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He will go down in the same vein as Kallis.

A great on excel sheets only.
 
I still maintain is was a decent innings. SA didn't lose because of Hash - they lost because of Smith, Kallis and Duminy who all should have done better.
 
hafeezrocks said:
Playing 35 dot balls in a run a ball chase is a good innings ? Turning a 6 req rate into 9 rep rate and then putting pressure on his team mates is a good innings ?
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In the overall context, yes. Not excellent or match winning obviously, but still good. He could have played slightly better towards the end but didn't. Doesn't warrant all this vitriol

However, someone who has "hafeezrocks" as their sn probably doesn't know/give two hoots about batsmanship.
 
kungfu90 said:
Don't hate Amla but this line from an Amla devotee makes my day. :yk:yk:yk
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haha amla devote??

its u lot who made god out of sachin

we don't put amla anywhere close to anything above a normal human being


now go cry a river over Bangladesh lost on that 100th ton
 
it may hav been a bad innings
a choke innings
anything

but a selfish innings

look at the shot he got out to
he is anything but selfish
sure I agree it wasn't a match winning innings...but far from anything selfish
 
bill_123 said:
haha amla devote??

its u lot who made god out of sachin

we don't put amla anywhere close to anything above a normal human being


now go cry a river over Bangladesh lost on that 100th ton
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:))) :))) :)))

Grown ups don't cry over games.

Now don't get too emotional over a missed 100. He'll get it some other day. :yk
 
bill_123 said:
amla haters are having a field day

good good
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because he is the only one left to target today these haters were on a field day for junaid and ajmal before but unfortunately they performed again to shut the mouths of the haters.


wait for their next target in next match
 
bill_123 said:
it may hav been a bad innings
a choke innings
anything

but a selfish innings
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No, it was not a selfish inning. That will be pushing it.

It's simply a skill issue. He doesn't have some of the shots which he can play to up the tempo when bowling is tight but I would have liked him to try to play some shots as soon as AB got out. SA would have been in a better position even if he would have gotten out in first ball immediately after AB was dismissed. SA had so many wickets in hand.

Problem with Amla is mainly playing with the same attitude no matter if it is first 20 overs or last 5 overs. I understand he doesn't have some shots which makes it difficult for him but he could have tried.

He is still one of the best batsman in ODI. He has his limitations but SA will still take 50 runs in 60 balls from Amla. More ofthen than not , it will result in a win for SA. He doesn't have to be the best in the world to be useful for SA.
 
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This thread has serious potential. I'll be sure to come back after the South Africa vs India series.
 
Inziquicksingle said:
Hey Itachi you seem pretty confident. Lets do a simple good ol' signature bet for the up coming India-SA ODI series.

If Kohli scores more runs than Amla I will change my signature for a month to "Kohli is a better batsman than Amla". If Amla out scores Kohli then you must change yours to "Amla is a better batsman than Kohli" for a month.

Obviously we can add more stipulations like they should play an equal number of innings for the bet to be valid (eg. If Amla bats in the first innings and the second innings is washed out then the bet becomes null and void...etc etc)

Let me know if you're up for the challenge. I'm sure you won't decline :)
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Itachi said:
challenge accepted :)
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challenge is on right?
 
This thread is hilarious. Indian batsmen are only good on flat tracks especially Rohit sharma, he was made to look like a tailender and people here was saying he's better then Amla in ODIs. Rohit had a wonderful strike rate today
 
It was an ordinary innings from Amla but he's leading 1-0 so far nonetheless because he score more runs.
 
Mamoon_ said:
It was an ordinary innings from Amla but he's leading 1-0 so far nonetheless because he score more runs.
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mamoon no way they were going to score 360 without the base provided by amla lets be honest here even not against indian bowling and just look at kock how comfortable he is playing with a seasoned player like amla.

This is what Pakistan need experienced batsman to groom youngsters.
 
Strike Rate said:
mamoon no way they were going to score 360 without the base provided by amla lets be honest here even not against indian bowling and just look at kock how comfortable he is playing with a seasoned player like amla.

