What's new

England v Pakistan | 3rd Test | Birmingham | Aug 3-7, 2016 | Pre-Match Discussion

Status
Not open for further replies.
super hitter

super hitter

First Class Star
Joined
Feb 27, 2014
Runs
3,204
After a terrible performance in the second test; a lot of replacements are probably going to be made.

the probable replacements could be i.e

1)sami aslam for shan masood
2)Zulfiqar babar or imran khan for wahab riaz

but the ideal one's should be;

1)Sohail Khan for Rahat Ali
2)Sami Aslam for Shan Masood
3)M.Rizwan for M.Hafeez

As far as I think, rain stops the play in Birmingham quite often, and we need to go into the match with quite an attacking strategy to create a winning scenario.
 
Sami Aslam for Shan if he performs in warm up
And Imran Khan for rahat

Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk
 
Babar for Shan in the middle order with Azhar opening. Hasan Ali or Sohail Khan for Wahab/Rahat
 
Shan Masood needs to be dropped and one of wahab/Rahat needs to be dropped.

Issue is, the replacements aren't going to be better and you wonder whether you should give this current team another go seeming they
have played 2 tests and getting use to the conditions
 
Sami Aslam, Iftikhar Ahmed, M.Rizwan, Imran Khan Should Be Selected Ahead Of Shan Masood, Azhar Ali, Sarfraz Ahmed And Rahat Ali Respectively
 
I'd probably opt for the below although its highly unlikely - Imran though, I don't understand some of the hesitancy...think he can do well.

Hafeez (if he can bowl)
Azhar
Shafiq
Younis
Babar
Misbah
Sarfraz
Yasir
Amir
Wahab
Imran
 
PCB don't have the guys to make major changes.
 
Shan masood , rahat ali and wahab riaz .
Bring in a batsman and two right arm seamers .
 
Wahab completely over rated and at least one if not both openers need to be replaced but I can see them keeping hafeez especially if he passes his bowling test in the next few weeks.
 
Shehzad is the only solution. Selectors can't just keep ignoring him. Give him enough chance and he'll eventually deliver.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Im not the only one. Majority of the people who want someone from the A squad want Babar. Saud isnt ready ye though I rate him very highly.
Click to expand...

Listen, ali. Babar cannot survive at opener position. He cannot handle the moving ball. Its better for him to stay in the middle order. As his fan, you should know this better. I like babar too but he is increasingly becoming the next umar akmal in hype terms. Its rather ironic that he is his cousin too.
 
Make Hafeez pass his test and bat him at 6 or 7.

Azhar to open the innings with Sami Aslam, everybody else moves up one spot. Wahab Riaz given one final match. Lulloo Ali dropped for Sohail Khan/Hasan Ali (hopefully Inzi selects Hasan)
 
No change - you don't change your losing combination.
 
Ne interesting to see who England pick if Stokes is out injured. Mark Wood back into contention perhaps?
 
Hafeez
Azhar
Asad
Younus
Misbah
Sami/Babar if he's added to the squad
Yasir
Amir
Wahab
Imran.
 
Worse part is the other players in the squad are worse than the ones in the team :facepalm:
 
MMHS said:
No change - you don't change your losing combination.
Click to expand...

man seriously, you've proved it that you have got a good cricket brain in you! was waiting for such a response cause I think that instead of retaining winning XI after winning, it is better to retain loosing XI after loosing and specially in a time like this where the conditions are pretty difficult to adapt with and you don't have good replacements,

however, on the other hand, I guess we are going to see a the rain interpreting the match cause this time its Birmingham and therefore I need some aggressive part to be played by our side.
 
Sohail khan in for Rahat
Imran in for Wahab
Sami in for Hafeez
Rizwan in for Masood

and this is about time Asad moves to no. 3

Rizwan
Sami Aslam
Asad
Azhar
Younus
Misbah
Sarfraz
Amir
Yasir
Sohail khan
Imran Khan
 
Syed1 said:
Make Hafeez pass his test and bat him at 6 or 7.

