Hashim Amla | The Mega Discussion Thread

[Mamoon]

Yeah. He was super overrated to begin with.

Mind you, overrated doesn't mean that you aren't good. It means that you aren't as good as people make you to be.

Amla is a very fine batsman. Quality player and a South African great but by no means a potential ATG and never was.

During his purple patch in 2010-2012, people started putting him in the bracket of Tendulkar and Ponting. He isn't 10% of a player they were.

Should be averaging 40 in Tests.

Also, he shies away from responsibility and is a choker. Hardly matters in Tests though.

I said before the series that he is the type of batsman who does well only when he is in his comfort zone and things are moving at his pace.

When he is attacked, he has no counter. Australia are doing that and which is why he is clueless.

However, he can be potentially very dangerous if you go through the motions. He is like a slow poison, has no presence but will eventually kill you.

keep him on his toes and you have a walking wicket.

In bilateral series', he is a Bradman incarnate however, in ICC World events like the World Cup and Champions Trophy, where the teams are charged up and devise plans, he fails time and time again.

 

[Buffet]

Another day...another choke for the so called messiah of contempory batting.

Amla avgs only 35 in the last 12 month and his career avg is down to 50.48.

With age not in his side, the chances of him coming back to form looks bleak.

Has Hasmim Amla past his best and is a sinking ship now?

Huh, many batsmen go through these phase. If the lowest of Amla for a year is only 35 avg then it's not a huge problem as long as he can come back and make runs. I am sure that we will see runs from him. 12 months is not a long period to claim the end of him. Many test players average in mid 30s in their entire career.

Amla is not 37 years old either.

 

[King Cobra]

Has been choking right , left and center in the past 12 months. When was the last time he scored something substantial in a S.African win ?

 

[Barragan]

Going through a bad patch and he still has a good 3-4 years left in him, so there is nothing to be concerned about.

 

[Strike Rate]

The OP need to realize the meaning of choke. Than he need to realize the same batsmen was scoring everywhere against every oppisition. but before a month he was struggling to score against India which clearly shows he is going through a bad patch.

Well these type threads are good for later bumps!!! keep it active Moosa ji!

 

[Mamoon]

You said 50 to 80% so where are the figures?

My estimation.

 

[Strike Rate]

My estimation.

Mamoon i can only on your assumption estimation and logics

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon i can only on your assumption estimation and logics

Fine, its your opinion

 

[Moosa]

The OP need to realize the meaning of choke. Than he need to realize the same batsmen was scoring everywhere against every oppisition. but before a month he was struggling to score against India which clearly shows he is going through a bad patch.

Well these type threads are good for later bumps!!! keep it active Moosa ji!

What bumping? We see thousands of Amla appreciation thread here in PP when he is playing well.

At the same token we have the right to highlight his downfall as well.

In future if he somehow score runs, bumping this thread wont change the fact that clearly struggled in the last 12 months.

Even the likes of Shammi made him look like school kid

 

[Strike Rate]

Fine, its your opinion

And your estimation is your opinion too why generalize?

 

[Strike Rate]

What bumping? We see thousands of Amla appreciation thread here in PP when he is playing well.

At the same token we have the right to highlight his downfall as well.

In future if he somehow score runs, bumping this thread wont change the fact that clearly struggled in the last 12 months.

Even the likes of Shammi made him look like school kid

Saying Sinking in the Title and now mentioning struggling in your next post. You first need to figure out what is he going through? struggling or the ship is sinking? struggling mean he can come back while sinking mean his career is over!

and please google the meaning of choke or buy a dictionary!!

 

[Mamoon]

And your estimation is your opinion too why generalize?

I am giving my opinion and it can take whatever form I feel fit such as generalizing etc.

It up to you whether you take it as an opinion or a fact.

 

[Strike Rate]

I am giving my opinion and it can take whatever form I feel fit such as generalizing etc.

It up to you whether you take it as an opinion or a fact.

generalizing means it's based on facts not opinions. There is a difference between opinion and facts. You can generalize something based on opinion alone

 

[Moosa]

Saying Sinking in the Title and now mentioning struggling in your next post. You first need to figure out what is he going through? struggling or the ship is sinking? struggling mean he can come back while sinking mean his career is over!

and please google the meaning of choke or buy a dictionary!!

