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Does Jasprit Bumrah have a legal action?

IMMY69 said:
100pct.
But these people will continue to bury their heads and use Pakistan and their "supposed" saltiness as a mask.

Bumrah shoukd be tested and that's the only logical outcome in all this
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Bumrah has been a exceptional bowler since the beginning. He didn't start bowling well yesterday.

First it was Bumrahs action is dodgy.

Then entire generation of batters are poor.

Then back to Bumrahs action is dodgy.

If Bumrah is tested and clears the test, BCCI influenced the test.

So the logical outcome is to ignore such biased opinion.
 
IMMY69 said:
I see some posters here only read what is convenient to them and ignore the fact that this thread was set up in 2016
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Bumrah has unique action and it was fair to ask the question in initial years. However, subsequently every expert like Ian Pont, Ian Bishop have categorically explained why he doesn't chuck with proper science based evidence about hyperextension. Pakistani fans still salty about him in 2024 only bcoz of their insecurity and jealousy. They did the same with Ashwin few years ago. You can twist it in any way you want but this is a fact.
 
Posting 3rd time here since likes of @IMMY69 is having sleepless nights that Bumrah has surpassed actual Immy as a bowler

https://twitter.com/x/status/1490735679898329090

Summarizing what Pont said:

'You can see his arm straight from the wrist to elbow. The rule is when it is above the vertical that the elbow must not bend past 15 degrees,' Pont said.

'You can clearly see the forward flexion in his arm, which is a hyperextension. This is allowed (a forward bend) for people with hyper-mobile joints.

'A hyperextension is a movement in a similar direction to the direction of movement - not downward or to the side. This is why Bumrah's action is classified as legal since it is within the guidelines of hypermobility.'

Nottingham Trent University senior lecturer in biomechanics Paul Felton has worked with numerous cricket coaches and further explained how the hypermobility is an advantage for Bumrah, but a legal one.

'His hypermobility also provides further advantages (in) that he is able to maintain alignment throughout his bowling action which reduces variability in his control of line and length,' he said.

'So, his hypermobility makes him unique. That he's able to maximise speed by accessing more optimal movement patterns which increases control and provide lower injury risk.'
 
BDfanforever said:
You don't have to compare to past legends. Competition is fierce even among current lot. Rabada, Cummins, Hazelwood, Anderson. Even someone like Chris Wokes is pretty good, and these guys even knows how to bat.
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Lmao fodder like Chris woakes
Stop embarrassing yourself. Anderson lmao yea 32 averaging fodder away from home.

Hazlewood is not a patch on bumrah. Neither are rabada and cummins on his level but yes the latter 2 are great bowlers themselves.
 
Rajdeep said:
Bumrah has unique action and it was fair to ask the question in initial years. However, subsequently every expert like Ian Pont, Ian Bishop have categorically explained why he doesn't chuck with proper science based evidence about hyperextension. Pakistani fans still salty about him in 2024 only bcoz of their insecurity and jealousy. They did the same with Ashwin few years ago. You can twist it in any way you want but this is a fact.
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I have remained consistent in my views since the very beginning.
 
Rajdeep said:
Posting 3rd time here since likes of @IMMY69 is having sleepless nights that Bumrah has surpassed actual Immy as a bowler

https://twitter.com/x/status/1490735679898329090

Summarizing what Pont said:

'You can see his arm straight from the wrist to elbow. The rule is when it is above the vertical that the elbow must not bend past 15 degrees,' Pont said.

'You can clearly see the forward flexion in his arm, which is a hyperextension. This is allowed (a forward bend) for people with hyper-mobile joints.

'A hyperextension is a movement in a similar direction to the direction of movement - not downward or to the side. This is why Bumrah's action is classified as legal since it is within the guidelines of hypermobility.'

Nottingham Trent University senior lecturer in biomechanics Paul Felton has worked with numerous cricket coaches and further explained how the hypermobility is an advantage for Bumrah, but a legal one.

'His hypermobility also provides further advantages (in) that he is able to maintain alignment throughout his bowling action which reduces variability in his control of line and length,' he said.

'So, his hypermobility makes him unique. That he's able to maximise speed by accessing more optimal movement patterns which increases control and provide lower injury risk.'
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With all due respect to Ian Pont, but how many hours of footage has he analysed and was this carried out in a centre with technology used to monitor the action like they did with other bowlers?

