ECB planning to 'limit England stars' IPL availability' following Ashes defeat

[Cricfan4eva]

I think it will be sort of a PR disaster if the ECB let's its players in the IPL after the Ashes debacle. But I think as of now a dozen or so Eng players are registered for the auction. Which means the ECB has/will issue NOC for them if picked.

Won't be surprised if most of those are LOI specialists like Morgan, Roy. Bairstow, Buttler might only be the all format players who might be allowed keeping in mind 2023 WC. gaining exposure to indian pitches etc.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Watched enough cricket before the net came into existence, champ. No one's digging your old posts or would feel the need to. I never said the IPL is the be all and end all or that its beneficial to cricket. am not even a fan of it, i'd rather watch any nation play aanyone in tests.
But I maintain that the common tired narrative of the big 3, IPL and by extension the bcci are the root cause of all evil in the world of cricket is a common excuse for commenting on whatever your team's most recent results, your fav players in the ranking ladder, the FTP program, the reasons why we cant end the virus, global warming, beached whales etc.
And you still didnt give the reasons as to why the Annual Triangular ODI series in Aus stopped in 2008

BEFORE

the IPL came into existence.

or why did'nt it attract enough crowds in those triangular series in the games which aus was not playing. After all cricketing life was super hunky dory before the IPL began was'tn it.

You have come up with the weakest argument I have ever heard in support of IPL here lol. You say that you have watched cricket before internet came. There are people here who have been watching cricket before you even started watching it as well, little champ. Now coming back to your weak argument. You are expecting teams other than Australia to fill stadiums in Australia? Well most of the India and Pakistan matches had decent crowds there. When we talk about cricket being better before IPL came then we talk it as a whole. Here are some of the reasons, for more browse and search around this forum I have been posting here for quite sometime now :
1.) Scheduling was better, most of the teams used to play against each other. Now a days whole schedule is built around indian pyjama league. As a true cricket fan, that is what makes me dislike IPL more.

2.) Players had passion to play for their country. I don't have to say too much here. If you are really following cricket then you know how many players choose to skip matches to keep themselves fit for pyjama leagues.

3.) Teams were stronger before. Most of the teams now are pretty weak these days. Aus, SA, SL, West Indies and even Pakistan are nowhere near their teams from 2000s.

Kindly tell your reasons why cricket is better after IPL came into existence.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

You have come up with the weakest argument I have ever heard in support of IPL here lol.

I never said I 'supported IPL'. You missed the main premise of my argument. I will reiterate it once again - I said the IPL is not the cause of your team's latest position on the rankings table or the position of your cricketers on the top 10 whatever rankings. I meant that the IPL is the most convenient coat hanger/umbrella stand to blame for whatever reason catches your fancy. There is a massive difference between 'supporting IPL' and not blaming it.

You say that you have watched cricket before internet came. There are people here who have been watching cricket before you even started watching it as well, little champ. Now coming back to your weak argument. You are expecting teams other than Australia to fill stadiums in Australia? Well most of the India and Pakistan matches had decent crowds there.
Once again you jumped the gun. The triangular series was played in aus from the start of the 80's till 2008. I had mentioned before, IF the cricketing world was so perfect before the IPL came into existence, why did they have empty stadiums in matches not involving Aus? Surely, there was enough intrest inthe game itself for the paying public to watch a day of cricket yet be neutral. In your perfect pre IPL world, and cricket being the most loved viewing spectacle, ENG playing NZ or WI playing Saf should be drawing full houses , wouldnt it? Why did the Aus triangular series flop and then stop? its also not that they decided one fine day in 2008 to stop, its a gradual trend they obseverd over the years that it was not financially viable before pulling the plug - whats IPL got to do with that?


When we talk about cricket being better before IPL came then we talk it as a whole. Here are some of the reasons, for more browse and search around this forum I have been posting here for quite sometime now :
1.) Scheduling was better, most of the teams used to play against each other. Now a days whole schedule is built around indian pyjama league. As a true cricket fan, that is what makes me dislike IPL more.