This is what Pakistan need experienced batsman to groom youngsters.
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Misbah is there and everyone gets to bat alongside him but it seems like they tend to throw their wicket away once a batsman score a fifty. :misbah needs to play another two to three years to groom the youngsters
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Misbah is there and everyone gets to bat alongside him but it seems like they tend to throw their wicket away once a batsman score a fifty. :misbah needs to play another two to three years to groom the youngsters
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well said dude

and where is the 1000 takkas you lost to me? kohli got out before 50 remember the bet?
 
Strike Rate said:
mamoon no way they were going to score 360 without the base provided by amla lets be honest here even not against indian bowling and just look at kock how comfortable he is playing with a seasoned player like amla.

This is what Pakistan need experienced batsman to groom youngsters.
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Amla is excellent but he needs to take responsibility himself for once.

He is always banking on his team mates to take the team to a big total.

Anchor roles are useful but none of the great batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara, Viv Richards etc etc played the anchor role. They took control of the game which Amla doesn't.

I know that isn't his style but it counts against him.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Amla is excellent but he needs to take responsibility himself for once.

He is always banking on his team mates to take the team to a big total.

Anchor roles are useful but none of the great batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara, Viv Richards etc etc played the anchor role. They took control of the game which Amla doesn't.

I know that isn't his style but it counts against him.
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he is playing slow these days which is not his natural game in odi i know he is not a big hitter but he always try to keep up the strike rate and since miller duminy mclaren de kock etc are added in the one day team i think he is given the role to anchor the innings because this team is full of hitters now and they need someone to anchor the innings kallis is just playing third match this year and no way is going to continue in odi and smith also not there so amla is the next anchor man for them.
 
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Mamoon_ said:
He is always banking on his team mates to take the team to a big total.

Anchor roles are useful but none of the great batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara, Viv Richards etc etc played the anchor role. They took control of the game which Amla doesn't.
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Do you have any evidence to support this? By that I mean facts, figures, scorecards etc. Not statements and opinions and whims.

Since Amla's ODI debut, how many batsman have averaged over 40 with a SR over 90? Forget about averaging over 50 for now.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Amla is excellent but he needs to take responsibility himself for once.

He is always banking on his team mates to take the team to a big total.

Anchor roles are useful but none of the great batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara, Viv Richards etc etc played the anchor role. They took control of the game which Amla doesn't.

I know that isn't his style but it counts against him.
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For once? Check out his innings against England last year. 150 at a SR of 120+ with South Africa scoring 280 odd.

Check his innings against us earlier this when he along with ABD pummeled our attack into the ground.

He has scored more than 20% of South Africa's runs for a couple of years now, there was a thread on this. 20%! If that isn't taking control, I don't know what is, man.

He's been forced to take the anchor role on in the last couple of games since him being out there is crucial for South Africa. Had he scored a 30 off 20 balls today, there is no way 350 was on the cards.
 
Would just like to say that that flicked six was one of the best shots that I have seen in a long time. Reminded me of Saeed Anwar.
 
It was nice, travelled pretty far too for a flick.

Doesn't beat this one though:

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^ One of the best batsmen to watch. Plays some superb shots.
 
Played a great knock on a tough pitch today. Mentored the youngster too. I said this was a different surface to the usual Wanders belter. You had to settle before playing attacking strokes.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Amla is excellent but he needs to take responsibility himself for once.

He is always banking on his team mates to take the team to a big total.

Anchor roles are useful but none of the great batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara, Viv Richards etc etc played the anchor role. They took control of the game which Amla doesn't.

I know that isn't his style but it counts against him.
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Wow, so you expect Amla to have game like those batsmen? How many in last 30 years have played like them? You can't expect even a very good batsman to play like those guys. Amla is couple of notches below those guys but he does a great job for his team. He plays one way but gets 50 runs in 60 balls very frequently. SA without Amla will struggle a lot in both formats.
 
