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Ehsan Adil - why is he being given so many chances when he has failed again and again?

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He was bowling 125k thunderbolts on his debut. Then his performance in uae and Lanka was also bad.

In first 2 matches against eng lions, his performance was once again very average.

Why is he given so many chances. He literally has nothing to offer.

Can't PCB give chances to other bowlers. Eg mir hamza etc(I m not expecting much from him too) At least he might not be that bad as ehsan Adil is.Or someone else who deserves a chance.

Most astonishing fact about ehsan Adil is that we have ppers who still support him.

I mean seriously!!!
 
He is 6 foot 4, I remember his debut. He bowled above 140kph a few times. You can't judge him off a couple of games in New Zealand. He was bowling well within himself in that match. He can become a genuinely good player if we manage him properly.
 
He is 6 foot 4, I remember his debut. He bowled above 140kph a few times. You can't judge him off a couple of games in New Zealand. He was bowling well within himself in that match. He can become a genuinely good player if we manage him properly.

Broad bowled 1 2 or maybe 10 150kph deliveries in 2009. That doesn't mean he can bowl 150 kph.

By your logic ea should be consistently given chances when he is not demonstrating any potency in his bowling.

Poor logic!
 
He was better than Hazlewood at under 19. Hes talll and ive seen him bowl really well. Yes he hasnt impressed on the intl stage but he can come good
 
He has played 3 Tests and just 6 ODIs. He has the basic attributes, but needs to be taught how to use his strengths. I'll give him a few more chances before judging him. We'll see what happens.
 
Never rated him high. Another useless bowler.

he is definitely a better bowler and batsman than anwar ali, if anwar ali can be given so many chances why not ehsan adil... this is the problem with PCB and PCT they dont give chances to deserving youngsters , even if given the chance will be snatched in 3 games and discarded for 2 years, but they poorly judge some players as future ATGs and keep giving him chances after chances, no matter how many matches they lose for the country, they will play on their past glory/reputation or winning one match of the entire series and being constantly inconsistent....
 
he is definitely a better bowler and batsman than anwar ali, if anwar ali can be given so many chances why not ehsan adil... this is the problem with PCB and PCT they dont give chances to deserving youngsters , even if given the chance will be snatched in 3 games and discarded for 2 years, but they poorly judge some players as future ATGs and keep giving him chances after chances, no matter how many matches they lose for the country, they will play on their past glory/reputation or winning one match of the entire series and being constantly inconsistent....

Anwar Ali won pk u19 WC
Ea didn't
Anwar Ali won pk an odi against SA in SA and helped pk to become first Asian team who beat SA in SA in Odis.
SL and india still waiting for there ist ever odi series victory against sa in sa.
A Ali won pk a t20 against Lanka

Even though aa does not deserve a place in pk yet his performance has been better than ea.

Ea has achieved nothing absolutely nothing 0/0

He has nothing to offer.

Not a satisfactory reply.

Next please!
 
He was bowling 125k thunderbolts on his debut. Then his performance in uae and Lanka was also bad.

In first 2 matches against eng lions, his performance was once again very average.

Why is he given so many chances. He literally has nothing to offer.

Can't PCB give chances to other bowlers. Eg mir hamza etc(I m not expecting much from him too) At least he might not be that bad as ehsan Adil is.Or someone else who deserves a chance.

Most astonishing fact about ehsan Adil is that we have ppers who still support him.

I mean seriously!!!

What is the need to select a player for odi games when he performed well in four day games ?
 
he is definitely a better bowler and batsman than anwar ali, if anwar ali can be given so many chances why not ehsan adil... this is the problem with PCB and PCT they dont give chances to deserving youngsters , even if given the chance will be snatched in 3 games and discarded for 2 years, but they poorly judge some players as future ATGs and keep giving him chances after chances, no matter how many matches they lose for the country, they will play on their past glory/reputation or winning one match of the entire series and being constantly inconsistent....

This isn't the problem with PCB or selectors, this is the problem with us. With one good performance, we pin our high hopes. But with some failures, we change our stance. We don't have stability, nor PCB, neither our team.
In T20I, what you need? Explosive openers, don't mind if they are blind sloggers, hacks what ever you label them. After a long wait, we found Mukhtar, good start to his career, but failed in one series and we declared him as a useless hack and poor guy has been discarded. Now i hope you are seeing our team conditions, they even don't know how to hit the ball hard :facepalm:
Yeah, Mukhtar was hack, a blind slogger fair enough, but we should have stuck with him, he would have learned some thing. At least he could have performed in 2 games out of 5 ( still not better but at least better than our current players who performance ratio is 1:10 )
Now already people have pointed their knives towards poor Imaad.
The amount of changes which we are doing in our LOIs, no other team is doing much. These massive changes won't give you a stable team, won't give you a consistent team.

We gave many chances to Ehsan, he failed, dropped, fair enough. We gave so many chances to Anwar Ali, failing consistently but some how he is still in the team, which is painful.

