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Does Ravichandran Ashwin chuck?

^^^If you think I care even a little bit for the ODI game/team, you are even a better human being than Ashwin...what a country, what a country!
 
This thread is still going :))

@To all Pakistani boys :D - Guys Ashwin doesn't chuck, lets leave it at that !!
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I feel your pain, old man. I'd be angry too if my team lost their no.1 ODI bowler(Ajmal) and then no.1 ODI allrounder(hafeez) and slipped to no.9 in rankings. All thanks to Ashwin of course. Helping clean up the sport :) .What a magnanimous human being. Jai Shri Ram :)
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:)) Quite understandable since their best bowler has been branded a blatant chucker by the ICC. Won't blame them for trying their best to apply balm to their wounds.
 
No, Ashwin don't check. His action is very very clean, don't know why some believe that he chucks.
 
IcedEarth said:
So going for a test should not be an issue right?

Why are those Indians vehemently opposing him to be tested?
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Because Pakistani ppers won't be satisfied until he is banned. You all will be crying about how bcci rigged the test results just like you are crying now why he isn't reported.
 
And such people don't realize that by insinuating that umpires don't report Ashwin because of bcci influence, they are questioning the integrity of umpires all over the world including their very own Aleem Dar.
 
LastManstanding said:
And such people don't realize that by insinuating that umpires don't report Ashwin because of bcci influence, they are questioning the integrity of umpires all over the world including their very own Aleem Dar.
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Why are you arguing?

Let it be.

प्रकृति का नियम है कि जीत सिर्फ सत्य की होती है – सत्यमेव जयते।
 
It's pretty obvious that Ashwin chucks big time.

He chucks even more when playing against us, and an entire nation is a testimony to that.

Each of us sees him chucking in our dreams - that's the only place where we can satisfy our "desire" of seeing him chuck.

Your eyes see what you "want" to see.
 
IcedEarth said:
So going for a test should not be an issue right?

Why are those Indians vehemently opposing him to be tested?
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It's only in theoretical debating societies and teenagers arguments that you use a test of this kind just because you want to make a scoring point.

This isn't some random drug testing scenario for sportsmen.

In the real world a test of this nature is preceded by a process that lays the case based on evidence. In Ashwin's case there isn't any evidence enough to get ICC, or any reasonable and responsible body, to get started.

Otherwise everyone would be scoring equal debating points elsewhere- hey why not test Rahat Ali, Herath, Yadav, Lyon and Boult too . Why not? What, are they afraid of something?
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
It's only in theoretical debating societies and teenagers arguments that you use a test of this kind just because you want to make a scoring point.

This isn't some random drug testing scenario for sportsmen.

In the real world a test of this nature is preceded by a process that lays the case based on evidence. In Ashwin's case there isn't any evidence enough to get ICC, or any reasonable and responsible body, to get started.

Otherwise everyone would be scoring equal debating points elsewhere- hey why not test Rahat Ali, Herath, Yadav, Lyon and Boult too . Why not? What, are they afraid of something?
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See the two pics I posted. That is good enough doubt to test.
 
Some pp'ers and their never ending conspiracy theories like the whole world is against them or something.
I guess it's a good way to keep their minds engaged.
 
battler said:
Some pp'ers and their never ending conspiracy theories like the whole world is against them or something.
I guess it's a good way to keep their minds engaged.
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Don't think may people think that way. For most the chucking laws are daft. They are testing for a cutoff using some method, where the cut off was set using a different set of methods. Plus, it is not peer reviewed and no one has done a "control test" of sizable number.

Taskin getting banned for 3 out of 30 odd deliveries is hilarious. I bet Steyn will ball more >15 deliveries if he had to send down nine bouncers at 145k.
 
IcedEarth said:
Don't think may people think that way. For most the chucking laws are daft. They are testing for a cutoff using some method, where the cut off was set using a different set of methods. Plus, it is not peer reviewed and no one has done a "control test" of sizable number.

Taskin getting banned for 3 out of 30 odd deliveries is hilarious. I bet Steyn will ball more >15 deliveries if he had to send down nine bouncers at 145k.
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Then the solution is to either test every bowler for chucking or simply trust the umpire's judgement when he calls out someone.
But this constant whinging about Ashwin is getting a bit tiresome tbh.
 
