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England finish Day 2 on 92/4 in response to Pakistan’s first-innings total of 326

Shadab needs to develop the ability to leave the ball, will do his batting wonders. He's a decent enough strokemaker
 
Shadab should play his natural game wherever possible. Not easy to stick around
 
A decent 50 runs partnership can do wonders here.
 
Titan24 said:
Eng are coming off proper test cricket against WI, I think Pak batting will improve as the series progresses.
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This is undoubtedly true. Inter squad games are no substitute for competitive representative cricket. Allied with conditions meant odds were always against Pakistan.
To be fair, they have done a lot better so far than I thought they would
 
The last recognized batsman on the crease in Shan Masood now.

He will have to build up some runs and partnerships with the tail if they survive.
 
Just got the activation email guys, so first post here :)

Don’t know looks quite gloomy here and the way they are bowling + cloud cover + Shadab’s technique, might just be OK if he swings at a few. Just needs to swing properly instead of doing so half-heartedly.
 
I wouldn't give it to England bowlers much here, yesterday's interruption gave them an absolutely desperate break for them. They were getting thrashed.

For Pakistan it's been two Sessions surviving out of the three sessions played and can't absolutely criticize Pakistan for that.

Hard conditions + top class bowlers+ interruption has us here.
 
Bess almost got Shan yesterday, surprised he hasnt been tried against him for a over or too. Yes ball is moving around but, Shan has looked solid against pace so far.
 
I don't care whether people call it a defensive strategy - Pakistan need six specialist batsmen. With passengers like Azhar, Shafiq and Rizwan you ain't putting runs on the board in these conditions otherwise.
 
Markhor said:
I don't care whether people call it a defensive strategy - Pakistan need six specialist batsmen. With passengers like Azhar, Shafiq and Rizwan you ain't putting runs on the board in these conditions otherwise.
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I think they went with Shadab because he scored runs in similar range to potential no 6 batsmen. I understand what you are saying though, lets see how this match goes first.
 
Shan needs to still be there when england take the new ball.
 
Titan24 said:
Bess almost got Shan yesterday, surprised he hasnt been tried against him for a over or too. Yes ball is moving around but, Shan has looked solid against pace so far.
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And Bess is here. Hopefully Shan will keep his composure.
 
Yesterdays rain break has changed the situation of the game and allowed england to regroup.
 
Shaka81 said:
If Shadab plays his natural game he's more likely he'll be out slogging pretty soon. It would be foolhardy to expect him to score anything over 20 regardless.
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I dont think he has enough experience and test technique behind him to survive defending tons of balls thus my view.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Yesterdays rain break has changed the situation of the game and allowed england to regroup.
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True but, part and parcel of the game. I think if the current pair can put on a 50 run partnership Pak will be in the game.
 
A lot of spin and bounce in the second day itself. Good call by Pak management considering this.
 
That Bess over shows there is both spin and bounce in the wicket.
If there were runs on the board then the leggier would be a handful in the 2nd innings.
But Pakistan will not get enough runs so will be irrelevant
 
Shan Masood is the first Pakistan opener to face 200+ balls in a Test innings in England since Saeed Anwar at the Oval in 1996.
 
40 odd for 3 in the morning of the second day is better than the morning on the first day atleast.
 
Day 2 - Lunch

PAK 187/5 (75.0), CRR: 2.49

Masood 77* (225)
Shadab 1* (14)

Woakes 15 - 5 - 28 - 2
Broad 16 - 8 - 28 - 1

Min. Overs Remaining: 72.0
 
Pakistan are five down for 176. They've lost three wickets for 37 runs so far today
 
King_Kohli said:
Shan Masood is the first Pakistan opener to face 200+ balls in a Test innings in England since Saeed Anwar at the Oval in 1996.
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Thanks for sharing such stats. Solid stuff from Shan.
 
gibsyhesperis said:
That Bess over shows there is both spin and bounce in the wicket.
If there were runs on the board then the leggier would be a handful in the 2nd innings.
But Pakistan will not get enough runs so will be irrelevant
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Wicket is already taking sharp spin , 250 could be a good first inning score with 2 leggies
 
Go easy on wrist guys. Terrific bowling under favourable conditions by English bowlers
There is a lot for bowlers here and the last over before lunch I could see ball turning
sqaure and jumping.

Keep breathing this match might go down the wire
 
Pakistan on top at lunch. Another 20-30 runs and England will be playing catch up.