Lets put it this way...his purple patch is gone.

As Mamoon said, he is a good batsman no doubt...but definitely not an ATG level people here potray him to be.

Its easy to bat well for few years...but you need consistency to become an ATG

 

[Strike Rate]

Lets put it this way...his purple patch is gone.

As Mamoon said, he is a good batsman no doubt...but definitely not an ATG level people here potray him to be.

Its easy to bat well for few years...but you need consistency to become an ATG

Lets put it this way even the ATG bats gone through bad patches which last more then 12 months

 

[Madplayer]

i am tired of this useless association of the word choke with south african players. If anybody from Pakistan or india fails, its a bad patch / rough patch / temporary loss of form and what not. But when a south african fails to score or pick up wickets , he has choked

 

[Moosa]

Lets put it this way even the ATG bats gone through bad patches which last more then 12 months

That is acceptable in a career span on 25 years. Not like Amla who have not even played for 10 years.

Clearly struggles (or I dare say chokes) in ICC events. Tests were his forte and now he is struggling there as were.

 

[Strike Rate]

i am tired of this useless association of the word choke with south african players. If anybody from Pakistan or india fails, its a bad patch / rough patch / temporary loss of form and what not. But when a south african fails to score or pick up wickets , he has choked

I am wondering why no one used the word choke for Pujara when he was favorite to score runs in NZ after a good series in SA.

 

[Strike Rate]

That is acceptable in a career span on 25 years. Not like Amla who have not even played for 10 years.

Clearly struggles (or I dare say chokes) in ICC events. Tests were his forte and now he is struggling there as were.

25 years? those ATG struggled when there career wasn't 25 years. Dont look at it from the point where there career was ended look at it when they were playing in the middle of their career. I have seen enough cricket and my memory isn't that bad to forget

 

[Sakss]

Going through a bad patch, im sure he will come back strong from this

 

[Itachi]

i am tired of this useless association of the word choke with south african players. If anybody from Pakistan or india fails, its a bad patch / rough patch / temporary loss of form and what not. But when a south african fails to score or pick up wickets , he has choked

it comes with the reputation. if you choke 9/10 times, even if the last time was not a choke, people will call it choke.

on topic, choke is a bit mildly put. ever since junaid made amla his bunny, amla is having a mental barrier. he is a finished product (not in a good way).

now a days, in odis can make runs against only indian bowlers (which even hafeez do). in test, he has passed his selling date.

KP >>>>>>> Amla.

 

[Haz95]

it comes with the reputation. if you choke 9/10 times, even if the last time was not a choke, people will call it choke.

on topic, choke is a bit mildly put. ever since junaid made amla his bunny, amla is having a mental barrier. he is a finished product (not in a good way).

now a days, in odis can make runs against only indian bowlers (which even hafeez do). in test, he has passed his selling date.

KP >>>>>>> Amla.

It was Irfan who started it
Amla has come out of his purple patch and will forever remain just a good batsman. Not even great now let alone all time

 

[Sunny786]

He is just going through a bad patch. He is a class apart. He'll be back to scoring runs very soon I reckon.

 

[saeedhk]

I reckon he is just go through a bad patch.He would be back soon hopefully.

 

[IndianWillow]

How is a one year slump in form equal to choking??

 

[Haroon786]

I am wondering why no one used the word choke for Pujara when he was favorite to score runs in NZ after a good series in SA.

Because the pitches weren't as flat as the SA series.

 

[Cricket-Pundit]

Amla is bit like Sehwag.. great hand-eye combination (though Amla has beautiful wrists as well) with very less footwork.. As age catching him up, I don't see him getting any better like before

 

[mosh101]

He's struggling big time ! It's a shame really !

 

[Cricfan4eva]

He's just going through a poor phase.

 

[Bilal7]

I really wonder why some Indians hate the guy so much. One bad slump, his first in five years or so and he's a sinking ship.

He is struggling with his form but will turn it around soon enough.

 

[Bilal7]

Why in the world any Pakistani fan would want Amla to score runs against Pakistan? Concerned about Amla's average, lol.


