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England vs India | 4th Test | Southampton | August 30-September 3, 2018 | Day 1 Thread

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happydavy said:
And the SA and English series are mock tests for him? These aren't real tests but first class matches for him?
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Conditions have been more favorable to him than batsman i feel. He will have to be injury free with that action to last long. Will have to see how Bcci manages him in such busy schedule where he plays all formats + IPL. He is very quick learner but issue will be fitness and too much of cricket for him.
 
England need a big partnership here. Otherwise another 150/180 AO on the cards..
 
So this is the first time in 38 tests that Virat is playing same XI in consecutive tests.
 
Zahid87 said:
Big toss to win with a flat pitch.

Expect Root & Co to pile on the runs, and put pressure on India for the rest of the game. India don't have the bowlers to run through England without any assistance from the pitch.
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oh boy
 
4 down

India has England down on the mat on a good batting surface.

Great job
 
A fully fit Indian squad would have whitewashed these jokers 5-0, even if they lost every single toss.
 
MP2011 said:
This is wonderful bowling from Bumrah! Shows what we were missing for first 2 tests and during ODI series.

And the injury he got was so unfortunate, got injured on the last ball of the T20 against Ireland! Can it get more unfortunate?
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We are still missing Bhuvi who would have run riots on these wickets
 
Yeah, that's correct. But one hardly ever gets a fully fit XI these days.
 
Another slap in the face to all of the Pandya's haters out there!
 
England is such a terrible team. Should stop playing cricket. Get all your interest towards soccer.
 
What a morning it has been for us.

Pandya with an invaluable contribution with ball again.
 
Terrific chance for India...but Shami and Pandya bowling is just a waste of time.

Shami either to straight or too wide, and Pandya also inconsistent. Lucky to get that wicket of Cook.

Get Ashwin on whilst these two are getting set.
 
It is safe to say irrespective of what happens after 5 tests , india is the better team . Do you guys think England would have had india 50-4 on a turner pitch . This England team is absolutely pathetic .
 
Won't be the best time for a 175 run partnership from these two again.
 
wrongun said:
oh boy
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Now the case will be reversed! India were lucky to lose the toss, so that their bowlers could exploit the fresh wicket what otherwise would be a flat wicket for the rest of the match! Indians will always be luck with such things, while Pakistanis will always be unlucky :))
 
Stokes and Buttler should hit hundreds and get England past 300 total in first inning.
 
RamLakhan said:
Now the case will be reversed! India were lucky to lose the toss, so that their bowlers could exploit the fresh wicket what otherwise would be a flat wicket for the rest of the match! Indians will always be luck with such things, while Pakistanis will always be unlucky :))
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Exactly lol Even though England won the toss and elected to field first and even the commies justified why he did that. Our non-Indian fans were offering free opinions in hindsight lol
 
Zahid87 said:
Terrific chance for India...but Shami and Pandya bowling is just a waste of time.

Shami either to straight or too wide, and Pandya also inconsistent. Lucky to get that wicket of Cook.

Get Ashwin on whilst these two are getting set.
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True . We need atleast Shami to consistently bowl a consistent line and length. Has had a poor series overall.
 
Credit to India but Buttler is a bad one to drop.

England need to get 250 to stay in the game.
 
Pandya has clocked 145 kmph in this test! Got Cook off 141 kmph delivery. A pacer bowling 140+ who is a better batsman than bowler, we have to ensure Pandya can fulfill his potential and have a stellar career.
 
Zahid87 said:
To be fair, I think I underestimated the incompetence of England's batsmen, rather than underestimate the Indian bowlers.
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Yeah, there always has to be some explanation other than good performance by the Indians.

The truth is that India's pace unit is probably the best in the world. They did much better in SA measured by runs-per-wicket than the Australian unit which visited soon after.
 
RamLakhan said:
Now the case will be reversed! India were lucky to lose the toss, so that their bowlers could exploit the fresh wicket what otherwise would be a flat wicket for the rest of the match! Indians will always be luck with such things, while Pakistanis will always be unlucky :))
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Calm down mate. Get rid of the complex. No one is out to get you.

