Does Lahore have the best bowling unit of any franchise in T20 cricket in the world?

[Thunderbolt14]

Shaheen Afridi
Haris Rauf
Dilbar Hussain
Rashid Khan
Samit Patel / Mohammad Hafeez / David Wiese / Maaz Khan

The only attacks I think that are better than Lahore are Mumbai and Delhi:

Kagiso Rabada
Anrich Nortje
Ravi Ashwin
Daniel Sams
Axar Patel / Marcus Stoinis / Praveen Dubey

Trent Boult
Jasprit Bumrah
Nathan Coulter Nile
Krunal Pandya
Hardik Pandya / Kieron Pollard / Rahul Chahar

Any other T20 bowling attacks around the world that are comparable to these three?

 

[Major]

lol dilber and davidv wiese

 

[Mamoon]

With two street cricketers? Don’t think so.

 

[Rana]

Excellent bowling attack

 

[Thunderbolt14]

With two street cricketers? Don’t think so.

One of those street cricketers bowls 150 kph + with the ability to swing the ball both ways. He is also the highest wicket taking bowler in T20 cricket this year.

Show some respect.

 

[Rana]

No excuses for LQ this year.

 

[Mamoon]

One of those street cricketers bowls 150 kph + with the ability to swing the ball both ways. He is also the highest wicket taking bowler in T20 cricket this year.

show some respect.

It doesn’t matter if he bowls at 150 kph or 250 kph.

He is a rock thrower with no bowling brain. He has no match awareness, no situational awareness and no field awareness.

If he plays in the IPL he will get smashed worse than he did against NZ kids and domestic reserves while playing for Shaheens.

Looking at aggregate tally of wickets in T20 cricket in a calendar year means nothing if there is no breakdown of opposition. The quality of cricket in T20 varies a lot.

Some dodgy league in Norway is also T20 cricket, but it doesn’t mean it can be grouped together with T20Is against proper teams or IPL matches.

Apart from a few T20Is against England and New Zealand where Rauf didn’t exactly set the world on fire, he has faced a lot of low quality batting units.

He would not even make the 4th or 5th World XI in T20 cricket so there is no point in flaunting his misleading wicket tally.

The Rauf drama will end after the WT20 where he will get exposed for who he is - a tape ball bowler who doesn’t have what it takes to be successful against the top teams in the world.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

It doesn’t matter if he bowls at 150 kph or 250 kph.

He is a rock thrower with no bowling brain. He has no match awareness, no situational awareness and no field awareness.

If he plays in the IPL he will get smashed worse than he did against NZ kids and domestic reserves while playing for Shaheens.

Looking at aggregate tally of wickets in T20 cricket in a calendar year means nothing if there is no breakdown of opposition. The quality of cricket in T20 varies a lot.

Some dodgy league in Norway is also T20 cricket, but it doesn’t mean it can be grouped together with T20Is against proper teams or IPL matches.

Apart from a few T20Is against England and New Zealand where Rauf didn’t exactly set the world on fire, he has faced a lot of low quality batting units.

He would not even make the 4th or 5th World XI in T20 cricket so there is no point in flaunting his misleading wicket tally.

The Rauf drama will end after the WT20 where he will get exposed for who he is - a tape ball bowler who doesn’t have what it takes to be successful against the top teams in the world.

You’re on your agenda again. No one’s talking about T20I cricket nor is anyone talking about the WT20.

This is firmly about franchise bowling. Rauf dominated the BBL and PSL and is rightly one of the best franchise bowlers in the world right now. Like I said, Mumbai and Delhi are the attacks I think are slightly better than Lahore’s.

Can you name another franchise bowling attack that is better?

 

[Hyperion66]

Is this some kind of a joke? Although I must admit I hardly watch franchise cricket but bar Rashid I don't see any special bowler in the lineup to be called one of the best attacks. Who is Dilbar? Samit Patel? Like seriously!!

 

[Hyperion66]

The Rauf drama will end after the WT20 where he will get exposed for who he is - a tape ball bowler who doesn’t have what it takes to be successful against the top teams in the world.

True, even after so many heartbreaks with Hasan, Shinwari, Raees and others Pak fans still haven't learnt their lesson.

 

[Mamoon]

You’re on your agenda again. No one’s talking about T20I cricket nor is anyone talking about the WT20.

This is firmly about franchise bowling. Rauf dominated the BBL and PSL and is rightly one of the best franchise bowlers in the world right now. Like I said, Mumbai and Delhi are the attacks I think are slightly better than Lahore’s.