- You might have a point here. As i also mentioned earlier, i'd take viewing test matches any day than viewing any league cricket. The truth of the matter is, there is NO window to slot IPL. Where ever u slot this, some country or the other's domestic/test season is bound to be disrupted. no easy fix for this.
But again - the IPL, your convenient one stop shop to groan gets more than it deserves by way of the collective common narrative.

2.) Players had passion to play for their country. I don't have to say too much here. If you are really following cricket then you know how many players choose to skip matches to keep themselves fit for pyjama leagues.

3.) Teams were stronger before. Most of the teams now are pretty weak these days. Aus, SA, SL, West Indies and even Pakistan are nowhere near their teams from 2000s.
So why did aus not be of the level of 1948 invincibles in the late 50's or 60's? WI started loosing at home and regularly from about mid 90's - what did IPL have to do with that?
- As per u If IPL did not come along, most teams mentioned above would be on peak strength, fitness ,ability, talent and skills to match each legendary side or be their finest sides every produced?
From these, One of the teams does not play IPL - can u co-relate with metrics exactly how its strength dwindled?

Kindly tell your reasons why cricket is better after IPL came into existence.

- As Explained above. I never said about better or worse but rather commented on the convenient blame IPL gets for a lot that it does not deserve.

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL is not hurting Test Cricket, atleast in India, it definitely is not.

Guys like Washington Sundar who hasn't played any FC games after 2017 comes out in a Brisbane test and plays a pivotal role with both bat and bowl. You have to give credit to IPL here because it helps youngsters in being mentally up there at the highest level.

Sports at the highest level is a more of a mental game than skills because skills pretty much are similar for most players at highest level.

 

[James]

It is absolutely the correct decision from both Joe and Ben on this occasion to miss the IPL and go back to basics by playing more cricket for their counties this year. Hopefully other centrally contracted England players will follow suit.

There are a full two months of spring fixtures lined up before the first Test against New Zealand, which is an unusually good opportunity for our beleaguered players to play domestically; usually the Test matches in England begin in early to mid May when everyone is still wearing long sleeves.

The right example has been set.

 

[Manunited18]

Taking a break from IPL this season maybe fine after a gruelling last year, but I think that's least of England's Test teams problem. We can't blame IPL for England's woes.

Australia are a prime example, start of the Ashes series Australia came in to the series severely underdone. Their last test before the first test at the Gabba was back in January but they some how showed their quality despite this.

 

[U$ofA]

It is absolutely the correct decision from both Joe and Ben on this occasion to miss the IPL and go back to basics by playing more cricket for their counties this year. Hopefully other centrally contracted England players will follow suit.

There are a full two months of spring fixtures lined up before the first Test against New Zealand, which is an unusually good opportunity for our beleaguered players to play domestically; usually the Test matches in England begin in early to mid May when everyone is still wearing long sleeves.

The right example has been set.

One would think, these two are the one that need county cricket the least.

Also, is this some kind of a stunt for just one year? Will they go back to the IPL next year?

 

[Varun]

1. Was Root ever in the IPL to take a break from it?

2. Is Stokes strategically planning a 1 year hiatus just for the optics before he dives into the pool again next year and beyond?

 

[MenInG]

Muscat: Former captain and batting star Kevin Pietersen has said that it’s “stupid” to blame the Indian Premier League for England’s embarrassing 0-4 loss to Australia in the recently-concluded Ashes series. England great David Gower was “annoyed” after their Ashes defeat and said current skipper Joe Root had players who were “unavailable” because of the IPL.

Pietersen, an Ashes winner in 2005, 2009, 2010-11 and 2013, laughed at the remark.

“It is stupid. You can’t blame the IPL for the demise of Test cricket in England. It’s crazy. I’ve commented on it quite a lot. It’s the system, it’s the county cricket system, which is poor. So there’s no blame,” Pietersen, who is representing World Giants in the Legends League Cricket here, said during an interaction here on Thursday.