I fine it almost unbelievable that bowler with such an action has not been tested and the Indian Biasd/hyppcracy only comes in when I think that had it been a bowler from any other country, let alone from Pakistan, nobody here would blink an eye if they were called and sent for analysis in fact they would all be clamouring for it...

For the record, I think Akhtar did have hypertension but there were times when I think he used it to his advantage to chuck a few deliveries, especially when he was tired. This is precisely why I think Bumrah should be tested because from what I have seen not all his deliveries are bowled either the same flection.
 
IMMY69 said:
I have remained consistent in my views since the very beginning.
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Well you asked that this thread was started in 2016 as if that means anything. So I just explained the chronology and subsequent assessments done by bowling experts. So people who still holds up to the opinion that he chucks in 2024 is purely out of jealousy. Especially Pakistani fans considering they have done exact same thing with Ashwin few years ago
 
Rajdeep said:
Well you asked that this thread was started in 2016 as if that means anything. So I just explained the chronology and subsequent assessments done by bowling experts. So people who still holds up to the opinion that he chucks in 2024 is purely out of jealousy. Especially Pakistani fans considering they have done exact same thing with Ashwin few years ago
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Since 2016 I have always maintained my stance but have been shut down by mainly Indian members, some Pakistani too... in fact even Ian Pont came on here and made his point regarding the hyperextension.

Cricket is a beautiful game and some of the idiocies actually add to the game BUT there are somethings that ruin it.
For example, I would never have suspected Hasnain to be chucking, I just never picked it up watching on TV.
He played numerous games with any commentator mentioning it or any of the officials calling it. It was only when a player actually brought it up during a game when he was finally called.
So the point I'm trying to make is that in the world we're living in now, unfortunately players are not going to highlight it and the umpires in turn are never going to call it... that's just my opinion
 
IMMY69 said:
With all due respect to Ian Pont, but how many hours of footage has he analysed and was this carried out in a centre with technology used to monitor the action like they did with other bowlers?

I fine it almost unbelievable that bowler with such an action has not been tested and the Indian Biasd/hyppcracy only comes in when I think that had it been a bowler from any other country, let alone from Pakistan, nobody here would blink an eye if they were called and sent for analysis in fact they would all be clamouring for it...

For the record, I think Akhtar did have hypertension but there were times when I think he used it to his advantage to chuck a few deliveries, especially when he was tired. This is precisely why I think Bumrah should be tested because from what I have seen not all his deliveries are bowled either the same flection.
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You have got a lack of understanding of chucking, which is why you find it unbelievable. Chucking refers to the straightening of the arm, and not every bowler with an unusual action is a chucker. Bowlers like Shaun Pollock, Sohail Tanvir, Lasith Malinga, and Pathirana etc all have unusual actions, but that doesn’t mean they chuck. No umpire has ever called them out for chucking. Similarly, no umpire has called out Bumrah for chucking because no umpire has reported him.

I don’t understand what is so difficult for you to grasp. If you want to infer that umpires aren’t reporting him because of the BCCI’s money power, that’s your insecurity speaking. Even if he were tested tomorrow and cleared by ICC labs, you would still cry that he was exonerated due to the BCCI’s influence. Unfortunately, this delusion of yours seems to have no end.
 
Rajdeep said:
You have got a lack of understanding of chucking, which is why you find it unbelievable. Chucking refers to the straightening of the arm, and not every bowler with an unusual action is a chucker. Bowlers like Shaun Pollock, Sohail Tanvir, Lasith Malinga, and Pathirana etc all have unusual actions, but that doesn’t mean they chuck. No umpire has ever called them out for chucking. Similarly, no umpire has called out Bumrah for chucking because no umpire has reported him.

I don’t understand what is so difficult for you to grasp. If you want to infer that umpires aren’t reporting him because of the BCCI’s money power, that’s your insecurity speaking. Even if he were tested tomorrow and cleared by ICC labs, you would still cry that he was exonerated due to the BCCI’s influence. Unfortunately, this delusion of yours seems to have no end.
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The bowlers you've mention have unorthodox actions but their elbow doesn't bend and then extend at point of delivery.
 