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Mamoon is hilarious.

He'd prefer Bell and Anderson over Amla and Steyn.

I guess you have to commend him for his out of the box thinking.

That said he is right in that Amla never really looks like he is there to finish the opposition or the game off.

But i guess in ODIs you can't expect an opener to be there until the end anyway.
 
chacha kashmiri said:
His s/r of 73 really set back SA today, without it they might have got 400
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Nope. The platform that he helped set was the difference between the two sides. Without that 150+ opening stand, things would have been a lot different.
 
There is no justification for a strike rate of 72 in match like yesterday.

For once, please stand up yourself, but his average has been boosted in ODIs so job done. He will look a great ODI batsman now when he isn't even in the top 3.

Another great on paper (in ODIs only, awesome in Tests). :kallis
 
Mamoon_ said:
There is no justification for a strike rate of 72 in match like yesterday.

For once, please stand up yourself, but his average has been boosted in ODIs so job done. He will look a great ODI batsman now when he isn't even in the top 3.

Another great on paper (in ODIs only, awesome in Tests). :kallis
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Your selective use of stats is always lol worthy.

You criticize his 72 SR but have never acknowledged or have any answer to his overall 90 SR.

It's very obvious you're not here to have a discussion, but just rinse and repeat a baseless rhetoric that Amla is not an effective ODI batsman, when in fact all evidence points to the opposite.
 
His strokeplay is not as confident as it was prior to playing so much against Pakistan. Irfan and Ajmal have troubled him the most. SA don't really need explosive players. Duminy, Miller, Quinton, AB are all aggressive batsmen. Kallis won't be around for much longer and Amla can fill his role in the near future.
 
Mamoon_ said:
There is no justification for a strike rate of 72 in match like yesterday.

For once, please stand up yourself, but his average has been boosted in ODIs so job done. He will look a great ODI batsman now when he isn't even in the top 3.

Another great on paper (in ODIs only, awesome in Tests). :kallis
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Well I can understand that you are a big critic of Amla for a good time, but you should learn to appreciate that innings of his. First of all this was not a 350+ run pitch, regardless of the opposition. When the ball is new, there will be quite a bit of swing for the new bowlers and Amla tried to see of the 2 new balls and provide an anchor role whilst Kock was going all guns blazing.

The significance of his innings was that when SA had 20 overs remaining, they had good amount of runs on the boards and a lot of overs left which meant they could play freely and hence SA were able to score a huge amount of runs in the last few overs
 
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Inziquicksingle said:
Your selective use of stats is always lol worthy.

You criticize his 72 SR but have never acknowledged or have any answer to his overall 90 SR.

It's very obvious you're not here to have a discussion, but just rinse and repeat a baseless rhetoric that Amla is not an effective ODI batsman, when in fact all evidence points to the opposite.
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Lol I've read posters on here like Dhoni and Mamoon argue that his strike rate is inflated.

I struggle to see how a strike rate can be inflated. If you're striking at 90 you're striking at 90. End of.
 
Itachi can win tomorrow Hashim Amla hasn't enjoyed his home durban much. In 4 ODIs here, he has managed only 109 runs, which is still better than his Test average of 21 at a durban.
 
Inziquicksingle said:
Hey Itachi you seem pretty confident. Lets do a simple good ol' signature bet for the up coming India-SA ODI series.

If Kohli scores more runs than Amla I will change my signature for a month to "Kohli is a better batsman than Amla". If Amla out scores Kohli then you must change yours to "Amla is a better batsman than Kohli" for a month.

Obviously we can add more stipulations like they should play an equal number of innings for the bet to be valid (eg. If Amla bats in the first innings and the second innings is washed out then the bet becomes null and void...etc etc)

Let me know if you're up for the challenge. I'm sure you won't decline :)
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Itachi said:
challenge accepted :)
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Round 1 is done and dusted with Amla leading the race.:amla :kohli
Hashim Amla-65 runs
Virat Kohli-31 runs

2 more to go and we shall see.:amir
 
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Saqs said:
Lol I've read posters on here like Dhoni and Mamoon argue that his strike rate is inflated.

