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The ECB are reportedly planning to try to limit the involvement of England players in the IPL as part of a renewed attempt to prioritise Test cricket following their loss to Australia in the Ashes.

Last summer, Chris Woakes, Jos Buttler, Sam Curran, Moeen Ali and Jonny Bairstow were all rested for England's two-Test series against New Zealand because of their involvement in the tournament.

The ECB are conducting a full review into England's Ashes defeat, with managing director Ashley Giles preparing a report which will include a number of recommendations to improve the Test team's fortunes.

According to the Times, one of these ideas is restricting players' involvement in the IPL to just the first few weeks.

The ECB are reportedly planning to try to limit the involvement of England players in the IPL as part of a renewed attempt to prioritise Test cricket following their loss to Australia in the Ashes.

Last summer, Chris Woakes, Jos Buttler, Sam Curran, Moeen Ali and Jonny Bairstow were all rested for England's two-Test series against New Zealand because of their involvement in the tournament.

The ECB are conducting a full review into England's Ashes defeat, with managing director Ashley Giles preparing a report which will include a number of recommendations to improve the Test team's fortunes.

According to the Times, one of these ideas is restricting players' involvement in the IPL to just the first few weeks.

The report states that those players who are signed in the auction will then be asked to cut short their time in the IPL so that they can play some first-class cricket before the New Zealand series begins.

The ECB is said to be wary of a potential backlash from players, with their lack of full availability likely to hurt their chances of earning a bumper payday.

Former England captain Michael Atherton has been heavily critical of the ECB for allowing players to miss international games to play in the IPL.

"The leading multi-format players are paid seven-figure sums, but, incredibly, the ECB washes its hands of them for two months of the year during the Indian Premier League," he wrote in the Times.

"The players should be told that, while the ECB will be accommodating of the request to play in IPL, a 12-month contract is exactly that, and the granting of a no-objection certificate to play in IPL and other franchised competitions is contingent on it being in the best interests of the England team.

"Players should not miss international duty to play in the IPL, nor be rested and rotated to allow them to play elsewhere."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/england-indian-premier-league-ecb-25914669

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100% agree, if a player has a central contract, then no need to play in a pyjama league.

Better late than never, boards beginning to realise the detrimental effect of tamasha leagues.

If a player wants to play for their country it’s one thing, if same player wants to play for cheer leaders, it’s quite another.
 
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Now South Africa and New Zealand to follow. New Zealand's wellbeing policy that they created is one of the worst policies ever, clearly made so Kiwi players go to IPL.
 
This is just to cool down the critics for now.

A cricket board that sold its soul to Stanford in 2008 and has been BCCI’s doorman for many years would never take steps to upset the Cash Gods.
 
Never going to happen as players will force to take early retirement from test cricket .
 
Only Bairstow, Buttler, and Stokes from the test side play the IPL. They are doing somewhat better than most of the other players. The problem runs deeper.
 
Only Bairstow, Buttler, and Stokes from the test side play the IPL. They are doing somewhat better than most of the other players. The problem runs deeper.

These leagues are a quick buck for this generation players. They do not develop their defence game and just want to smash the ball hard to get noticed by the franchises. Once they get noticed by a league and perform well in that, then they get more offers from other leagues as well. Now they have multiple short contracts with different franchises instead of a 1 year contract with their board in which they are going to earn less. This whole scenario motivates the players to focus on T20 game instead of Test game, which are opposite to each other. Only IPL is not to blame for this scenario, all the leagues are equally responsible and ICC should intervene to get rid of leagues or allow only 1 league for a year so this circus does not expand.
 
More importantly they should shut down that monstrosity- the Hundred. But knowing ECB they wont!
 
Expect some rona-dhona by the likes of Ben Stokes and Joffra Archer.

But they'll still lose the Australian Ashes 4-0/5-0 regardless.
 
Well, the IPL auction is in a month's time. We will be able to find out how much the ECB will limit the players. The IPL franchises are not going to pick someone for "just a few weeks".

What happens if England players are not picked? Will Stokes, Butler et al, just say nothing and play for Eng?
 
Typical of England to blame the IPL. Indians play in the IPL too and are the best test team in the world.
 