IMMY69 said:
Since 2016 I have always maintained my stance but have been shut down by mainly Indian members, some Pakistani too... in fact even Ian Pont came on here and made his point regarding the hyperextension.

Cricket is a beautiful game and some of the idiocies actually add to the game BUT there are somethings that ruin it.
For example, I would never have suspected Hasnain to be chucking, I just never picked it up watching on TV.
He played numerous games with any commentator mentioning it or any of the officials calling it. It was only when a player actually brought it up during a game when he was finally called.
So the point I'm trying to make is that in the world we're living in now, unfortunately players are not going to highlight it and the umpires in turn are never going to call it... that's just my opinion
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I personally feel bowlers with hyperextensions shouldn't be allowed to ball as it gives them an unfair advantage.
 
IMMY69 said:
Since 2016 I have always maintained my stance but have been shut down by mainly Indian members, some Pakistani too... in fact even Ian Pont came on here and made his point regarding the hyperextension.

Cricket is a beautiful game and some of the idiocies actually add to the game BUT there are somethings that ruin it.
For example, I would never have suspected Hasnain to be chucking, I just never picked it up watching on TV.
He played numerous games with any commentator mentioning it or any of the officials calling it. It was only when a player actually brought it up during a game when he was finally called.
So the point I'm trying to make is that in the world we're living in now, unfortunately players are not going to highlight it and the umpires in turn are never going to call it... that's just my opinion
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This is exactly why you should not trust what you see from naked eye on tv. There are umpires and professionals on field to keep a track on suspected bowling action. If they find someone like Taskin or Hasnain to be chucking, they report it to the ICC testing committee. From naked eye there are many bowlers who seems to be throwing. I was watching Abbas Afridi yesterday and it clearly felt like chucking. However, I can't be sure from footage in tele and allow umpires to do the job.
 
Rajdeep said:
This is exactly why you should not trust what you see from naked eye on tv. There are umpires and professionals on field to keep a track on suspected bowling action. If they find someone like Taskin or Hasnain to be chucking, they report it to the ICC testing committee. From naked eye there are many bowlers who seems to be throwing. I was watching Abbas Afridi yesterday and it clearly felt like chucking. However, I can't be sure from footage in tele and allow umpires to do the job.
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snd this is precisely why I don't take Tv footage as the gospel truth and why he should be tested
 
The extreme Indian paranoia towards legitimate questions raised on Bumrah has made me question my earlier position on his actions.

Why are they so sensitive and hostile to people asking legitimate questions and their only response is to say you are jealous?
 
IMMY69 said:
The bowlers you've mention have unorthodox actions but their elbow doesn't bend and then extend at point of delivery.
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Think we are going in circles. The elbow bending is due to hyperextension as explained in details by the previous post of Ian Pont. However it doesnt mean chucking
 
Rajdeep said:
Think we are going in circles. The elbow bending is due to hyperextension as explained in details by the previous post of Ian Pont. However it doesnt mean chucking
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But this is the point.
If it's hyperextension and all his deliveries are due to this then surely he should be tested to confirm this?
 
IMMY69 said:
snd this is precisely why I don't take Tv footage as the gospel truth and why he should be tested
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Umpires need to report a bowler to get tested. This has been the rule always. Since no umpire have reported Bumrah, like no umpire has reported Abbas Afridi, they will not get tested. Yes, if you want to believe umpires are not reporting Bumrah due to BCCIs power, then its due to your insecurity. Even if he gets tested and cleared, you will still doubt the result of the lab.
 
IMMY69 said:
But this is the point.
If it's hyperextension and all his deliveries are due to this then surely he should be tested to confirm this?
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No that is not the point. The point is a standing umpire need to report him first to get tested. Bumrah has played multiple games under many international umpires and no one has reported him yet. So why should he be send to lab? Bcoz Pakistani fans are paranoid, is it? Then you say it is not jealousy.
 
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Rajdeep said:
Umpires need to report a bowler to get tested. This has been the rule always. Since no umpire have reported Bumrah, like no umpire has reported Abbas Afridi, they will not get tested. Yes, if you want to believe umpires are not reporting Bumrah due to BCCIs power, then its due to your insecurity. Even if he gets tested and cleared, you will still doubt the result of the lab.
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Well like I said in my earlier post, umpires will only do this if a player brings it up and a player will only do this if he is backed by the management who in turn are backed by their board...
 