I struggle to see how a strike rate can be inflated. If you're striking at 90 you're striking at 90. End of.
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one of #MamoonLogics
 
Saqs said:
Lol I've read posters on here like Dhoni and Mamoon argue that his strike rate is inflated.

I struggle to see how a strike rate can be inflated. If you're striking at 90 you're striking at 90. End of.
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A joke really.
 
I have to agree that your strike rate is what it is. Amla's strike rate is 90 and it isn't inflated. :amla

But it is different in Afridi's case- He may hit a four or six first ball and then get out next ball;which leaves him with a strike rate of 200/300. And who can forget the trademark 0(1).:afridi
 
Hashim Amla's decline in ODIs

Saqs said:
Lol I've read posters on here like Dhoni and Mamoon argue that his strike rate is inflated.

I struggle to see how a strike rate can be inflated. If you're striking at 90 you're striking at 90. End of.
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1. I request you to use my complete user ID or my name (in threads that I haven´t posted yet) so that I don´t miss out on the mentions. I just checked it randomly and saw myself being mentioned here. :)

2. Read my posts again in that thread and it will give a clearer idea of what I said:

DHONI183 said:
..... The point that has been raised in some other thread that he can´t change gears to play according to the situation is a valid one.....
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^ http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=6292289&postcount=191 ^

DHONI183 said:
I have seen that the averages of some batsmen are disputed and considered to be misleading, but Hashim Amla is the only batsman in the history of mankind whose batting strike-rate is perhaps somewhat misleading.....
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^ http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=6294308&postcount=193 ^

DHONI183 said:
.... What I meant by saying that his strike-rate is misleading was the inability to play big shots.

Scorecard:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2010/engine/match/463154.html

Now, the aforementioned match is an example of what I am saying. Despite having scored a century already and being the set batsman, in a 46-over game, Hashim Amla faced just 15 balls of the last six overs scoring only 13 off them. He didn´t go for the big shots, failed to shield the tail-enders as his team lost nine wickets. The great man himself occupied the non-striker´s end to remain unbeaten/undismissed.

Again, just my personal opinion. I still respect the man as a player and as a person.
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^ http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=6298447&postcount=207 ^

And lastly of course, people are likely to disagree, which I know already.
 
Strike rate is just an average and averages can be misleading because they don't exactly show the highs and the lows. They add the highs and lows and present a mean.

A batsman who scores 50 in every Test innings will also average 50.

On paper, you'd say that he's a great Test batsman because he averages 50 but in truth, he'd be a mediocre Test batsman.

Amla, in spite of not having a great high(s), his strike rate is excellent which suggests that he doesn't have enough lows.

Amla is a consistent accumulator who goes about his business at run a ball, quietly.

Now taking a 6 scratchy, edged singles in an over or hitting a 100m six and 5 dots will have the same end result - rune rate of 6 but hitting a massive six is going to demolarize the bowler a lot more than 6 dodgy singles.

Amla in spite of maintaining a splendid strike rate, is never completely in control of the situation has an air of vulnerability around him.

He is never dominating and doesn't possess that killer instinct that the likes of de Villiers, Kohli and Dhoni do.

When they walk onto the pitch, there's that fear factor which Amla doesn't give you even if he's batting for 30 overs because you know that Amla is not going to grab the game by the scruff of the neck because of his subtle demeanour.

Would you rather dismiss in a tense chase and when the game is slipping away from you? Amla or de Villiers?

de Villiers because he is just more threatening. He is going to change the game in a matter of 3 overs like he did in the 2nd ODI vs Pakistan for example. Something Amla is not going to do.

Amla will go at a strike rate of around 90-95 from the word go, mostly comprimising of singles, doubles and a few boundaries with rare sixes.