On Topic: He is just going through a phase but I am sure that he will make some big runs soon. Too good a batsman to not make runs for long.

Cause that way he won't average in the 60's which he ended up doing.

Look at this stupid obsession of Pakistanis with Amla.

They want him to average in the low 40's even when he plays against us )

I like this fun logic

Stop shoving your opinion down the throat of others. You cry when someone does it to you.

And you should really not be getting patriotic. Your extreme pessimism regarding anything Pakistan has made people question your nationality.

Don't tell me you didn't want Anderson et all to do well against us.

 

[Bilal7]

The run machine seems to have rusted.

 

[sachjinn]

I really wonder why some Indians hate the guy so much. One bad slump, his first in five years or so and he's a sinking ship.

He is struggling with his form but will turn it around soon enough.

We don't. He has a Bradmanesque average against us and has Indian heritage. So if anything, we are proud of him. We just get riled when the phrase ATG is thrown around among batsmen.

Amla reminds me of Yousuf - wasn't believed to be anything beyond a good batsman when he started out. Had some phenomenal years where he batted like anyone could ever have. And returned to (his) normalcy since, leaving some of the hypemeisters confused.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Because the pitches weren't as flat as the SA series.

If you knew anything about the knocks Pujara has played, you wouldn't say that.

Miles better than Kohli.

 

[Mamoon]

generalizing means it's based on facts not opinions. There is a difference between opinion and facts. You can generalize something based on opinion alone

Yes you can.

You can make assumptions/generalizations/stereotypes based on your personal assessment.

 

[Strike Rate]

Ofcourse they respect...never denied that.

BUT, If you read PP frequently (which I presume you do ) you will clearly realise the obsession with Amla.

Read that thread we had for Dravid on PP before a few months and read PP user comments and let me know if it was something to do with obsession because some of them were even saying they like him more than sachin and for them dravid was a better player.

Thread link http://host.pakpassion.net/~pakpass/ppforum/showthread.php?t=187411

 

[Mamoon]

Cause that way he won't average in the 60's which he ended up doing.



Stop shoving your opinion down the throat of others. You cry when someone does it to you.

And you should really not be getting patriotic. Your extreme pessimism regarding anything Pakistan has made people question your nationality.

Don't tell me you didn't want Anderson et all to do well against us.

I don't shove it down anyone. If you take an opinion as a fact, that is your problem and I don't cry nor do I get personal. Its just a game

I never want anyone do well vs Pakistan because I want my team to win :adnan

 

[Jo_Don]

Amla avgs only 35 in the last 12 month and his career avg is down to 50.48.

And? He only averaged 29 in his first 19 tests.

Form is temporary...

/joke thread

 

[Strike Rate]

I think one day Moosa and Strike Rate will become best friends.

That day will be my last day....................................i mean on PP

 

[sachjinn]

One should also ask why many Pakistani respect Dravid? and some of them even respect him more than Sachin?

Pakistanis who respect Dravid often rate him higher than Sachin.

I think we all know why. Let's not play innocent here.

Oh you don't get it? Ok, allow me to explain:

Those who rate Dravid higher than Sachin share an immense dislike/envy for the Great One, but are pretentious enough to want to come across as knowing their cricket and loving their cricket. It's like propping someone up just to pull someone else down.

Dravid is a safe sticker to wear on their arm - hardly noticeable, and easy to peel off. Bet none of them spent as much time on a Dravid innings as they did on an Umar Akmal knock.

Which isn't too much time, come to think of it

 

[Adil_94]

Re: Hashim Amla - A sinking Ship?

That is acceptable in a career span on 25 years. Not like Amla who have not even played for 10 years.

Clearly struggles (or I dare say chokes) in ICC events. Tests were his forte and now he is struggling there as were.

There's only one ATG who's played that long at the highest level that's Tendulkar most ATG careers are about 12-15 years

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[Strike Rate]

There's only one ATG who's played that long at the highest level that's Tendulkar most ATG careers are about 12-15 years

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He was feeling insecure so he used Sachin as example in this amla thread. Sachin is ATG without any doubt but the way moosa used it as an example shows that only sachin is ATG bat

 

[Bilal7]

I don't shove it down anyone. If you take an opinion as a fact, that is your problem and I don't cry nor do I get personal. Its just a game

I never want anyone do well vs Pakistan because I want my team to win :adnan

Oh definitely... Being the patriotic Pakistani that you are.