Azhar to open the innings with Sami Aslam, everybody else moves up one spot. Wahab Riaz given one final match. Lulloo Ali dropped for Sohail Khan/Hasan Ali (hopefully Inzi selects Hasan)
Click to expand...

Even if hafeez passes test he wont be available for 3rd match. It starts in about 9 days and I think it takes 14 days to get the result
 
They need fifth bowling option so Shan goes and Azhar moves up, iftikhar comes in place in middle order.
Ideally I want to throw out hafeez but that won't happen yet.
Move Asad up (hide younis somewhere else)
And only one of Wahab and Rahat to play.
 
Given that Masood scored a "gutsy" 30 odd, I don't think he will be replaced. Hafeez made a good 40 odd, so no removing of him either. Younis Khan and Azhar Ali are the most likely. Then again, Younis will never be removed and Azhar Ali is Misbahs man, plus, he also comes with a part time leg spinning option. This would mean, the only change would be Imran Khan in for Rahat Ali or Wahab Riaz. If the pitch is rough, and helps reverse swing, Rahat will be replaced. If it doesn't, clearly Wahab.

But, in a utopia, assuming Mickey Arthur makes some radical decisions.

This is the likeliest,

1. Hafeez
2. Shan Masood
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Younis Khan
5. Misbah Ul Haq
6. Babar Azam
7. Sarfaraz Ahamed
8. Mohd Amir
9. Yasir Shah
10. Imran Khan
11. Wahab Riaz / Rahat Ali
 
Biggest mistake would be asad at 1 down.
One of Rahat n wahab needs to go and shan needs to go
 
I guess Shan would be making way for somebody, maybe Sami but rest wouldn't changed.

In bowling, perhaps Rahat/Wahab would make way for Imran/Sohail.
 
If we can add players to the squad this would be my lineup
1. Hafeez
2. Jaahid Ali
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Younis Khan
5. Misbah Ul Haq (C)
6. Babar Azam/ Azhar Ali/ Saud Shakeel
7. Sarfraz Ahmed (WK)
8. Amir
9. Yasir Shah
10. Hasan Ali
11. Rahat Ali

I'm not sure who should be at the number 6 slot between Azhar, Babar, and Saud. Although this side would be much better than the one we played in this match. Jaahid Ali has scored a hundred against England Lions plus he has played the new ball really well in the tests than attacked against the old. Asad has to move up the order so he can go on to score big hundreds. I think Hasan Ali should be brought in because he can bat and is a very good bowler. So that's only 2/3 player changes along with a changed batting order which could make them a stronger team.
 
As I said in the match report thread - we are carrying a number of players at the moment, namely Hafeez, Masood, Azhar who looks susceptible to full, inswinging deliveries, a 38 year old Younis Khan whose reflexes have slowed, and two sprayguns in Rahat and Wahab. You cannot win Test matches overseas when so many players are out of nick.

I also worry about the fact our two best batsmen - Misbah and Shafiq - are batting at 5 and 6. This makes the batting order too lopsided and makes these two come into a crisis every time. They can't keep bailing us out from 60-4.

Azhar should open as his tuk tukking will be more appropriate when blunting the new ball, Shafiq to 3, and Babar Azam should be called up from the A squad to bat at 6, with Shan Masood being dropped. Hopefully Hafeez can pass his bowling test as he can make a big difference as a 5th bowlers and will relieve the pressure on Yasir.
 
Younis Khan keeps giving his wicket away when he wants to play and concentrate he can so let down by him.

Rahat Ali if can't bowl wide of the crease should be dropped for Imran Khan....

Shan Masood is good for the future but needs to be dropped.......for Rizwan?
Hafeez for anybody else after his contributions so far.....unless he can bowl.

Players should be selected who give 100% in all situations so these are the changes I would make.
 
super hitter said:
After a terrible performance in the second test; a lot of replacements are probably going to be made.

the probable replacements could be i.e

1)sami aslam for shan masood
2)Zulfiqar babar or imran khan for wahab riaz

but the ideal one's should be;

1)Sohail Khan for Rahat Ali
2)Sami Aslam for Shan Masood
3)M.Rizwan for M.Hafeez

As far as I think, rain stops the play in Birmingham quite often, and we need to go into the match with quite an attacking strategy to create a winning scenario.
Click to expand...