IcedEarth said:
Don't think may people think that way. For most the chucking laws are daft. They are testing for a cutoff using some method, where the cut off was set using a different set of methods. Plus, it is not peer reviewed and no one has done a "control test" of sizable number.

Taskin getting banned for 3 out of 30 odd deliveries is hilarious. I bet Steyn will ball more >15 deliveries if he had to send down nine bouncers at 145k.
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Blah Blah blah. Its unfair that Bangladeshi bowler was called for chucking. because he's bangla. Blah Blah. Now let's try and wrap this feeling into reasonable sounding pseudo-legalese and other BS.


And the rest of this thread - supplying the LOL-wa due to jealousy. Please continue and make this thread even longer. As Ash continues to take wickets as if he's bowling sudarshan chakras instead of the ball.

But he's Indian, so their bowlers have to suck, and if they don't they must be cheating.



Be cricket fans and appreciate the Amirs and Rahats and Shafiqs of the world, along with the Roots and Andersons. And the Ashwins and Rahuls.
 
IcedEarth said:
Don't think may people think that way. For most the chucking laws are daft. They are testing for a cutoff using some method, where the cut off was set using a different set of methods. Plus, it is not peer reviewed and no one has done a "control test" of sizable number.

Taskin getting banned for 3 out of 30 odd deliveries is hilarious. I bet Steyn will ball more >15 deliveries if he had to send down nine bouncers at 145k.
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Still have high doubt over these figures from Taskins testing. They were supplied by supposed lawyer of the BCB on Twitter. First of all what kind of lawyer publicises details on his case, let alone on Twitter. Secondly the 'lawyer' in question had severe gaps in his knowledge over basic regulations that are available to the public online.
 
IcedEarth said:
See the two pics I posted. That is good enough doubt to test.
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They may be good enough for you, but just because they are good enough for you does not mean they are proper evidence or basis to start a test. They's not.

Unless an umpire or a board makes a case, based on proper evidence that follows a chain of action, one cannot go around testing people's actions just because fans believe so.

Until then we can argue with each other till the cows come home, and after that too.

I'm out of this thread because I've said all I have to say on the subject. Peace.
 
Hawkeye said:
It's pretty obvious that Ashwin chucks big time.

He chucks even more when playing against us, and an entire nation is a testimony to that.

Each of us sees him chucking in our dreams - that's the only place where we can satisfy our "desire" of seeing him chuck.

Your eyes see what you "want" to see.
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But BCCI is ICC so he wont be called or tested.Deal with it. :)
 
battler said:
Then the solution is to either test every bowler for chucking or simply trust the umpire's judgement when he calls out someone.
But this constant whinging about Ashwin is getting a bit tiresome tbh.
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Nah, you can do random testing on bowlers, plus the ones that are reported. That will allow to see clear patterns and will have better set of data.
 
Hawkeye said:
ICC=BCCI indeed. :srini



He doesn't chuck, but the picture you quoted depicts it as 0 degree flex, which isn't possible. It's a misrepresentation-you'd have to watch a video.
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It's not even a side way angle. How did you get to the zero degree figure? :))
 
Hawkeye said:
ICC=BCCI indeed. :srini



He doesn't chuck, but the picture you quoted depicts it as 0 degree flex, which isn't possible. It's a misrepresentation-you'd have to watch a video.
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The exact issue is shown here. You are biased that he does not chuck. You can watch the video too, and it looks very jerky.

Whereas my respose is "I don't know because he is not tested. If there is slightest doubt, check and clear / confirm it"
 
IcedEarth said:
The exact issue is shown here. You are biased that he does not chuck. You can watch the video too, and it looks very jerky.

Whereas my respose is "I don't know because he is not tested. If there is slightest doubt, check and clear / confirm it"
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Can you post the video?
 
The thing I cannot understand is that around 90% of finger spinners in the world bowl with full sleeves (whether chucking or bowling legally). Whether it's Lyon, Narine, Moeen ali, Phangiso, Piedt, Swann (when he played), Ajmal, Bhajji, Ojha, Axar, Shakib (generally), etc., they all bowl with full sleeves. It's almost as if full sleeves are a trademark of finger spinners. Herath and Ashwin are the only leading finger spinners in the world who bowl with half sleeves as far as I know (Vettori bowled in the past).