In my opinion, you still cry over the fact that Pakistan ended England's short-lived dominance.

 

[Adil_94]

Amla is struggling and out of form he isn't an ATG he's a very good player. in ICC tournaments he does choke but in Tests being out of form isn't choking choking is losing from a winning position or in a knockout game getting owned by Mitch isn't choking

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[cricketindiafan]

Can happen to any player.

I guess OP is trying to rile up the Amla supporters on PP

 

[Mamoon]

Oh definitely... Being the patriotic Pakistani that you are.

In my opinion, you still cry over the fact that Pakistan ended England's short-lived dominance.

I am patriotic but I am not delusional.

 

[Haz95]

Hashim Amla - Run Machine

I am patriotic but I am not delusional.

Yes you are. Ajmal had one bad series and you labelled him finished as a test bowler. Is it because he dismantled your fav team?


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[sensible-indian-fan]

Pakistanis who respect Dravid often rate him higher than Sachin.

I think we all know why. Let's not play innocent here.

Oh you don't get it? Ok, allow me to explain:

Those who rate Dravid higher than Sachin share an immense dislike/envy for the Great One, but are pretentious enough to want to come across as knowing their cricket and loving their cricket. It's like propping someone up just to pull someone else down.

Dravid is a safe sticker to wear on their arm - hardly noticeable, and easy to peel off. Bet none of them spent as much time on a Dravid innings as they did on an Umar Akmal knock.

Which isn't too much time, come to think of it

In a way, I agree.

I am NOT saying all Dravid fans are like that but yes, some of the them are.

Its not limited to Pak fans.

I have seen loads of Indian fans prop up Dravid to pull Sachin down.

You can easily know who is a true Dravid fan and who isn't by the way they talk about cricket and batting.

 

[Bilal7]

We don't. He has a Bradmanesque average against us and has Indian heritage. So if anything, we are proud of him. We just get riled when the phrase ATG is thrown around among batsmen.

Amla reminds me of Yousuf - wasn't believed to be anything beyond a good batsman when he started out. Had some phenomenal years where he batted like anyone could ever have. And returned to (his) normalcy since, leaving some of the hypemeisters confused.

Amla has had only two phases in his career so far, when he was averaging in the 20's in his first 20 matches and then his current one where he averages in the 60 so. So how you can assume that when Amla still has 6-8 years left is a mystery.

You should ask the opposite question - Why is Amla so overhyped by Pakistanis?

a) He is an Indian origin.
b) He plays for SA.

And the reason Pakistanis support him is??

Cause he is an extremely elegant batsman, averages 50+ in both forms of the game, was ranked #1 in both forms of the game simultaneously, has played some brilliant knocks, is a great role-model on and off the field, et cetera.

 

[Strike Rate]

Cause he is an extremely elegant batsman, averages 50+ in both forms of the game, was ranked #1 in both forms of the game simultaneously, has played some brilliant knocks, is a great role-model on and off the field, et cetera.

but but some people cant digest these facts so they will continue with their troll job.

 

[Bilal7]

I am patriotic but I am not delusional.

You saying you're not delusional shows how delusional you are.

 

[Bilal7]

Yes you are. Ajmal had one bad series and you labelled him finished as a test bowler. Is it because he dismantled your fav team?


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You should have been here when he first emerged on PP. Had a new theory every week to try and downplay Ajmal. All of them have blown up in his face.

Atleast i only wanted Amla to do decently against us, he has been downgrading the Pakistan team like any other Indian troll.

 

[eradicator]

Elegant ? Lol. One of the ugliest imo. His batting stance and the way he rolls his wrists to play everything is so unpleasant. The most unattractive thing about him especially in the odis is his lack of ability to shift gears, even though he has a decent strike rate , he lacks the ability to increase his rate and continues to go on a constant spree.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes you are. Ajmal had one bad series and you labelled him finished as a test bowler. Is it because he dismantled your fav team?