Can you name another franchise bowling attack that is better?

You cannot be one of the best in the world in league cricket unless you prove yourself in IPL, which is the gold standard of league cricket.

Qalandars have only two quality bowlers. Rashid because he has proved himself in IPL and Shaheen because he has proved himself in international cricket.

 

[Rana]

You cannot be one of the best in the world in league cricket unless you prove yourself in IPL, which is the gold standard of league cricket.

Qalandars have only two quality bowlers. Rashid because he has proved himself in IPL and Shaheen because he has proved himself in international cricket.

Pakistanis can’t prove themselves in the IPL. Or is this the racist speaking in you?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Is this some kind of a joke? Although I must admit I hardly watch franchise cricket but bar Rashid I don't see any special bowler in the lineup to be called one of the best attacks. Who is Dilbar? Samit Patel? Like seriously!!

Shaheen is also good. Won't comment on others

 

[Hyperion66]

Shaheen is also good. Won't comment on others

Yes he is decent, that's all.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistanis can’t prove themselves in the IPL. Or is this the racist speaking in you?

Pakistan is not a race. You need to look up the definition of racism.

And if Pakistanis cannot prove themselves in IPL then they need to blame PCB and their arrogance that backfired.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Pakistan is not a race. You need to look up the definition of racism.

And if Pakistanis cannot prove themselves in IPL then they need to blame PCB and their arrogance that backfired.

But they do get opportunities to prove themselves in international matches and 'A' team matches. Should be judged on performance in these games.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan is not a race. You need to look up the definition of racism.

And if Pakistanis cannot prove themselves in IPL then they need to blame PCB and their arrogance that backfired.

So you yourself admit your argument for Rauf and Dilbar not being able to prove themselves is flawed because of PCB arrogance and not because of their actual ability. Thanks


Well done OP. Very good thread and it’s clearly hurting someone who can not accept the thought of Pakistani or Pakistanis doing well.

When did OP say this thread is about international cricket anyways???????

 

[Mamoon]

But they do get opportunities to prove themselves in international matches and 'A' team matches. Should be judged on performance in these games.

I agree, but then you have legends like Rauf who get smashed by NZ reserves and kids while representing the A team.

 

[Mamoon]

So you yourself admit your argument for Rauf and Dilbar not being able to prove themselves is flawed because of PCB arrogance and not because of their actual ability. Thanks


Well done OP. Very good thread and it’s clearly hurting someone who can not accept the thought of Pakistani or Pakistanis doing well.

When did OP say this thread is about international cricket anyways???????

No, Rauf and Dilbar are awful bowlers who are not good enough to excel against top lineups. The treatment that Rauf got against NZ reserves and kids while playing for the Shaheens is nothing compared to the treatment he would get in the IPL.

Some Pakistani players like Babar, Shaheen etc. do deserve to play in IPL, but Rauf and Dilbar don’t.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Is this some kind of a joke? Although I must admit I hardly watch franchise cricket but bar Rashid I don't see any special bowler in the lineup to be called one of the best attacks. Who is Dilbar? Samit Patel? Like seriously!!

Shaheen, Rauf, Rashid are three of the best franchise bowlers in the world right now, Rauf was the best bowler in the BBL for example.

I’m speaking purely from a franchise cricket perspective - since when do most franchise teams have more than 1-2 “special” bowlers in their lineup? There are usually a lot of emerging picks, domestic trundlers, mediocre spinners etc.

From that perspective, if you give it a fair and objective analysis then you’ll see where I’m coming from. Wisemouths like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] can run their mouths but I just wanted a simple answer in my OP to a simple question which is which other franchise bowling attacks in the world do you highly rate right now?

Since you don’t watch much franchise cricket, that’s fine... but seriously, other than Delhi and Mumbai, what bowling attacks in the world are better than Lahore’s?

 

[Rana]

Oh yeah, when you have no argument to explain Rauf’s success as a T20 bowler, let’s highlight his performances for the ‘A teams’ and not his international performances lol

No wonder Anti Pakistanis are a vibe when it comes to yapping

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I agree, but then you have legends like Rauf who get smashed by NZ reserves and kids while representing the A team.

Ok bud. You run your agenda. Still waiting on you to stop derailing this thread and answer the simple question. Which franchise bowling attacks are better? Waiting on your essay on how the following attack is better:

Archer
Aaron
Tyagi
Stokes
Gopal
Tewatia

Go on. Try me. Let’s see how much you can pull out of...