IMMY69 said:
Well like I said in my earlier post, umpires will only do this if a player brings it up and a player will only do this if he is backed by the management who in turn are backed by their board...
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Not sure if I agree. No player alluded that Taskin Ahmed chucks in 2016 who from naked eye looked like a clean action. However umpires found some of his deliveries are beyond the permitted limit and send him to lab.

Also, what you mean by player backed by management? This is a give away of your true intention which I have always been highlighting. So you want boards to back players to gang upto Bumrah and force umpires to get tested.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You can elevate him to whatever stature you like, it doesn't make it true.
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Well, sincere apologies if any Indian has elevated to the level of god but his stats in cricket shows that he is indeed better than any Pakistani bowler, past or present. I am not making it up..lol.

This is the main reason why you guys want to be banned afterall...so you should know it.

Yes world takes Indians with pinch of salt but Pakistani opinions matters a lot 🤡
 
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Rajdeep said:
Not sure if I agree. No player alluded that Taskin Ahmed chucks in 2016 who from naked eye looked like a clean action. However umpires found some of his deliveries are beyond the permitted limit and send him to lab.

Also, what you mean by player backed by management? This is a give away of your true intention which I have always been highlighting. So you want boards to back players to gang upto Bumrah and force umpires to get tested.
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Don't imply something that is not true.
No one is going to do anything that is not in line either their teams policy.

I wouldn't do it in a club match let alone in international cricket.
 
IMMY69 said:
Don't imply something that is not true.
No one is going to do anything that is not in line either their teams policy.

I wouldn't do it in a club match let alone in international cricket.
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I am simply not following what are you trying to say here.

You want Bumrah to be tested in Lab.

However to test a bowler, umpire need to report him to the ICC authorities. Until now no umpire has reported him, just like a Shaheen Afridi or Abbas Afridi has not been reported.

Then you said players need to raise their voice for umpires to report a suspect action. Now you are saying players can't do that due to teams policy.

So what exactly is your problem and what you want ICC to do here?
 
AAli98 said:
The initial umpire who will call him for chucking must be fearing there will be no food to put on his table for him & his family. BCCI will run him out of town.
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Then imagine if he send to test lab, the specialists will also give him clean chit due to the same fear of no food for their families. So your whining will continue even if he gets tested.

Man the extent Pakistanis go and then they claim they are not jealous. LOL
 
Listen he needs testing simple on the new parameters that were bought in by the icc that cooked many bowlers like ajmal

There's definite suspicion with his action that at least warrants him being tested.

It has nothing to do with hyperextension for being called to get tested because shoaib akhtar is an example and muralitharan who were both called.

Like I said the spineless icc won't do anything it's only when of these hyperextension freaks ends up being produced by afghanistan , pakistan , bangladesh or sri lanka they will jump into action revise the hyperextension laws apply the 15 degrees to the hyperextension as well and make sure none of those countries produce a bowler of that caliber , there's already plenty of videos of youngsters throughout south Asia copying bumrah it's only a matter of time when some freak talent comes out like him and if he isn't india n but from the other Asian countries who have corrupt spineless cricket boards watch icc spring into action.

Just because umar gul became unplayable with the old white ball and was bowling reverse swinging yorker after yorker and pakistani spinners started getting more purchase from a softer older white ball and stifle the run rate the icc quickly sprung in and changed the rules 2 new balls for odi cricket.
 
Rajdeep said:
Then imagine if he send to test lab, the specialists will also give him clean chit due to the same fear of no food for their families. So your whining will continue even if he gets tested.

Man the extent Pakistanis go and then they claim they are not jealous. LOL
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Here’s another jealous pakistani

www.google.com

TV star says cricket is too woke to raise Indian bowler's big problem

Veteran sports commentator Ian Maurice believes the game of cricket is too woke to expose what he believes is a problem that could end the career of India's best bowler.
www.google.com
 
IMMY69 said:
I have also consistently maintained that some Indians display this massive sense of insecurity... you have just confirmed this
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India won last 2 test series in Australia due to Bumrah

India is still 1-1 in this series so far due to Bumrah

Bumrah won the T20 WC this year single handedly

No umpires have ever reported him for chucking

All cricket experts have explained his hyperextension

Jealous Pakistani fans want him to get tested bcoz they can't play him and chase 120 runs in a T20 WC game against him

And Indians are insecure, is it? Okay
 
Anyway, if this is your last engagement with me, let me clarify this for you

1. Bumrah won't be tested unless a standing umpire reports him
2. He won't be tested due to whims of Pakistani fans
3. Even if he gets tested and cleared, you will still cry about BCCI money

All of the above is only due to the fact that Bumrah has surpassed every single Pakistani fast bowler. This is called fear and paranoa.
 