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Ajmal has been on a downward spiral since the England series. In South Africa, he was non existent in the first and third Tests and came to life on a spin friendly pitch in Cape Town.

He bowled ordinarily against South Africa in UAE as well in spite of taking a 6 fer, with most of his wickets coming of the tail and he wasn't troubling the batsman like before.

Against SL, he was very ordinary. Yes they were defensive against him but do you expect them to give him wickets? of course you will have to earn but he didn't.

He is definitely past it in Test cricket in my opinion and the Australian series will give an even better indication of where he stands.

 

[Mamoon]

You should have been here when he first emerged on PP. Had a new theory every week to try and downplay Ajmal. All of them have blown up in his face.

Atleast i only wanted Amla to do decently against us, he has been downgrading the Pakistan team like any other Indian troll.

Ajmal is an overrated Test bowler. I said it before and I will say it again.

You don't become the best in the business by bullying teams in UAE.

Ajmal hasn't been a class above the rest in other venues. Even Lyon outbowled him in Sri Lanka and he was rubbish in Australia and New Zealand.

Guys like Herath bowled better than him in South Africa.

I don't downgrade Pakistan; I say it as I see it and we are pretty ordinary but our habit of overrating players doesn't come to an end.

 

[Mamoon]

Elegant ? Lol. One of the ugliest imo. His batting stance and the way he rolls his wrists to play everything is so unpleasant. The most unattractive thing about him especially in the odis is his lack of ability to shift gears, even though he has a decent strike rate , he lacks the ability to increase his rate and continues to go on a constant spree.

I agree.

Very boring and ugly to watch and one paced.

His strike rate is misleading because he can't shift gears.

 

[Bilal7]

Ajmal is an overrated Test bowler. I said it before and I will say it again.

You don't become the best in the business by bullying teams in UAE.

Ajmal hasn't been a class above the rest in other venues. Even Lyon outbowled him in Sri Lanka and he was rubbish in Australia and New Zealand.

Guys like Herath bowled better than him in South Africa.

I don't downgrade Pakistan; I say it as I see it and we are pretty ordinary but our habit of overrating players doesn't come to an end.

Delusional. But hey, its your opinion and you can continue to be as delusional as you please.

 

[Adil_94]

There are a lot of Amla lovers on this forum we all know why but there are a lot of haters too that jump on a bad innings or decision by Amla and start mocking him just to get reactions of his lovers he's a good batsman going through a bad patch that's it he won't be an ATG

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[Bilal7]

There are a lot of Amla lovers on this forum we all know why but there are a lot of haters too that jump on a bad innings or decision by Amla and start mocking him just to get reactions of his lovers he's a good batsman going through a bad patch that's it he won't be an ATG

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Still has atleast 6 years left so how you can make that prediction this early is beyond me.

 

[Buffet]

Elegant ? Lol. One of the ugliest imo. His batting stance and the way he rolls his wrists to play everything is so unpleasant. The most unattractive thing about him especially in the odis is his lack of ability to shift gears, even though he has a decent strike rate , he lacks the ability to increase his rate and continues to go on a constant spree.

90+ is actually more than decent. Not many batsmen, who avg reasonably high, have 90+ SR.

 

[Adil_94]

Re: Hashim Amla - A sinking Ship?

Still has atleast 6 years left so how you can make that prediction this early is beyond me.

Stop the butthurt it's my own opinion from what I've seen from Amla he can be a SA great but not an ATG his career atm has been a mediocre start followed by a great peak now another mediocre period that's not ATG material

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[Mamoon]

90+ is actually more than decent. Not many batsmen, who avg reasonably high, have 90+ SR.

My problem with his strike rate is that he bats in a similar manner irrespective of the situation. He can't switch gears.

For example, 2nd ODI vs Pakistan. He was playing a classical Amla knock but that wasn't the order of the day and ultimately lost SA the match.

Amla, Kohli, Dhoni and de Villiers all have similar ODI strike rates but out of the 4 batsmen, there is 1 odd one out who you know is not going to turn the tide in a matter of few overs and play a destructive innings and its obvious that guy is Amla.

Since he is one paced, he is always banking on someone like de Villiers to kill the game off.