Someone like de Villiers and Dhoni will make a less fluent start, but they are suddenly going strike at over 250-300 for a period of 15-20 balls which will kill you. This is what makes them so dangerous.

You cannot be the best unless you are also the most dangerous and threatening.

Kohli is also more of an accumulator like Amla but he has this "I got this" attitude every time he comes onto bat or has a 300+ score to chase.

Every run he scores has a purpose. You can see that he's a man on a mission.

Yes he did it at home, but what are the chances of Amla shooting down two mega totals by scoring a 50 ball and a 60 ball hundred in the space of few days even at home or even in India?

Amla doesn't have the confidence, attitude or approach of a 90 strike rate batsman.

Him and Kohli, Dhoni, de Villiers all have very similar strike rates, but the affect and threat those three possess, Amla simply doesn't come close to that which is why he doesn't make my top 3 in ODIs and which is why his strike rate is misleading.
 
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In this thread we have a poster trying to convince us that being consistently good is somehow detrimental to a players impact. That having the odd innings which keeps their SR up is better than consistently performing match after match.

Also, comparing Amla to Dhoni and De Villiers is illogical. He is an opener. 95% of the time he doesn't need to stay till the end. No opener in ODI history has done what you criticize Amla for. The comparison with Kohli is more accurate but if WebGuru or WL could find and post stats as to what is the average score when Kohli walks in I bet it would give us a much better idea of his role vs Amla's.

Amla does an OPENERS job almost perfectly in ODIS. He never needs to play an Afridi or De Villiers type blitz simply because there's no need to. Averaging 53 and striking at 90+ screams out loud that he is one of the best.
 
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^Its not about the role, it is about who you will have in your team.

I will have de Villiers, Kohli and Dhoni in their respective roles any time over Amla in his respective role.

IMO, Amla is the best Test batsman in the world. No doubt about that but I don't buy him nor his approach when it comes to ODIs.
 
Mamoon_ said:
^Its not about the role, it is about who you will have in your team.

I will have de Villiers, Kohli and Dhoni in their respective roles any time over Amla in his respective role.

IMO, Amla is the best Test batsman in the world. No doubt about that but I don't buy him nor his approach when it comes to ODIs.
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There is no opening batsman currently playing who I will pick over Amla. Likewise, Kohli, ABD and Dhoni will make my ODI world XI as well.

There is no set method of determining whether or not Amla in his position is more valuable than those other bats in their positions.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Strike rate is just an average and averages can be misleading because they don't exactly show the highs and the lows. They add the highs and lows and present a mean.

A batsman who scores 50 in every Test innings will also average 50.

On paper, you'd say that he's a great Test batsman because he averages 50 but in truth, he'd be a mediocre Test batsman.

Amla, in spite of not having a great high(s), his strike rate is excellent which suggests that he doesn't have enough lows.

Amla is a consistent accumulator who goes about his business at run a ball, quietly.

Now taking a 6 scratchy, edged singles in an over or hitting a 100m six and 5 dots will have the same end result - rune rate of 6 but hitting a massive six is going to demolarize the bowler a lot more than 6 dodgy singles.

Amla in spite of maintaining a splendid strike rate, is never completely in control of the situation has an air of vulnerability around him.

He is never dominating and doesn't possess that killer instinct that the likes of de Villiers, Kohli and Dhoni do.

When they walk onto the pitch, there's that fear factor which Amla doesn't give you even if he's batting for 30 overs because you know that Amla is not going to grab the game by the scruff of the neck because of his subtle demeanour.

Would you rather dismiss in a tense chase and when the game is slipping away from you? Amla or de Villiers?

de Villiers because he is just more threatening. He is going to change the game in a matter of 3 overs like he did in the 2nd ODI vs Pakistan for example. Something Amla is not going to do.

Amla will go at a strike rate of around 90-95 from the word go, mostly comprimising of singles, doubles and a few boundaries with rare sixes.

Someone like de Villiers and Dhoni will make a less fluent start, but they are suddenly going strike at over 250-300 for a period of 15-20 balls which will kill you. This is what makes them so dangerous.