Typical of England to blame the IPL. Indians play in the IPL too and are the best test team in the world.

Also the most number of players in the IPL after Indians are Australians. How is it that they are able to win
home Ashes series 4-0 and draw in England 2-2?
 
They have to blame someone and make it a scapegoat so IPL is a convenient thing to blame. The problems of English Cricket are deeper than the IPL.
 
They have a point, but than cancelling the pakistani series and sending players to ipl also serves them right.

Butler, bairstow and stokes contributed nothing in the ashes. They were just walking wickets...
 
It is unfortunately too late too backtrack. Some players have already tasted the riches of franchise cricket and others will have seen their peers make massive money for a few weeks work. These players aren't going to react kindly once told that the money stream is being blocked.

English players are quite powerful and in the past have managed to bring down coaches and captains when they are unhappy. Its quite likely they could bring down Giles and will do so in a manner that the next guy wouldn't dare to block them from playing a lucrative league.

However, for me the main point is that England have ruined their own cricket by the way they have ruined county first class cricket at the expense of the T20 blast and the 100. The IPL is a convenient scape goat but much of the damage is self inflicted.

If push came to shove I genuinley believe that many players would happily not play the Ashes again but continue with the IPL/Any other big bucks league.
 
Guys, IPL is bigger than cricket. After Pakistan's exclusion I realized IPL has moved on and doesn't depend on any country other than India to rake in the riches. Even if all English players are banned, IPL will make it up with SA/NZ/Aus players.
 
Typical of England to blame the IPL. Indians play in the IPL too and are the best test team in the world.

Does the IPL interfere with the Indian domestic season as it does the County Championship?
 
IPL is not the issue as such , you can replace that with PSL , BPL CPL etc, the issue is i think players missing test matches for these leagues, and the county season, this is going to be limited now i believe. Expect some players to follow the limited overs only route and avoid tests altogether to keep earning their bucks.
 
They have a point, but than cancelling the pakistani series and sending players to ipl also serves them right.

Butler, bairstow and stokes contributed nothing in the ashes. They were just walking wickets...

On the contrary, they have played some of the best innings for Eng this Ashes. Bairstow century, 2-3 good innings from Stokes and very good resistance in one inning Butler (he has been a walking wicket on rest of the occasion).
 
When India did poorly in tests IPL was blamed. They still play IPL but India is a much better test side.

The real demon isn't English players playing IPL, but county pitches and the domestic calender they have that prioritizes white ball cricket, and I mean the joke of rotation policy that they have going which meant all format players were rested from tests.

But go ahead and blame IPL and let's see if that solves your problem lol.
 
There is a proverb in hindi - 'Naach na jaane aangan terha' meaning people who cant dance only like to blame the stage.

India won the series in Australia straight after playing the IPL in Dubai. Not once but 2 back to back series. So blaming IPL for England's Ashes debacle is hilarious. ECB is simply trying to find a scapegoat but the reality is they were never good in Australia to begin with. Even way before the inception of IPL, Nasser Hussain and Michael Vaughan's team used to regularly get bullied there. Mitchel Johnson tormented them in 2013...so much so that few of their players retired after that tour with depression. The fact that their best batsman Joe Root who by the way don't even play IPL doesn't have a single century in Australia tells you how much they struggle there. Their ATG bowler Jimmy Anderson who also never played IPL avgs 35 with a strike rate of 72 in Australia.

The fact is England has always been a mediocre team in Australia but suddenly they decided to blame the IPL to save their faces from some public scrutiny...haha :))

ECB can say or do whatever they want but blocking their players from earning millions can seriously backfire them. It wont affect IPL a bit as it is only growing bigger and better from this season with 10 proper teams and even more prize money. As far as IPL is concerned - 'Sab changa si'

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Prioritizing TC over T20 is any day a good idea.
But this move reeks of knee jerk reaction to the absymal Ashes performance and finding a convenient scrapegoat.
Am no fan of IPL But i can bet if the Eng players hadnt played IPL 2020 and the two installments of IPL2021 they would still be 0-3 down as is the case today.
They were that pathetic in he Ashes and have turned up for for about 1.5 days of the total 15 odd days played so far.
 