England won a good toss. Have batted poorly. India have bowled well.

Still stand by my earlier comment though. Historically, India have performed away when they have had a chance to get 20 wickets. That has generally come on good bowling pitches, where the skill gap between India's pace bowlers, and the opposition's was reduced.

India now have a better attack. Well done. Soak it all in.

But, its still not an attack that I believe will run through teams on good batting pitches. I can't really think of an attack in world cricket that can to be honest. Australia in the 2000s had one which could pick up wickets anywhere at anytime, apart from that, its tough. If you really think the India pace attack is at that level...well good luck to you.
 
Napa said:
Yeah, there always has to be some explanation other than good performance by the Indians.

The truth is that India's pace unit is probably the best in the world. They did much better in SA measured by runs-per-wicket than the Australian unit which visited soon after.
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I'll say it again. They have performed well on this tour. They are much better than before.

But do not get carried away. Best in the world is a big statement.

Look at this test. Sharma has bowled well, as has Bumrah. Shami...no consistent line nor length, and Pandya doesn't really look a threat either. And you think its the best in the world?

Before this series no Indian fan would take Ishant Sharma seriously....now part of the best in the world?!!

Get some perspective honestly.
 
BlackShadow said:
A fully fit Indian squad would have whitewashed these jokers 5-0, even if they lost every single toss.
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Lets admit that we were pathetic in the 2nd test. Good that we revived everything after that! Beating anyone 5-0 is difficult even at home and won't be easy overseas! (Even Australian and WI Team of past found it difficult!) Its good to see our team doing so well overseas (especially bowlers)
 
If Butler and Stokes cud get england past 150 without losing a wicket then england will be favorite again.
 
Zahid87 said:
Before this series no Indian fan would take Ishant Sharma seriously....now part of the best in the world?!!

Get some perspective honestly.
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I did not say Ishant is the best in the world, I said the "pace unit".

SA scored 35.17 runs per wkt against Australia, but only 23 runs per wkt against the Indians.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/scores/series/10909/aus-tour-of-sa-tests-2017-18
http://www.espncricinfo.com/scores/series/18064/ind-in-sa-tests-2017-18

If your bowlers are so much better than the Australians, then it is likely that they are the best in the world, especially when Bhuvi is in the team.
 
cricketindiafan said:
Pandya has clocked 145 kmph in this test! Got Cook off 141 kmph delivery. A pacer bowling 140+ who is a better batsman than bowler, we have to ensure Pandya can fulfill his potential and have a stellar career.
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That is why my hopes have increased so much about him! (the PACE! And his intent to bowl and be part of the team! He looks matured now!) He may get mocked by getting compared to Sobers, Kallis, Kapil, etc, but at least lets not compare him with the likes of Sanjay Bangar, Stuart Binny, Robin Singh, etc! He is definitely a lot better than them already! If keeps doing this bit for at least a couple of years, he will be on par with Azhar Mehmood, Abdul Razzak, Scot Styris... He should go in steps (next he should try to reach up to Chris Cairns, Steve Waugh....) Then Lance Klusener, Kapil Dev (World Cup winners! Very difficult, but possible)
 
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Zahid87 said:
I'll say it again. They have performed well on this tour. They are much better than before.

But do not get carried away. Best in the world is a big statement.

Look at this test. Sharma has bowled well, as has Bumrah. Shami...no consistent line nor length, and Pandya doesn't really look a threat either. And you think its the best in the world?

Before this series no Indian fan would take Ishant Sharma seriously....now part of the best in the world?!!

Get some perspective honestly.
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It is not when you have proven it for over a period of 3 years, with performances.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ng-performances-of-Test-teams-in-last-3-years
 
Good thing for England is that they have Moeen Ali in the squad. His inclusion means he can add a bit more to the England batting tally.

Curran and Rashid can bat a bit as well. Woakes will be a big miss though when England will come to bowl.
 
One session is all it took for the bookies to change their opinion, they now favor the Indians to win the Test. Also the odds for a draw are down to almost zero.
 
Bring ishant and bumrah. This shami is leaking runs will release pressure bumrah and ishant put on batsman.
 