You cannot be the best unless you are also the most dangerous and threatening.

Kohli is also more of an accumulator like Amla but he has this "I got this" attitude every time he comes onto bat or has a 300+ score to chase.

Every run he scores has a purpose. You can see that he's a man on a mission.

Yes he did it at home, but what are the chances of Amla shooting down two mega totals by scoring a 50 ball and a 60 ball hundred in the space of few days even at home or even in India?

Amla doesn't have the confidence, attitude or approach of a 90 strike rate batsman.

Him and Kohli, Dhoni, de Villiers all have very similar strike rates, but the affect and threat those three possess, Amla simply doesn't come close to that which is why he doesn't make my top 3 in ODIs and which is why his strike rate is misleading.
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A post filled with speculation and subjectivity. I can claim that all of your claims are false.
 
Bilal7 said:
There is no opening batsman currently playing who I will pick over Amla. Likewise, Kohli, ABD and Dhoni will make my ODI world XI as well.

There is no set method of determining whether or not Amla in his position is more valuable than those other bats in their positions.
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I dont why people compare batsmen of different position to each other. It's like comparing Sachin of 90s with Bevan.
 
Ian Bell >>>>>>>> Hashiim Amla

Indian phaast bowlers will make Amla dance on that green top tommorow.
 
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Mamoon_ said:
Strike rate is just an average and averages can be misleading because they don't exactly show the highs and the lows. They add the highs and lows and present a mean.

A batsman who scores 50 in every Test innings will also average 50.

On paper, you'd say that he's a great Test batsman because he averages 50 but in truth, he'd be a mediocre Test batsman.

Amla, in spite of not having a great high(s), his strike rate is excellent which suggests that he doesn't have enough lows.

Amla is a consistent accumulator who goes about his business at run a ball, quietly.

Now taking a 6 scratchy, edged singles in an over or hitting a 100m six and 5 dots will have the same end result - rune rate of 6 but hitting a massive six is going to demolarize the bowler a lot more than 6 dodgy singles.

Amla in spite of maintaining a splendid strike rate, is never completely in control of the situation has an air of vulnerability around him.

He is never dominating and doesn't possess that killer instinct that the likes of de Villiers, Kohli and Dhoni do.

When they walk onto the pitch, there's that fear factor which Amla doesn't give you even if he's batting for 30 overs because you know that Amla is not going to grab the game by the scruff of the neck because of his subtle demeanour.

Would you rather dismiss in a tense chase and when the game is slipping away from you? Amla or de Villiers?

de Villiers because he is just more threatening. He is going to change the game in a matter of 3 overs like he did in the 2nd ODI vs Pakistan for example. Something Amla is not going to do.

Amla will go at a strike rate of around 90-95 from the word go, mostly comprimising of singles, doubles and a few boundaries with rare sixes.

Someone like de Villiers and Dhoni will make a less fluent start, but they are suddenly going strike at over 250-300 for a period of 15-20 balls which will kill you. This is what makes them so dangerous.

You cannot be the best unless you are also the most dangerous and threatening.

Kohli is also more of an accumulator like Amla but he has this "I got this" attitude every time he comes onto bat or has a 300+ score to chase.

Every run he scores has a purpose. You can see that he's a man on a mission.

Yes he did it at home, but what are the chances of Amla shooting down two mega totals by scoring a 50 ball and a 60 ball hundred in the space of few days even at home or even in India?

Amla doesn't have the confidence, attitude or approach of a 90 strike rate batsman.

Him and Kohli, Dhoni, de Villiers all have very similar strike rates, but the affect and threat those three possess, Amla simply doesn't come close to that which is why he doesn't make my top 3 in ODIs and which is why his strike rate is misleading.
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So the gist of your post is he doesn't hit enough sixes for your liking.

If I'm a bowler I get more demoralised by a batsman sneaking singles at will than a batsman who plays out some dots and then goes for a big heave for a six.

