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Re: Hashim Amla's decline in ODIs

DHONI183 said:
I am ready to accept that the use of this adjective might have been a bit harsh and again it is perhaps more down to my personal choice, but let me explain a bit below.....



Being an opener, finishing off matches is not quite his job perhaps and let´s just treat his innings against Pakistan in the second ODI recently as a one off, but 'turning games on its head' is a different thing and it can be done by players batting at any number, and openers like Sanath Jayasuriya, Adam Gilchrist etc. come to my mind as examples.
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Yes but if we were to judge everyone on that one criteria alone (turning a game on its head) then you will only end up with a few good batsman that have ever played the game.

It's like judging a bowler based on crazy peaks (turning games on their head) rather than consistently getting wickets at a great average and strike rate. So by this criteria a bowler like McGrath wouldn't be as good as say a Mitch Johnson because one rips through batting orders every once in a while and the other accumulates his wickets like a machine.
 
Re: Hashim Amla's decline in ODIs

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But his strike rate is inflated because he has only 8 4s and no 6s
 
Mamoon is always wrong and that's because he can't judge the game efficiently.

Amla is class.
 
Saqs said:
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But his strike rate is inflated because he has only 8 4s and no 6s
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and in his 100 he got 58 singles and 5 doubles! everyone should learn how to build an innings from this guy without dropping strike rate
 
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Pakistani probabaly like him for his beard and muslim name. otherwise not a free flowing batsman. cant hit big shots at will.
 
Class player. Strangely he seemed to get a lot of support on PP just because he is a muslim and a lot of negativity directed at him on PP because people support him because he is a muslim.

Strip all of that away and look at the man and his batting and theres no doubt he is a class act.
 
hahahahahaha bilal

WHERE IS ITACHI HAHAHAAHAHA

INZISINGLE HAS ALMOST WON THE BET HAHAAHAHAHAHA
 
so kohli need to score like 134 in next match and amla 0 if itachi want to win the bet :)))
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Class player. Strangely he seemed to get a lot of support on PP just because he is a muslim and a lot of negativity directed at him on PP because people support him because he is a muslim.

Strip all of that away and look at the man and his batting and theres no doubt he is a class act.
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Agreed.
 
Good job OP! Surprising you have so little confidence in Kohl is ability though :))) :)))

Only 30 days to go! But you're free to keep it forever :)
 

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Hashim Amla's decline in ODIs

Congratulations to him on today´s century - his 12th in ODI cricket.

Inziquicksingle said:
Dhoni183, in your opinion, who is the best ODI opener in cricket currently?
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I don´t too often engage in debates about the "best" ones in any department, as what personally counts for me is whom I enjoy the most - I mostly see sports as a source of entertainment and personal preferences/choices anyway. I quite enjoyed the way Shikhar Dhawan took the responsibility in the first ICC tournament that he played (referring to the ICC Champions Trophy 2013 here) despite being a newcomer and rose to the occasion. He stills remains a brilliant timer of the cricket ball and plays some pleasing strokes, but his careless approach and attitude has lost my interest a bit. Not liking how he behaves like a thug on the field and mocking Shane Watson´s (ankle?) injury lost a lot of respect to be honest.

So for the time being, when the openers come out to bat from various teams in ODI cricket, I perform my pending tasks such as cutting nails, bathing, or engage in activities such as listening to music, write emails and so on.

As for who the best opener is, it´s for you people to discuss and decide.

Saqs said:
Yes but if we were to judge everyone on that one criteria alone (turning a game on its head) then you will only end up with a few good batsman that have ever played the game.

It's like judging a bowler based on crazy peaks (turning games on their head) rather than consistently getting wickets at a great average and strike rate. So by this criteria a bowler like McGrath wouldn't be as good as say a Mitch Johnson because one rips through batting orders every once in a while and the other accumulates his wickets like a machine.
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You have missed my point. I was mentioning this in comparison to the other ODI batsman who are quite good in this era. Justin Kemp once played one of the best innings that one can witness against India in an ODI at home to turn the game on its head, have/will I argued that he is better than Hashim Amla? No. Also, it´s not always about who has done this more often than the other, but in my opinion it´s about doing it on a few occasions at least. Has Glenn McGrath never ripped through a batting line-up? Anyways, this is just the way I view things to be.
 
Amla is probably the most debated player on PP after Misbah. The main difference is the support and dislike for Amla mainly comes from his religious belief. If people just took him for what he is Amla is one of the best bats going around no ifs or buts about it.
 
badhmash_kaka said:
Pakistani probabaly like him for his beard and muslim name. otherwise not a free flowing batsman. cant hit big shots at will.
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Are you serious he is not free flowing batsmen ?, i think he is the most free flowing batsman i've seen after shewag. Basically if he had been hindu i still would have loved him, And yes we pakistanis love him more because of his beard and enjoy because he is muslim, you see in the world Muslims have earned a bad image due to some muslims who also have beards but they also are terrorist, But this man is a role model for muslims because he is humble and not terrorist and he practices Islam perfectly ,,,,,, still remember his 300 against England where he had kept fast aswell.
 