Both are useless players, but if necessary to pick among poor players i will pick less poor i.e Anwar Ali.
 
What is the need to select a player for odi games when he performed well in four day games ?

What's the need of selecting Ehsan Adil when you are already trying to invest in young players like Mir and Zia ?? Why don't select these young players and groom them?? Why don't give them some matches at international level?
 
He was bowling 125k thunderbolts on his debut. Then his performance in uae and Lanka was also bad.

In first 2 matches against eng lions, his performance was once again very average.

Why is he given so many chances. He literally has nothing to offer.

Can't PCB give chances to other bowlers. Eg mir hamza etc(I m not expecting much from him too) At least he might not be that bad as ehsan Adil is.Or someone else who deserves a chance.

Most astonishing fact about ehsan Adil is that we have ppers who still support him.

I mean seriously!!!

where are these so many chances, can you help me count. also can you tell me these so called so many chances are on regular basis or dropped, do well in domestic and then get recalled
 
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I had told you earlier too to forget his debut game wrt speeds. He was 19 than.

He isn't trundler. He is fast medium who operates between 135 to 144kph.

It is not right to select a player for odi series based on his numbers in four day games. Criteria for selection in pakistan Odi team should be based 100 % on last domestic one day cup if after that no Fc cricket was played or if your last domestic tournament was Fc cricket than 30 % on performances in last FC tournament (to gauge form&fitness) and 70% on performances in last domestic one day cup.
 
What's the need of selecting Ehsan Adil when you are already trying to invest in young players like Mir and Zia ?? Why don't select these young players and groom them?? Why don't give them some matches at international level?

but aren't these young players doing bad on international stage right now, I mean we then blame them for playing poor after criticizing everyone for not giving them a chance.

there needs to be a simple system. pick a talent you think is promising, get him on board, groom him, if he's performing well after a particular time then keep him, if not then get him out of the system. simple
 
but aren't these young players doing bad on international stage right now, I mean we then blame them for playing poor after criticizing everyone for not giving them a chance.

there needs to be a simple system. pick a talent you think is promising, get him on board, groom him, if he's performing well after a particular time then keep him, if not then get him out of the system. simple

Just look at the ECB system it;s so good; if Stuart Broad was a pakistani his career would have been done and dusted by now
 
Just look at the ECB system it;s so good; if Stuart Broad was a pakistani his career would have been done and dusted by now

exactly, there is no proper system and I know waqar wants to establish one. I hope he finds success. our media on top of some dumb ex players just make it really difficult

there should also be boundaries set for the media regard to PCB
 
What's the need of selecting Ehsan Adil when you are already trying to invest in young players like Mir and Zia ?? Why don't select these young players and groom them?? Why don't give them some matches at international level?

I have no faith in Zia ul Haq who is a spray gun. While Mir Hamza is a four day specialist who should be considered for Pakistan A four day games and test team if he performs at optimum level. Ehsan Adil should be considered for Pakistan test team if he performs well for Pakistan A in four day games.


Why would you select players for one day games based upon performances in only quaid e azam trophy ? Why was last domestic one day cup players in 2014 2015 season ? Where will those top performers go who excelled in odi ganes ? Asghar and Sadaf were top wicket takers in last one day cup. They proved their form and fitness in last QEA trophy which finished few weeks ago, so the top wicket takers of last domestic one day cup proved their formant fitness in QEA trophy aswell and both aren't in pakistan A one day team. Why ?
 
Adil is a test bowler who will be a handful overseas once he gets his lower body stronger. He has picked up pace in the last year or so.
 
He can do well if given a defined role that suits him. I can see him fitting in along side Amir and Wahab in the pace bowling unit. We really need a tall right arm fast bowler who can swing it.
 
He was bowling 125k thunderbolts on his debut. Then his performance in uae and Lanka was also bad.

In first 2 matches against eng lions, his performance was once again very average.

Why is he given so many chances. He literally has nothing to offer.

Can't PCB give chances to other bowlers. Eg mir hamza etc(I m not expecting much from him too) At least he might not be that bad as ehsan Adil is.Or someone else who deserves a chance.

Most astonishing fact about ehsan Adil is that we have ppers who still support him.

I mean seriously!!!

He is a tall, fast-medium hit-the-deck bowler.

With the exception of Glenn McGrath, such bowlers - even Sir Curtly Ambrose - struggle in Asia.

Think of the QEA Final, where the pitch had to be left grassy to preserve the pink ball. Suddenly Ehsan Adil looked like he had for Pakistan Under 19 in South Africa when he and De Kock excelled.

We saw at Perth and Brosbane that even Trent Boult was too short to keep the Aussie Test batsmen in check.

The time when you will need Ehsan Adil is in your ten away Tests in England, New Zealand and Australia this year. If your selectors are carried away by thoughts of self-harm they will omit Mohammad Asif, and in such circumstances you will need Ehsan Adil to bowl long spells to keep Wahab Riaz able to bowl short, fast ones.
 