And the batsman you describe who strikes 90 odd with sixes will typically be hitting some dot balls in a typical over and then a boundary. If anything that strike rate is inflated. Not the strike rate of an Amla or Yousuf who are actually scoring at a run a ball.

And Rawal bhai. He switched his game from tests to ODIs. How much mate versatility do you guys need in a batsman? Nobody thought he'd get the stats he has in ODIs. He averages 50+ at 90+
 
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Mamoon_ said:
^Its not about the role, it is about who you will have in your team.

I will have de Villiers, Kohli and Dhoni in their respective roles any time over Amla in his respective role.

IMO, Amla is the best Test batsman in the world. No doubt about that but I don't buy him nor his approach when it comes to ODIs.
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So you don't believe in an anchor role which anchors at a SR of 90+?

Or you don't believe in looking for singles here and there with some fours vs going for big sixes?
 
Saqs said:
So you don't believe in an anchor role which anchors at a SR of 90+?

Or you don't believe in looking for singles here and there with some fours vs going for big sixes?
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remember 900 runs on english pitches by amla in last tour? 400 of them were in boundaries i mean 100 boundaries is something really special in one tour i just dont know what some people want to see maybe a six in every over and some boom boom cards in the crowd?
 
Sixes are overrated. A lot more risk with only two extra runs added when compared to the good old fashioned four.
 
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I really want to hear what people expect from him.

He is not your explosive Sehwag or Warner.

But he makes the opposition bleed runs like no other.

I've played the game for many years and I know for certain which type of batsman I'd rather see the back of. I know the batsman I'd rather be bowling to.
 
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Sixes are overrated. A lot more risk with only two extra runs added when compared to the good old fashioned four.
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Kallis has more Test 6's than Ponting and Tendulkar in less innings. He must be more aggressive than them as per logic
 
Hashim Amla's decline in ODIs

Saqs said:
And Rawal bhai. He switched his game from tests to ODIs. How much mate versatility do you guys need in a batsman? Nobody thought he'd get the stats he has in ODIs. He averages 50+ at 90+
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Fair comment. I would never sit him out (who am I to do that anyway?) but just feel that whether as an opening batsman, a middle or a lower order batsman, I would not rate him higher than some of the other batsmen of the current age such as AB de Villiers, Virat Kohli, MS Dhoni etc. However, firstly, I am very likely to be bias against Hashim Amla him based on the fact that I personally do not enjoy his batting in ODI cricket, and secondly it is perhaps a bit unfair to a player to look at him by comparing him with others.

My other problem is that he hasn´t quite produced too many extra ordinary innings in his career in which he has turned the game on its head etc. - at least I don´t remember too many of such. I would call him an accumulator despite the strike rate of 90, and again, I am ready to admit that my conclusion may sound a bit harsh.

All in all, even if my above points fail to make much sense to most of you, the thing that counts personally for me is that I do not enjoy his batting in ODI cricket. Sometimes one just has to admit about his own personal preference instead of arguing for hours to make points and arguments. His transformation from Test cricket to ODI cricket has indeed been a tremendous story of success which I must admit.
 
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Fair comment. I would never sit him out (who am I to do that anyway?) but just feel that whether as an opening batsman, a middle or a lower order batsman, I would not rate him higher than some of the other batsmen of the current age such as AB de Villiers, Virat Kohli, MS Dhoni etc. However, firstly, I am very likely to be bias against Hashim Amla him based on the fact that I personally do not enjoy his batting in ODI cricket, and secondly it is perhaps a bit unfair to a player to look at him by comparing him with others.

My other problem is that he hasn´t quite produced too many extra ordinary innings in his career in which he has turned the game on its head etc. - at least I don´t remember too many of such. I would call him an accumulator despite the strike rate of 90, and again, I am ready to admit that my conclusion may sound a bit harsh.

