Gen Asim Munir takes over as Pakistan's 17th COAS

[shortbread]

Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Thursday chose Lt Gen Asim Munir as the new chief of army staff (COAS). Information Minister Marriyum Aurangzeb made the announcement on Twitter, saying the premier had made the choice while exercising his constitutional authority. She further said that Lt Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza had been picked as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC).

She went on to say that a summary of the same had been sent to President Arif Alvi. Speaking to the media minutes after the announcement was made, Defence Minister Khawaja Asif said the matter had been decided according to the law and the Constitution, calling on the nation to refrain from viewing it through a “political lens”.

He expressed the hope that the president would not make the appointments “controversial” and would endorse the advice of the premier. The defence minister reiterated that the president should endorse the premier’s advice so that a “controversy may not arise”. “This will also help our country and the economy to get on track. Currently, everything is at a standstill.”


Lieutenant General Sahir Shamshad Mirza

Lt-Gen Mirza, who was seen as a frontrunner for the army chief’s post, hails from the Sindh Regiment — the same parent unit as outgoing Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Gen Nadeem Raza.

Lt-Gen Mirza came to prominence as the director general military operations. In that role, he was part of the core team at the General Headquarters, which supervised the military operation against the banned Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan and other militants in North Waziristan.

Moreover, Lt-Gen Mirza was closely involved in the Quadrilateral Coordination Group that brokered intra-Afghan talks involving Pakistan, China, Afghanistan and the United States. He was also a member of the Sartaj Aziz-led committee on reforms for Gilgit-Baltistan.

In October 2021, he was posted as corps commander Rawalpindi to enable him to acquire operational experience and become eligible to be considered for top posts.




Lieutenant General Asim Munir

Lt Gen Munir entered the service via the Officers Training School programme in Mangla, and was commissioned into the Frontier Force Regiment.

He has been a close aide of Gen Bajwa ever since he commanded troops in the Force Command Northern Areas as a brigadier under the outgoing army chief, who was then Commander X Corps. Lt Gen Munir was later appointed Military Intelligence director general in early 2017, and in October next year was made the Inter-Services Intelligence chief.

He was posted as Gujranwala Corps commander, a position he held for two years, before being moved to the General Headquarters as the quartermaster general.

Sources:

https://www.dawn.com/news/1720318/p...my-chief-lt-gen-sahir-shamshad-mirza-as-cjcsc

https://www.dawn.com/news/1722629/who-is-sahir-shamshad-mirza-the-pms-choice-for-the-new-cjcsc

https://www.dawn.com/news/1722628/who-is-asim-munir-pm-shehbazs-pick-for-army-chief

 

[Varun]

Pakistan takes "General Elections" way too literally.

 

[daytrader]

Who is Lt Gen Asim Munir, PM Shehbaz’s pick for army chief?

After days of speculation, anticipation and apprehension that the appointment to the military’s top office could face delays, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has picked Lieutenant General Asim Munir to succeed outgoing army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa.

The selection, which caps weeks of speculation, is now pending the president’s approval.

Lt Gen Munir is an outstanding officer, but because of the technicalities involved, it was earlier believed he may remain the proverbial dark horse in the race for the army chief’s position.

He was promoted to the rank of a two-star general in September 2018, but he took charge two months later. As such, his four-year tenure as Lt Gen ends on November 27, around the same time when incumbent Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Gen Nadeem Raza and Chief of Army Staff Gen Bajwa will be doffing their army uniform.

Lt Gen Munir entered the service via the Officers Training School programme in Mangla, and was commissioned into the Frontier Force Regiment.

He has been a close aide of Gen Bajwa ever since he commanded troops in the Force Command Northern Areas as a brigadier under the outgoing army chief, who was then Commander X Corps.

Lt Gen Munir was later appointed Military Intelligence director general in early 2017, and in October next year was made the Inter-Services Intelligence chief.

However, his stint as the top intelligence officer turned out to be the shortest ever, as he was replaced by Lt Gen Faiz Hamid within eight months, on the insistence of then-PM Imran Khan.

He was posted as Gujranwala Corps commander, a position he held for two years, before being moved to the General Headquarters as the quartermaster general.

DAWN

 

[shortbread]

This isn't going to be smooth sailing, Alvi is stuck between the devil and the sea!

 

[Pakpak]

This was the Sharifs choice. This guy was meant to retire as well in 3 days.

Pathetic

No hope for this country

 

[MenInG]

President Arif Alvi will leave for Lahore today to meet with the former prime minister and PTI Chairman Imran Khan, ARY News reported.

The President will discuss the summary forwarded by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif regarding COAS and CJCSC appointments with PTI chief, say sources.

Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has decided to appoint Lieutenant General Syed Asim Munir as Chief of Army Staff (COAS) and Lieutenant General Sahir Shamshad Mirza as Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC).

The announcement was made by Information Minister Marriyum Aurangzeb on Twitter.

Taking to Twitter, Marriyum Aurangzeb said the premier has made the appointments while exercising his constitutional powers. She further said that Lt Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza has been picked as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC).

The information minister added that the summary of the appointments has been sent to President Arif Alvi for ratification.

The names were finalised following the special federal cabinet meeting held at the Prime Minister’s Office with Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif in the chair.

Speaking to the media minutes after the announcement was made by the information minister, Defence Minister Khawaja Asif said the “advice” regarding new appointments had been forwarded to President Arif Alvi.

Gen Asim Munir was the senior most general in the list of seniority while Gen Sahir was number 2 on the list.

ARY

 

[Xoib]

Imran fired him from ISI post in 2019 right?

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief and deposed prime minister Imran Khan on Thursday said that President Arif Alvi would "work" with him on the appointment of a new army chief.

In a tweet posted on the PTI's official Twitter handle, the former premier stated that "after the summary is received, the president and I will work according to the Constitution".

Earlier, the PTI chief had said that President Alvi was in contact with him and would consult him on the appointment of a new army chief as he was the party chief.

He asserted that if the prime minister can liaise with an “absconder” – a reference to PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif – then the president can consult with him as he is the party chief.

“I am in contact with the president over the summary related to a key appointment. He will discuss everything with me. The prime minister goes to an absconder so I am a party head,” Imran said in an interview on a private news channel.

“The president will absolutely discuss the matter with me,” he further said and added that he was not aware of who they will appoint but “the president and I have decided that we will play with this within the law and do whatever is in law and Constitution”.

It may be noted that the tweet has come only minutes after news broke that Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has decided to appoint Lieutenant General Syed Asim Munir as the next army chief and Lieutenant General Sahir Shamshad Mirza as the new chairman joint chiefs of staff committee (CJCSC), ending days of speculations.

The announcement was made by Information Minister Maryam Aurangzeb in a tweet where she stated that the summary has been sent to President Alvi.

Under the Constitution, the president may stretch the appointment of the new army chief for 25 days. Sources told The Express Tribune that the government had several plans in case the president delayed the summary.

It has the authority to appoint the vice chief of army staff (VCOAS) as there is no requirement for the president's approval for this purpose.

The government may also promote a lieutenant general to a full-fledged general for extending the tenure of the officer whose retirement is due.

A government official expressed his surprise that an “unnecessary” discussion was underway over the possibility of delaying the army chief’s appointment summary. “I think this is not an issue at all,” he added.

A PTI leader told The Express Tribune that he did not think that President Alvi would delay the summary.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2387918/imran-alvi-to-follow-constitution-in-coas-appointment

 

[shortbread]

Imran fired him from ISI post in 2019 right?

Munir, yes.... well depends on which version of the story you buy!

Munir is Bajwa's golden boy, he will certainly run the show while Mirza will be the front.

Munir is a distinguished officer who till the spat with IK, was always seen as a very straightforward and committed soldier. Remember he has served both as head of Military Intelligence and as the head of ISI, a rare combo. You don't simply get there by sifarish, he earned his chops.

It was in the role of director-general of ISI that things fell apart for him. He flagged Bushra Bibi's family affairs to the establishment hierarchy and this did not sit well with IK. Soon enough at the behest of the PM, Bajwa removed him from the post. It's also rumoured that he leaked the Bushra Biwi findings to the press. So no love lost there.