“It’s crazy to blame the Indian Premier League because if you have a look at the Test team, there’s only maybe (Ben) Stokes (Jonny) Bairstow and (Jos) Buttler who play the IPL…

“Hardly any of the Test team players play the IPL… So how can you blame the IPL? You can’t blame the IPL. It’s crazy,” a former captain of the IPL’s Delhi franchise added.

Off-the-field, the English cricketers were also mired in a controversy after a report claimed that there was a “drinking culture” in the team with the players and coaches drinking late into the night before police broke up the session.

Pietersen said there was no harm in it as the players are affected by the strict bio-bubble restrictions.

“It’s stressful. It’s incredibly stressful. I’ve never played in a bubble. I can’t imagine but I think it must be very lonely.

“You’re not allowed to go to coffee shops. You’re not allowed to go down to the restaurants, you’re not allowed to do anything. And what else do you do?

“So I’m sure that the guys must have tried to find some sort of social activities in whichever way that they deem fit,” he said.

The 41-year-old had earlier urged radical changes in the red-ball format in England with a call to impose ‘The Hundred’ template on first-class games as he felt that the standard of County Championship has fallen down.

Asked whether he sees himself as a batting coach of the side one day, Pietersen said: “We’ll see, we’ll see. Maybe one day.”

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...nglands-ashes-debacle-kevin-pietersen-1011645

 

[MenInG]

Just a few weeks before the Indian Premier League (IPL) 2022 auction, Jofra Archer and Mitchell Starc have decided to withdraw pull out of the 15th edition of the T20 league. While Starc had recently admitted that he was thinking of participating in the franchise league, keeping in mind the 2022 T20 World Cup, his decision to pull out does look like an odd one. As for Archer, who had missed most of the 2021 IPL season due to an injury, is back playing cricket but isn't willing to put his name for next month's auction.

The pace-bowling duo of Starc and Archer joined the likes of Ben Stokes and Joe Root -- two more high-profile players -- in confirming their non-participation in the IPL Season 15. As per a report in media, over 1200 players (1214 precisely) have registered for the upcoming mega auction, the list was shared with the 10 franchises on Friday night (January 21).

These times of cricket in bio-bubbles have made things quite arduous for players. Moving from one bubble to another without much family time and break has had its toll on players. Many cricketers have hence decided to weigh their options and see long-term commitments before pledging participation in leagues and bilateral assignments spread across the year.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...stokes-joe-root-in-snubbing-t20-league/851883

 

[U$ofA]

There are 24 English players registered for the IPL auction. Has the ECB issued NOC's for all these players? If so, is all this talk of "limiting to just a few weeks" just that, talk?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

There are 24 English players registered for the IPL auction. Has the ECB issued NOC's for all these players? If so, is all this talk of "limiting to just a few weeks" just that, talk?

They were just using the IPL as a scapegoat. The Ashes furore has died down a bit and they don't want to throw too many stones at the IPl, else people will ask questions about the 100 too.

 

[HitWicket]

There are 24 English players registered for the IPL auction. Has the ECB issued NOC's for all these players? If so, is all this talk of "limiting to just a few weeks" just that, talk?

Issuing an NOC doesn't mean the player will be available for the whole tournament and the majority of those 24 aren't on test contracts.

 

[U$ofA]

Issuing an NOC doesn't mean the player will be available for the whole tournament and the majority of those 24 aren't on test contracts.

What will be interesting to know is if the ECB get the full cut of $$$ from IPL but do not make players available for the full IPL.

Not sure what the obligations/contract the ECB has if they get the full $$$ per player. Are they forced to make those players available for the length of the IPL?

 

[HitWicket]

What will be interesting to know is if the ECB get the full cut of $$$ from IPL but do not make players available for the full IPL.

Not sure what the obligations/contract the ECB has if they get the full $$$ per player. Are they forced to make those players available for the length of the IPL?

Mg assumption would be that the money that gets paid to foreign boards is based on what players actually get paid for the season, taking into account reductions because of injury/unavailability etc.