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That is fine. If he overrated why does he rattle Pakistani fans so much?
 
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mazkhan said:
Listen he needs testing simple on the new parameters that were bought in by the icc that cooked many bowlers like ajmal

There's definite suspicion with his action that at least warrants him being tested.

It has nothing to do with hyperextension for being called to get tested because shoaib akhtar is an example and muralitharan who were both called.

Like I said the spineless icc won't do anything it's only when of these hyperextension freaks ends up being produced by afghanistan , pakistan , bangladesh or sri lanka they will jump into action revise the hyperextension laws apply the 15 degrees to the hyperextension as well and make sure none of those countries produce a bowler of that caliber , there's already plenty of videos of youngsters throughout south Asia copying bumrah it's only a matter of time when some freak talent comes out like him and if he isn't india n but from the other Asian countries who have corrupt spineless cricket boards watch icc spring into action.

Just because umar gul became unplayable with the old white ball and was bowling reverse swinging yorker after yorker and pakistani spinners started getting more purchase from a softer older white ball and stifle the run rate the icc quickly sprung in and changed the rules 2 new balls for odi cricket.
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Yea otherwise umar gul would have become the next akram if 2 balls werent introduced
 
Smbhayi said:
Here in pp some people still believes that Sachin's lbw footage (2011 wc) was edited live by bcci.. and they'll believe Bumrah's actions cleared due to BCCI's financial power (if he's reported)..
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Yes this the new line adopted now.
I doubt a test centre in England is going to care about India's feelings or are desperate for Indian money
 
Smbhayi said:
Here in pp some people still believes that Sachin's lbw footage (2011 wc) was edited live by bcci.. and they'll believe Bumrah's actions cleared due to BCCI's financial power (if he's reported)..
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Sachin was out LBW in 2011 WC.

That was a no ball from Nawaz to Kohli in WT20 2022.

Kumble's 10 wickets were gifted by umpires.

Ashwin and Bumrah are chuckers

ICC gave Indian special ball in WC 2023


Anything else I have missed in recent memory?

These guys are masters of conspiracy theorists where as history suggest that their country produced most number of chuckers and fixers.
 
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IMMY69 said:
Yes this the new line adopted now.
I doubt a test centre in England is going to care about India's feelings or are desperate for Indian money
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Why will he be tested in England?

When Hasnain was reported he was tested in Lahore.

If Any Indian bowler is reported he will be tested in Chennai.

Only if the home board doesn't have a testing facility will the player sent elsewhere.
 
Rajdeep said:
From last 2 days, every Pakistani here is dragging this one statement by Ian Maurice. Yesterday brother @DeadlyVenom did the same.
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They haven't even read the full article else they won't be posting it.

From the article:

At the time, renowned bowling coach and former England player Ian Pont explained why Bumrah's action is legal.

You can see his arm straight from the wrist to elbow. The rule is when it is above the vertical that the elbow must not bend past 15 degrees,' Pont said.

'You can clearly see the forward flexion in his arm, which is a hyperextension. This is allowed (a forward bend) for people with hyper-mobile joints.

'A hyperextension is a movement in a similar direction to the direction of movement - not downward or to the side. This is why Bumrah's action is classified as legal since it is within the guidelines of hypermobility.'

Nottingham Trent University senior lecturer in biomechanics Paul Felton has worked with numerous cricket coaches and further explained how the hypermobility is an advantage for Bumrah, but a legal one.

'His hypermobility also provides further advantages (in) that he is able to maintain alignment throughout his bowling action which reduces variability in his control of line and length,' he said.

'So, his hypermobility makes him unique. That he's able to maximise speed by accessing more optimal movement patterns which increases control and provide lower injury risk.'