I would imagine Ashwin is a shrewd enough guy to wear full sleeves if he wants to chuck, or he himself has doubts over his action. And out of all these people who bowl with full sleeves, nobody in PP doubts their actions be it Lyon or Moeen, etc., but the scanner has been on Ashwin alone.:narine
 
street cricketer said:
The thing I cannot understand is that around 90% of finger spinners in the world bowl with full sleeves (whether chucking or bowling legally). Whether it's Lyon, Narine, Moeen ali, Phangiso, Piedt, Swann (when he played), Ajmal, Bhajji, Ojha, Axar, Shakib (generally), etc., they all bowl with full sleeves. It's almost as if full sleeves are a trademark of finger spinners. Herath and Ashwin are the only leading finger spinners in the world who bowl with half sleeves as far as I know (Vettori bowled in the past).

I would imagine Ashwin is a shrewd enough guy to wear full sleeves if he wants to chuck, or he himself has doubts over his action. And out of all these people who bowl with full sleeves, nobody in PP doubts their actions be it Lyon or Moeen, etc., but the scanner has been on Ashwin alone.:narine
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The only reason Ashwin is questioned is because 2 years ago he bowled with Narine's action and got ICC crackdown on chucking more seriously. :) It will not end until Ashwin is banned. Just testing and cleared will not help LOL.
 
Of course, Ashwin extends his elbows.

So does many bowlers. I have seen Praveen Kumar, Wahab, Jaddu, Flintoff and so many others extend elbows in their career.

But no they were not chuckers.

Whether the extension is obviously dangerous or not is what matters.

Plus chuckers leave clues.

What do you guys think of Chaminda Vaas?

Clean bowler?

Coincidence but a few days back, I picked up a random bowler like Vaas to see what's what.

According to the logic presented here, I can post pics where he would be called "chucking".

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This is far worse than Ashwin's images.

This is with sleeves. Without sleeves, he would look a LOT worse.

Just for the record, Vaas is NOT a chucker. He was totally fine. Clean bowlers don't give you the chucker vibe when bowling lots of deliveries.

I think I can find a way to prove majority of bowlers as chuckers if I dig in enough.

By the way, I have found my formula to test degree angle using 2D images. Its NOT scientific but it works somewhat. I tested it for Hafeez's worst delivery and got it around (35....actual tests showed his worst was 31)....the same test I applied to Ashwin's worst "chucking" delivering and got around 9-11 degrees. Mind you, Hafeez's majority deliveries were much below his worst delivery and same way Ashwin's majority deliveries were cleaner compared to his worst delivery.

Maybe sometime later I will teach you fellas my formula.

"SIF Chucking Formula"
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Of course, Ashwin extends his elbows.

So does many bowlers. I have seen Praveen Kumar, Wahab, Jaddu, Flintoff and so many others extend elbows in their career.

But no they were not chuckers.

Whether the extension is obviously dangerous or not is what matters.

Plus chuckers leave clues.

What do you guys think of Chaminda Vaas?

Clean bowler?

Coincidence but a few days back, I picked up a random bowler like Vaas to see what's what.

According to the logic presented here, I can post pics where he would be called "chucking".

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This is far worse than Ashwin's images.

This is with sleeves. Without sleeves, he would look a LOT worse.

Just for the record, Vaas is NOT a chucker. He was totally fine. Clean bowlers don't give you the chucker vibe when bowling lots of deliveries.

I think I can find a way to prove majority of bowlers as chuckers if I dig in enough.

By the way, I have found my formula to test degree angle using 2D images. Its NOT scientific but it works somewhat. I tested it for Hafeez's worst delivery and got it around (35....actual tests showed his worst was 31)....the same test I applied to Ashwin's worst "chucking" delivering and got around 9-11 degrees. Mind you, Hafeez's majority deliveries were much below his worst delivery and same way Ashwin's majority deliveries were cleaner compared to his worst delivery.

Maybe sometime later I will teach you fellas my formula.