The batsmen have looked assured in the main.
 
How are people criticizing the selection of 2 spinners? Pakistan have not bowled yet. How about wait for the next innings before commenting?
 
Pakistan need to get 240 and they are in the game thiers swing and spin and bounce 4the ininings will be tough for England
 
Younis and Misbah need to have a word at lunch. 260-270 is disappointing given the platform set on Day 1 but it gives the bowlers a chance.

Day 3 and 4 look the best time to bat with hot weather forecast. Get England out before stumps tomorrow and get a good score the second dig.

Batting last in Manchester is never easy so don't lose hope.
 
Pakistan should try their best to reach 250+. This pitch is bowling friendly with plenty of bounce, seam and spin. We need to be patient. This session was tougher than yesterday because of lateral movement and good bowling.
 
Bess is a finger spinner and he literally squared up Shan in the first session today. If Shan and Shadab can put on a decent partnership and Pak goes achieves something around 250 or plus Yasir and Shadab will be in the game.
 
really really impressed with Masood. this is what Ive been waiting for from a pakistani opener. I just wish we had an in form azhar available. Such bad luck he has lost form so badly. we really need another batsman in the middle order.

we currently have two batsmen in babar and Shaan. Maybe abid but he's an opener and they can be vulnerable early. Asad who i have supported for years has really let us down. Such talent but mentally weak. very sad to see him not step up today.
 
Got to work .. not surprised or shocked. Typical Pakistani batting capitulation.


What's worse is that Shadab the tailender is coming in at 7. Yasir is himself not much of a batsman. Then we have three number 11s. Alhumdullilah.




Misbah ke liyay ikhees toppon ki salaami.
 
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the Great Khan said:
really really impressed with Masood. this is what Ive been waiting for from a pakistani opener. I just wish we had an in form azhar available. Such bad luck he has lost form so badly. we really need another batsman in the middle order.

we currently have two batsmen in babar and Shaan. Maybe abid but he's an opener and they can be vulnerable early. Asad who i have supported for years has really let us down. Such talent but mentally weak. very sad to see him not step up today.
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Seems like he seems one ball moving away from him and then bottles it
 
Given the forecast for days 3/4, the exposure the batting has had this innings, might not be a bad idea to think of posting a score worth chasing in 4th innings during the first innings today and look to match the score of ENG’s 1st innings in our 2nd innings.

Think someone else also alluded to thinking along these lines?
 
New ball is due in 5 overs, and Pakistan's have one of the worst tail's in recent memory.
Even the current pair isn't exactly dominating, just barely surviving. 250 seems like a pipe dream.

From this point, 220 would be a major accomplishment
 
I would back the guys to get some 70 odd but with new ball just around means it's unrealistic.lets hope Masood takes care of it and we get 40 odd.
230 is what looks like we might get.but if somehow they get more we will be in the game.
Anything above 260 and we are in it.
 
castortroy said:
Seriously how can you play 2 leg spinners on this track
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Bess bowled just one over before the break but he found appreciable turn straight away, to back up BUMBLE's earlier comments about Pakistan's selection...

"It's a drier pitch than we saw against West Indies - it's firmer as well - so not only is it spinning but off the pitch it is bouncing too.

"This pitch isn't going to go lower. As this game progresses, I think it is going to be fascinating to see how England cope with two leg-spinners."
 
coy0607 said:
New ball is due in 5 overs, and Pakistan's have one of the worst tail's in recent memory.
Even the current pair isn't exactly dominating, just barely surviving. 250 seems like a pipe dream.

From this point, 220 would be a major accomplishment
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This innings has never been easy for batsman. Conditions too favourable for England particularly with these sort of events taking place for them at crucial times.
 
Yk313 said:
Given the forecast for days 3/4, the exposure the batting has had this innings, might not be a bad idea to think of posting a score worth chasing in 4th innings during the first innings today and look to match the score of ENG’s 1st innings in our 2nd innings.

Think someone else also alluded to thinking along these lines?
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Yes that's what I mentioned above. Not reaching 300 after the platform we set on Day 1 is disappointing but not a disaster if we go big in 2nd innings in flat, hot conditions that are forecasted.

Then England will have a tricky Day 5 on a surface taking turn.

However we'll need to bowl well in England's 1st innings. Hope our guys don't get carried away by the bounce.
 