Experts have spoken. But pakistanis are still in denial.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The extreme Indian paranoia towards legitimate questions raised on Bumrah has made me question my earlier position on his actions.

Why are they so sensitive and hostile to people asking legitimate questions and their only response is to say you are jealous?
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There is no paranoia.

Legitimate questions? People who don't even know what the ICC law is, who don't even know what hyper extension is or what flexion is, saying things is legitimate question?

Experts explaining the actual process isn't enough?
 
IMMY69 said:
The bowlers you've mention have unorthodox actions but their elbow doesn't bend and then extend at point of delivery.
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His elbow doesn't bend and extend at the point of delivery.

His elbow goes beyond 180 degrees at extension. That's hyper extension.
 
IMMY69 said:
With all due respect to Ian Pont, but how many hours of footage has he analysed and was this carried out in a centre with technology used to monitor the action like they did with other bowlers?

I fine it almost unbelievable that bowler with such an action has not been tested and the Indian Biasd/hyppcracy only comes in when I think that had it been a bowler from any other country, let alone from Pakistan, nobody here would blink an eye if they were called and sent for analysis in fact they would all be clamouring for it...

For the record, I think Akhtar did have hypertension but there were times when I think he used it to his advantage to chuck a few deliveries, especially when he was tired. This is precisely why I think Bumrah should be tested because from what I have seen not all his deliveries are bowled either the same flection.
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Akhtar no matter what anyone says here cannot chuck with the same action. That's not possible. Flexing and then extension and hyper extension are two different movements of the joints. Going in opposite directions.

Ian Pont has seen and analysed more bowling footage than the entire PP put together. He is an expert on this.

There have been others like Paul Fulton of Nottingham Trent University who is a biomechanics expert who has said the same thing about Bumrah.

Then there have been the likes of Damien Fleming, Ian Bishop, Pakistan's own Rashid Latif who have talked about his hyper extension.

These experts know more about Hyper extension than any random fan.
 
IMMY69 said:
You are repeating yourself...
He is a chucker until proven otherwise
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Everyone is legal unless umpires report him and his tests prove he is chucking. That's the ICC rule.

Pakistanis can follow a different rule on PP. Doesn't affect anyone.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Everyone is legal unless umpires report him and his tests prove he is chucking. That's the ICC rule.

Pakistanis can follow a different rule on PP. Doesn't affect anyone.
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Then ignore me.
I am entitled to my opinion just like you're entitled to yours, and if you want to defend him as if he's some Devine super being then carry on. There's more to life then some cricketer who may or may not be chucking
 
The rule about legality of bowling action depends on straightening of arm and not bending... His arm doesn't straighten and continues to remain bent till end of action.. :rolleyes:
 
IMMY69 said:
Then ignore me.
I am entitled to my opinion just like you're entitled to yours, and if you want to defend him as if he's some Devine super being then carry on. There's more to life then some cricketer who may or may not be chucking
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You said his elbow bends and straightens at the point of delivery. Thats a lie and thats what i called out.

Rest you are free to believe that opinions on PP somehow supercede ICC rules.
 
kron said:
Lmao fodder like Chris woakes
Stop embarrassing yourself. Anderson lmao yea 32 averaging fodder away from home.

Hazlewood is not a patch on bumrah. Neither are rabada and cummins on his level but yes the latter 2 are great bowlers themselves.
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You are heavily underestimating someone like Chris Wokes. He has average of like 28 or something...as a 4th pacer! Cummins is not at Bumrah level? He has same bowling stats as Bumrah and much better batting stats.
 
kron said:
Akram doesn't belong in that tier. A tier lower.
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Let me guessyou’re probably one of Modi’s biggest fans, despise anything remotely related to Pakistan, see Pakistanis as subhumans, and believe Hindutva is the ultimate savior against so called invaders, and let me take a wild shot, you’re probably young.

India really needs to work on the narratives it’s trying to push. The older generation wasn’t this delusional, they at least knew what to say and when to say it.

Only inexperienced or poorly groomed Indians would come up with statements as ridiculous as these.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You said his elbow bends and straightens at the point of delivery. Thats a lie and thats what i called out.

Rest you are free to believe that opinions on PP somehow supercede ICC rules.
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Have you seen every single one of his deliveries? How many hours of footage have you or any of the experts mentioned actually seen?