What a stupid thread. Another century. He never was having a decline it is just because he hadn't scored a century for like 10 matches before today and he had high expectations
 
If this is amla decline i would love to see his peak :afridi

btw Itachi congrats for your new signature it looks awesome dude!!!
 
Mamoon_ said:
He will go down in the same vein as Kallis.

A great on excel sheets only.
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He's way more enjoyable to watch than Kallis. He'll go down as one of the, if not the greatest batsman of this generation. :amla
 
:))) :)))

OP, it's okay, we know you are reading this thread. Don't worry, you guys will play Lanka soon enough and then the boys will feast on them :)))
 
The icing on the cake would be for # to claim the #1 rank once again. For some strange reason, the ICC rankings have been given a lot more importance recently.
 
Amla plays extremely slow innings nowadays, they are not enjoyable. He is a good batsman but isn't entertaining to watch, class bats are Kohli and ABD.

He did choke against Pakistan and was playing for his century.
 
Inziquicksingle said:
:))) :)))

OP, it's okay, we know you are reading this thread. Don't worry, you guys will play Lanka soon enough and then the boys will feast on them :)))
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he is going to use this signature for 1 week? but from when 1 week start i mean from yesterday or after third one day? i think he is being humble here using for 3 extra days in advance!!!
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Amla plays extremely slow innings nowadays, they are not enjoyable. He is a good batsman but isn't entertaining to watch, class bats are Kohli and ABD.

He did choke against Pakistan and was playing for his century.
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Extremely slow? As in a SR of 85+? His shots are far more enjoyable for me and some others than some ugly slogs over cow corner.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Amla plays extremely slow innings nowadays, they are not enjoyable. He is a good batsman but isn't entertaining to watch, class bats are Kohli and ABD.

He did choke against Pakistan and was playing for his century.
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Are you sure about that?
 
Strike Rate said:
he is going to use this signature for 1 week? but from when 1 week start i mean from yesterday or after third one day? i think he is being humble here using for 3 extra days in advance!!!
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Was supposed to be 1 month after the last ODI. I guess OP has no hope in Kohli.
 
Probably the most stupid thread of all time on PP.

Judging a player's calibre going through a lean patch and ignoring his figures that have put him on top of the world breaking crazy records along the way and then claiming he is not a good player. This thread has attracted all the trolls and on top of it Itachi, what happened to Kohli the great and where are his cheerleaders?

Out before the count with a game to boot. Even a blind person will be able to tell the might of Amla's bat by the blasting of the trundlers but I doubt you can knock sense in an Indian troll even if you used Amla's bat!
 
Bilal7 said:
Extremely slow? As in a SR of 85+? His shots are far more enjoyable for me and some others than some ugly slogs over cow corner.
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Strike rate of 74.80 vs Pakistan chasing 263 in 45 overs. He couldn't finish the match, wasted too many deliveries. Epic choke.

His knock yesterday was quite decent but I prefer watching AB bat.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Strike rate of 74.80 vs Pakistan chasing 263 in 45 overs. He couldn't finish the match, wasted too many deliveries. Epic choke.

His knock yesterday was quite decent but I prefer watching AB bat.
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One match in which he was deceived by Ajmal during the last three balls he faced. Wasn't playing for his century, if he was he wouldn't have tried to hit a six and would have just taken a single.

I prefer watching Amla. We can agree to disagree on that one.
 
Hashim Amla - a potential ODI choker?

Ashraful_Rox said:
Strike rate of 74.80 vs Pakistan chasing 263 in 45 overs. He couldn't finish the match, wasted too many deliveries. Epic choke.

His knock yesterday was quite decent but I prefer watching AB bat.
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Leave the cricket chatter to people who know about cricket. Rather spend your time coaching your mate Ashraful, and hope that your team can rise above the status of minnows.
 
Jo_Don said:
Leave the cricket chatter to people who know about cricket. Rather spend your time coaching your mate Ashraful, and hope that your team can rise above the status of minnows.
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Thanks for the well wishes brother :) So kind of you :amla
 
Inziquicksingle said:
Good job OP! Surprising you have so little confidence in Kohl is ability though :))) :)))

Only 30 days to go! But you're free to keep it forever :)
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to cross it, kohli needs 250+. Dhoni wont let him get those in 3rd ODI. i have 100% confidence on kohli. but it is Dhoni!

My big brother's wedding was held 2 days back. forget pp, i don't even have time to watch cricket.... So much work to do in a wedding! Moving furnitures to new home now.

i updated my sig as i got defeated in the challenge.