Now Alvi can deny this promotion by simply sitting on it for a week, because the promotion would cut close to Munir’s retirement date on November 27, when his four-year tenure as a Lieutenant General is due to end.

One thought the country could not fin more uncertainty when it's already in deep crisis, nope thought wrong!

 

[adi_62941]

Munir, yes.... well depends on which version of the story you buy!

Munir is Bajwa's golden boy, he will certainly run the show while Mirza will be the front.

Munir is a distinguished officer who till the spat with IK, was always seen as a very straightforward and committed soldier. Remember he has served both as head of Military Intelligence and as the head of ISI, a rare combo. You don't simply get there by sifarish, he earned his chops.

It was in the role of director-general of ISI that things fell apart for him. He flagged Bushra Bibi's family affairs to the establishment hierarchy and this did not sit well with IK. Soon enough at the behest of the PM, Bajwa removed him from the post. It's also rumoured that he leaked the Bushra Biwi findings to the press. So no love lost there.

Now Alvi can deny this promotion by simply sitting on it for a week, because the promotion would cut close to Munir’s retirement date on November 27, when his four-year tenure as a Lieutenant General is due to end.

One thought the country could not fin more uncertainty when it's already in deep crisis, nope thought wrong!

Looking at the scenarios from start of this year, it feels like our politicians and political parties are 100% responsible for the state we are in from last 40-50 years. When one party is in opposition, they fight establishment and sitting party in gov backs them and vice versa. Why cant they get together and fight this establishment mafia once in for all so that we can also be tracked on right direction just like our neighbors India, Bangladesh

Cant see any hope until unless these politicians all together exert resistance and challenges the supremacy of establishment/generals or atleast a sitting government got extreme power to make us free from these duffer general brass government.

Will love to see imran and nawaz joining hands to end this ******** or army is creating from the day this country got independence

 

[adi_62941]

PTI is just acting like PMLN and PPPP of 90's, PTI will need another decade to understand real politics dynamics

 

[Major]

This was the Sharifs choice. This guy was meant to retire as well in 3 days.

Pathetic

No hope for this country

better to know the laws before speaking.

Every COAS that is made on seniority is due to retire, but when they get the post of COAS they than stays as COAS for 3 years, the retirement gets delayed

 

[Major]

funny how pti fans cry about nawaz sharif making decision but its ok for the president to go to a politician who has no position in office.

Anyways, if the president tries to defer this, things can get ugly for IK.

 

[Reddy]

funny how pti fans cry about nawaz sharif making decision but its ok for the president to go to a politician who has no position in office.

Anyways, if the president tries to defer this, things can get ugly for IK.

That delaying/retirement loophole has been closed:

"Federal cabinet on Thursday has frozen the retirement of newly nominated Chief of Army Staff General Asim Munir. This was announced by Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah, while exclusively talking to ARY News. He said as per Army Act, the government has the authority to freeze the retirement of any officer. The senior most officer of the Pakistan Army was set to retire on November 27."

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I don’t get why people are even bothered with this whole nomination thingy. Whoever is actually selected for the job will do exactly the same stuff his predecessors have done. It’s a colonial institution and no change of face will change its nature. So as far as I am concerned, they could put mr bean on the job and it wouldn’t make a lick of difference.

 

[Bewal Express]

So the chances are that the guy will have been filmed with some women in a compromising position and the crooked witch will have a video or he will be corrupt as Bajwa and the mafia families will blackmail him over undeclared billions. NS and AZ can never chose a guy that is honest. Its not possible

 

[shortbread]

So the chances are that the guy will have been filmed with some women in a compromising position and the crooked witch will have a video or he will be corrupt as Bajwa and the mafia families will blackmail him over undeclared billions. NS and AZ can never chose a guy that is honest. Its not possible

If it was so easy to blackmail the establishment hierarchy over their undeclared billions, NS/AZ would've never lost power.

 

[MenInG]

President Dr Arif Alvi on Thursday formally approved Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif’s nominations for the next army chief and Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC), hours after receiving a summary in this regard.

Lt Gen Asim Munir has been named as the chief of army staff and Lt Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza has been named as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee.

The confirmation of the president’s approval was given by Defence Minister Khawaja Asif, putting an end to weeks’ long speculation. However, an official handout from the President’s office is still awaited.

Talking to media persons in Islamabad, Asif said that the advisory sent to President Alvi by the government has been approved. “The president has signed [the summary],” he said, calling it a “good omen”.


Key developments

PM picks Lt Gen Asim Munir as new COAS and Lt Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza as CJCSC
Information minister says summary for appointments has been sent for president’s approval
Defence minister hopes president will not make the appointments “controversial”
PTI chief Imran Khan says “I and the president of Pakistan will act according to the Constitution and laws” after the summary is received
Outgoing CJCSC General Nadeem Raza holds farewell meetings with president and PM
President signs off on PM’s summary after holding a meeting with PTI chief
The defence minister said the process of the army chief’s appointment had “caused unrest” in the country but the matter was now “settled”. “I believe that all the people, especially politicians, should bring their behaviors under the ambit of the law and Constitution.”

After receiving the summary from the prime minister earlier in the day, the president reached Lahore on Thursday afternoon to meet with Imran at the PTI chief’s Zaman Park residence, where he is recuperating from injuries he sustained in an assassination attempt.

PTI leaders Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Asad Umar and Fawad Chaudhry were also present at Imran’s Lahore residence.

Earlier, television footage showed Alvi’s convoy in the city.

Speaking to reporters outside the Zaman Park residence after the meeting, Fawad said in a brief statement that Imran and Alvi had discussed the army chief’s appointment. He went on to say that the president would be heading back to Islamabad.

“Between 6:30pm to 7pm, the Aiwan-i-Sadr will release a handout. Everything will be done in accordance with the law and the Constitution,” he said.

The appointments were announced earlier today by Information Minister Marriyum Aurangzeb on Twitter — a tweet which was deleted and swiftly put up again — capping weeks of intense speculation on the matter.

In her tweet, Aurangzeb said the premier made the choice while exercising his constitutional authority.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee is an inter-services forum that works for coordination among the three armed forces. The CJCSC also serves as the principal military adviser to the prime minister and the National Command Authority.

She went on to say that a summary of the same had been sent to President Arif Alvi.

Speaking to the media minutes after the announcement was made, Defence Minister Khawaja Asif said the matter had been decided according to the law and the Constitution, calling on the nation to refrain from viewing it through a “political lens”.

He expressed the hope that the president would not make the appointments “controversial” and would endorse the advice of the premier.

The defence minister reiterated that the president should endorse the premier’s advice so that a “controversy may not arise”. “This will also help our country and the economy to get on track. Currently, everything is at a standstill.”

He expressed the same in a tweet, saying that the advice had been forwarded to the president. He went on to say that it would now be a test for former premier Imran Khan where he could either strengthen the institution responsible for defending the country or make it controversial.

“This is also a test for President Alvi, whether he will follow political advice or the constitutional and legal advice,” he said. “As the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, it is his duty to protect the country from political conflicts,” he said about Alvi.

Imran’s ‘consultation’ with Alvi

Meanwhile, PTI’s official account quoted Imran Khan as saying “when the summary comes, I and the president of Pakistan will act according to the Constitution and laws”.

His statement comes a day after Imran claimed President Alvi would “definitely” consult him as soon as the summary for the appointment of next army chief reaches his office.

“President Alvi will definitely consult me on the summary for the appointment of army chief and take a decision as per the law and Constitution. I am head of the party that Dr Alvi belongs to,” he remarked while speaking to journalists at his Zaman Park residence on Wednesday.

After the names were made public, PTI Senator Shibli Faraz said: “It is President Alvi’s moral obligation to consult with the party chairman and I believe he should.

“This is not an obstacle. As Imran Khan said earlier, whatever happens will be within the law and Constitution.”

Outgoing CJCSC calls on Alvi, Shehbaz for farewell meetings

Outgoing CJCSC General Nadeem Raza held farewell meetings with President Alvi and PM Shehbaz.