 

[Mamoon]

Ok bud. You run your agenda. Still waiting on you to stop derailing this thread and answer the simple question. Which franchise bowling attacks are better? Waiting on your essay on how the following attack is better:

Archer
Aaron
Tyagi
Stokes
Gopal
Tewatia

Go on. Try me. Let’s see how much you can pull out of...

Archer is a billion times better than Rauf and Dilbar. He is also comfortably better than Shaheen. He alone negates the entire Qalandars bowling attack except Rashid Khan.

Stokes is also a better bowler than Rauf and Dilbar and that Weise guy.

The local Indian bowlers that you quoted are also better than Rauf and Dilbar. They are frequently smashed by IPL batting units but the two street legends from Pakistan will fare worse against IPL batting units.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Archer is a billion times better than Rauf and Dilbar. He is also comfortably better than Shaheen. He alone negates the entire Qalandars bowling attack except Rashid Khan.

Stokes is also a better bowler than Rauf and Dilbar and that Weise guy.

The local Indian bowlers that you quoted are also better than Rauf and Dilbar. They are frequently smashed by IPL batting units but the two street legends from Pakistan will fare worse against IPL batting units.

In other words, Aaron or Stokes could be the highest wicket taker in the BBL right now. That’s what you’re saying? LOL! Cue a response about the BBL’s lack of quality, a rather new argument I’ve only seen pop up approximately January 2020 onwards for a very peculiar reason..............

 

[Mamoon]

In other words, Aaron or Stokes could be the highest wicket taker in the BBL right now. That’s what you’re saying? LOL! Cue a response about the BBL’s lack of quality, a rather new argument I’ve only seen pop up approximately January 2020 onwards for a very peculiar reason..............

What new argument do you want? Rauf is some sensational talent who will be a superstar in white ball cricket for Pakistan for years to come?

I know that is what you wish and that is what you are fantasizing, but unfortunately, it is not going to happen.

Our fans are left with fantasies only. First they fantasized about the rubbish and zero talent and zero skill Naseem, and now they are fantasizing about Rauf. This will also end in tears.

BBL is a pathetic league. It is no better than PSL. It is just a side little venture for CA to make money. Apart from introducing useless gimmicks, BBL offers nothing.

Even the top Australian cricketers don’t take it seriously. They are either skipping it or using it to get some form and rhythm for international cricket and IPL.

IPL is the only league where performances matter, and that is because the vast majority of the best active players in the world are playing in it.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Here, made some edits for you. Consider it a gift from an alternate universe.

Rashid is a billion times better than Gopal and Stokes. He is also comfortably better than Archer. He alone negates the entire Royals bowling attack.

Shaheen is also a better bowler than Aaron and Tyagi and that Tewatia guy.

The local Pakistani bowlers that you quoted are also better than Tewatia and Gopal. They frequently perform against PSL and BBL batting units and the two street legends from India will fare worse against those same batting units.

Yours truly,
Momaan

 

[Thunderbolt14]

still waiting on the naming of a couple proper franchise attacks.

Lahore has one of the best franchise bowling units in the world!

 

[Mamoon]

Qalandars is one of the best bowling units in the world in the same universe where Naseem Shah was going to blow England and New Zealand away.

 

[Mobashir]

Ok bud. You run your agenda. Still waiting on you to stop derailing this thread and answer the simple question. Which franchise bowling attacks are better? Waiting on your essay on how the following attack is better:

Archer
Aaron
Tyagi
Stokes
Gopal
Tewatia

Go on. Try me. Let’s see how much you can pull out of...

If I have to rank every bowler of both attacks in T20's, this will be my ranking as of today:
1. Rashid Khan
2. Archer
3. Shaheen Shah Afridi
4. Haris Rauf
5. Dilbar Hussain
6. Ben Stokes
7. Tyagi
8. Aaron

So far the top 3 can be classified as very good bowlers. The other 4 aren't in the same league, at least for the moment.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

If I have to rank every bowler of both attacks in T20's, this will be my ranking as of today:
1. Rashid Khan
2. Archer
3. Shaheen Shah Afridi
4. Haris Rauf
5. Dilbar Hussain
6. Ben Stokes
7. Tyagi
8. Aaron

So far the top 3 can be classified as very good bowlers. The other 4 aren't in the same league, at least for the moment.