Markhor said:
Yes that's what I mentioned above. Not reaching 300 after the platform we set on Day 1 is disappointing but not a disaster if we go big in 2nd innings in flat, hot conditions that are forecasted.

Then England will have a tricky Day 5 on a surface taking turn.

However we'll need to bowl well in England's 1st innings. Hope our guys don't get carried away by the bounce.
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I think if they can manage 250 they'll be in the game given that the pitch even now is pretty quick and bouncy.
 
300 would be a such a good score here mainly because Anderson & Broad in these conditions with Woakes & Archer for backup is a hell of an attack.

Attacking Bess and the new ball are the only way we can think of 300. Shan might have to carry his bat for that. Interestingly, Bess has got turn and bounce on day 2 so the ENG 2nd innings on 4th/5th day will be very intriguing.
 
Yk313 said:
Given the forecast for days 3/4, the exposure the batting has had this innings, might not be a bad idea to think of posting a score worth chasing in 4th innings during the first innings today and look to match the score of ENG’s 1st innings in our 2nd innings.

Think someone else also alluded to thinking along these lines?
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Exactly. I said this before the start of the test match in the other pp forum. I know one or two other people who said it too in different other pp forums. That is why 250+ score is necessary.
 
MenInG said:
Bess bowled just one over before the break but he found appreciable turn straight away, to back up BUMBLE's earlier comments about Pakistan's selection...

"It's a drier pitch than we saw against West Indies - it's firmer as well - so not only is it spinning but off the pitch it is bouncing too.

"This pitch isn't going to go lower. As this game progresses, I think it is going to be fascinating to see how England cope with two leg-spinners."
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gotta listen closely to what Was,athers and bumble are saying about the pitch. They know the conditions like the back of their hands.

Turn and bounce is heaven for good leg spinners. But can our lot do the business? can yasir bowl smartly and shadab lower his pace? I really want to see our spinners rip through them!! Im not convinced they play spin at all so if we can get em in and tuk tukking around with men around the bat..i would love that.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
300 would be a such a good score here mainly because Anderson & Broad in these conditions with Woakes & Archer for backup is a hell of an attack.

Attacking Bess and the new ball are the only way we can think of 300. Shan might have to carry his bat for that. Interestingly, Bess has got turn and bounce on day 2 so the ENG 2nd innings on 4th/5th day will be very intriguing.
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dont think we'll get to 300. 220 is more realistic.
 
So far i've been accurate on 70 odd percent. Before the test started i said Shan Maqsood is a good front foot player but he displayed good back foot technique inthe saf series. He has improved, he needs to improve more onplaying balls closed tohis body...but i backed him to score and score big-he's delivered.
2)I felt BA would score massive in eng - he's done this.He will be in top 3 very soon.
3) i said where it seams, it will take spin. This wicket will take spin on4th day however i donot know much about Shadeab as a batsman oras a bowler, dont you guys have a decent offie or LH bowler? However, if you guys get 325 the pressure will be on Eng and eng aint that hot if you take out root, stokes and possibly butler, the rest are bog average and they have a long tail
4) Pak will reverse it better, ma should find conditions to his liking and will be a massive threat in first innings, NS's has extra pace, Eng aint that hot against left arm pace either - that brings SSA ion play...but the main threat are the two legies on a dry pitch...i'd back yassir to get a big haul
 
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Markhor said:
Yes that's what I mentioned above. Not reaching 300 after the platform we set on Day 1 is disappointing but not a disaster if we go big in 2nd innings in flat, hot conditions that are forecasted.

Then England will have a tricky Day 5 on a surface taking turn.

However we'll need to bowl well in England's 1st innings. Hope our guys don't get carried away by the bounce.
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Agreed sir. Your point about about bounce is quite valid. Another “delightful” memory is of Misbah and later Azhar setting pathetic fields when leggies bowl. God I hope they know how to use YK and SK.
 
First target 200 in around 80 overs without any loss of further
wickets. New ball will lead to wickets but the hard ball can cause some flow of runs behind the bat. Need some lucky runs.
 
Poor tactics from England. Should look to score as much as possible before the second new ball
 
Yk313 said:
SK seems to have come out with a brief? Watchu guys reckon?
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If its to attack I agree, he needs to play they way he is more confident. I am not sure if his technique at the moment is good enough to keep on defending.
 
Need to utilize these 4 overs before the new ball well.
 
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