Enjoy while it lasts inzi. We are indians.... stubborn as spoiled kid, quick as a cat, brave as lions.... ;-)
 
Whats wrong with Amla.. ODI is not T20 to being exploitive... And you not need to 350+ runs win games if you have good bowlers.. You guys say that Amla can't chase 350+ runs But Kohli do it already more than once..

The last time Pak visited us Kohli can't chase down below 300 scores.. But Amla can... Thats the difference btw a quality of a Batsmen and bowlers..

I'm not say Kohli is a flat track bullie, But he need to improvement..

Currently Amla and ABD and even Dhoni is ahead of Kohli..
 
badhmash_kaka said:
lucky innigs..could have been out couple of times
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as your logic, all of the Dhawan Best innings is lucky one... His catch dropped in that games...

Though I'm not think a dropped catch is lucky or unlucky.. What is the lucky or unlucky is a Batsmen getting out by a bad decision and viceversa.. The same applicable for bowlers
 
Shami bowled a really good ball to him today but in the Jo'burg test, it was down to error in judgement and the variable bounce of the pitch.

He's a match-winner though and might come to the party if needed in the fourth innings.
 
Wonderin why Cullinan hasn't judged him yet and asked for retirement.
 
Struggled this series but expect him to get back into form soon, its just the law of averages
 
Bilal7 said:
I'd be happy if Amla averages in the low forties against us, his career average won't suffer but our bowling won't either! Provided every other South African batsmen averages in the low thirties.

After that he can fulfill his hunger for runs against the ever-generous Indian trundlers.
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Look at this stupid obsession of Pakistanis with Amla.

They want him to average in the low 40's even when he plays against us :)))

I like this fun logic :yk
 
King Cobra said:
Struggling against quality opponents.
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He is going through a bad patch but who didn't struggled against this same opposition in recent months when they faced them? Cook? KP? Smith? Bell? Trott?

Only ABD was looking all set to score against this opposition.
 
Amla is a B grade batsman like for example, Inzamam and Yousuf.

He will end up as a great of his country but nobody will mention him in a discussion of true greats and ATGs.
 
He is going through a lean patch. So lean that Indian bowlers made his life miserable, so he is bound to fail this series against better bowlers.
 
Bilal7 said:
I'd be happy if Amla averages in the low forties against us, his career average won't suffer
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jalebi-lover said:
i think that resolve the problem for fans like me who are supporters of team pakistan but are at the same time fan of amla.
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Why in the world any Pakistani fan would want Amla to score runs against Pakistan? Concerned about Amla's average, lol.


On Topic: He is just going through a phase but I am sure that he will make some big runs soon. Too good a batsman to not make runs for long.
 
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Hashim Amla - Run Machine

Buffet said:
Why in the world any Pakistani fan would want Amla to score runs against Pakistan? Concerned about Amla's average, lol.


On Topic: He is just going through a phase but I am sure that he will make some big runs soon. Too good a batsman to not make runs for long.
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Sare jahaan ka dard humare jigar main hay.
 
Buffet said:
On Topic: He is just going through a phase but I am sure that he will make some big runs soon. Too good a batsman to not make runs for long.
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This is what some people are unable to understand or they are just pretending. This guy scored runs against every attack in every country and now he was unable to score against india at home which clearly shows he is going through a bad patch every batsman go through this period. And the quality opposition argument some people used here need to realize he faced and scored against every opposition on their home grounds so this argument doesnt work.
 
Its okay to generalize when over 50% of the people do it.

There is a serious obsession with Amla on PakPassion to the extent that they want him to do well vs Pakistan as well.

Ridiculous to say the least.
 
Mamoon said:
Its okay to generalize when over 50% of the people do it.
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This argument is ridiculous too that its ok to generalize if 50% people do it. Please provide us the figures as you already know 50% of pakpassion do it.
 
Hashim Amla - A sinking Ship?

Another day...another choke for the so called messiah of contempory batting.

Amla avgs only 35 in the last 12 month and his career avg is down to 50.48.

With age not in his side, the chances of him coming back to form looks bleak.

Has Hasmim Amla past his best and is a sinking ship now?


:amla
 
I am being generous with the 50% figure. In truth, its over 80%.

Yes its okay to generalize in such cases. For example, if there are 10 people in a room and 6 of them are fat, you can call it the "fat room".

This is generalization, because you are stereotyping the 4 skinny people as well but its not unfair because 60% of the people in there are fat.
 
Mamoon said:
I am being generous with the 50% figure. In truth, its over 80%.

Yes its okay to generalize in such cases. For example, if there are 10 people in a room and 6 of them are fat, you can call it the "fat room".

This is generalization, because you are stereotyping the 4 skinny people as well but its not unfair because 60% of the people in there are fat.
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You said 50 to 80% so where are the figures?
 
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