A statement from Aiwan-i-Sadr said Gen Raza called on President Alvi in a farewell meeting.

“The president appreciated the services of General Nadeem Raza for national defence,” it said. “The president expressed his best wishes for Gen Raza.”

Separately, the PML-N tweeted a video of Gen Raza meeting PM Shehbaz at the PM House. “The prime minister paid tribute to Gen Raza for strengthening the defence of the country and for his services to the army.”

COAS appointment saga

Outgoing COAS Qamar Javed Bajwa was originally supposed to retire in 2019. However, his tenure was extended for three years by then-prime minister Imran Khan in Aug 2019, just three months before he was set to retire.

Despite speculation about him seeking another extension, Bajwa had indicated several months ago that he planned to retire this year.

His retirement plan was later confirmed by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) on at least a couple of occasions and the general had himself in the last few months twice made it clear that he had no intentions to carry on — once during his visit to the United States and then again, while speaking at the National Security Workshop at National Defence University.

The next army chief’s appointment is at times mentioned as one of the major subplots in the ongoing political crisis engulfing the country which began earlier this year following the tabling of a no-trust motion against Imran.

Doubts about Bajwa’s retirement plan had been so strong that Imran, when faced with the vote of no-confidence, suspected that the political move against him was linked to Gen Bajwa’s impending retirement. He had, therefore, offered an indefinite extension to Gen Bajwa in a bid to pre-empt the then opposition’s vote against him, as per a recent presser by senior military officials.

Gen Bajwa started his farewell visits to formations on Nov 1 with a visit to the Army Air Defence Command and followed up the next day with a visit to Armed Forces Strategic Forces Command. Since then, he quietly toured a number of formations.

In a farewell address, Gen Bajwa acknowledged that the military received criticism for “unconstitutionally interfering in politics”, and at the same time criticised political parties for erring and being intolerant towards rivals.

He also called on political stakeholders to reflect on their attitudes as the “army had started its catharsis” as he emphasised the need for the restoration of political stability.


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[Local.Dada]

Both generals looks very “Indian” based on the looks classification on here. Having said that good luck to people of Pakistan, hope they work towards peace with India since we know where the buck stops.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Looking at the scenarios from start of this year, it feels like our politicians and political parties are 100% responsible for the state we are in from last 40-50 years. When one party is in opposition, they fight establishment and sitting party in gov backs them and vice versa. Why cant they get together and fight this establishment mafia once in for all so that we can also be tracked on right direction just like our neighbors India, Bangladesh

Cant see any hope until unless these politicians all together exert resistance and challenges the supremacy of establishment/generals or atleast a sitting government got extreme power to make us free from these duffer general brass government.

Will love to see imran and nawaz joining hands to end this ******** or army is creating from the day this country got independence

Nothing personal against you but that’s one of the most idiotic posts in the thread.

Except for IK, all other party leaders and their friends are corrupt to the core and dishonest to the filth level. These shameless people have no inner pride (zameer), so they act like pawns on a chessboard for army to call the shots., And since these imbeciles are ready to sell their mothers for money, they jump on the opportunity to get into power to do corruption and earn some money (which is perhaps less than quarter of what establishment leadership makes).

Everyone gets their share of the cake. Everyone goes home happy.

And you want these low lives to join hands with IK and stand up against the establishment? lol

Why should they? They get a lot more benefit in taking orders from establishment rather than going against the establishment.

The only solution is, people of Pakistan have to get into the GHQ by millions. Beak down the shackles and help arrest these top brass army generals to face treason trials that leads to capital punishment.

 

[Savak]

These guys are apparently even more Anti PTI then Bajwa. The stars are perfectly aligned for the opposition against the PTI for the last year.

 

[Savak]

Only in Pakistan will the nomination, selection of the COAS get more importance then the PM election, selection or the President.

 

[Bewal Express]

If it was so easy to blackmail the establishment hierarchy over their undeclared billions, NS/AZ would've never lost power.

They have and that's why they are back. What we learnt about Bajwa this week is the reason these establishment criminals are so compromised. As the crooked witch said, I have more videos, and she isn't afraid to use them. A totally unsustainable position for a country where one set of crooked elite are blackmailing and are being blackmailed by another set of crooked elite. It's led to economic and institutional collapse. As I said before its damage that can't be undone and off course we will labour along, but with no ambition or desire to improve.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

So PTI and IK are not only fighting against the ALL the political parties, but also against the establishment, and have to steer a corrupt nation that stands 140 on the scale of honesty?

It's like IK's playing days where he fought on three fronts at the same time.

He was fighting against not only the opposition team but also against PCB and then had to steer the team members like a herd of sheep. He had absolute zero support from the board. At one time, IK captained a team that had 7 previous captains. This is how bad the internal politics was.

 

[Major]

) ) what a goal by pmln. Made the senior most guy and that too who imran removed from isi.

There goes imrans and ptis election.

Well done pdm

 

[Major]

Looking at the scenarios from start of this year, it feels like our politicians and political parties are 100% responsible for the state we are in from last 40-50 years. When one party is in opposition, they fight establishment and sitting party in gov backs them and vice versa. Why cant they get together and fight this establishment mafia once in for all so that we can also be tracked on right direction just like our neighbors India, Bangladesh

Cant see any hope until unless these politicians all together exert resistance and challenges the supremacy of establishment/generals or atleast a sitting government got extreme power to make us free from these duffer general brass government.

Will love to see imran and nawaz joining hands to end this ******** or army is creating from the day this country got independence

Only good post in this thread.

Ppp were the only party that fought against the establishment.

Pmln was created by the establishment to target ppp and when this party decided to govern the same establishment bite them back.

Pmln learned it from the hardway when their own president removed them.

Mqm was another party created by isi to challenge ppp and eventually they stood up to their masters. It was a good party with educated people until altaf hussain was exposed for his antics.

When pti came we all had hope that maybe this guy would stand against the establishment.but what he did we all saw.

Imran had an election rigged in his favour through bajwa. They sabotaged the state through tlp just to get into power. Bajwa exposed pti yesterday in his speech.
He spilled the beans that they got pti in power.

Now imran can do his rona dhona, but imrans and pmln rona dhona is conditional. They are against establishmrnt when they are not the ones in their lap, when they are back on the laps they will shut their mouth.

Establishment's best feature is that they are not loyal to any party. For them not only ppp, pmpn and pti are important but even parties like PTM are important and which is why they will never have kohsin dawar get killed.

When things go south in baluchistan they will bring mohsin dawar back to save the province

 

[Savak]

) ) what a goal by pmln. Made the senior most guy and that too who imran removed from isi.

There goes imrans and ptis election.

Well done pdm

In my political viewing experience of Pakistani politics all generals handpicked as my guy have ended up backstabbing the guys who picked them

Iskander Mirza Ayub Khan
Ayub Khan Yahya Khan
Bhutto Zia ul Haq
Nawaz Sharif Musharraf
Musharraf Ashfaq Kayani
Nawaz Sharif Bajwa
Imran Khan Bajwa

If PML-N thinks that they have their guy as COAS and that everything will go as they desire then they should be well advised to learn from Pakistan's history

These generals are only loyal to themselves and no one else.

 

[Mamoon]

Beautiful. Another painful moment for Imran and his supporters. Game over for the fake messiah.

 

[Cricket-lion]

Beautiful. Another painful moment for Imran and his supporters. Game over for the fake messiah.

You can celebrate now as PMLN supporters are renowned to do and then they fall flat on their faces. It is to be noted that it was Imran Khan who gave the final approval of the new army chief through Presedent Arif Alvi.

 

[MenInG]

It would be rather stupid of anyone in the army to take an anti-Imran stance given his popularity in the country.

 

[Savak]

You can celebrate now as PMLN supporters are renowned to do and then they fall flat on their faces. It is to be noted that it was Imran Khan who gave the final approval of the new army chief through Presedent Arif Alvi.

Not sure what the celebration is for. All Army Chiefs handpicked in our countries history by various PM's and leaders for being "My guy" have ended up back stabbing them. Why should this be any different?

 

[Cricket-lion]

) ) what a goal by pmln. Made the senior most guy and that too who imran removed from isi.