Apart from rahat, the players you named need to be replaced. Unfortunately, the replacements are just as bad or worse!
Also, azhar and younis need to be replaced but theres no more players in the squad to replace them with.
I fully expected this when i saw the squad, but people were too busy congratulating inzi for getting rid of shezzie and umar to realise what a rubbish squad inzi selected!
 
What are the conditions gonna be like in the next test match? Seaming? Swinging? Spinning? Reversing?
 
Edgbaston will be pretty flat. Hampshire scored 500+ there in the latest FC game.
 
Couple of things to note. We have never won a test at Edgbaston. England rarely lose there recently against all comers.

It suits bowlers who kiss the surface so Imran and possibly Sohail are good choices.
 
So after 2 test Where we are?

Good

1. Yasir Shah helped us win the lord test, out of nowhere...

2. Misbah, despite 42 years old, has surpass my expectation. He has batted better than most...Giving two wickets to Moeen in 4 innings spoiled lot of good work done by old man though.

Bad

1. Amir's length and form. So much was expected from him, but he did not land the ball right. Half the series is gone, so far not seen a single Jaffa delivery from him...Wickets are not exactly seam/swing heaven, but he should have done much better... This series was billed after him, he is a no show thus far...

2. Rahat has bowled some good deliveries, but he bowls too many rubbish balls. Wahab was not able to do anything besides one spell...

Ugly


1. We never had openers, well since the dawn of Pakistan. But our number 3 and 4 never looked this ugly, one falls over on full length worse than no 11, other does skip dance, never seen before on cricket pitch :facepalm: Why Azhar is loosing his balance so badly?? - There is no swing or late movement, its just regular full length ball...

2. YK's skip dance: That was one of the most ugly thing to see on 1080P, with Dolby surround sound on my TV in ages, specially from a 50+ avg guy, the highest run getter from Pakistan. Is he doing that in nets as well?? - How long he has being doing that?? - His age is showing up is an understatement, you can be super-fit, but reflexes is another thing!!! - How to hide him is a big question.

With these top 4, there is no hope of us beating English School Team forget about their national team.

Changes

There are two matches before next test, its time to think about bringing Babar and Hasan Ali in test team, play them in two side matches and see if they can balance the team a bit.

There are few changes which are definite, Shaun has to go, no need of another opener, problem is we have selected much worse players on the bench...Ifthakar/Sami don't inspire anybody. Can you bring Babar and Hasan Ali from A team? - Not sure how realistic is that considering most of the failed batsmen are playing for long time...

Even with what we got the batting order should be:

1. Azhar
2. Hafeez
3. Shafiq/Babar
4. Misbah
5.Shafiq/Babar
6. YK
7. Sarfraz

Other big problem is playing with 4 bowlers, I am assuming Hafeez will be able to bowl in next match, With so many leftys, he can be handy somewhat...We are going to get some bowlers injured at this rate for sure :(

If Hasan cannot play, Imran should play in place of Rahat/Wahab(one of them will still play depending upon conditions, seem friendly(Rahat) or bounce and reverse(Wahab)...
 
I don't expect much changes. They might drop Masood but Hafeez'll keep his place.

Need to forget this defeat and focus on next game.

This series will be a huge learning curve for Yasir/Amir
 
Azhar
Hafeez
Rizwan/Iftikhar/Babar (if he's added)
Younis
Misbah (C)
Shafiq
Sarfraz (WK)
Yasir
Wahab
Amir
Imran

Rahat, Shan OUT for Imran, Rizwan/Iftikhar/Babar.

This is, if things stay the way they are even after the warmup game.
 
Green top ho ya blue top humaray bowlers ne zaleel hi karwana hai..
 
I hope Warwickshire make a green mamba but I bet it will be another flattie.
 