Before calling me a liar best you ask whether I have seen it for myself... the bend and then the straightening...

Otherwise why on earth would have been asking for a test for several years? Arrh of course, because I'm a salty Pakistani fan
 
Fenrir said:
Akhtar was tested and cleared.Bumrah should be tested too.Akhtar’s arms are very long and flexible.Bumrah gets his pace from his elbow which has hyper extension of 35 degrees.They at point of delivery his extension is within 15 degrees so it is legal but he may be bowling many illegal balls.It is best to test him.
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Akhtar tested in 2000s nah? Since then technology evolved, they got better knowledge of Hyperextension hence not reporting Bumrah.. and there's no limit for hyperextension..
 
IMMY69 said:
Have you seen every single one of his deliveries? How many hours of footage have you or any of the experts mentioned actually seen?

Before calling me a liar best you ask whether I have seen it for myself... the bend and then the straightening...

Otherwise why on earth would have been asking for a test for several years? Arrh of course, because I'm a salty Pakistani fan
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It is neither his job nor yours to watch every single delivery of every bowler. That responsibility lies with the umpires, and that is why they are paid for it. No umpire has ever reported Bumrah for having a suspicious action, which is why he has not been tested. Subsequently, after all the complaints by Pakistani fans on social media, experts like Ian Pont took the effort to explain the science behind it in detail. Still, if you refuse to listen and insist that he should be banned, it’s hard to perceive it as anything other than being salty.
 
cricketjoshila said:
They haven't even read the full article else they won't be posting it.

From the article:

At the time, renowned bowling coach and former England player Ian Pont explained why Bumrah's action is legal.

You can see his arm straight from the wrist to elbow. The rule is when it is above the vertical that the elbow must not bend past 15 degrees,' Pont said.

'You can clearly see the forward flexion in his arm, which is a hyperextension. This is allowed (a forward bend) for people with hyper-mobile joints.

'A hyperextension is a movement in a similar direction to the direction of movement - not downward or to the side. This is why Bumrah's action is classified as legal since it is within the guidelines of hypermobility.'

Nottingham Trent University senior lecturer in biomechanics Paul Felton has worked with numerous cricket coaches and further explained how the hypermobility is an advantage for Bumrah, but a legal one.

'His hypermobility also provides further advantages (in) that he is able to maintain alignment throughout his bowling action which reduces variability in his control of line and length,' he said.

'So, his hypermobility makes him unique. That he's able to maximise speed by accessing more optimal movement patterns which increases control and provide lower injury risk.'

Experts have spoken. But pakistanis are still in denial.
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Ofcourse they won't care to read. They just hear the word Bumrah and think everyone is deluded like them and calling him a chucker.

The other night one guy was openly lying about Fox Sports and Isa Guha indirectly calling him a chucker. I was watching it live at the same time and never she or Karry O'keffe once said anything about his bowling action. They were comparing the delivery stride between him and Akashdeep. Fox was using the same x-ray camera comparison for Boland and Cummins as well.

Hypocrisy ki bhi seema hoti hai.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why will he be tested in England?

When Hasnain was reported he was tested in Lahore.

If Any Indian bowler is reported he will be tested in Chennai.

Only if the home board doesn't have a testing facility will the player sent elsewhere.
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He seems to believe that cricket is still run by the MCC and that Bumrah will be tested in London. ICC will deny testing of Bumrah in third world Chennai facilities. The "impartial" white Englishmen will supposedly listen to our brothers from Pakistan and ban Jasprit Bumrah from bowling. He will then come back with remodelled action as a trundler who is thrashed all around the park. People will celebrate here by non stop bhangra, saying, "I told you so." Dream scenario.

Then suddenly dream is over, he wakes up only to read the news that Bumrah has won his third consecutive Test series in Australia. Meanwhile, the ECB has banned all its players from participating in the PSL.

:mv :boycott
 
BDfanforever said:
You are heavily underestimating someone like Chris Wokes. He has average of like 28 or something...as a 4th pacer! Cummins is not at Bumrah level? He has same bowling stats as Bumrah and much better batting stats.
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No he isn't on bumrah level bowling wise. He averages pretty bad in India and lanka etc.
 