Napa said:
I did not say Ishant is the best in the world, I said the "pace unit".

SA scored 35.17 runs per wkt against Australia, but only 23 runs per wkt against the Indians.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/scores/series/10909/aus-tour-of-sa-tests-2017-18
http://www.espncricinfo.com/scores/series/18064/ind-in-sa-tests-2017-18

If your bowlers are so much better than the Australians, then it is likely that they are the best in the world, especially when Bhuvi is in the team.
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The point still stands - a couple of tests ago, Ishant's place was uncertain in the Indian team - now you consider him to be a part of the 'best pace unit in the world'. Surely thats taking a couple of performances too far.

On that point about the runs scored in South Africa. The pitches used in the India series and the Aussie series in SA were slightly different. Not to forget the Aussies fell away in the 3rd test given what happened.

Look, by all means celebrate that India have a competent pace attack. I don't really want to spoil that party...but keep things in perspective. Long way to go yet for them to considered in those terms.
 
How many times has a visiting captain lost all 5 tosses in a series? Is that a stat that is kept?
 
Zahid87 said:
Look, by all means celebrate that India have a competent pace attack. I don't really want to spoil that party...but keep things in perspective. Long way to go yet for them to considered in those terms.
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Speaking of perspective "Expect Root & Co to pile on the runs, and put pressure on India for the rest of the game. India don't have the bowlers to run through England without any assistance from the pitch."

Anyway, kudos to you for coming back and posting when most posters disappear after making such statements.
 
there has to be an inverse relationship between India’s performance and fan comments frequency on this website.
 
With Moeen, surely you get Bumrah on and go short and yorkers at him. The guy is a sitting duck against the short ball.
 
Zahid87 said:
The point still stands - a couple of tests ago, Ishant's place was uncertain in the Indian team - now you consider him to be a part of the 'best pace unit in the world'. Surely thats taking a couple of performances too far.
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If that's what you think then you are misinformed.

Ishant has been a regular in the Indian test squad since 2014. His place in the side was never uncertain.
 
Stokes has shown in this inns if you apply yourself you can get runs, most of england batting has just been loose and all over the shop again in terms of decision making, India have bowled well but england shouldnt be 5 down for next to nothing.
 
JaDed said:
Yes , true for both sides though.
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Yes, but there are more Pakistan supporters on the website - ergo, India performing not good website interaction. I mean, it’s tumbleweeds on the Pandya vs Faheem thread
 
Amjid Javed said:
Stokes has shown in this inns if you apply yourself you can get runs, most of england batting has just been loose and all over the shop again in terms of decision making, India have bowled well but england shouldnt be 5 down for next to nothing.
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Not at all. Are you actually watching the match?

Only Cook and Butler were out to poor shots.

Jennings, Root and Bairstow got out to great balls.
 
For many years we run through opposition and then the tail does its fair share of wagging.

Sadly, the converse is not true. Our tail is not the best.
 
Stokes out.

Brings Beard the 2nd to the crease. Or will it be Curran?
 
the_outsider said:
Not at all. Are you actually watching the match?

Only Cook and Butler were out to poor shots.

Jennings, Root and Bairstow got out to great balls.
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Root and Jennings were poor dismissals as well, both were poor technically as usual.

Bairstow yes got a good delivery.

England continual feet in cement batting against moving ball is asking for trouble.
 
Stokes out, good swing ball but again poor footwork!
 
Amjid Javed said:
Root and Jennings were poor dismissals as well, both were poor technically as usual.
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Then you weren't paying attention to the match.

Those two balls swung the most in this match so far.

Jenning's wicket was the biggest outswinger (inswinger to left handed) I have ever seen Bumrah bowl.
 
Two all rounders who have individually taken matches away from us on the crease now.
 
Out of the 5 remaining batsmen, 4 are left handers.

Time to give Ashwin a long spell from one end.
 
Ishant has bowled 11 overs for 11 runs and 1 wicket! #Nelson
 
India should look to wrap up the innings. There have been several instances where Indian bowlers have leaked up runs to tailenders. Need to get England under 150 at max.
 
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