I'd go back to the 2nd ODI vs Pakistan. South Africa were going no where before de Villiers played a blinder and turned the game around in a couple of overs.

Amla can't do that which makes his strike rate misleading. He is one paced with no extravagant highs.

He provides a great foil though but since he doesn't take matters in his own hands and grab the game by the scruff of its neck, he definitely falls short in comparison to the 3 best ODI batsmen today in Kohli, de Villiers and Dhoni.

 

[Fahdi]

Its a bad patch imo. I said it before todays knock that he seems out of form for some reason Soso was after my head. He will be back imo.

 

[eradicator]

90+ is actually more than decent. Not many batsmen, who avg reasonably high, have 90+ SR.

Right, Amla is someone who would bat at 9 ( 10) , 18 (20 ), 27(30 ) and so on with no big increase or decrease from his rate. But he is of no use, if lets say his team requires 50 off 30 balls which you would expect from a batsmen with a strike rate of over 90.

And you can always bank on Batsmen with strike rate in mid 80s like Yuvraj, Hussey, KP, Gayle ( S/R : 84), Umar Akmal , Ross Taylor, Dilshan to take their team more often than not in those situations.

That is why , Amla's S/r is the most misleading stat in International Cricket.

 

[Bilal7]

Stop the butthurt it's my own opinion from what I've seen from Amla he can be a SA great but not an ATG his career atm has been a mediocre start followed by a great peak now another mediocre period that's not ATG material

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So in your opinion, ATG's don't go through peaks and troughs? Nice.

 

[Buffet]

My problem with his strike rate is that he bats in a similar manner irrespective of the situation. He can't switch gears.

For exactly that reason , I rate him lower than AB, Dhoni and Kohli in ODIs. I was only commenting that 90+ SR is actually a great one, specially if you are averaging high. Can't be called just decent.

 

[Mamoon]

For exactly that reason , I rate him lower than AB, Dhoni and Kohli in ODIs. I was only commenting that 90+ SR is actually a great one. Can't be called just decent.

Yeah I agree. strike rate of 90+ is fantastic not just decent.

 

[Bilal7]

I wonder from where this one paced theory emerged from. Amla does infact score most of his runs at around a run a ball but its not as if he's incapable of hitting out when needed. He had a SR of over 140 in the South African domestic league so he's very much capable of turning it on when needed. His highest score of 150 came at a SR of over 120 against England.

 

[Mamoon]

Right, Amla is someone who would bat at 9 ( 10) , 18 (20 ), 27(30 ) and so on with no big increase or decrease from his rate. But he is of no use, if lets say his team requires 50 off 30 balls which you would expect from a batsmen with a strike rate of over 90.

And you can always bank on Batsmen with strike rate in mid 80s like Yuvraj, Hussey, KP, Gayle ( S/R : 84), Umar Akmal , Ross Taylor, Dilshan to take their team more often than not in those situations.

That is why , Amla's S/r is the most misleading stat in International Cricket.

I agree with you completely but his fan club can't decipher this simple point :cheema

 

[Strike Rate]

And you can always bank on Batsmen with strike rate in mid 80s like Yuvraj, Hussey, KP, Gayle ( S/R : 84), Umar Akmal , Ross Taylor, Dilshan to take their team more often than not in those situations.

How many openers in odi history were finishers also? Amla dont waste balls in early innings like others who play dots in start and than try to cover it in later part but sometime they get out before covering the strike rate so their overall strike rate remains in late 70s and 80s not like amla who still manage 90s.

 

[Bilal7]

How many openers in odi history were finishers also? Amla dont waste balls in early innings like others who play dots in start and than try to cover it in later part but sometime they get out before covering the strike rate so their overall strike rate remains in late 70s and 80s not like amla who still manage 90s.

Except for Sehwag and Warner (?) don't think any opener has had a higher SR. Lets not even talk about the average.

 

[Jo_Don]

He's an opener, not a finisher. His job is to hold fort, and he does that brilliantly at a SR of 90+. You can't ask for better strike rotation.

I too prefer AB because of his flexibility, but calling Amla rubbish because he does his job is just ridiculous.