Because he is a good bowler whose style of bowling is perhaps more suited to the longer format of the game. He is the back up from Imran Khan in the test team.
 
He is 6 foot 4, I remember his debut. He bowled above 140kph a few times. You can't judge him off a couple of games in New Zealand. He was bowling well within himself in that match. He can become a genuinely good player if we manage him properly.

His fielding is atrocious. Anyone remember the games he came on for injured Irfan as a sub during the world cup?
 
This is the main point which is being overlooked by a lot of people.

Another classic case of a nonsensical thought-process.

8 0 68 1 8.50 - 2nd ODI vs Newzealand in 2015 - Napier

7.3 0 44 0 5.86 - 1st ODI vs Newzealand in 2015 - Wellington

5 0 31 1 6.20 - Pakistan vs Australia Quarter final 2015 - Adelaide

Hardly any performance worth noting

Not a bowler you can rely on in the ODI's. No death bowling, no pace. Not to mention his shoddy fielding and his performance against Australia was for everyone to see. Nothing bowler in limited overs cricket. Thanks but no thanks! We have plenty of trundlers already.
Sohail tanvir has more guile and variations than this guy. He might even be a better fielder than him.
 
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He is a tall, fast-medium hit-the-deck bowler.

With the exception of Glenn McGrath, such bowlers - even Sir Curtly Ambrose - struggle in Asia.

Think of the QEA Final, where the pitch had to be left grassy to preserve the pink ball. Suddenly Ehsan Adil looked like he had for Pakistan Under 19 in South Africa when he and De Kock excelled.

We saw at Perth and Brosbane that even Trent Boult was too short to keep the Aussie Test batsmen in check.

The time when you will need Ehsan Adil is in your ten away Tests in England, New Zealand and Australia this year. If your selectors are carried away by thoughts of self-harm they will omit Mohammad Asif, and in such circumstances you will need Ehsan Adil to bowl long spells to keep Wahab Riaz able to bowl short, fast ones.

No sure if he will stay fit. He seems to tear his meniscus, or sprain his ligament everytime he bowls 10-12 overs.
 
He is a tall, fast-medium hit-the-deck bowler.

With the exception of Glenn McGrath, such bowlers - even Sir Curtly Ambrose - struggle in Asia.

Think of the QEA Final, where the pitch had to be left grassy to preserve the pink ball. Suddenly Ehsan Adil looked like he had for Pakistan Under 19 in South Africa when he and De Kock excelled.

We saw at Perth and Brosbane that even Trent Boult was too short to keep the Aussie Test batsmen in check.

The time when you will need Ehsan Adil is in your ten away Tests in England, New Zealand and Australia this year. If your selectors are carried away by thoughts of self-harm they will omit Mohammad Asif, and in such circumstances you will need Ehsan Adil to bowl long spells to keep Wahab Riaz able to bowl short, fast ones.

Because he is a good bowler whose style of bowling is perhaps more suited to the longer format of the game. He is the back up from Imran Khan in the test team.


those who are saying that he is a test bowler should check his debut against south africa

A batsman needs more time to settle in unlike bowler

steve waugh and viv richards were not instant successes but their captains retained them in squad because they saw something in them and these two became atgs

But a bowler does not need that much time

Waqar wasim donald akhtar Muhammad Sami Umer Gul all showed some promise

this trundler has been painfully average in tests. Literally nothing happened when he was bowling

Because abc is a good ______ so we should tolerate him despite the fact that he offers no value is an invalid logic

and not just ea took wickets on green tops bilawal bhatti also took an 8fer. Now does that mean he is a good bowler
No!

our domestic batters are not international standard.

Boult showed promise initially so comparison with boult is not valid

I respect your opinion when it comes to cricket. But here i have to disagree here. I agree with most of stuff you say here though
 
8 0 68 1 8.50 - 2nd ODI vs Newzealand in 2015 - Napier

7.3 0 44 0 5.86 - 1st ODI vs Newzealand in 2015 - Wellington

5 0 31 1 6.20 - Pakistan vs Australia Quarter final 2015 - Adelaide

Hardly any performance worth noting

Not a bowler you can rely on in the ODI's. No death bowling, no pace. Not to mention his shoddy fielding and his performance against Australia was for everyone to see. Nothing bowler in limited overs cricket. Thanks but no thanks! We have plenty of trundlers already.
Sohail tanvir has more guile and variations than this guy. He might even be a better fielder than him.

thing is that shoaib malik fans and ehsan adil fans are 90% same

Mamoon no 1 fan of both who is now hiding to save his face due to his overhype of malik and ea

Mamoon whines about ppers overhyping domestic players but when one of his own players get tonked or proved pathetic then he goes into hiding
 
thing is that shoaib malik fans and ehsan adil fans are 90% same

Mamoon no 1 fan of both who is now hiding to save his face due to his overhype of malik and ea

Mamoon whines about ppers overhyping domestic players but when one of his own players get tonked or proved pathetic then he goes into hiding

Yes, hiding my face because Malik has been comfortably the best middle-order batsman for Pakistan in 2015 in Limited Overs :)) are you that dumb in real life too? I hope not.