Still remember IK's toe crusher to Micheal Clarke. We didn't bowl a single yorker in this match.. :facepalm:
 
Robert said:
I hope Warwickshire make a green mamba but I bet it will be another flattie.
Click to expand...

I hope we win the toss and make use of the conditions first, that can make it an interesting match. If we loose the toss, game will be over in two days like this one :((

Green or flat, using conditions first is only hope for men in green!!
 

Get this guy in the team Asap. Especially if you want to get Root and Vince out cheaply
 
Wonder how many kids still think Amir is the next Wasim?

Next George Best, next Ian Botham yadda yadda
 
Syed1 said:
^ dat seam placement though
Click to expand...

IK is not a dumb bowler like Rahat, he doesn't give away any freebies and make you work to score runs.

He's a very good new ball bowler and puts a shift in to keep things tight when the ball gets old. Also if its reverses he becomes absolutely deadly because he has a world class yorker. Im shocked looking at his test match stats how Rahat and Wahab got in the team infront of Imran Khan who has been our start new ball bowler in the UAE for the last 2 years.

Why would you not play him in english conditions... such a strange decision
 
Amoeba said:
Wonder how many kids still think Amir is the next Wasim?

Next George Best, next Ian Botham yadda yadda
Click to expand...

Well so far, we have seen every excuse under the sun to protect the golden boy.

English media dented his confidence, dropped catches dented his confidence, we don't have a leader in our attack who can guide him, playing three left-armers means the English batsmen are getting used to it and it is impacting Amir etc. etc. etc.
 
yasir said:
So after 2 test Where we are?

Good

1. Yasir Shah helped us win the lord test, out of nowhere...

2. Misbah, despite 42 years old, has surpass my expectation. He has batted better than most...Giving two wickets to Moeen in 4 innings spoiled lot of good work done by old man though.

Bad

1. Amir's length and form. So much was expected from him, but he did not land the ball right. Half the series is gone, so far not seen a single Jaffa delivery from him...Wickets are not exactly seam/swing heaven, but he should have done much better... This series was billed after him, he is a no show thus far...

2. Rahat has bowled some good deliveries, but he bowls too many rubbish balls. Wahab was not able to do anything besides one spell...

Ugly


1. We never had openers, well since the dawn of Pakistan. But our number 3 and 4 never looked this ugly, one falls over on full length worse than no 11, other does skip dance, never seen before on cricket pitch :facepalm: Why Azhar is loosing his balance so badly?? - There is no swing or late movement, its just regular full length ball...

2. YK's skip dance: That was one of the most ugly thing to see on 1080P, with Dolby surround sound on my TV in ages, specially from a 50+ avg guy, the highest run getter from Pakistan. Is he doing that in nets as well?? - How long he has being doing that?? - His age is showing up is an understatement, you can be super-fit, but reflexes is another thing!!! - How to hide him is a big question.

With these top 4, there is no hope of us beating English School Team forget about their national team.

Changes

There are two matches before next test, its time to think about bringing Babar and Hasan Ali in test team, play them in two side matches and see if they can balance the team a bit.

There are few changes which are definite, Shaun has to go, no need of another opener, problem is we have selected much worse players on the bench...Ifthakar/Sami don't inspire anybody. Can you bring Babar and Hasan Ali from A team? - Not sure how realistic is that considering most of the failed batsmen are playing for long time...

Even with what we got the batting order should be:

1. Azhar
2. Hafeez
3. Shafiq/Babar
4. Misbah
5.Shafiq/Babar
6. YK
7. Sarfraz

Other big problem is playing with 4 bowlers, I am assuming Hafeez will be able to bowl in next match, With so many leftys, he can be handy somewhat...We are going to get some bowlers injured at this rate for sure :(

If Hasan cannot play, Imran should play in place of Rahat/Wahab(one of them will still play depending upon conditions, seem friendly(Rahat) or bounce and reverse(Wahab)...
Click to expand...
Rahat can't extract movement off the pitch.
 
Mamoon said:
Well so far, we have seen every excuse under the sun to protect the golden boy.