Does the IPL interfere with the Indian domestic season as it does the County Championship?

Valid point. But say it did'nt...would Eng be 3-0 up in the Ashes right now? And how does the hundred figure in a lot of the hooplah that is being said by the ECB right now?
 
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Love to see most Indians defend the damage they are causing to world cricket at all costs.
 
Am no fan of the IPL, but as per you Cricket was at its rocking best before March 2008?

100%

It’s the reason why I am a true fan of this game. The cricket I know since India/Pakistan boycott is not something I would fall in love with.
 
On the contrary, they have played some of the best innings for Eng this Ashes. Bairstow century, 2-3 good innings from Stokes and very good resistance in one inning Butler (he has been a walking wicket on rest of the occasion).

Stokes took a hiatus from IPL during his break, more so his finger injury was picked up at the IPL.

Bairstow is hardly Mr Consistent in Tests, and Butler we can all see is simply not test standard.
 
Valid point. But say it did'nt...would Eng be 3-0 up in the Ashes right now? And how does the hundred figure in a lot of the hooplah that is being said by the ECB right now?
They wouldn’t be 3-0 up. They might be at parity.

England have won in Australia in 1971, 1979, 1986 and 2010. The common factor was effective batting. At present the batting is insufficient. The IPL disruption is one factor among many hindering English cricket, some of which are self-inflicted.
 
Valid point. But say it did'nt...would Eng be 3-0 up in the Ashes right now? And how does the hundred figure in a lot of the hooplah that is being said by the ECB right now?

The 100 is scheduled around England's international series in the same way IPL is scheduled around India's international series.

Indian players are forbidden from playing in other franchise leagues. Why? BCCI want their players to be available for all their series.
 
Yes it was. :inti

Really? so each format was rocking , all was well with the cricket world, stadiums were full, revenues were maxed, itenaries were perfect?.
Am not saying IPL changed all that.
Ever cared to delve deeper into why the annual triangular odi series that was played in Aus from early 80's till then, had empty stadiums in matches where Aus did'nt play? and why was this triangular series shelved?-whats IPL got to do with this?
If as per you IPL is the sole source of all that s evil in the world of cricket - why does'nt a certain team who does not play in the IPL, ace every ICC tournament, max the top 10 of every top 10 rating/rankings ever invented?
 
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I do think ECB are trying to force BCCI’s hand in allowing Indian players to participate in the Hundred.

It’s the only way they can save their own pathetic innovation into the game. A dreadful tournament with far too much money at stake yet extremely hard to make viable for the wider audience.
 
seems like some have changed their tune, wasn't the IPL being blamed for indias failures in the most recent world t20 not too long ago.

I think everyone is missing the point, IPL is not the issue as such, it becomes an issue when players start skipping first class and test matches to prioritize it. SA doing something similar with PSL , didnt PAK even try it limit their players to x2 leagues a season to ensure they were available for our main games? if you neglect test cricket then you will play poorly simple logic, i think they are trying to redress this balance
 
Does the IPL interfere with the Indian domestic season as it does the County Championship?

This is the crux.

Its not about test players becoming bad when playing IPL. It is about priorities and getting your preparations right for test cricket.
 
I defo feel IPL should have a separate window that does not clash with any test series/fc season.
I still wager if that window was found, the results of most test matches going around wold still be the same.
Would defo watch countries playing tests rather than whatstherename playing whosthatteam.
End of the day IPL is the most convenient coat hanger/umbrella stand when results donot go your way, the same as the big 3 narrative.
 
Feels like a good place to start, albeit too late and also a bit of a token gesture… plenty more actions to take.
 
Even after all this lip service, articles, forum discussions, watch a bunch of Eng players register for the auction in four weeks. Also, watch the ECB give NOC's to all of them.

By the way, I am sure the likes of Stokes, Butler, Curran, Ali, Bairstow, Morgan, Archer already have active contracts and likely not even part of the auction.

Will ECB stand in the way of "Life Changing Money"? If they do, what will the players do? Very interesting 3-4 weeks ahead......if the ECB is serious about this "just a few weeks".
 
Even after all this lip service, articles, forum discussions, watch a bunch of Eng players register for the auction in four weeks. Also, watch the ECB give NOC's to all of them.