Sure kick Malik out, but replace him with who? What sort of logic is it to kick out your best performing middle-order batsman, especially when you don't have performing alternatives?

The fact that Malik a player who debuted in 1999 and is not world class by any means has been your best batsman in 2015 has more to do with the failures of the young <30 year old batsmen in the country. They might all be more talented than him but some don't have the fitness and others don't have the work ethic and passion to do well.

Regarding Ehsan, this guy isn't a Limited Overs bowlers, especially on UAE surfaces. He is not quick and doesn't have variations. He is a Test bowler who can jag the ball off the seam and can trouble the batsmen with his height. He should tour England, Australia and NZ for Test cricket and compete with Imran.
 
This isn't the problem with PCB or selectors, this is the problem with us. With one good performance, we pin our high hopes. But with some failures, we change our stance. We don't have stability, nor PCB, neither our team.
In T20I, what you need? Explosive openers, don't mind if they are blind sloggers, hacks what ever you label them. After a long wait, we found Mukhtar, good start to his career, but failed in one series and we declared him as a useless hack and poor guy has been discarded. Now i hope you are seeing our team conditions, they even don't know how to hit the ball hard :facepalm:
Yeah, Mukhtar was hack, a blind slogger fair enough, but we should have stuck with him, he would have learned some thing. At least he could have performed in 2 games out of 5 ( still not better but at least better than our current players who performance ratio is 1:10 )
Now already people have pointed their knives towards poor Imaad.
The amount of changes which we are doing in our LOIs, no other team is doing much. These massive changes won't give you a stable team, won't give you a consistent team.

We gave many chances to Ehsan, he failed, dropped, fair enough. We gave so many chances to Anwar Ali, failing consistently but some how he is still in the team, which is painful.

Both are useless players, but if necessary to pick among poor players i will pick less poor i.e Anwar Ali.


no u r wrong... ehsan adil is a new ball bowler but he was not used to his strengths.... only twice he was given the newball and 1 was in the quarterfinal of CWC...I wont even rate anwar ali as a bowler,but unfortunately the new ball is in his hand.. the amount of times they used the new ball with anwar ali, should have tried with ehsan adil im sure he would fare much better than him...PCB and mgmt are dumb in judging talents... sending bilal asif to open in an ODI shows how good their eyes are...
 
no u r wrong... ehsan adil is a new ball bowler but he was not used to his strengths.... only twice he was given the newball and 1 was in the quarterfinal of CWC...I wont even rate anwar ali as a bowler,but unfortunately the new ball is in his hand.. the amount of times they used the new ball with anwar ali, should have tried with ehsan adil im sure he would fare much better than him...PCB and mgmt are dumb in judging talents... sending bilal asif to open in an ODI shows how good their eyes are...

On this i can agree that with new ball, Ehsan is at least better than Anwar Ali. If you give same amount of chances to Ehsan Adil or any other bowler, he would have performed better than AA.

Writing talent and PCB in one line is a crime :))
 
If height is such an important factor, then i wonder why Irfan is a poor bowler? :(

Irfan's problem is his lack of fitness and weak lower body/cower due to which he crumbles at the crease. With a bit of work, he could have been a lethal bowler but the ship has sailed now.

Adil also needs to improve his fitness and core strength to become a very good Test bowler.
 
no u r wrong... ehsan adil is a new ball bowler but he was not used to his strengths.... only twice he was given the newball and 1 was in the quarterfinal of CWC...I wont even rate anwar ali as a bowler,but unfortunately the new ball is in his hand.. the amount of times they used the new ball with anwar ali, should have tried with ehsan adil im sure he would fare much better than him...PCB and mgmt are dumb in judging talents... sending bilal asif to open in an ODI shows how good their eyes are...

Rahat Ali was introduced first change but he didn't complain did he. Took crucial wickets and bowled an impeccable line in the WC. Something that cannot be said by Adil whenever he has been used.
 
Shoaib Malik was right in his interview the other day.

He talked about medium pacers doing well in domestic cricket because of the wickets. They can just jog in and bowl at 130KPH because of how much seam movement there is.

Ehsan Adil seems to be a beneficiary of this along with the likes of Mir Hamza and Sadaf Hussain. This takes nothing away from them, but it exaggerates how good they are. Thus, when they bowl around the world, the results are not there.
 
Rahat Ali was introduced first change but he didn't complain did he. Took crucial wickets and bowled an impeccable line in the WC. Something that cannot be said by Adil whenever he has been used.

before that match rahat ali already played against SA and other teams to perform in the crunch games... this guy was used only after irfan got injured and couldnt play.. before that he played one game in NZL series and a warmup game and then straight into semifinal... indeed he got the important breakthrough of steve smith who was taking the game away from pak reach and got back pak into the game...
 