 

[Buffet]

Right, Amla is someone who would bat at 9 ( 10) , 18 (20 ), 27(30 ) and so on with no big increase or decrease from his rate. But he is of no use, if lets say his team requires 50 off 30 balls which you would expect from a batsmen with a strike rate of over 90.

And you can always bank on Batsmen with strike rate in mid 80s like Yuvraj, Hussey, KP, Gayle ( S/R : 84), Umar Akmal , Ross Taylor, Dilshan to take their team more often than not in those situations.

That is why , Amla's S/r is the most misleading stat in International Cricket.

I agree that Amla is not very useful when you need to shift gears. But point is, he plays as an opener. If he consistently scores 50-60 runs at 90+ SR then he is doing a great job.

Let me put it another way. Yes, Gayle can be more destructive and can shift gears but simply as an opener I will take Amla as an ODI opener in my team if I have to pick one for all conditions involving 100 games. Amla's consistent 50 runs with 90+ SR is likely to win me more games than some one like Gayle.

 

[Mamoon]

I wonder from where this one paced theory emerged from. Amla does infact score most of his runs at around a run a ball but its not as if he's incapable of hitting out when needed. He had a SR of over 140 in the South African domestic league so he's very much capable of turning it on when needed. His highest score of 150 came at a SR of over 120 against England.

So you couldn't come up with something from international cricket? )

Most of the times, he does indeed bat at 90 or so but when the situations calls for a required run rate of 8/9, he collapses like a pack of cards because he doesn't bag a punch and can't hit those big shots.

He is an accumulator who milks the bowlers like goats which is great but what do you do when you don't have to milk the bowling but slog your way instead and hit sixes and big boundaries?

This is his weakness due to which he never takes the responsibility of finishing of the game or take control of it. He is always reliant on others to to hit the final nail in the coffin and this is why he is much inferior to Kohli, Dhoni and de Villiers.

 

[Haz95]

Right, Amla is someone who would bat at 9 ( 10) , 18 (20 ), 27(30 ) and so on with no big increase or decrease from his rate. But he is of no use, if lets say his team requires 50 off 30 balls which you would expect from a batsmen with a strike rate of over 90.

And you can always bank on Batsmen with strike rate in mid 80s like Yuvraj, Hussey, KP, Gayle ( S/R : 84), Umar Akmal , Ross Taylor, Dilshan to take their team more often than not in those situations.

That is why , Amla's S/r is the most misleading stat in International Cricket.

That reward goes to Sangas test average

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Always rated Ab above Amla. Not that Hash is a bad batsman or anything but against quality bowling he has always been a little suspect.

 

[Strike Rate]

This is his weakness due to which he never takes the responsibility of finishing of the game or take control of it. He is always reliant on others to to hit the final nail in the coffin and this is why he is much inferior to Kohli, Dhoni and de Villiers.

but but in your words AB is a coward? do you think amla is a coward too?

 

[Mamoon]

That reward goes to Sangas test average

There is a long list of misleading stats including both Sangakkara and Jayawardene's averages, Junaid's ODI average (its an average which you expect an ATG ODI pacer to have but Junaid hasn't ran through batting line ups apart from instance and doesn't have a single 5 fer).

 

[Mamoon]

but but in your words AB is a coward? do you think amla is a coward too?

He is a coward because he shies away from the new ball but that does not mean that he isn't a fantastic batsman. 3rd best ODI batsman in the world IMO.

 

[Bilal7]

So you couldn't come up with something from international cricket? )

Most of the times, he does indeed bat at 90 or so but when the situations calls for a required run rate of 8/9, he collapses like a pack of cards because he doesn't bag a punch and can't hit those big shots.

He is an accumulator who milks the bowlers like goats which is great but what do you do when you don't have to milk the bowling but slog your way instead and hit sixes and big boundaries?

This is his weakness due to which he never takes the responsibility of finishing of the game or take control of it. He is always reliant on others to to hit the final nail in the coffin and this is why he is much inferior to Kohli, Dhoni and de Villiers.

I did, read the whole post atleast.

The point still stands though, Amla IS capable of upping the ante but he usually doesn't have to and thus he doesn't.

Give me one example of an opener who constantly finished games off except for Sachin.