There goes imrans and ptis election.

Well done pdm

Please do some proper research before commenting. He was not removed by Imran Khan. I think humiliation is in the destiny of PDM again and again.

Fact remains that Imran Khan is the most powerful leader in Pakistan and his party in a fair election will get more then 2/3rd majority. You can delay but the final outcome with be the same.

 

[Bewal Express]

) ) what a goal by pmln. Made the senior most guy and that too who imran removed from isi.

There goes imrans and ptis election.

Well done pdm

If he interferes than a few tweets from Kaptaan and this guy will have to spend the rest of his life in purdah.

 

[Bewal Express]

Beautiful. Another painful moment for Imran and his supporters. Game over for the fake messiah.

With 80% of the vote with Kaptaan, he will have to stuff the ballot boxes one by one to give these crooks even a few seats. The worst govt by a bunch of crooks ever seen in anywhere in the World isn't something you can ever get away from.

 

[Savak]

Don't understand the logic of the Noora's, IK was able to remove Asim Munir as DG ISI but was unable to reinstate Faiz Hameed as DG ISI. How does this work?

 

[Major]

If he interferes than a few tweets from Kaptaan and this guy will have to spend the rest of his life in purdah.

) Tweets from khan

Bechara, he was once pm amd had the power of the national assembly and now he has to rely on tweets )

 

[Major]

Please do some proper research before commenting. He was not removed by Imran Khan. I think humiliation is in the destiny of PDM again and again.

Fact remains that Imran Khan is the most powerful leader in Pakistan and his party in a fair election will get more then 2/3rd majority. You can delay but the final outcome with be the same.

Yes someone with 30percent support and 70percent opposition is the most powerful

So now pm of country is not removing isi chief than who is......

 

[moghul]

He was Nawaz Sharif's first choice, must be a very honest man.

 

[adi_62941]

Nothing personal against you but that’s one of the most idiotic posts in the thread.

Except for IK, all other party leaders and their friends are corrupt to the core and dishonest to the filth level. These shameless people have no inner pride (zameer), so they act like pawns on a chessboard for army to call the shots., And since these imbeciles are ready to sell their mothers for money, they jump on the opportunity to get into power to do corruption and earn some money (which is perhaps less than quarter of what establishment leadership makes).

Everyone gets their share of the cake. Everyone goes home happy.

And you want these low lives to join hands with IK and stand up against the establishment? lol

Why should they? They get a lot more benefit in taking orders from establishment rather than going against the establishment.

The only solution is, people of Pakistan have to get into the GHQ by millions. Beak down the shackles and help arrest these top brass army generals to face treason trials that leads to capital punishment.

I think you are living a dream, Imran khan also caught doing corruption in Toshakhana case.
Its just about fake power for our politicians which influence them to go against or back establishment whenever required.

 

[adi_62941]

Only good post in this thread.

Ppp were the only party that fought against the establishment.

Pmln was created by the establishment to target ppp and when this party decided to govern the same establishment bite them back.

Pmln learned it from the hardway when their own president removed them.

Mqm was another party created by isi to challenge ppp and eventually they stood up to their masters. It was a good party with educated people until altaf hussain was exposed for his antics.

When pti came we all had hope that maybe this guy would stand against the establishment.but what he did we all saw.

Imran had an election rigged in his favour through bajwa. They sabotaged the state through tlp just to get into power. Bajwa exposed pti yesterday in his speech.
He spilled the beans that they got pti in power.

Now imran can do his rona dhona, but imrans and pmln rona dhona is conditional. They are against establishmrnt when they are not the ones in their lap, when they are back on the laps they will shut their mouth.

Establishment's best feature is that they are not loyal to any party. For them not only ppp, pmpn and pti are important but even parties like PTM are important and which is why they will never have kohsin dawar get killed.

When things go south in baluchistan they will bring mohsin dawar back to save the province

Whats unusual thing about establishment is that there minds are working just like politicians. They never back any leader for long time even if he is doing well (nawaz) because if any leader appears to get lead in public eyes they try to sabotage his government so that they will become relevant in Pakistan.
I always felt Nawaz Government always bring fruits for pakistan. they tried to strengthen relationships with neighbors and influence people to invest in pakistan which leads to job creation and somewhat economic stability. Moreover our establishment is fully backed by US as they have larger interests in south east asia. They want to control india somehow through our army as US have big investments in India

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I think you are living a dream, Imran khan also caught doing corruption in Toshakhana case.
Its just about fake power for our politicians which influence them to go against or back establishment whenever required.

Definitely.
Everyone has done some corruption at some level within their reach and power - including yourself and myself. How much? That's what gives us a good indicator as who to go with. No one is an angel here, are you?

 

[MenInG]

President Dr Arif Alvi on Thursday approved a summary sent by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif for the appointment of Lt-Gen Syed Asim Munir as the next army chief and Lt-Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza as the new Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC), ending days of speculations.

General Syed Asim Munir will end the six-year-long tenure of General Qamar Javed Bajwa. Gen Mirza will replace the Gen Nadeem Raza, as the CJCSC – technically the most senior position in the military but considered as ceremonial.

The announcement of the key appointments in the army was first made by Information Minister Maryam Aurangzeb following the special cabinet meeting chaired by Prime Minister Shehbaz. Unlike the past, the government did not wait for the president to sign the summary to announce the decision.

“Using his constitutional powers, Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif has decided to appoint Lt Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Lt Gen Syed Asim Munir as the Chief of the Army Staff,” Maryam announced on Twitter.

The announcement before the president gave his assent, appeared to be a deliberate move by the government in order to pre-empt any step by the president that might derail the process.

The president instead of signing the summary took a special plane to meet Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan in Lahore. For a moment it felt the country might be heading for another crisis as rumours spread that the president might not sign the summary straightaway.

However, all those speculations were short lived as the president within hours signed the summary to approve both the appointments.

“President Dr Arif Alvi has promoted Lieutenant General Sahir Shamshad Mirza HI(M) to the rank of General with immediate effect and appointed him as Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee with effect from 27th November 2022,” an official statement issued by the President’s Secretariat said.

“The president promoted Lieutenant General Syed Asim Munir HI(M) to the rank of General with immediate effect and appointed him as Chief of Army Staff with effect from 29th November 2022,” official statement added.

The statement said that the promotions and appointments were made under articles 243(4) (a)&(b) and 48(1) of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan read with sections 8-A and 8-D of the Pakistan Army Act 1952.
Soon after the president’s approval, the newly-installed generals separately called on Alvi. Later, the newly appointed army chief and the CJCSC also called on the prime minister. The PTI, in a statement, congratulated both the four-star officers and wished them good luck.

The appointment of army chief continued to dominate the national discourse for several weeks as people kept guessing that who would succeed Gen Bajwa.
The defence ministry had sent a summary with six names to the Prime Minister Office on Tuesday night. Gen Asim Munir and Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza were the first and second in the seniority list, respectively. Therefore, both key slots went to the most-senior generals after Gen Bajwa.

In 2013, General Raheel Sharif was number 3, and in 2016, Gen Bajwa was number 4 in order of seniority. This time the government upheld the principle of seniority.

Illustrious careers

Gen Asim is the only second army chief who also remained head of Pakistan’s premier spy agency. General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani was the other chief of staff who served as the director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) before becoming the four-star general.

Gen Asim, who hails from the garrison city of Rawalpindi, has diversified experience in the army. He has served as corps commander Gujranwala. He was also the DG ISI from October 2018 to June 2019. He also served as DG Military Intelligence (MI).

Gen Asim was considered as a frontrunner as the government indicated that the principle of seniority would take precedence this time in the appointment of a new chief. Those who know Gen Asim or worked with him are of the view that he is a “straight talker”.

Lt Gen Mirza was the second on the seniority list. He was Corps Commander Rawalpindi. He also served as chief of general staff (CGS) – a key position most army chiefs held in the past. The CGS is known as the de facto army chief since he heads both the operational and intelligence directorates. In simple words, every file in the army goes through the CGS table.