Shoaib Malik was right in his interview the other day.

He talked about medium pacers doing well in domestic cricket because of the wickets. They can just jog in and bowl at 130KPH because of how much seam movement there is.

Ehsan Adil seems to be a beneficiary of this along with the likes of Mir Hamza and Sadaf Hussain. This takes nothing away from them, but it exaggerates how good they are. Thus, when they bowl around the world, the results are not there.

i dont agree with this... they pick bowlers with mediocre averages in domestic and tend to be mediocre in int'l games as well.... on the contrary when they pick bowlers with good averages they do well in the int'l games too intially, but later they are not improving after a bad run of form..
 
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wrong logic
nothing new
just beating about the bush

laugh all you can...though you are burning from inside

Wrong answer

till now none one has posted plausible reply

Next please!
 
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Shoaib Malik was right in his interview the other day.

He talked about medium pacers doing well in domestic cricket because of the wickets. They can just jog in and bowl at 130KPH because of how much seam movement there is.

Ehsan Adil seems to be a beneficiary of this along with the likes of Mir Hamza and Sadaf Hussain. This takes nothing away from them, but it exaggerates how good they are. Thus, when they bowl around the world, the results are not there.

Spot on

Since 1 beneficiary has been exposed its time to give chance to other two beneficiaries
 
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now go to your study room and paint a shoaib malik pictures. Since you like painting. You might find it entertaining!!!! :))
Shoaib Malik is not going to play till 25 of january
 
8 0 68 1 8.50 - 2nd ODI vs Newzealand in 2015 - Napier

7.3 0 44 0 5.86 - 1st ODI vs Newzealand in 2015 - Wellington

5 0 31 1 6.20 - Pakistan vs Australia Quarter final 2015 - Adelaide

Hardly any performance worth noting

Not a bowler you can rely on in the ODI's. No death bowling, no pace. Not to mention his shoddy fielding and his performance against Australia was for everyone to see. Nothing bowler in limited overs cricket. Thanks but no thanks! We have plenty of trundlers already.
Sohail tanvir has more guile and variations than this guy. He might even be a better fielder than him.

Umm, that's what I'm saying. He is a bowler for the longer formats. He was selected for 50-over matches based on his FC performances, which is dumb. And he isn't a trundler, unless according to you trundlers can bowl 140kph.
 
Umm, that's what I'm saying. He is a bowler for the longer formats. He was selected for 50-over matches based on his FC performances, which is dumb. And he isn't a trundler, unless according to you trundlers can bowl 140kph.

got 3 test matches ie LONGER FORMAT and FAILED
 
got 3 test matches ie LONGER FORMAT and FAILED

Oh well, I guess his career is over then. 3 Test matches is enough to judge his potential. 3 Tests across 3 years for a 22 year old. Are you for real? Waqar and Steyn averaged >50 after 3 Tests.

Shoaib after 8 matches: Average 44.
IK after 9 matches: Average 44.
McGrath after 8 matches: Average 44.
Warne after 9 matches: Average 50.
Marshall after 6 matches: Average 49.

The selectors aren't the brightest, but I really do thank God that you aren't one of them. :inti
 
before that match rahat ali already played against SA and other teams to perform in the crunch games... this guy was used only after irfan got injured and couldnt play.. before that he played one game in NZL series and a warmup game and then straight into semifinal... indeed he got the important breakthrough of steve smith who was taking the game away from pak reach and got back pak into the game...

Thats clutching at straws. It was not a semi final. It was a quarter final. He was training in the nets, played two warm up games in NZ. Played 2 games against NZ in NZ which we both lost. Then played one game against Ireland where he also dropped a dolly. So all this concerns about him being underprepared, or underpractice are ridiculous to the highest degree.
 
Umm, that's what I'm saying. He is a bowler for the longer formats. He was selected for 50-over matches based on his FC performances, which is dumb. And he isn't a trundler, unless according to you trundlers can bowl 140kph.

I saw him for atleast 4 games last year during the world cup. Hardly ever crossed 135.
 
Potential is there, and ehsan should be given a longer rope specially in the longer format
 
Oh well, I guess his career is over then. 3 Test matches is enough to judge his potential. 3 Tests across 3 years for a 22 year old. Are you for real? Waqar and Steyn averaged >50 after 3 Tests.

Shoaib after 8 matches: Average 44.
IK after 9 matches: Average 44.
McGrath after 8 matches: Average 44.
Warne after 9 matches: Average 50.
Marshall after 6 matches: Average 49.

The selectors aren't the brightest, but I really do thank God that you aren't one of them. :inti

akhtar had pace.......extreme pace

ik came back to team after like 5 yrs ofdebut

marshall did a comeback after a while

warne is a spinner

mcgrath showed some promise

wrong answer once again

your posts wont be entertained for replies on this thread any more
 
akhtar had pace.......extreme pace

ik came back to team after like 5 yrs ofdebut

marshall did a comeback after a while

warne is a spinner

mcgrath showed some promise

wrong answer once again

your posts wont be entertained for replies on this thread any more

:facepalm: Hindsight is a blessing.
 