By the way, I am sure the likes of Stokes, Butler, Curran, Ali, Bairstow, Morgan, Archer already have active contracts and likely not even part of the auction.

Will ECB stand in the way of "Life Changing Money"? If they do, what will the players do? Very interesting 3-4 weeks ahead......if the ECB is serious about this "just a few weeks".

Life changing money for who? Rich middle class poms who have all gone to private schools paid by their parents?
 
I think it is time the ECB introduce Red ball/White Ball contracts. This will be the next level up to central contracts.
 
Even after all this lip service, articles, forum discussions, watch a bunch of Eng players register for the auction in four weeks. Also, watch the ECB give NOC's to all of them.

By the way, I am sure the likes of Stokes, Butler, Curran, Ali, Bairstow, Morgan, Archer already have active contracts and likely not even part of the auction.

Will ECB stand in the way of "Life Changing Money"? If they do, what will the players do? Very interesting 3-4 weeks ahead......if the ECB is serious about this "just a few weeks".

Central ECB contracts pay in the millions, not to mention endorsements if said player performs in Tests.

Stokes earns more through endorsements because of that 1 single Test innings at Headingly compared to all the money he will ever earn through IPL.

IPL money is attractive for foreign players who are has beens, twilight players, rejects, international retiree - one last throw of the dice.
 
Life changing money for who? Rich middle class poms who have all gone to private schools paid by their parents?

Well, I remember Stokes being one of them who said that. Not sure which category he fall under.
 
Playing for your country is an honour.Any player who chooses to play T20 league cricket when his country needs him to prepare or play should be sacked.The majority of cricketers these days are quite well off compared to an average person.They get plenty of money from cricket boards,franchise cricket and commercial contracts(endorsements).
 
Central ECB contracts pay in the millions, not to mention endorsements if said player performs in Tests.

Stokes earns more through endorsements because of that 1 single Test innings at Headingly compared to all the money he will ever earn through IPL.

IPL money is attractive for foreign players who are has beens, twilight players, rejects, international retiree - one last throw of the dice.

Interesting. Because Stokes is the one who said that his IPL contract was Life Changing.

As far as IPL money attraction, have to see which players are on the final roster of each team after the auction. I guess we will have to wait for a month for that.
 
Central ECB contracts pay in the millions, not to mention endorsements if said player performs in Tests.

Stokes earns more through endorsements because of that 1 single Test innings at Headingly compared to all the money he will ever earn through IPL.

IPL money is attractive for foreign players who are has beens, twilight players, rejects, international retiree - one last throw of the dice.

So, Stokes/Buttler/Archer/Morgan/Warner/Willamson/Jameison/Rabada/Boult and co are has beens. 21 Gun salute to your logic.
 
Even after all this lip service, articles, forum discussions, watch a bunch of Eng players register for the auction in four weeks. Also, watch the ECB give NOC's to all of them.

By the way, I am sure the likes of Stokes, Butler, Curran, Ali, Bairstow, Morgan, Archer already have active contracts and likely not even part of the auction.

Will ECB stand in the way of "Life Changing Money"? If they do, what will the players do? Very interesting 3-4 weeks ahead......if the ECB is serious about this "just a few weeks".

One minute we are being told english players pay out of their own pocket for the privilege's of being at IPL, now we are being told life changing money, i can assure you english players get paid very well already, ipl contract will not change their life like it would an asian player, i expect most players will follow ECB guidance , theres enough leagues now in the off season to top up their earnings.
 
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Interesting. Because Stokes is the one who said that his IPL contract was Life Changing.

As far as IPL money attraction, have to see which players are on the final roster of each team after the auction. I guess we will have to wait for a month for that.

Did Stokes say the IPL money was life changing for him exclusively?

I agree IPL money is life changing for has-beens/retirees etc, but that one inning changes his life financially, in the same way the ball of the century changed the life of Warne. And no, Warne didn’t play in the IPL cos of money but because he had the opportunity to captain the team the way he wanted to.
 