HalBass9 said:
Let me guessyou’re probably one of Modi’s biggest fans, despise anything remotely related to Pakistan, see Pakistanis as subhumans, and believe Hindutva is the ultimate savior against so called invaders, and let me take a wild shot, you’re probably young.

India really needs to work on the narratives it’s trying to push. The older generation wasn’t this delusional, they at least knew what to say and when to say it.

Only inexperienced or poorly groomed Indians would come up with statements as ridiculous as these.
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No you misunderstand me.

Ambrose Marshall steyn and mcgrath are better bowlers than akram. Akram is in top 10 all time obviously.
 
IMMY69 said:
Have you seen every single one of his deliveries? How many hours of footage have you or any of the experts mentioned actually seen?

Before calling me a liar best you ask whether I have seen it for myself... the bend and then the straightening...

Otherwise why on earth would have been asking for a test for several years? Arrh of course, because I'm a salty Pakistani fan
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They are experts. They have earned that title and their reputation on the basis of what they do. They know what they are saying.



Do you know what the ICC law is on elbow joints movement to call something as chucking?

Do you even know the difference between Flexion Extension and Hyper extension of the elbow joint?

If a person is in a anatomical position, please define their flexion extension and hyper extension at the elbow joint.
 
cricketjoshila said:
They are experts. They have earned that title and their reputation on the basis of what they do. They know what they are saying.



Do you know what the ICC law is on elbow joints movement to call something as chucking?

Do you even know the difference between Flexion Extension and Hyper extension of the elbow joint?

If a person is in an anatomical position, please define their flexion extension and hyper extension at the elbow joint.
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Listen repeating the same thing again and again won't alter the fact that he has an unusual action and looks like he is chucking and that it can't be called as hyperextension until he is tested properly.... it is chucking until and unless it is tested.

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That's my line drawn...
This means don't bother replying to me on this topic because no rule book or tv expert is going to change my mind.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Ambrose isn't. He hardly has any performance in the subcontinent.
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Ambrose after his elbow issues in 95 was not a good asset in sub continent. He had toured only pak in 98.Before that he was definitely economical and precise in 90 tour. Took 14 wickets at 17 avg and 45 sr .(his career sr was 54).He was again economical in sl tour in 93 .he played only one match and took 3 wickets.
 
IMMY69 said:
Listen repeating the same thing again and again won't alter the fact that he has an unusual action and looks like he is chucking and that it can't be called as hyperextension until he is tested properly.... it is chucking until and unless it is tested.

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That's my line drawn...
This means don't bother replying to me on this topic because no rule book or tv expert is going to change my mind.
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You are not alone. I also feel he should be tested because of the chucking possibility (his action gives off chucking vibe sometimes).

If Murali and Shoaib Akthar could be tested, why not Bumrah?

Until he gets tested, his records should have an asterisk.
 
HalBass9 said:
No they are not except Marshall.
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What? How so lol?
All stats suggests they are. I don't just go by stats either. The type of wickets, conditions they played in and also away performances plus being able to be effective on dead tracks etc.
 
This whole situation is funny.

When Shoaib Akhtar used to bowl with hyperextension in elbows, a ton of Indians would come out and call it illegal.

Now they’re using the exact same “hyperextension” argument to justify how it’s perfectly legal in Bumrah’s case, even if it’s an advantage.

Well technically it is legal and allowed and what a destructive bowler the world got to see in the form of Shoaib Akhtar.

Now no Indian these days brings up the hyperextension point whenever discussing Akhtar because they know it’ll be like throwing eggs on their own faces lol.


Anyway Bumrah is a top bowler, maybe one day he could reach the level of Shoaib Akhtar too but age is not on his side.
 
kron said:
What? How so lol?
All stats suggests they are. I don't just go by stats either. The type of wickets, conditions they played in and also away performances plus being able to be effective on dead tracks etc.
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I’m sure the stats might suggest Bumrah is better than Marshall, but only Indians would believe such a claim.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Ambrose after his elbow issues in 95 was not a good asset in sub continent. He had toured only pak in 98.Before that he was definitely economical and precise in 90 tour. Took 14 wickets at 17 avg and 45 sr .(his career sr was 54).He was again economical in sl tour in 93 .he played only one match and took 3 wickets.
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He had one good tour of Pakistan in 1990. That's it.

To put him on par with Marshall or McGrath who had multiple such tours will be wrong.
 
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