People compare Ehsan Adil of today with their memories of Ehsan Adil of South Africa tour where he was medium fast.

The thing is that after his first comeback to Pakistan team vs new Zealand in dubai in test cricket Ehsan in his second test had become fast medium and his average speed was 84 , 85 mph with fastest 89mph.

Than against Srilanka in his 3rd test his average speed was 84.1 mph with fastest 88.2 mph.

Ehsan's 2nd last odi was against Ireland in worldcup his average speed was 85.2mph and fastest was 88.9mph and in his last odi against Australia in worldcup he had average speed of 84.5mph and fastest 88.6mph.


Now let me tell you why people are confusing his speeds and saying he has quickened.

In his debut test in south Africa Ehsan Adil had an Average speed of 80.7 mph and fastest was 83.9mph. In the sane test Irfan and Rahat clocked 91 mph and Irfan's average speed was 85.5 whereas Rahat's average speed was 84.3mph.


So to sum up Ehsan on his debut was medium fast who bowled at average speed of 81mph and fastest bowl of 84 mph.

Whereas vs new Zealand in 2014 and vs srilanka in 2015 in tests his average speed was 84 , 85 mph with fastest of 88. While in worldcup his average speed was 85 and fastest was 89.2 mph.


In this final of QEA TROPHY Ehsan has achieved the same top speed of 143 , 144 kph with an average speed of 135 , 136 kph. Which is Fast Medium. Where you can say that in his first spell he was bowling at an average speed of 85 , 86 mph with fastest seed of 89 mph.

These are the same speeds at which he has bowled in his last 2 tests and in his last 2 odis.

I don't know whether you have read all the comments regarding him or not in both match thread and this thread. The fastest anybody has mentioned him is 90MPH with average speed of 86mph in his first spell.

Yes he is 5 kph quicker in his peak pace and 4 mph quicker in his average pace compared to his test debut of 2013 and is fast medium but no change at all in his pace than what we saw him last In international cricket.


The good improvements are that he is much upright in delivery stride than before. Action is more smooth now and follow through has improved. Pace is Same.
 
The good improvements are that he is much upright in delivery stride than before. Action is more smooth now and follow through has improved. Pace is Same.

But but, he has failed in 3 Tests and is rubbish. Who cares if he is only 22 years old and has exhibited signs of improvement? We have all Wasims and Waqars ready in domestic and we must forget this useless trundler Adil. :23:
 
But but, he has failed in 3 Tests and is rubbish. Who cares if he is only 22 years old and has exhibited signs of improvement? We have all Wasims and Waqars ready in domestic and we must forget this useless trundler Adil. :23:


I don't rate him very highly. Like for England I would want Asif ahead of Ehsan and Imran Khan. But Ehsan isn't a bad bowler, he troubles many batsman in domestic cricket and isn't an easy bowler to face. To add to it he along with Sadaf , Imran , Sohail , Shehzad , Mir and Abbass is consistent Fc performer and wicket taker for a reason. Like 360 players play four day cricket and wrt Consistent performers these are the 7 pacers which include Ehsan.

Yes he still needs to strengthen his lower body more.

You have given excellent example of Shoaib, Marshall, McGrath, Warne & IK.

To add to that I will give a fresh example.

Kagiso Rabada :

After his first 4 test matches Rabada had these figures

4 matches 6 wickets at an average of 57 and a strike rate of 85.

After 3 test matches Rabada had taken 2 test wickets at an average of 55.5.


After 3 test matches Ehsan Adil (who has got less pace than Rabada) has taken 5 wickets at an Ave of 52.6.


Rabada in his fifth and 6th test has taken back to back fifers.


Ehsan Adil isn't a trundler. He is fast medium bowler and you cannot write him off after 3 test matches. He has 13 four wicket and 8 five wickets haul and averages 20 with a SR of 38 in Fc cricket for a reason.
 
Ehsan Adil isn't a trundler. He is fast medium bowler and you cannot write him off after 3 test matches. He has 13 four wicket and 8 five wickets haul and averages 20 with a SR of 38 in Fc cricket for a reason.

Exactly my point. No one is saying that he is the next coming of McGrath. But it is ridiculous to judge him after 3 matches and say that he is useless and should never play again.
 
I don't rate him very highly. Like for England I would want Asif ahead of Ehsan and Imran Khan. But Ehsan isn't a bad bowler, he troubles many batsman in domestic cricket and isn't an easy bowler to face. To add to it he along with Sadaf , Imran , Sohail , Shehzad , Mir and Abbass is consistent Fc performer and wicket taker for a reason. Like 360 players play four day cricket and wrt Consistent performers these are the 7 pacers which include Ehsan.

Yes he still needs to strengthen his lower body more.