Previously, he served as the Director General Military Operations (DGMO). General Mirza has an interesting personal background. He lost his parents at an early age. He rose to this position with sheer hard work and struggle.
It is stated that he mentioned his unit in the parents’ column.

Those who know Gen Mirza closely say he enjoys a good reputation in the army. He is not involved in any controversy and there is not much debate about his candidature.

Express Tribune

 

[MenInG]

The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) leadership, that was insisting the “game is still in the hands of kaptaan” until early on Thursday, went into complete silence after President Dr Arif Alvi approved the appointments of the new chairman joint chiefs of staff committee and the army chief.

The PTI central media, later in the evening, issued a statement and congratulated Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza, who was appointed the chairman joint chiefs of staff committee, and Gen Syed Asim Munir, who takes on the role of the army chief. The party hoped the military establishment would take measures in the best interest of the nation’s security and stability of state institutions. It also said the people of Pakistan wanted the armed forces to “stay out” of politics and “not infringe upon” the rights of political parties.

The PTI leadership maintained an odd silence over the two all-important appointments in the armed forces, as President Alvi left PTI chief Imran Khan’s Zaman Park residence after a brief meeting, signalling that the summary for the appointments, moved by the prime minister, would be signed in a matter of minutes.

As Dr Alvi briefed Mr Khan on the summary, the latter directed the president to take action within the ambit of law and Constitution. “We must adhere to the law and Constitution and not create a controversy over any important appointment in the state institutions,” sources quoted Mr Khan as saying. They also said Mr Khan maintained the PTI had no enmity with any institution.

As a lull prevailed within the PTI, sources confided to Dawn that Mr Khan himself or the party’s central spokesperson would issue an official version on the new appointments. It may, however, be mentioned that the PTI chief had already announced his party had no issue as to who was appointed as the top army boss as long as it was on merit.

Moreover, former premier Khan had also exercised restraint while speaking to journalists at his residence a day earlier, and did not disclose whether he planned a sit-in in Rawalpindi. He just said he’d maintain the “suspense”. Stating that he would announce his next strategy in his address to the PTI’s long march in the garrison city on Saturday, he had claimed the involvement of PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif in the matter of the most important appointments had already affected the incoming army chief’s neutrality.

DAWN

 

[daytrader]

US Embassy felicitates new army chief, CJCSC
Washington reiterates its commitment to working with Pakistan’s elected leaders, military leadership

The United States Embassy in Islamabad on Friday congratulated the newly appointed Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) General Asim Munir and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC) General Sahir Shamshad Mirza.

The US reiterated its commitment to working with Pakistan’s elected leaders, military leadership, and a diverse range of civil society partners.

It further hoped to advance shared interests in trade and investment, health security, climate change, inclusive governance, and regional security.


The announcement of the new appointments was made a day earlier by Information Minister Maryam Aurangzeb following the special cabinet meeting chaired by Prime Minister Shehbaz. Unlike in the past, the government did not wait for the president to sign the summary to announce the decision.

The announcement before the president gave his assent, appeared to be a deliberate move by the government in order to pre-empt any step by the president that might derail the process.

The president instead of signing the summary took a special plane to meet Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan in Lahore. For a moment it felt like the country might be heading for another crisis as rumours spread that the president might not sign the summary straightaway.

However, all those speculations were short-lived as the president within hours signed the summary to approve both appointments.

General Munir will end the six-year-long tenure of General Qamar Javed Bajwa while General Mirza will replace General Nadeem Raza for the most senior position in the military but considered ceremonial.

Express Tribune

 

[Mamoon]

Definitely.
Everyone has done some corruption at some level within their reach and power - including yourself and myself. How much? That's what gives us a good indicator as who to go with. No one is an angel here, are you?

Initially, PTI supporters told us that Imran is an angel. He is the most honest man on earth and he has never done anything wrong in his life.

They put him on a pedestal and made him look like a messiah who has been sent from the heavens to save Pakistan.

Now that Imran’s own wrongdoings are coming to the surface one by one, they narrative has changed from “he is an angel” to “well he is not as bad as others”.

PTI supporters need to make up their mind and clear their own confusion first. The reality is that Imran has been exposed, humiliated and defeated. His arrogance, narcissism and his god complex has proved to be his downfall.

Imran will never become PM again and once he goes, PTI will self-destruct and break into small parties because it has no real roots. It is a fake party made up of a bunch of opportunist turncoat politicians who jumped on the bandwagon to save their own backsides.

Imran is the glue that holds them together and once he is gone, the internal factions within PTI will consume the party.

People criticize family politics, but that is what ensures long-term survival. The current generation will be long gone, but the names of Sharif and Bhutto families will carry on forever. 100 years from today, when not a single current member would be alive, their vote banks will still carry forward and people will still vote in their name.

On the other hand, PTI will probably be a dead duck 20 years from today. It will be remembered as a temporary inconvenience that made a lot of noise but achieved nothing.

 

[daytrader]

GEN ASIM MUNIR NEW COAS, GEN SAHIR MADE CJCSC AS GOVT ISSUES NOTIFICATION

ISLAMABAD: The federal government on Friday notified the appointment of General Asim Munir as the next chief of army staff and Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff committee (CJCSC).

The notification comes after President Arif Alvi Thursday approved Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif’s nominations for the next army chief and CJCSC, hours after receiving a summary in this regard.

As per the notification issued by the Ministry of Defence , the incumbent CJCSC Gen Nadeem Raza and Army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa will retire on November 27 and 29 respectively.

“In exercise of powers conferred by Article 243(4)(b) of the Constitution […] read with Section 8A of Pakistan Army Act 1952, the president on the advice of the prime minister is pleased to approve the promotion of PA-25031 Lt Gen Syed Asim Munir […] to the rank of General with immediate effect and his appointment as Chief of the Army Staff for a period of three years with effect from 29th November 2022,” a notification read.

Following their appointments, Newly-appointed Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Asim Munir Ahmed Shah and Chairman Joint Chief of Staff Committee(CJCSC) Sahir Shamshad Mirza met with President Arif Alvi and Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif.

The newly-appointed COAS and CJCSC met with President Arif Alvi at the President on President’s invitation. The President congratulated both Generals on their appointments.

The COAS and CJCSC met with Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif at the Prime Minister’s house. The Prime Minister congratulated both the Generals and commended their professionalism.

Who is Lieutenant General Asim Munir?
Lieutenant General Syed Asim Munir is the senior most officer after outgoing Army Chief Qamar Javed Bajwa and is currently serving as Quartermaster General in the Pakistan Army.

Lt-Gen Munir entered the service via the Officers Training School (OTS) programme in Mangla and was commissioned into the 23rd Battalion of the Frontier Force Regiment.

He was appointed DG of the Military Intelligence in early 2017 and then ISI Director General in October 2018.

He was posted as Gujranwala Corps commander, a position he held for two years, before being moved to the General Headquarters as the quartermaster general.

Lt-Gen Munir is the recipient of the Sword of Honour from the 17th course of the Officers Training School in Mangla. Also, he is the recipient of the Hilal-i-Imtiaz.

Who is Lt Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza?
Lieutenant General Sahir Shamshad Mirza is a three-star general in the Pakistan Army who is currently serving as a commander for Rawalpindi Corps.

The recipient of Hilala-e-Imtiaz (Military) has served in senior leadership positions in his career, including director-general military operations (DGMO), Chief of General Staff, and Adjutant General at the General Headquarters.

Mirza was commissioned in the 8th Battalion of the Sind Regiment as second lieutenant in 1985. He was promoted to the rank of lieutenant general in 2019.

ARY

 

[adi_62941]

Definitely.
Everyone has done some corruption at some level within their reach and power - including yourself and myself. How much? That's what gives us a good indicator as who to go with. No one is an angel here, are you?

But most of the PTI supporters believe he is an angel who cannot be wrong and consider him cult figure in politics.
Corruption is one reality which happens in all countries in different shapes and size.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

But most of the PTI supporters believe he is an angel who cannot be wrong and consider him cult figure in politics.
Corruption is one reality which happens in all countries in different shapes and size.