English media dented his confidence, dropped catches dented his confidence, we don't have a leader in our attack who can guide him, playing three left-armers means the English batsmen are getting used to it and it is impacting Amir etc. etc. etc.
Click to expand...

Don't have any excuses but to me to see him at his best again like he was in 2010 i think he needs a good season of hard test cricket under him to build up his strength, confidence, variety of balls etc by the end of january 2017 we will know alot more about Amir then we do now.
 
yasir said:
So after 2 test Where we are?

Good

1. Yasir Shah helped us win the lord test, out of nowhere...

2. Misbah, despite 42 years old, has surpass my expectation. He has batted better than most...Giving two wickets to Moeen in 4 innings spoiled lot of good work done by old man though.

Bad

1. Amir's length and form. So much was expected from him, but he did not land the ball right. Half the series is gone, so far not seen a single Jaffa delivery from him...Wickets are not exactly seam/swing heaven, but he should have done much better... This series was billed after him, he is a no show thus far...

2. Rahat has bowled some good deliveries, but he bowls too many rubbish balls. Wahab was not able to do anything besides one spell...

Ugly


1. We never had openers, well since the dawn of Pakistan. But our number 3 and 4 never looked this ugly, one falls over on full length worse than no 11, other does skip dance, never seen before on cricket pitch :facepalm: Why Azhar is loosing his balance so badly?? - There is no swing or late movement, its just regular full length ball...

2. YK's skip dance: That was one of the most ugly thing to see on 1080P, with Dolby surround sound on my TV in ages, specially from a 50+ avg guy, the highest run getter from Pakistan. Is he doing that in nets as well?? - How long he has being doing that?? - His age is showing up is an understatement, you can be super-fit, but reflexes is another thing!!! - How to hide him is a big question.

With these top 4, there is no hope of us beating English School Team forget about their national team.

Changes

There are two matches before next test, its time to think about bringing Babar and Hasan Ali in test team, play them in two side matches and see if they can balance the team a bit.

There are few changes which are definite, Shaun has to go, no need of another opener, problem is we have selected much worse players on the bench...Ifthakar/Sami don't inspire anybody. Can you bring Babar and Hasan Ali from A team? - Not sure how realistic is that considering most of the failed batsmen are playing for long time...

Even with what we got the batting order should be:

1. Azhar
2. Hafeez
3. Shafiq/Babar
4. Misbah
5.Shafiq/Babar
6. YK
7. Sarfraz

Other big problem is playing with 4 bowlers, I am assuming Hafeez will be able to bowl in next match, With so many leftys, he can be handy somewhat...We are going to get some bowlers injured at this rate for sure :(

If Hasan cannot play, Imran should play in place of Rahat/Wahab(one of them will still play depending upon conditions, seem friendly(Rahat) or bounce and reverse(Wahab)...
Click to expand...
Loooool??! No matter how much you want yk never ever gonna go to #6
 
sully3 said:

Get this guy in the team Asap. Especially if you want to get Root and Vince out cheaply
Click to expand...
Ik's outswinger to dismiss Ian bell in the UAE is perhaps the best outswinger ever bowled with a new ball in the UAE Lol
 
ethan hunt said:
Ik's outswinger to dismiss Ian bell in the UAE is perhaps the best outswinger ever bowled with a new ball in the UAE Lol
Click to expand...

It was not an out-swinger; the ball hit the seam and shaped away from Bell. Swing is in the air and there was no movement in the air in that delivery, you can check the highlights.

Imran is not a swing bowler; he is a seam bowler in the mould of Umar Gul, but Gul was much better.
 
super hitter said:
After a terrible performance in the second test; a lot of replacements are probably going to be made.

the probable replacements could be i.e

1)sami aslam for shan masood
2)Zulfiqar babar or imran khan for wahab riaz

but the ideal one's should be;

1)Sohail Khan for Rahat Ali
2)Sami Aslam for Shan Masood
3)M.Rizwan for M.Hafeez

As far as I think, rain stops the play in Birmingham quite often, and we need to go into the match with quite an attacking strategy to create a winning scenario.
Click to expand...