The ironic thing is theres another thread running at the same time on this forum created by indian fans discussing the decline of indias test batting unit, take a guess why that could be :))
 
One minute we are being told english players pay out of their own pocket for the privilege's of being at IPL, now we are being told life changing money, i can assure you english players get paid very well already, ipl contract will not change their life like it would an asian player, i expect most players will follow ECB guidance , theres enough leagues now in the off season to top up their earnings.

Yes I remember being told that Woakes was not making a cent sitting on the bench at the IPL. This was during the Delhi Delta Pandemic
 
Did Stokes say the IPL money was life changing for him exclusively?

I agree IPL money is life changing for has-beens/retirees etc, but that one inning changes his life financially, in the same way the ball of the century changed the life of Warne. And no, Warne didn’t play in the IPL cos of money but because he had the opportunity to captain the team the way he wanted to.

I remember reading an article on how he woke up very early in the morning to see the auction and constantly refreshing twitter to find out what was happening. Yes, he did say life change for him. He was speaking about him. You should be able to google the article easily. I think it was on that huge cricket website if my memory serves me right.

By the way, I believe has/had a 3 year $6.3 million contract with RR.
 
One minute we are being told english players pay out of their own pocket for the privilege's of being at IPL, now we are being told life changing money, i can assure you english players get paid very well already, ipl contract will not change their life like it would an asian player, i expect most players will follow ECB guidance , theres enough leagues now in the off season to top up their earnings.

I have to direct you to the article I refer to in my post #72. Life Changing is what Stokes said. Not me.
 
England is not performing poorly because of IPL, they are performing poorly because they cant bat to save their lives.

They've not won an Ashes in australia in more than 35 years. I dont even remember the last close Ashes that happened in Australia, only the English leg has been competitive
 
Really? so each format was rocking , all was well with the cricket world, stadiums were full, revenues were maxed, itenaries were perfect?.
Am not saying IPL changed all that.
Ever cared to delve deeper into why the annual triangular odi series that was played in Aus from early 80's till then, had empty stadiums in matches where Aus did'nt play? and why was this triangular series shelved?-whats IPL got to do with this?
If as per you IPL is the sole source of all that s evil in the world of cricket - why does'nt a certain team who does not play in the IPL, ace every ICC tournament, max the top 10 of every top 10 rating/rankings ever invented?

You must be new to this forum and may be cricket as well. I have posted and gave so many reasons behind this over the past couple of years. Dig some of my old posts. I am not going to repeat myself for someone who can't differentiate between today's cricket and cricket before IPL came into existence. :inti
 
England is not performing poorly because of IPL, they are performing poorly because they cant bat to save their lives.

And in your opinion would facing better bowlers more often at domestic level, playing FC cricket more regularly and playing FC cricket rather than T20 in the run up to test series help them improve that test batting?
 
seems like some have changed their tune, wasn't the IPL being blamed for indias failures in the most recent world t20 not too long ago.

I think everyone is missing the point, IPL is not the issue as such, it becomes an issue when players start skipping first class and test matches to prioritize it. SA doing something similar with PSL , didnt PAK even try it limit their players to x2 leagues a season to ensure they were available for our main games? if you neglect test cricket then you will play poorly simple logic, i think they are trying to redress this balance

Most of them didn't even read the OP properly and getting mad without any reason. ECB said they are going to prioritise test cricket so they will limit England players availability. They want them to play some first class cricket before the next test series. What is wrong in that and why are IPL fans getting hurt over nothing? Not everyone likes to eat junk food, although some do like it, but they do it in a controlled way which is what ECB is trying to do here. :inti
 
Yes I remember being told that Woakes was not making a cent sitting on the bench at the IPL. This was during the Delhi Delta Pandemic

I think you have wrong information. All players on the roster are paid even if on the bench on match day. They are also paid full contract if they are injured during the IPL.

They only time they do not get paid is if they get injured playing for their country, other leagues and are unable play in the IPL. Which is why you see players taking it "easy" as IPL approaches so they do not get injured.
 
I think you have wrong information. All players on the roster are paid even if on the bench on match day. They are also paid full contract if they are injured during the IPL.

They only time they do not get paid is if they get injured playing for their country, other leagues and are unable play in the IPL. Which is why you see players taking it "easy" as IPL approaches so they do not get injured.