As they say, “andhon mein kana Raja”. That’s what he is.
And when compared with the traditional political leaders of PDM, he DOES look like an angel, at least figuratively and metaphorically.

But yeah - he is a human who is bound to make mistakes - he has made mistakes in the past and he will make mistakes in the future.
What makes him stand apart is, his intentions.

 

[Major]

Definitely.
Everyone has done some corruption at some level within their reach and power - including yourself and myself. How much? That's what gives us a good indicator as who to go with. No one is an angel here, are you?

Umm no. If you have done corruption than thats very shameful.

I havent done corruption and nor have my family members who have served the govt.

 

[Major]

Initially, PTI supporters told us that Imran is an angel. He is the most honest man on earth and he has never done anything wrong in his life.

They put him on a pedestal and made him look like a messiah who has been sent from the heavens to save Pakistan.

Now that Imran’s own wrongdoings are coming to the surface one by one, they narrative has changed from “he is an angel” to “well he is not as bad as others”.

PTI supporters need to make up their mind and clear their own confusion first. The reality is that Imran has been exposed, humiliated and defeated. His arrogance, narcissism and his god complex has proved to be his downfall.

Imran will never become PM again and once he goes, PTI will self-destruct and break into small parties because it has no real roots. It is a fake party made up of a bunch of opportunist turncoat politicians who jumped on the bandwagon to save their own backsides.

Imran is the glue that holds them together and once he is gone, the internal factions within PTI will consume the party.

People criticize family politics, but that is what ensures long-term survival. The current generation will be long gone, but the names of Sharif and Bhutto families will carry on forever. 100 years from today, when not a single current member would be alive, their vote banks will still carry forward and people will still vote in their name.

On the other hand, PTI will probably be a dead duck 20 years from today. It will be remembered as a temporary inconvenience that made a lot of noise but achieved nothing.

Good post.

Pti fans dont even realize this that this party is not sustainable. Its gonna end up like mqm but even worse because atleast mqm had muhajirs to back, this party never had any ideology just armys support and money.

Their downfall has been hilarious. Bajwa exposed them in his last speech, imran took u turn on everything. Imran got slapped by army officials and than the most hilarious of all, imran failes to get the elections done

Elections will take place according to the schdule time.

For imran if the election is now held one month before the slotted rime that would be his only achievement

 

[Mamoon]

Good post.

Pti fans dont even realize this that this party is not sustainable. Its gonna end up like mqm but even worse because atleast mqm had muhajirs to back, this party never had any ideology just armys support and money.

Their downfall has been hilarious. Bajwa exposed them in his last speech, imran took u turn on everything. Imran got slapped by army officials and than the most hilarious of all, imran failes to get the elections done

Elections will take place according to the schdule time.

For imran if the election is now held one month before the slotted rime that would be his only achievement

PTI is basically an Imran Khan fan club. The people who idolized him as a cricketer followed him into politics.

Over time, Imran realized that the entire nation is not in love with him so in order to win votes, he needs to bribe lota politicians into his party so that he can take advantage of their vote banks.

They were bribed by the various mafias and shady businessman that Imran befriended. They funded him and in return, he promised favors after he wins the election.

These favors included important ministries and protection of their corruption.

He also started polishing boots because he knew he does not stand a chance without their support.

His downfall, as I explained earlier, proved to be his arrogance. He was brought into power by the army but once he came into power, he refused to listen to anyone.

In Imran’s head he is always right and no can question him. If anyone does, he is an enemy. He takes a U-turn on each and everything and you are supposed to believe him before and after the U-turn.

The army was extremely patient with him, they gave him more freedom and leverage than any PM before him but he went too far with his false allegations, accusations and the hatred that he spread in the masses.

After being handed over the federal government in 2018, he should have kept quiet and focused on his performance.

His first speech as PM was wonderful and it felt like he has finally matured, but it just proved to be a drama because he failed to live up to his own words.

Had he kept his mouth shut, PDM would not have been formed, his own past would not have come back to haunt him like this, the army would still be on his side and he would still be the PM with a very good chance of winning another term.

 

[MenInG]

Problem is some just cannot understand why Imran is so popular in Pakistan.

Sooner they accept it, easier it will be for them to move on with life.

 

[Major]

PTI is basically an Imran Khan fan club. The people who idolized him as a cricketer followed him into politics.

Over time, Imran realized that the entire nation is not in love with him so in order to win votes, he needs to bribe lota politicians into his party so that he can take advantage of their vote banks.

They were bribed by the various mafias and shady businessman that Imran befriended. They funded him and in return, he promised favors after he wins the election.

These favors included important ministries and protection of their corruption.

He also started polishing boots because he knew he does not stand a chance without their support.

His downfall, as I explained earlier, proved to be his arrogance. He was brought into power by the army but once he came into power, he refused to listen to anyone.

In Imran’s head he is always right and no can question him. If anyone does, he is an enemy. He takes a U-turn on each and everything and you are supposed to believe him before and after the U-turn.

The army was extremely patient with him, they gave him more freedom and leverage than any PM before him but he went too far with his false allegations, accusations and the hatred that he spread in the masses.

After being handed over the federal government in 2018, he should have kept quiet and focused on his performance.

His first speech as PM was wonderful and it felt like he has finally matured, but it just proved to be a drama because he failed to live up to his own words.

Had he kept his mouth shut, PDM would not have been formed, his own past would not have come back to haunt him like this, the army would still be on his side and he would still be the PM with a very good chance of winning another term.

Fully agree.

Pti started out as an imran fan club. People who knew nothing about politics were pti fans at the start. There were man yof them online back in 2010.

Most of them dont even know the reality of how messed up IK really is.

If you ever get a chance to visit bani gala in islamabad do so.

Bani gala has 2-3 roads that connects the whole town. This guy who made one proper road there and guess what, it was that road that led straight to his home and the one he used for daily use. He couldnt care less because he didn use the other roads. He talked about madina ke riyasat yet he lived as a corrupt king

 

[Major]

Problem is some just cannot understand why Imran is so popular in Pakistan.

Sooner they accept it, easier it will be for them to move on with life.

33 percent of the general population voted for him, while 67 percent voted against him in the general election.

If those numbers show popularity, than lol. Only pti fans can accept that as a popularity figure not others.

 

[MenInG]

Alhamdulillah that Imran Khan is alive and represents the only hope we have to wipe out the years of corruption that the likes of Bhutto and Sharifs have done.

My family (and will not mention any more) had the misfortune of dealing with these sub-humans many years ago and to see their progeny strut around being adored by some is painful.

Inshallah better days ahead.

 

[adi_62941]

PTI is basically an Imran Khan fan club. The people who idolized him as a cricketer followed him into politics.

Over time, Imran realized that the entire nation is not in love with him so in order to win votes, he needs to bribe lota politicians into his party so that he can take advantage of their vote banks.

They were bribed by the various mafias and shady businessman that Imran befriended. They funded him and in return, he promised favors after he wins the election.

These favors included important ministries and protection of their corruption.

He also started polishing boots because he knew he does not stand a chance without their support.

His downfall, as I explained earlier, proved to be his arrogance. He was brought into power by the army but once he came into power, he refused to listen to anyone.

In Imran’s head he is always right and no can question him. If anyone does, he is an enemy. He takes a U-turn on each and everything and you are supposed to believe him before and after the U-turn.

The army was extremely patient with him, they gave him more freedom and leverage than any PM before him but he went too far with his false allegations, accusations and the hatred that he spread in the masses.

After being handed over the federal government in 2018, he should have kept quiet and focused on his performance.

His first speech as PM was wonderful and it felt like he has finally matured, but it just proved to be a drama because he failed to live up to his own words.

Had he kept his mouth shut, PDM would not have been formed, his own past would not have come back to haunt him like this, the army would still be on his side and he would still be the PM with a very good chance of winning another term.

Totally agreed. In 2013 elections he put his 101% into winning elections and promised and predicted in each and every show/speech he appeared that he will clean sweep the general elections but in reality he was nothing without the help of army. He was the golden boy that time and had many votes but did not have electable which is absolute necessity in Pakistani elections to win NA seats.