 

[MenInG]

Rob Key on IPL related issues in an interview with Nasser Hussain:

Hussain: Your problem is some of the best coaches are working in the Indian Premier League. What if they say, 'I'd like the job but I'd like to carry on working in the IPL?'

Key: It's not an issue if they're the best person. You have to move with the times and I can't see why Jos Buttler, for instance, could play the whole IPL but our coaches couldn't be there for it all. Who knows where the IPL will be in five years' time but at the moment there's no international cricket when the IPL's on. I'd rather have the best person for 10 months a year than someone not as good for 12.

Hussain: I nicked all your best lines. There weren't many. You're trying to distract me now. Are you willing to say no to players? If a player wants to take up a million-pound IPL deal but you think it's better for English red-ball cricket for him not to go are you strong enough to make an unpopular decision?

Key: I don't have an issue with that. These things are not binary. It's not simply that you can tell a player not to go to the IPL because what happens when he then turns round and says, 'OK, I don't want a central contract, I'll go down a different route'. Any decision won't be a hard one to make if it's the right thing to do. If a player wants to do something that won't benefit English cricket the answer will be no.

Daily Mail

 

[gazza619]

^wise words

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hussain trying to make Rob Key say players won't be allowed in the IPL.

Rob key told him on his face, what will we do if players turn around and say we don't want your contract.

Depending on the IPL media rights value, the salaries in IPL mat double.

 

[U$ofA]

^wise words

Indeed.

Good that he realizes the realities of cricket. Not living in some ancient/fantasy world.

 

[U$ofA]

Hussain trying to make Rob Key say players won't be allowed in the IPL.

Rob key told him on his face, what will we do if players turn around and say we don't want your contract.

Depending on the IPL media rights value, the salaries in IPL mat double.

As Key says, who knows where IPL will be in 5 years time. In 5 years the salaries may be 3-4 times what they are now.

The upcoming rights estimated at $6billion will be coming to an end in 5 years. Who knows what that media rights value will be.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indeed.

Good that he realizes the realities of cricket. Not living in some ancient/fantasy world.

More like horror realities of cricket. Low quality league cricket is doing its best to destroy this beautiful game of cricket. I know you are more interested in business side of cricket like money and power but I am speaking as a real cricket fan.

 

[AMSS]

Hussain trying to make Rob Key say players won't be allowed in the IPL.

Rob key told him on his face, what will we do if players turn around and say we don't want your contract.

Depending on the IPL media rights value, the salaries in IPL mat double.

Buddy, you have been on this forum for too long and watched cricket even longer.

But you still come up with these silly takes? Are you not aware that Hussain, Key, Bumble etc etc are all pals and part of a clique? Nasser wasn't making Key say anything they didn't both already know...and agreed to.

This clique from Sky but also BBC - they pretty much shape and control the minuscule audience for cricket in England. They are always on the very same page regardless of what you may perceive as difference.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

As Key says, who knows where IPL will be in 5 years time. In 5 years the salaries may be 3-4 times what they are now.

The upcoming rights estimated at $6billion will be coming to an end in 5 years. Who knows what that media rights value will be.

Wasn't I right about you when I said you are too obsessed with money, power, salaries and stuff? Do you even talk about cricket in general? There is more to cricket than money and ofcourse I am once again saying this as a real cricket fan.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Wasn't I right about you when I said you are too obsessed with money, power, salaries and stuff? Do you even talk about cricket in general? There is more to cricket than money and ofcourse I am once again saying this as a real cricket fan.

In reality, T20 has kept the test cricket alive. Without these T20 franchise leagues, very few athletes outside of subcontinent would've picked cricket as a profession because of the poor financial state of the game.
Let's be honest here, except for few of us cricket nerds, most of the younger generations dosen't give a damn about the longer version of the game. People get bored watching a 2-hour long movie in todays world and you expect a sport to survive with an 8 hour & another 5 day version.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

What Key said isn't a lot different from what Giles said. But when results didn't go his way, ECB went back to forcing players to opt out and Giles got the boot...

ECB/English cricket going through what India side did during 2011-14 phase. Where IPL was demonised for our test woes.