"SIF Chucking Formula"
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Exactly! that's why I say current rules are trash.

And BTW, what is shown in Vaas called hyperextension (elbow bends backward), not elbow flexion. So your pictures proves that delivery is not a chuck. However, I am sure if Vaas was tested with todays protocols, few of his effort balls may recorded over 15 degrees.
 
street cricketer said:
The thing I cannot understand is that around 90% of finger spinners in the world bowl with full sleeves (whether chucking or bowling legally). Whether it's Lyon, Narine, Moeen ali, Phangiso, Piedt, Swann (when he played), Ajmal, Bhajji, Ojha, Axar, Shakib (generally), etc., they all bowl with full sleeves. It's almost as if full sleeves are a trademark of finger spinners. Herath and Ashwin are the only leading finger spinners in the world who bowl with half sleeves as far as I know (Vettori bowled in the past).

I would imagine Ashwin is a shrewd enough guy to wear full sleeves if he wants to chuck, or he himself has doubts over his action. And out of all these people who bowl with full sleeves, nobody in PP doubts their actions be it Lyon or Moeen, etc., but the scanner has been on Ashwin alone.:narine
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It's not the full sleeves. It's the action. When people pause their actions that's chucking starts to happen.
 
IcedEarth said:
It's not the full sleeves. It's the action. When people pause their actions that's chucking starts to happen.
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Ashwin hardly pauses nowadays and even that isn't conclusive of chucking.

Anyway I'm sure if he did that, he would want to wear full sleeves to hide that.
 
street cricketer said:
nobody in PP doubts their actions be it Lyon or Moeen, etc., but the scanner has been on Ashwin alone.:narine
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Especially after he upstaged Yasir to the no. 1 spot. That is when this thread really got active, as if all of a sudden everybody realized he was chucking though he was OK before that :))
 
No, he doesn't. It's time bitter Pakistanis stop moaning about Ashwin's action.
 
street cricketer said:
The thing I cannot understand is that around 90% of finger spinners in the world bowl with full sleeves (whether chucking or bowling legally). Whether it's Lyon, Narine, Moeen ali, Phangiso, Piedt, Swann (when he played), Ajmal, Bhajji, Ojha, Axar, Shakib (generally), etc., they all bowl with full sleeves. It's almost as if full sleeves are a trademark of finger spinners. Herath and Ashwin are the only leading finger spinners in the world who bowl with half sleeves as far as I know (Vettori bowled in the past).

I would imagine Ashwin is a shrewd enough guy to wear full sleeves if he wants to chuck, or he himself has doubts over his action. And out of all these people who bowl with full sleeves, nobody in PP doubts their actions be it Lyon or Moeen, etc., but the scanner has been on Ashwin alone.:narine
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Please dont talk sense.And avoid logic.
 
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Definitely a chucker; had he been playing for any other team other than India, he definitely would've been reported.
 
IcedEarth said:
Exactly! that's why I say current rules are trash.

And BTW, what is shown in Vaas called hyperextension (elbow bends backward), not elbow flexion. So your pictures proves that delivery is not a chuck. However, I am sure if Vaas was tested with todays protocols, few of his effort balls may recorded over 15 degrees.
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Both are there. You can only see so much in 2D.

But extension is clearly there.

Same way you can prove a lot of bowlers as chuckers.

I am not saying there is no chance for any bowler to go over 15 degrees ever (that can only be found via in-game sensors). Possible but chuckers always leave clues cos they chuck a lot of deliveries.

And no, I don't have issues with testing of bowlers.
 
Purest action i remember from recent times was of Romesh Pawar..

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big_gamer007 said:
Purest action i remember from recent times was of Romesh Pawar..

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Graeme Swann.

Simply incredible action.

Powar was super clean too.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Purest action i remember from recent times was of Romesh Pawar..

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The only memory I have of Powar is his fielding.
 
IcedEarth said:
Nah, you can do random testing on bowlers, plus the ones that are reported. That will allow to see clear patterns and will have better set of data.
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And who's going to decide who will be tested? You?
 
cricketjoshila said:
This action is the most legal one.Even the non bowling arm is striaght.
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2 things always stood out with that bowler..