Completely agree, though I’d put Shaheen on par with Archer. So Lahore ends up winning this one since that’s 4 of the top 5 on your list. What other bowling attacks across franchise leagues come to your mind?

 

[Mobashir]

I haven't watched or checked IPL scorecards for years so don't know their attacks.
I will be surprised that any other league can produce that quality.

I still will say that Haris Rauf and Dilbar Hussain have to confirm their good start in franchise cricket over 1/2 more years. The Aaron guy you have mentioned is Varun Aaron?

As for Archer vs Shaheen, Archer wins due to his Experience so Far for me.

So unfortunate that aussies fast bowlers don't play BBL, they could have 1 or 2 formidable franchise attacks.

 

[Rajdeep]

I thought Rashid Khan and Afghan players dont play in PSL. Is he a part of the squad this season?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I haven't watched or checked IPL scorecards for years so don't know their attacks.
I will be surprised that any other league can produce that quality.

I still will say that Haris Rauf and Dilbar Hussain have to confirm their good start in franchise cricket over 1/2 more years. The Aaron guy you have mentioned is Varun Aaron?

As for Archer vs Shaheen, Archer wins due to his Experience so Far for me.

So unfortunate that aussies fast bowlers don't play BBL, they could have 1 or 2 formidable franchise attacks.

Yep! Varun Aaron.

Like I said, I follow most franchise cricket and there’s only a couple bowling attacks that are similar level. I think Mumbai and Delhi. That’s it. I haven’t seen any really top tier bowling lineups in BBL.

Overall, in the world, I’ll rate the following right now:

1. Delhi
2. Lahore
=2. Mumbai

And then there’s a considerable gap.

 

[Mobashir]

Yep! Varun Aaron.

Like I said, I follow most franchise cricket and there’s only a couple bowling attacks that are similar level. I think Mumbai and Delhi. That’s it. I haven’t seen any really top tier bowling lineups in BBL.

Overall, in the world, I’ll rate the following right now:

1. Delhi
2. Lahore
=2. Mumbai

And then there’s a considerable gap.

Bumrah/Boult will win you more matches than the Lahore attack I feel. And even tough T20 isn't Pattinson's favorite format, he is a top asset.

 

[Rana]

The best T20 bowling attack is probably MI

Bumrah
Boult
Pattinson
Chahar
Pandya
Pollard

Chahar is an underrated spinner IMO, but Pattinson+Pollard+Pandya are just decent. Nothing extraordinary

Another good bowling attack is Delhi Capitals:

Rabada
Nortje
Thakur
Ashwin
Axar


I think these two edge LQ tbf [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION]. And I can say this fairly because I watched EVERY ball of the IPL last season and NEARLY every ball of the PSL last season.

However, I don’t feel like giving a fair or neutral view because of the people who write off a bowler like Dilbar without having seen him bowl or what he can contribute. 95% of anti Pakistanis believe the guy is a trundlers and actually have no clue about his bowling capability. To them, I say openly That Dilbar is better than Cummins as a T20 bowler!!!!!!

 

[Rajdeep]

Sunrisers Hyderabad got bowling attack too:

B.Kumar
T.Natarajan
Billi Stanlake
Rashid Khan
Shakib Al Hassan
M. Nabi
Khaleel Ahmded

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Bumrah/Boult will win you more matches than the Lahore attack I feel. And even tough T20 isn't Pattinson's favorite format, he is a top asset.

The best T20 bowling attack is probably MI

Bumrah
Boult
Pattinson
Chahar
Pandya
Pollard

Chahar is an underrated spinner IMO, but Pattinson+Pollard+Pandya are just decent. Nothing extraordinary

Another good bowling attack is Delhi Capitals:

Rabada
Nortje
Thakur
Ashwin
Axar


I think these two edge LQ tbf [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION]. And I can say this fairly because I watched EVERY ball of the IPL last season and NEARLY every ball of the PSL last season.

However, I don’t feel like giving a fair or neutral view because of the people who write off a bowler like Dilbar without having seen him bowl or what he can contribute. 95% of anti Pakistanis believe the guy is a trundlers and actually have no clue about his bowling capability. To them, I say openly That Dilbar is better than Cummins as a T20 bowler!!!!!!

Fair enough. I’m just thinking in terms of overall combination, the kind of control Rashid provides in the middle overs is unparalleled by any of the bowlers in those other two teams.