But a change in captain and coach and despite IPL we became no.1 test team, won in Aus twice. competed in SENA and lost some real close games.

Unlike these old timers like Athers, Nasser who seem to have fixation on IPL being root cause of England's test downfall, hope Key sees the bigger picture. You have to plan for England's future with IPL (or T20 leagues rather) in the mix and not blackmail players to put country above club. It will just end badly.

 

[U$ofA]

Well, the IPL is ongoing and so is the County season. Has the ECB asked....rather told any of the Eng players in the IPL to come back?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

In reality, T20 has kept the test cricket alive. Without these T20 franchise leagues, very few athletes outside of subcontinent would've picked cricket as a profession because of the poor financial state of the game.
Let's be honest here, except for few of us cricket nerds, most of the younger generations dosen't give a damn about the longer version of the game. People get bored watching a 2-hour long movie in todays world and you expect a sport to survive with an 8 hour & another 5 day version.

People also like to eat junk food, it doesn't mean it is the right food for their health. Test cricket will always remain the premier format, followed by ODIs and T20Is. These franchise leagues are eating up international cricket calendar slowly and you on the other hand think these are keeping test cricket alive. Some of you Pyjama League fans have totally forgotten that cricket did exist before IPL came into existence and it was beautiful to watch. It has now become polluted with greedy boards and plastic fans.

 

[U$ofA]

What Key said isn't a lot different from what Giles said. But when results didn't go his way, ECB went back to forcing players to opt out and Giles got the boot...

ECB/English cricket going through what India side did during 2011-14 phase. Where IPL was demonised for our test woes.

But a change in captain and coach and despite IPL we became no.1 test team, won in Aus twice. competed in SENA and lost some real close games.

Unlike these old timers like Athers, Nasser who seem to have fixation on IPL being root cause of England's test downfall, hope Key sees the bigger picture. You have to plan for England's future with IPL (or T20 leagues rather) in the mix and not blackmail players to put country above club. It will just end badly.

Key does see the big picture and has understood the realities of cricket. Good to see that he is flexible and willing to accommodate players and coaches preferences for the IPL.

I think it is the right approach and probably the only way to get the best of the best play and coach for Eng. while still keeping the peace.

 

[MenInG]

Not done a great job ECB in 2023

Reece Topley already

 

[MenInG]

England Test captain Ben Stokes faces a week on the sidelines after suffering an injury setback, says his Indian Premier League coach Stephen Fleming.

Stokes has played just two of six matches for Chennai Super Kings since the start of the IPL season in March.

The 31-year-old all-rounder had a pain-relieving injection in his knee before flying out to India.

"He had another little setback yesterday, so he's probably a few days or a week away at least," said Fleming.

There is no suggestion Wisden's newly crowned leading cricketer in the world has suffered further issues with his long-standing knee problem.

A toe injury saw him miss recent games and while the Chennai coach did not elaborate on the latest injury, reports in India say he has a heel problem.

Stokes was bought by Chennai for $1.98m (£1.6m) in the IPL auction in December and is expected to lead the England Test team in this summer's home Ashes series, which starts in June.

Fleming, speaking after Chennai's seven-wicket win over Sunrisers Hyderabad, said: "This is a challenge. Our priority is getting Ben fit and ready to play, that's what we are concentrating on. At the moment, he's not quite ready."

Four-time champions Chennai face Kolkata Knight Riders in their next match on Sunday.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/65358480

 

[MenInG]

Another IPL cacualty

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The England & Wales Cricket Board (ECB) can confirm that fast bowler Jofra Archer will return from the Indian Premier League with immediate effect.

Archer has been recovering from right elbow surgery. However, pushing through the discomfort whilst recently playing, hoping it will settle, has proven challenging. Therefore, it has been agreed for him to return to the UK for a period of rest and rehabilitation to give him the best opportunity for a full recovery.

The ECB would like to thank the Mumbai Indians for their support and cooperation during this time.

Archer will return to the UK this week and will work on his rehab with the ECB medical department and Sussex County Cricket Club, respectively.