan have averaged 35.44 as a team with the ball in comparison to India's 30.33 despite India playing most of its matches on roads. I honestly can't see how Pakistan is superior as a bowling unit to India in ODIs. I always thought India were the better team with both bat and the ball in ODIs (hence the difference in rankings) while Pakistan had an edge with the ball in test cricket in the past (although that doesn't seem to be the case nowadays as well). Your posts come as a bit of surprise to me tbh..

Very fair post. The obsession with "that match" and "that spell" and "that ball" needs to be halted.

 

[Pollack]

Shami >>>Amir
Ashwin>>Yasir
Jadeja>>>>>>>>>Imad,nawaj
Bhuvi>>>Amir(swing conditions)
Wahab>>>Umesh,Aron,Ishant,

Ready for backlash

 

[kukkad kamaal]

performance - indian bowlers
skill and talent- pakistani bowlers

 

[Pollack]

performance - indian bowlers
skill and talent- pakistani bowlers

Define talent.

 

[saeedhk]

Tell me, were Imad, Junaid and Hassan Ali or even Amir (he made his comeback at the end of 2015) present exactly 2 years ago??

As I said before we are talking about the CURRENT lineups. 2 years ago we had the likes of Rahat, Ehsan Adil, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz and Irfan, none of whom except for Wahab have played an ODI in recent tours.

I can't think of a worst comparison than
Amir, Hasan, Junaid vs Bumrah, Bhuvi, Pandya

I mean seriously they're not even comparable )

Exactly. The current line-up is mediocre as they come! They all are experienced enough to be judged especially who is all hype, no substance.

 

[soso_killer]

I think we'd have to wait for India to tour away from home to make any comparison.
Pakistan have recently played in England, Australia and NZ. It will be India's turn in the next 18 months or so.
It's not fair to judge attacks that are heavily reliant on spin and doing comparisons whilst they are playing in different conditions ATM

 

[Tusker]

I think we'd have to wait for India to tour away from home to make any comparison.
Pakistan have recently played in England, Australia and NZ. It will be India's turn in the next 18 months or so.
It's not fair to judge attacks that are heavily reliant on spin and doing comparisons whilst they are playing in different conditions ATM

Pak lost a Test to the mighty WI at home and came perilously close to losing another !!

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The last time we toured Australia, our attack averaged 51 with the ball over 4 tests. That was quite bad. However, Pakistan's test attack averaged 61 recently despite playing 1 test less and also playing a D/N night test. That is quite terrible and worse than ours imo.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Also our attack averaged 24.xx in SL while pakistan averaged 29.xx there. We averaged 25 in West Indies with the ball. It's left to be seen whether Pakistan can do better later this year.

 

[nextover666666]

The fact is and always will be India has the better batsman, and we have the better bowlers, it will always be like that. One thing is Indian bowlers have looked good compare to what they had in the past, also it helps that their fielding is not as bas as Pakistan because at least India can take catches whereas Pakistan will drop 5 in match which will never help your bowlers, even if you have the best attack in the world

 

[Haz95]

This question is similar to asking does Ireland have a better batting line up than Zimbabwe right now?

Both are quite average. I stick with what I said above.

 

[aniket1911]

What are you even trying to say? ����

Everybody and their dogs know that pandya is probably the worst bowler to play for India in recent times. When the other poster mentioned about pandya being better than Pakistani bowler, he was unquestionably trolling or frustrated.
It's a matter of extraordinary poignance that you need to prove he's wrong by posting stats.

Lol what the hell, he just proved you wrong and that's your way to brush it off?

Nope

 

[Stallion__]

In Tests, yes. In limited overs, no.