You have given excellent example of Shoaib, Marshall, McGrath, Warne & IK.

To add to that I will give a fresh example.

Kagiso Rabada :

After his first 4 test matches Rabada had these figures

4 matches 6 wickets at an average of 57 and a strike rate of 85.

After 3 test matches Rabada had taken 2 test wickets at an average of 55.5.


After 3 test matches Ehsan Adil (who has got less pace than Rabada) has taken 5 wickets at an Ave of 52.6.


Rabada in his fifth and 6th test has taken back to back fifers.


Ehsan Adil isn't a trundler. He is fast medium bowler and you cannot write him off after 3 test matches. He has 13 four wicket and 8 five wickets haul and averages 20 with a SR of 38 in Fc cricket for a reason.

Ok here is the thing

ehsan adil is 22 while other bowlers are in 25 to 30 years range. They should be given chance first and ehsan adil should be given chance in pak a after those others get their chance

how about that?

see, you say ehsan adil is a long format bowler, so abbas and sadaf are also better bowlers in longer format(though sadaf hussain looks good in shorter formats too) so here again issue is that ehsan adil is given chance again and again while actually sadaf should have been selected
 
One more talent will be wasted since our system is bad... And supporters who dont have any knowledge about cricket start to talk bad about players
 
Ok here is the thing

ehsan adil is 22 while other bowlers are in 25 to 30 years range. They should be given chance first and ehsan adil should be given chance in pak a after those others get their chance

how about that?

see, you say ehsan adil is a long format bowler, so abbas and sadaf are also better bowlers in longer format(though sadaf hussain looks good in shorter formats too) so here again issue is that ehsan adil is given chance again and again while actually sadaf should have been selected


I have repeated this thing many times but for you I shall repeat it one more time.


After not getting a game on the tour of West indies the most favourable tour for selection for Sadaf were South Africa and Zimbanwe tours. As a selector I would have wanted sadaf to debut not in UAE but in South Africa or Zimbabwe and than if he performed well which he possibly would have than would have selected him for srilanka test tour and than UAE. When he would have been among the wickets in south Africa Zimbabwe and Srilanka than him not taking many wickets would have been taken not much negatively but with a perspective of wickets being flat and non supportive for pacers.

Now what happened in Sadaf's case ?

In 2011-2012 season he was amongst top wicket takers and everyone was seeing him as a prospect for the tour of South Africa in january 2013 and he was in selectors radar.

The domestic cricket structure changed before the 2012-2013 season with regions playing quaid e azam trophy and Departments playing President's trophy.

Now every reader should read carefully.

Sadaf gets approached by 2 departments to play President's trophy and he says No to them saying that I want to focus on playing regional cricket for rawalpindi. By than he had taken 148 Fc wickets.


It was a disastrous choice made by Sadaf hussain not only financially but professionally aswell.

He knew that departmental cricket is more competitive and has more value. He knew that President trophy will start first and will finish before pakistan squad for SA will be announced. He knew that by the time pakistan squad for SA will be announced he would have played only 2 FC games for rawalpindi whereas those bowlers playing Departmental cricket would have played 8 to 10 Fc games by that time.

When Pakistan team for SA got announced by than Sadaf hussain had played 2 FC games for rawalpindi and had taken 15 wickets whereas Ehsan Adil had played 10 Fc games and had taken 54 wickets with Imran Khan 9 matches 50 , Aizaz Cheema 9 matches 46 , Tanveer Ahmed 8 matches 38 , Rahat Ali 7 matches 28 and Mohammad 7 matches Irfan 28 wickets.

Before these 2 FC games sadaf had last played domestic cricket 6 months ago in fifty overs tournament.


Now which selection committee or selectors would pick a test squad by ignoring 6 fast bowlers who have played 8+ Fc matches in current season and pick the one wo has just played 2 FC matches ?

At that time only Tanvir Ahmed had played test cricket (2 tests) while Aizaz , Rahat , Ehsan , Imran , Irfan had not played any Int cricket and had never been picked for Pakistan.

Because Sadaf had gone to West Indies and had been selected for Pakistan previously so he would have been preferred by selectors ahead of Ehsan , Imran , Rahat , Irfan and Aizaz had he been amongst top wicket takers which he would have had he played for department side in President's trophy.

Selectors picked Irfan , Ehsan & Rahat 3 youngsters for SA tour along with Tanveer. Rahat & Irfan preferred over Aizaz and Imran because of having more pace and Ehsan was highest wicket taker amongst all pacers.

When Irfan , Rahat , Ehsan , Aizaz , Tanveer , Imran opted for departmental cricket ahead of their regions than why Sadaf rejected departmental cricket and opted for Regional cricket ? Before thay season Ehsan and Irfan had not played any FC cricket and had 0 wickets. Rahay had 40 whereas Sadaf had 148 Fc wickets.

From there careers of Ehsan and Rahat Begun ahead of Sadaf Hussain. That was a terrible blunder by Sadaf.