Wahab Riaz should not be dropped, anyway! He creates pressure with his pace. I would drop Rahat, instead, who bowls a bad bowl on the very next bowl after taking the wicket.
 
ethan hunt said:
Ik's outswinger to dismiss Ian bell in the UAE is perhaps the best outswinger ever bowled with a new ball in the UAE Lol
Click to expand...

His dream ball so far has been that booming in swinger to Clarke in Abu Dhabi.Some saying it was a bowl of the century LOL

Whats strange is how IK went from being Misbahs main strike bowler for the last 2 years in UAE to him not even getting into the team on English pitches. Such a strange decision especially as his stats in Tests are far superior to all 5 fast bowlers in the squad.
 
Mamoon said:
It was not an out-swinger; the ball hit the seam and shaped away from Bell. Swing is in the air and there was no movement in the air in that delivery, you can check the highlights.

Imran is not a swing bowler; he is a seam bowler in the mould of Umar Gul, but Gul was much better.
Click to expand...

Just a convenient term i use for the away going delivery even if it is a leg cutter.

That passage of play was hilarious though . Bell was fighting for his place and got the only delivery that moved in the UAE that year.
 
sully3 said:
His dream ball so far has been that booming in swinger to Clarke in Abu Dhabi.Some saying it was a bowl of the century LOL

Whats strange is how IK went from being Misbahs main strike bowler for the last 2 years in UAE to him not even getting into the team on English pitches. Such a strange decision especially as his stats in Tests are far superior to all 5 fast bowlers in the squad.
Click to expand...

He may not be succesful but he bowls the best length with the new ball out of all the bowlers and keeps it in a channel unlike rahat .
I was surprised he failed in that warmup game.
Deserves a game just for his record though .
Poor guy didnt even get the newball in srilanka where misbah preferred ehsan and rahat .
 
ethan hunt said:
He may not be succesful but he bowls the best length with the new ball out of all the bowlers and keeps it in a channel unlike rahat .
I was surprised he failed in that warmup game.
Deserves a game just for his record though .
Poor guy didnt even get the newball in srilanka where misbah preferred ehsan and rahat .
Click to expand...

Absolutely agree with you he does the basics very well, gives the captain control by bowling on the fifth wicket channel consistently. His seam movement with the new ball is enough for him to take a few wickets and when the ball reverses he's a better bowler then Wahab is because he has much better control, as you can tell by the yorkers he bowls. Also when the ball is old IK is a very good bowler to keep the pressure on batsman and keep things tight for Yasir and Amir to attack.

I was there as Sussex at the warm up match, he didn't do anything wrong and it was ideal conditions for batting. Very humid and the pitch was flat. The first warm up match was an absolute green top so Rahat got lucky and got his 4 wickets.
 
Last edited:
Not sure if we'll see any changes in the batting order.

Imran in for Rahat/Wahab.

We are going to get wrecked.
 
Masood has to be dropped for Sami Aslam.

Imran Khan should be assessed in the warm up game. See how his form is. Might be time to drop Wahab.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

BouncerGuy
Islamabad United (129/4) secure a dominating 6-wicket victory against Karachi Kings (128/7) in match 10 of PSL X
2 3 4
Replies
275
Views
6K
Cricket Warrior
Cricket Warrior
BouncerGuy
  • Locked
England vs India | 2nd Test | Edgbaston | July 02-06 | Pre-Match Discussion
2
Replies
152
Views
3K
mominsaigol
mominsaigol
BouncerGuy
  • Locked
Pakistan v Bangladesh | 3rd T20I | Lahore | June 01 | Pre-Match Discussion
Replies
16
Views
783
BouncerGuy
BouncerGuy
BouncerGuy
Karachi Kings (175/7) defeat Quetta Gladiators (119/9) by 56 runs in a one-sided encounter in Match 8 of PSL X
5 6 7
Replies
537
Views
11K
The Bald Eagle
The Bald Eagle
Cricket Warrior
Pakistan reach 73/3 at stumps in the 1st innings of the 3rd Test against England
10 11 12
Replies
935
Views
15K
Nasty Naz
N
Back
Top