All in all, even if my above points fail to make much sense to most of you, the thing that counts personally for me is that I do not enjoy his batting in ODI cricket. Sometimes one just has to admit about his own personal preference instead of arguing for hours to make points and arguments. His transformation from Test cricket to ODI cricket has indeed been a tremendous story of success which I must admit.
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i think its a fair enough post. Its when people try to shove baseless opinions down others throats as if stating facts.
Despite coming with data to the contrary they start trolling and setting different parameters and changing goal posts. If you dont enjoy his batting you dont. No can force you
 
DHONI183 said:
Fair comment. I would never sit him out (who am I to do that anyway?) but just feel that whether as an opening batsman, a middle or a lower order batsman, I would not rate him higher than some of the other batsmen of the current age such as AB de Villiers, Virat Kohli, MS Dhoni etc. However, firstly, I am very likely to be bias against Hashim Amla him based on the fact that I personally do not enjoy his batting in ODI cricket, and secondly it is perhaps a bit unfair to a player to look at him by comparing him with others.

My other problem is that he hasn´t quite produced too many extra ordinary innings in his career in which he has turned the game on its head etc. - at least I don´t remember too many of such. I would call him an accumulator despite the strike rate of 90, and again, I am ready to admit that my conclusion may sound a bit harsh.

All in all, even if my above points fail to make much sense to most of you, the thing that counts personally for me is that I do not enjoy his batting in ODI cricket. Sometimes one just has to admit about his own personal preference instead of arguing for hours to make points and arguments. His transformation from Test cricket to ODI cricket has indeed been a tremendous story of success which I must admit.
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fair enough and i like it that you described it differently instead of going into arguments for hours to make points and arguments and yes we all are biased.
 
Re: Hashim Amla's decline in ODIs

DHONI183 said:
Fair comment. I would never sit him out (who am I to do that anyway?) but just feel that whether as an opening batsman, a middle or a lower order batsman, I would not rate him higher than some of the other batsmen of the current age such as AB de Villiers, Virat Kohli, MS Dhoni etc. However, firstly, I am very likely to be bias against Hashim Amla him based on the fact that I personally do not enjoy his batting in ODI cricket, and secondly it is perhaps a bit unfair to a player to look at him by comparing him with others.

My other problem is that he hasn´t quite produced too many extra ordinary innings in his career in which he has turned the game on its head etc. - at least I don´t remember too many of such. I would call him an accumulator despite the strike rate of 90, and again, I am ready to admit that my conclusion may sound a bit harsh.

All in all, even if my above points fail to make much sense to most of you, the thing that counts personally for me is that I do not enjoy his batting in ODI cricket. Sometimes one just has to admit about his own personal preference instead of arguing for hours to make points and arguments. His transformation from Test cricket to ODI cricket has indeed been a tremendous story of success which I must admit.
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Fair enough that you don't enjoy it. But even then to label him an accumulator is a bit unfair.

If he is an accumulator then he is the accumulator with the most flair I've ever seen.

I already agree with you though that Amla hardly finishes games off nor completely turns ODIs on their head. But that isn't his role
 
Hashim Amla's decline in ODIs

Saqs said:
But even then to label him an accumulator is a bit unfair.

If he is an accumulator then he is the accumulator with the most flair I've ever seen.
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I am ready to accept that the use of this adjective might have been a bit harsh and again it is perhaps more down to my personal choice, but let me explain a bit below.....

Saqs said:
I already agree with you though that Amla hardly finishes games off nor completely turns ODIs on their head. But that isn't his role
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Being an opener, finishing off matches is not quite his job perhaps and let´s just treat his innings against Pakistan in the second ODI recently as a one off, but 'turning games on its head' is a different thing and it can be done by players batting at any number, and openers like Sanath Jayasuriya, Adam Gilchrist etc. come to my mind as examples.
 
So, here we go : fastest to get 4000 ODI runs, in 81 innings as compared to :viv's 88.

Currently on 59* @ SR of 92.
 
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So he surpasses Viv Richards' record in his decline? Wonder what he'd be like in his peak... Truly a great batsman.
 
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