So even though Boult+Bumrah are a much better new ball pairing than Shaheen+Rauf, I think the control provided by Rashid and Dilbar in the middle overs supersedes the control provided by Pattinson, Chahar, and Krunal in Mumbai’s middle overs.

But fair enough. Any other bowling attacks that come to mind?

RCB for example:
Yadav
Steyn
Dube
Chahal
Saini
Sundar

I don’t think it has any comparison.

Melbourne Stars:
Maxwell
Rauf
Stanlake
Zampa
Stoinis
Cartwright
Rainbird
Maddinson

Sydney Sixers, currently top of the table at the BBL:
Holder
Brathwaite
Dwarshuis
Christian
O’Keefe
Sandhu
Jackson Bird

I genuinely can’t find an attack even comparable to Lahore, Mumbai, or Delhi.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Sunrisers Hyderabad got bowling attack too:

B.Kumar
T.Natarajan
Billi Stanlake
Rashid Khan
Shakib Al Hassan
M. Nabi
Khaleel Ahmded

That’s very good. Very strong spin contingent and I was highly impressed by Natarajan in IPL as well as in Australia. New ball and death feels a tad weak but definitely a good contender.

 

[Rana]

Fair enough. I’m just thinking in terms of overall combination, the kind of control Rashid provides in the middle overs is unparalleled by any of the bowlers in those other two teams.

So even though Boult+Bumrah are a much better new ball pairing than Shaheen+Rauf, I think the control provided by Rashid and Dilbar in the middle overs supersedes the control provided by Pattinson, Chahar, and Krunal in Mumbai’s middle overs.

But fair enough. Any other bowling attacks that come to mind?

RCB for example:
Yadav
Steyn
Dube
Chahal
Saini
Sundar

I don’t think it has any comparison.

Melbourne Stars:
Maxwell
Rauf
Stanlake
Zampa
Stoinis
Cartwright
Rainbird
Maddinson

Sydney Sixers, currently top of the table at the BBL:
Holder
Brathwaite
Dwarshuis
Christian
O’Keefe
Sandhu
Jackson Bird

I genuinely can’t find an attack even comparable to Lahore, Mumbai, or Delhi.

No other bowling attack in the IPL besides the MI and DC one is better than LQ’s attack IMO. The only reason why these two sides are better is because they have 2 ace fast bowlers each and they operate at 140-150, although Boult is probably a bit on the slower side.

LQ have 3x 140-150kmh bowlers and now the best leg spinner in T20 cricket.
-They have the best fast bowler in Pakistan (Shaheen Afridi)
-They have the most successful T20 fast bowler in the word (Harris Rauf), although stats are not the final verdict.
-They have the most underrated T20 fast bowler in Pakistan in Dilbar Hussain, however he has serious No ball issues.

I think Samit Patel has been a very handy, useful left arm spinner and I think people do no take him seriously just because of his overweight structure.

Pace isn’t everything I guess, Dilbar and Rashid are the key bowlers for LQ.

 

[Rana]

Sunrisers Hyderabad got bowling attack too:

B.Kumar
T.Natarajan
Billi Stanlake
Rashid Khan
Shakib Al Hassan
M. Nabi
Khaleel Ahmded

Sunrisers only got their act together in the latter games. Natarajan is as underrated as a fast bowler just like Dilbar IMO. Bhuvaneshwar is unfit, he didn’t play so you cannot use him as an example to contend to LQ bowlers who played throughout last year. Stanlake didn’t feature in the IPL this year either. You have to consider what combination SRH will play with their overseas choices.

Kane
Holder
Warner
Rashid

These 4 must play, so now they have no choice but to pick 1 or 2 local fast bowlers. Natarjan is decent. Khalil Ahmed and Sandeep Sharma don’t really add the extra edge in terms of pace that Shaheen, Rauf and Dilbar do.

 

[Finisher]

I'm still not convinced by Haris and Dilbar

Dilbar is the more Talented and less hyped, bowls a good heavy bowl and leg cutter

Haris has the tendency to stray down legside with his Yorkers

Overall both are expensive

Shaheen blows a bit hot and cold, could take a 5fr and go missing for the next 5 games

Rashid Khan is the only World Class bowler, Shaheen has the potential but is still too inexperienced, even for Lahore qalanders he doesnt have a more experienced fast bowler to turn to when it gets tough

 

[Devadwal]

Qalandars is one of the best bowling units in the world in the same universe where Naseem Shah was going to blow England and New Zealand away.

Haha good one .