Even now if elections held tomorrow, he will not able to win majority for sure as most of the electable are not with him and he has to nominate new faces which will not be able to win many seats for him.

 

[Cricket-lion]

Totally agreed. In 2013 elections he put his 101% into winning elections and promised and predicted in each and every show/speech he appeared that he will clean sweep the general elections but in reality he was nothing without the help of army. He was the golden boy that time and had many votes but did not have electable which is absolute necessity in Pakistani elections to win NA seats.

Even now if elections held tomorrow, he will not able to win majority for sure as most of the electable are not with him and he has to nominate new faces which will not be able to win many seats for him.

I do not think you know the ground realities in Pakistan. If Imran Khan gives a bin a ticket, the bin will win against a combined PDM front.

 

[saeedhk]

One thing is for sure, if elections are held any time soon, Khan would clean sweep the elections. He is riding on a massive wave!

 

[MenInG]

One thing is for sure, if elections are held any time soon, Khan would clean sweep the elections. He is riding on a massive wave!

Please explain this to the followers of Sharif and Bhutto.

 

[Cricket-lion]

One thing is for sure, if elections are held any time soon, Khan would clean sweep the elections. He is riding on a massive wave!

I think they are living in a bubble or denying for the sake of it. Imran Khan has swept nearly all election in last 8 months against PDM. It is 15 v 1 and Khan still wins.

 

[Mamoon]

I do not think you know the ground realities in Pakistan. If Imran Khan gives a bin a ticket, the bin will win against a combined PDM front.

That’s all his supporters are left with. He is the most popular, if there is a free & fair election he will win by a landslide etc.

Imran is popular. All cult-leaders and populists are, well, popular. However, the pertinent question is - what has he done with this popularity?

He was elected as PM in 2018. The opposition were deflated, the army was on his side. Three years later it all came crashing down. Why?

All because of his mouth and because of his incapacity to stop looking behind and move forward. He thought he was untouchable and got carried away.

Like I said, his arrogance and narcissism defeated him.

 

[Cricket-lion]

That’s all his supporters are left with. He is the most popular, if there is a free & fair election he will win by a landslide etc.

Imran is popular. All cult-leaders and populists are, well, popular. However, the pertinent question is - what has he done with this popularity?

He was elected as PM in 2018. The opposition were deflated, the army was on his side. Three years later it all came crashing down. Why?

All because of his mouth and because of his incapacity to stop looking behind and move forward. He thought he was untouchable and got carried away.

Like I said, his arrogance and narcissism defeated him.

All that matters is that Khan will get majority vote in the next elections. This is important for Pakistan as his party is the only party that unites the country. Everything else is secondary.

Plus, PDMs performance has been humiliating in the past 8,9 months. The people know realise that Khan was much better. The economy is in tatters as we speak now, this has been the most incompetent performance by any party/partys. There is simply no governance, no policy making and no prosperity for people. I have seen people selling their house furniture to fund their electricity bills, inflation is over whelming for the common person. Statistics do not lie.

 

[Savak]

Lol at the chest humping of the PDM supporters. They are fickle and seem to forget that Pakistani politics is fickle and it doesn't take long for things to change. In 2017-18 Nawaz Sharif was out in the dumps and totally out of favour with the Millitary and today its back in favour. Our history is filled with examples of Millitary chiefs falling out with those prime ministers and presidents who appointed them and i don't expect things to be that rosy at all with the PDM administration and this General Asim Munir who carries the same Raheel Shareef type reputation.

 

[Savak]

PTI is basically an Imran Khan fan club. The people who idolized him as a cricketer followed him into politics.

Over time, Imran realized that the entire nation is not in love with him so in order to win votes, he needs to bribe lota politicians into his party so that he can take advantage of their vote banks.

They were bribed by the various mafias and shady businessman that Imran befriended. They funded him and in return, he promised favors after he wins the election.

These favors included important ministries and protection of their corruption.

He also started polishing boots because he knew he does not stand a chance without their support.

His downfall, as I explained earlier, proved to be his arrogance. He was brought into power by the army but once he came into power, he refused to listen to anyone.

In Imran’s head he is always right and no can question him. If anyone does, he is an enemy. He takes a U-turn on each and everything and you are supposed to believe him before and after the U-turn.

The army was extremely patient with him, they gave him more freedom and leverage than any PM before him but he went too far with his false allegations, accusations and the hatred that he spread in the masses.

After being handed over the federal government in 2018, he should have kept quiet and focused on his performance.

His first speech as PM was wonderful and it felt like he has finally matured, but it just proved to be a drama because he failed to live up to his own words.

Had he kept his mouth shut, PDM would not have been formed, his own past would not have come back to haunt him like this, the army would still be on his side and he would still be the PM with a very good chance of winning another term.

Lol PTI is Imran Khan fan club but PML N is not a Sharif fan club and PPP is not a Bhutto/Zardari fan club?

PML N has lost its foothold in Punjab against PTI in the last 5 years and PPP has been non-existent outside Sindh for the last decade. These parties even with licking boots has been unable to dent the PTI in the recent elections.

 

[Mamoon]

All that matters is that Khan will get majority vote in the next elections. This is important for Pakistan as his party is the only party that unites the country. Everything else is secondary.

Plus, PDMs performance has been humiliating in the past 8,9 months. The people know realise that Khan was much better. The economy is in tatters as we speak now, this has been the most incompetent performance by any party/partys. There is simply no governance, no policy making and no prosperity for people. I have seen people selling their house furniture to fund their electricity bills, inflation is over whelming for the common person. Statistics do not lie.

It doesn’t matter if he gets majority vote. It never matters. You cannot come into power without military backing.

Imran’s last hope was the appointment of a pro Imran COAS which did not happen. This was the final nail in his coffin.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol PTI is Imran Khan fan club but PML N is not a Sharif fan club and PPP is not a Bhutto/Zardari fan club?

PML N has lost its foothold in Punjab against PTI in the last 5 years and PPP has been non-existent outside Sindh for the last decade. These parties even with licking boots has been unable to dent the PTI in the recent elections.

They are also fan clubs but they operate on family names. Family name survives but individuals do not.

People will vote for Bhutto and Sharif family names until the end of time. PTI has no connection with its supporters without Imran Khan.

It is a party that is a fan club of one individual. An individual without a succession plan, without a family name.

PTI has no relevance without Imran Khan and it will not survive in the long-term.

 

[Savak]

They are also fan clubs but they operate on family names. Family name survives but individuals do not.

People will vote for Bhutto and Sharif family names until the end of time. PTI has no connection with its supporters without Imran Khan.

It is a party that is a fan club of one individual. An individual without a succession plan, without a family name.

PTI has no relevance without Imran Khan and it will not survive in the long-term.

If this is true then how come no one votes for PPP in Punjab, KPK, Balochistan, Kashmir, Gilgit?

How come no one votes for PML N in Sindh, KPK, Balochistan, Kashmir, Gilgit? Why have people stopped voting for PML N in Punjab?

How come PTI is getting votes in KPK, Balochistan, Kashmir, Gilgit and Punjab despite the abscence of family name?

 

[Savak]

It doesn’t matter if he gets majority vote. It never matters. You cannot come into power without military backing.

Imran’s last hope was the appointment of a pro Imran COAS which did not happen. This was the final nail in his coffin.

Lol so the Millitary was bad when it supported Imran Khan but good now that it is supporting the PDM? Classic tale of the problematic mindset in the country.

How come IK has the provincial govt in KPK, Punjab, Kashmir, Gilgit even though the millitary is against him. The current situation is only momentary and will be exposed the moment general elections are held in the country and then people like you will start crying and calling the millitary bad for not rescueing the PDM against PTI

 

[Savak]

Even if IK is barred from elections for life and is unable to contest his own seat, people will still vote for PTI based on his name.

 

[da_don]

we will see if anyone votes or the party survives once nawaz and zardari are gone moo point as of now

 

[adi_62941]

Lol so the Millitary was bad when it supported Imran Khan but good now that it is supporting the PDM? Classic tale of the problematic mindset in the country.