Than Sadaf plays 5 Fc games for Rawalpindi and gets 25 wickets and misses four games for rawalpindi because of getting injured. Hence he was at number 13 in top wickets takers list of QEA TROPHY and around 20 bowlers were ahead of him in President's trophy. So 33 bowlers ahead of him that season so how would the selectors have considered him for next test tour ?


If it was Sabih Azhar coach of Rawalpindi who asked Sadaf to reject departmental cricket offer than Sadaf should have got sense himself to know what he should decide and should have accepted department cricket offer because with 148 Fc wickets at 17 he would have been in playing eleven of any departmental team and would not have been benched. And since president trophy started first so Sadaf would not have had 7 months lay off and had he not got unfit I have no doubts at all that he would have taken more wickets than Ehsan Adil and would have gone to SA with Irfan or Ehsan missing out on selection.

I am Sadaf's fan but if I am selector I won't give Sadaf hussain test debut on Abu Dhabi flat slow deck (Phatta) where if he doesn't get more than 2 wickets than he will be dropped and made 1 test wonder like ayub Dogar, Irfan fazil , Riaz Afridi, Farhan Adil , Bazid Khan and Yasir Ali.
 
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another day and another below average performance
six overs 37 for 1



talentspotter plz do not quote me, its just a heads up
 
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another day and another below average performance
six overs 37 for 1



talentspotter plz do not quote me, its just a heads up

I always believed he is not for ODI cricket. His second spell is always the most concerning with the older ball.
 
He is more of a 5-day bowler than a LO bowler, yet he is picked for LOs. And then he bowls as 2nd change. In UAE. This is what happens when you select a player on the basis of his performance in another format.
 
He was bowling 125k thunderbolts on his debut. Then his performance in uae and Lanka was also bad.

In first 2 matches against eng lions, his performance was once again very average.

Why is he given so many chances. He literally has nothing to offer.

Can't PCB give chances to other bowlers. Eg mir hamza etc(I m not expecting much from him too) At least he might not be that bad as ehsan Adil is.Or someone else who deserves a chance.

Most astonishing fact about ehsan Adil is that we have ppers who still support him.

I mean seriously!!!


Here is a realllllly good reason to give Ehsan chance...not just chance but a long run. These are the numbers of someone who (now it is matter of time) will get recalled and deprive Adil of chance because he is a proven senior.

A senior who has taken 5 wickets in last 11 inning he has bowled in.
0/56
0/32
0/41
1/33
0/50
0/31
0/18
3/9
0/32
1/40
0/23
 
I hope people are seeing the light now. He's one of the most mediocre and rubbish 'pacers' we've produced.

Anyways, it's a shame to even call him a pacer because he trundles with no movement.
 
I hope people are seeing the light now. He's one of the most mediocre and rubbish 'pacers' we've produced.

Anyways, it's a shame to even call him a pacer because he trundles with no movement.

but but but, he is TALL. He has lots of promise. He is also in good books of pp reputed members...........who claim to have an eye for talent
 
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but but but, he is TALL. He has lots of promise. He is also in good books of pp reputed members...........who claim to have an eye for talent
Well said , Ehsan Adil

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He has been below average recently and yet some very respected members are still supporting him.

beats me!!
 
Ehsan ? Still I have same POV. If he can Improve his Fitness He will be a Very Good Fast Bowler if not Excellent.


If He does not Improve his Fitness than He will struggle at Int Level. Won't be Consistent, Won't play Regularly.


His Strongest Format can be Test Cricket but His First Spell is Fast and great but with 2nd,3rd, 4th spells He regresses in speed, bounce, accuracy. All because of Poor Legs mainly and Poor Shoulders, Back and Arms Strength.


God Knows why He does not Opt for Right training and Right Nutrition. He can Afford easily.
 
He has been below average recently and yet some very respected members are still supporting him.

beats me!!

He's our steven finn.

we need tall, quick right arm express pace bowlers and Ehsan fits the bill but just doesn't happen for him regularly

Also his body hasn't really changed in the last 5 years, i expected him to work on his strength alot more and really use his body to increase his pace.
 
He is one of the best right arm bowlers in Pak right now. His pace is increased..140 + now. He swings the new ball. reverses the old one. generate good bounce. What else u want in a bowler ???
 
Horses for courses.

Would have been the ideal bowler at gabba.

Another player not being managed properly.
 
I agree. He is exactly the sort of bowler that would have done well here. Right handed, tall and consistent with his line and length. Ehsan really should be in the squad and should be identified as a bouncy and seam track specialist. Would have been handy in NZ as well. He also has the potential to succeed in the UAE.

Cricket in general and Pakistan cricket in particular underestimate the value of specialists. I feel cricket has a lot more room for picking players for a specific place or condition especially bowlers.
 
He's lost the plot this season. Struggling to even make the HBL side. Really don't know what's happened.
 
Don't want this trundler any where near the team. He was giving chances in NZ and England where he failed miserably.
 
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