This was in reference to Woakes making a net loss from the IPL as a result of the deductions from his central contract to be allowed to participate in it and the loss of match fees for the NZ test series being greater than the value of his IPL contract.
 
This was in reference to Woakes making a net loss from the IPL as a result of the deductions from his central contract to be allowed to participate in it and the loss of match fees for the NZ test series being greater than the value of his IPL contract.

Can you post a reference to this claim?
 
Has the ECB released a statement regarding their intention to limit IPL appearances of their players?
 
Can you post a reference to this claim?

I'm mobile at the moment but the value of Woakes' IPL contract, the value of his central contract (and test match fees) and proportion the ECB dock a players salary whilst they're at the IPL are all readily available online. The maths on those figures clearly show it would've cost Woakes money to participate in the IPL.
 
This was in reference to Woakes making a net loss from the IPL as a result of the deductions from his central contract to be allowed to participate in it and the loss of match fees for the NZ test series being greater than the value of his IPL contract.

I guess he flunked math in school. If what you are saying is true, then poor on him to make the deal.
 
I'm mobile at the moment but the value of Woakes' IPL contract, the value of his central contract (and test match fees) and proportion the ECB dock a players salary whilst they're at the IPL are all readily available online. The maths on those figures clearly show it would've cost Woakes money to participate in the IPL.

So you say that Woakes would earn more than £150k or euro 180k inn 6 weeks from the ECB contract?
 
I guess he flunked math in school. If what you are saying is true, then poor on him to make the deal.

ECB contract is for a whole year and he gets test match fee IF he is selected.

Here he gets 150k gbp for 6 weeks as long as he is available for selection.

And here we are comparing one of the fringe players. Why not compare with what Stokes or Archer gets?
 
I guess he flunked math in school. If what you are saying is true, then poor on him to make the deal.

At the time he was only on the fringes of the T20 squad. It was potentially his last opportunity to play T20 cricket and make his case to be part of the squad before the upcoming world cup.

So you say that Woakes would earn more than £150k or euro 180k inn 6 weeks from the ECB contract?

I believe the latest IPL (at least the pre-covid schedule) was around 7 weeks but yes, he'd have earned more in that period from his England contract + match fees from the tests he didn't play as a result. That's before considering other potentially incurred costs at the time such as the fee to quarantine in a government provided hotel upon return to England.
 
At the time he was only on the fringes of the T20 squad. It was potentially his last opportunity to play T20 cricket and make his case to be part of the squad before the upcoming world cup.



I believe the latest IPL (at least the pre-covid schedule) was around 7 weeks but yes, he'd have earned more in that period from his England contract + match fees from the tests he didn't play as a result. That's before considering other potentially incurred costs at the time such as the fee to quarantine in a government provided hotel upon return to England.

if you had said woakes chose the lower salary as a result of trying to get into the t20 team it would make sense, but when you say someone paid out of their own pocket to go warm the bench in india at the height of covid and then have to come back and quarantine in a hotel again at his own cost it sounds very silly, especially when they are already an international player and not sure how it works inindia but in uk these players have multiple image , marketing deals, i am sure his flight and quarantine costs were already taken care of before he even stepped on a plane.
 
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if you had said woakes chose the lower salary as a result of trying to get into the t20 team it would make sense, but when you say someone paid out of their own pocket to go warm the bench in india at the height of covid and then have to come back and quarantine in a hotel again at his own cost it sounds very silly, especially when they are already an international player and not sure how it works inindia but in uk these players have multiple image , marketing deals, i am sure his flight and quarantine costs were already taken care of before he even stepped on a plane.

You can't really fault him for playing in the tournament at a financial loss to try and ensure he was in the squad for a world cup.

I'd assume it's pretty standard practice for franchises to pay for their players flights. Whether Woakes UK quarantine fee would've been included I'd be curious to know though given there wasn't a fee when he agreed to play or when he flew out to India. He'd have been making a loss before those kind of additional fees though.
 
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Australian players also played IPL... perhaps even more players than England team. But Australia crushed Ashes. Does IPL get credit for Aus performance? I mean if Eng bad performance is blamed on IPL...shouldn't it work both ways?
 
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