1) Rubbed his nose before every delivery.

2) Both arms went up in the air as if a former trapeze artist was at work in a new profession.
 
So what if he chucks? Didn't Ajmal chuck and we were all okay with it? Now y'all are jealous because they've found an equally good chucker?
 
Guys he doesn't chuck just leave it alone. His action seems clean and India seem to ensure bowlers actions are cleans, also umpires would have noticed after all these years.

Let's just enjoy ashwin as a bowler, he has a chance of getting 400 plus test wickets of he stays fit and keeps his current form up. Will enjoy him and Yasir battling for the number one spinner of this era. May the best bowler win. :)
 
Lol :ajmal could only dream of bowling properly and with as much effectiveness as Ash. Ashwin the most despised cricketer across the border after :sachin himself. Expect stupendous performances from Ashwin in the future :murali
 
Instead of appreciating his good service in helping to ban the chucker Ajmal, now people are after him. No wonder our world is rife with corruption.
 
Story of some PPers

Before Ajmal ban:
If the umpire hasn't reported he isn't chucking
ICC has cleared him in 2009
You cannot judge if someone is chucking through 2D images
He had an accident due to which it looks like he chucks, its an optical illusion

During Ajmal ban:
Cricket needs the magical iDone!
Chucking should be allowed to restore balance between bat and ball
World is missing out on good off spinners
Don't let the art of off spin die

After Ajmal failed with remodeled action:
Ashwin chucks, see these 2D images
ICC is allowing Ashwin to chuck
Doesn't matter if umpires are not calling him, he should still be tested
This is a BCCI kanspiracy


And I thought Ashwin was saving the dying art of off spin :yk2
 
Statsman said:
How frequent should be the "random" testing?
Also, do you have any idea what is the cost involved in a single test?
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I tink far less than the amount the board president's use to feed their dogs.

How frequent is "random"? That can be done with discussion. But, one bowler per month, may be in three strata would be OK. The strata can be drawn with >100 wickets, 0 - 100 wickets and debutant / U19s.
 
IcedEarth said:
Ashwin isn't random, he's suspect, at least in some of the games he played.
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Those some games go back 2 years when chuckers like Ajmal were allowed.If he bowls with a suspect action now he can be reported and tested.But he wont be tested today because of suspicion 2 years back or because some people on PP want that.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Those some games go back 2 years when chuckers like Ajmal were allowed.If he bowls with a suspect action now he can be reported and tested.But he wont be tested today because of suspicion 2 years back or because some people on PP want that.
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Nah, I am not talking about those "Narine like" bowling actions. He may have improved recently, but need to see him at the end of the day after a long spell. The exact way Taskin Ahmed was reported.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Darkside !! why don't you post more often bro ?? :(


Loved your banter and gate keeping skills :D
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Hey bro, how are you? :D
I wish I could post more often, but I'm currently pursuing a full time MBA program so I got very little time with Assignments/projects and internals throughout the course. Though I will definitely try to post more often when I have some down time :)
 
Ashwin a chucker, he even told me he can't wear full sleeves because he can't afford them otherwise he would wear.

Poor Ajmal was the cleanest bowler on the planet. Conspiracy from all other boards so Pakistan lose their best bowler.
 
IcedEarth said:
Nah, I am not talking about those "Narine like" bowling actions. He may have improved recently, but need to see him at the end of the day after a long spell. The exact way Taskin Ahmed was reported.
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Recently?Except that Narine like action Ashwin has never had any suspect action.

And long spell doesnt mean people chuck.

As i said he will only be tested if umpires find him suspect.
 
So, to people who watched today's game, what did you think about his action.

I only grabbed a last few minutes of the day, just got shared these highlights : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgsPi8pX_HA

Some people are already questioning his action's legitimacy.

These are highlights but to naked eye on camera it seems he chucks : harbhajan
 
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WhenSultansBowled said:
So, to people who watched today's game, what did you think about his action.

I only grabbed a last few minutes of the day, just got shared these highlights : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgsPi8pX_HA

Some people are already questioning his action's legitimacy.

These are highlights but to naked eye on camera it seems he chucks : harbhajan
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Did harbhajan really say that? :murali
 
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