How come IK has the provincial govt in KPK, Punjab, Kashmir, Gilgit even though the millitary is against him. The current situation is only momentary and will be exposed the moment general elections are held in the country and then people like you will start crying and calling the millitary bad for not rescueing the PDM against PTI

It can go otherwise also, Army and bajwa was good when they supported PTI and now they are bad when they are not supporting PTI.

Actually PTI follower are immature and living in fake/unrealistic dreams created by their leader IK.

I assume next general elections will be fair one as army has evidently put itself on a side in elections matters, and they have to follow the same in order to gain people sympathy that they are truly neutral.

Next government will be a mixture of different parties and no party will be able to form government on it own. Forget about majority now, from now on Pakistan has to rely on coalition governments

 

[MenInG]

Awami Muslim League chief Sheikh Rashid Ahmed has said that after seven months, he has started to restore relations with the establishment.

Addressing a news conference at Lal Haveli here on Friday, the former interior minister said, “Today is a new dawn, new politics, a new beginning as judo karate is over.”

Rashid said, “All the political parties have congratulated the army chief, including me.”

Rashid said he would leave Lal Haveli at 12pm (today) for Murree Road. “What Imran Khan will announce on Saturday (today) [during the PTI’s long march], will be implemented. A new history of politics is being set in Rawalpindi.”

The AML chief said that the decision of a sit-in and rally will be Imran Khan's as “the government is a complete failure and poor people’s enemy”. “Imran Khan's life is in danger and he is the only one who can solve the economic problems with the support of the people as Pakistan is close to default.”

He said after Saturday’s (today) march, “we will start preparations for elections”.

He claimed that elections were going to be held in April and May as there was no other solution, and if anyone had a solution, “come forward”.

Rashid accused Finance Minister Ishaq Dar of failing, saying that the people were being squeezed by inflation.

He said the political grave of 13 political parties has been dug, adding that he would not let the imported government run away.

“The 13 party parties are also going away. NAB cases will be restored. All of them will go to jail again. Rawalpindi stands by Imran Khan like a rock.”

He said General Qamar Javed Bajwa also said that the economic situation was very serious. “Imran Khan took the best decision as well as the president also took the best decision in a timely manner.”

Rashid said that he had no contact with the establishment for seven months. “Now, I have started to be active … I am standing with Imran Khan. The military is moving away from politics.”

Express Tribune

 

[MenInG]

Gen Nadeem Raza on Friday stepped down as the Cha*irman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee upon his retirement from military service.

“The defence of the country is impregnable and gallant soldiers will not hesitate in making it even more formidable,” Gen Raza said while speaking at a farewell ceremony at Joint Staff Headquarters.

The general, who served in the army for 41 years, said he discharged his duties “to the best of his abilities with honesty, justice and dignity”.

The ceremony, attended by senior officers of the three services and former chairmen of the joint chiefs of staff committee, marked the beginning of the transition in the army after the retirement of two four-star generals.

DAWN

 

[Major]

Faiz Hameed is going for early retirement )

Anyone who sided with PTI, at the end they only perished along with their leader who became the first ever pm to lose the peoples confidence.

Pakistan tehreek nainsaf

 

[Major]

It can go otherwise also, Army and bajwa was good when they supported PTI and now they are bad when they are not supporting PTI.

Actually PTI follower are immature and living in fake/unrealistic dreams created by their leader IK.

I assume next general elections will be fair one as army has evidently put itself on a side in elections matters, and they have to follow the same in order to gain people sympathy that they are truly neutral.

Next government will be a mixture of different parties and no party will be able to form government on it own. Forget about majority now, from now on Pakistan has to rely on coalition governments

they dont accept the rigging that took place in 2018. Dawn has created reports and has even reported how different politicains and generals accepted their involvment.

Parvez Elahi used to cry the most that Shuja Pasha as an ISI chief was soo much involved in politics that he was helping PTI with stealing candidates.

This has happening since 2013, and now when Bajwa turned against them, every single one of them is crying

 

[Bewal Express]

they dont accept the rigging that took place in 2018. Dawn has created reports and has even reported how different politicains and generals accepted their involvment.

Parvez Elahi used to cry the most that Shuja Pasha as an ISI chief was soo much involved in politics that he was helping PTI with stealing candidates.

This has happening since 2013, and now when Bajwa turned against them, every single one of them is crying

Rigging took place against the PTI, just ask your friend [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. We lost around 20 seats and all done to create a weak govt. Remember the rona of Billo about rigging but no cases registered with a an ECP which they own and does exactly what's it told, to the point of holding or not holding elections depending what's needed by the mafia. Rigging( and intimidation) is the only reason the PPP are still holding Sindh hostage. In any fully democratic country Billo would be cleaning toilets and going around on milk floats during the carnival.

 

[Major]

Rigging took place against the PTI, just ask your friend [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. We lost around 20 seats and all done to create a weak govt. Remember the rona of Billo about rigging but no cases registered with a an ECP which they own and does exactly what's it told, to the point of holding or not holding elections depending what's needed by the mafia. Rigging( and intimidation) is the only reason the PPP are still holding Sindh hostage. In any fully democratic country Billo would be cleaning toilets and going around on milk floats during the carnival.

Your own Parvez Elahi accepts rigging in favour of PTI. Bajwa himself admitted in his last speech that the army was influencing politically.

There are 20k votes that got cancelled out in favor of PTI.

So plz lets move on form this argument, as its a very old argument.

As for toilets, we all saw Imran faking his own assassination and as a PM tried to steal watches. Petty Thief

 

[Bewal Express]

Your own Parvez Elahi accepts rigging in favour of PTI. Bajwa himself admitted in his last speech that the army was influencing politically.

There are 20k votes that got cancelled out in favor of PTI.

So plz lets move on form this argument, as its a very old argument.

As for toilets, we all saw Imran faking his own assassination and as a PM tried to steal watches. Petty Thief

So if this was the case then why didnt the Mafia take the cases to the ECP? The ECP belongs to them, they own it as shown over and over again, but not a single case. And have you forgotten Rana and others winning when the RTS suddenly broke down. The reality you and your thugs cant fathom is that due to a new set of voters commonly called the youth bulge, your crooks have no mandate and never will. Hence they rely totally on the people that has always saved them- the establishment. But the problem is that in the era of the social media they too have fallen, so all the treacherous rats are on the same boat.

 

[Bewal Express]

Your own Parvez Elahi accepts rigging in favour of PTI. Bajwa himself admitted in his last speech that the army was influencing politically.

There are 20k votes that got cancelled out in favor of PTI.

So plz lets move on form this argument, as its a very old argument.

As for toilets, we all saw Imran faking his own assassination and as a PM tried to steal watches. Petty Thief

You desperation is for all to see. A man like you put your faith in a guy that cant string a sentence in Urdu, has no support, so much so, that he had to pay people to join his pathetic attempt at a long march and then kill people that exposed him. And as you desperately clutching at straws, well you really have hot rock bottom with your fake assassination attempt. I see your pain as you look for reasons to support you crooked murderers

 

[adi_62941]

they dont accept the rigging that took place in 2018. Dawn has created reports and has even reported how different politicains and generals accepted their involvment.

Parvez Elahi used to cry the most that Shuja Pasha as an ISI chief was soo much involved in politics that he was helping PTI with stealing candidates.

This has happening since 2013, and now when Bajwa turned against them, every single one of them is crying

Election riggins is a big reality. Some time it happens on macro level like in 2018 elections and sometimes only on some important seats like in 2013 elections.
I have my friends from army admitting openly to help Imran Khan get more votes in Sindh, Punjab etc. And they said they have instructions from their seniors to provide assistance for IK

Moreover, next general elections will be very crucial as establishment will not put their hands in elections and will not influence anyone in order to remain neutral. Our politicians have to show some dignity now and will have to accept the results. I know Imran Khan has started building the narrative of 2/3 majority in general elections which is not possible practically which looks like a perfect repeat of 2013 elections where he promised so much and results were otherwise and he found a way to protest and bring anarchy. He will do the same in 2023 elections if he did nt get the clear majority which shows the immaturity on his part and our establishment will enjoy it while sitting behind