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Amla should have been given more time to silence his doubters

All this criticism and the tour's not been on for more than 9 days yet

Why doesn't clarke get the same bother
 
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Ajmal is an overrated Test bowler. I said it before and I will say it again.

You don't become the best in the business by bullying teams in UAE.

Ajmal hasn't been a class above the rest in other venues. Even Lyon outbowled him in Sri Lanka and he was rubbish in Australia and New Zealand.

Guys like Herath bowled better than him in South Africa.

I don't downgrade Pakistan; I say it as I see it and we are pretty ordinary but our habit of overrating players doesn't come to an end.
Yeah, a 10fer in SA is nothing...Had Pakistans batting clicked, we would have won that. He also outbowled Swann at his best a few times in 2010 in England but it wasn't seen to be that good cos of the cheats dismantling pretty much everyone :asif :amir
 
Exactly. He needs his team-mates to get a lead of around 200 runs in the first innings and only then he can score .

Stop making silly excuses. This is a laughable post. Johnson is still Johnson, regardless of the runs SA has on the board. He doesn't just start bowling badly when the other Team has a lead. And to emphasize my point, he has just gotten AB out.
 
Yeah, a 10fer in SA is nothing...Had Pakistans batting clicked, we would have won that. He also outbowled Swann at his best a few times in 2010 in England but it wasn't seen to be that good cos of the cheats dismantling pretty much everyone :asif :amir

The Cape Town pitch was very helpful. He was non existent in the first and third Tests where the conditions didn't help him.

In recent years, Herath and Swann both did better than him in South Africa. Even Harbhajan.

Ajmal is a very fine Test bowler, but not way better than the rest like he is in ODIs. This makes him overrated in Tests.
 
Not a surprise that the first time South Africa are not under pressure in the series, he has delivered.
 
He is a good, if not great test bowler purely for what he did vs England. Its similar to what you would consider 'a world cup win' in my views. I strongly believe he will end as an ODI and T20 ATG regardless of whether he wins a world cup or not
 
Not a surprise that the first time South Africa are not under pressure in the series, he has delivered.

C'mon on mamoon dont act like a stubborn kid. You are posting it like he never scored under pressure in Test cricket. I expect better from you give the credit where credit is due. His team need quick runs at the moment to produce result in this Test and look at the pace he is scoring runs at the moment.
 
Yeah, has started to deliver as soon as the pressure is off South Africa.

Scoring a potential hundred with a lead of 177 in the bag already, must be one of the "useless" knocks you dislike isn't it? :kohli
 
The Cape Town pitch was very helpful. He was non existent in the first and third Tests where the conditions didn't help him.

In recent years, Herath and Swann both did better than him in South Africa. Even Harbhajan.

Ajmal is a very fine Test bowler, but not way better than the rest like he is in ODIs. This makes him overrated in Tests.

He is not way better than the rest but he is better than the rest.

While Swann was still playing both were good test bowlers and the rest were pretty average.
Now Ajmal is a good spinner in Tests and the rest are at best average.
Lyon might be the second best.
 
And Mitchell Johnson needs runs on the board to be dangerous.
Is everyone forgetting his 118 vs Pak? His entire team was struggling except for him...Said this before
 
Yeah, has started to deliver as soon as the pressure is off South Africa.

Scoring a potential hundred with a lead of 177 in the bag already, must be one of the "useless" knocks you dislike isn't it? :kohli

Not useless knock but not a great knock just a fine one because of the situation. So far the best one in the series is ABDV's 92!

It becomes useless when you are playing for nothing, match over, series over.
 
He is not way better than the rest but he is better than the rest.

While Swann was still playing both were good test bowlers and the rest were pretty average.
Now Ajmal is a good spinner in Tests and the rest are at best average.
Lyon might be the second best.
Lyon imo is incredibly overrated. He's been gifted wickets and has earned probably 1 only. He can be top class if he played more in the SC and pull off a Graeme or Monty.
Herath, Ajmal and Rehman stand as the only good test spinners currently. Lyon, Jadeja, Ashwin and co are all average.
 
Lyon imo is incredibly overrated. He's been gifted wickets and has earned probably 1 only. He can be top class if he played more in the SC and pull off a Graeme or Monty.
Herath, Ajmal and Rehman stand as the only good test spinners currently. Lyon, Jadeja, Ashwin and co are all average.

You can't rate Rehman as he doesn't even play outside the subcontinent.
Herath is useless, couldn't help his team defend 300 in 60 overs on the last day against defensive batsmen.
Jadeja and Ashwin are not even Test spinners.
At least Lyon take wickets in Australia and that's really not easy for a spinner.
 
You can't rate Rehman as he doesn't even play outside the subcontinent.
Herath is useless, couldn't help his team defend 300 in 60 overs on the last day against defensive batsmen.
Jadeja and Ashwin are not even Test spinners.
At least Lyon take wickets in Australia and that's really not easy for a spinner.
He's never had the chance to but he's a line and length bowler which means he could succeed :rehman
Herath failed in one game big whoop even the best have :warne.
Jadeja and Ashwin are a handful for non SC teams in India.
My previous statement about Lyon stands, he usually gets wickets because people wanna whack him and then have lapses in their focus...
 
Lyon is underrated. He has left teams like India and Sri Lanka red faced on their home grounds and has bowled really well in Australia as well.

He is the best post Warne spinner Australia have had and he is 26 only so looks like Australia' spin problems are solved for a long time now.

In ODIs, they don't need one but that Xavier Doherty guy is a pretty decent ODI/T20 spinner.
 
He is a muslim, We shouldn't be criticizing him.

We should be criticizing the non believers, the kuffars instead.
 
please please please just don't :facepalm: The 'kuffar' are there to be judged by only Allah.

Anyway the shots amlas is playing tho wow
 
Lyon is underrated. He has left teams like India and Sri Lanka red faced on their home grounds and has bowled really well in Australia as well.

He is the best post Warne spinner Australia have had and he is 26 only so looks like Australia' spin problems are solved for a long time now.

In ODIs, they don't need one but that Xavier Doherty guy is a pretty decent ODI/T20 spinner.

Now Mamoon that's another joke?
T20 world cup, bowls the last over of the semi final and you should know what happened. He can't take a wickets, is a defensive bowler.
Australia should go with 4 quicks in ODI's : Jhonson, Starc, Harris and Patttinson! And that's some attack!
 
Superb knock by Amla today, put South Africa in a dominant position. He just plays so elegently, those backfoot drives.
 
Now Mamoon that's another joke?
T20 world cup, bowls the last over of the semi final and you should know what happened. He can't take a wickets, is a defensive bowler.
Australia should go with 4 quicks in ODI's : Jhonson, Starc, Harris and Patttinson! And that's some attack!

He is decent, not good or very good.

Like I said, Australia don't need a spinner in ODIs/T20s especially when Maxwell bowls as well but he is a fine backup to have.
 
I admit Amla would be far less criticized if his fan club stopped playing the religion card.

I personally enjoy when he doesn't play well because the disappointment of the folks that refer to him as "Amla bhai" is quite entertaining. :yk
 
So now Amla has gone from a poor player to a poor player under pressure. Some of Amla's haters are just incredibly dumb or trying way to hard to discredit him.

I see a lot of players being overrated but I don't waste time on putting those players down.
 
I admit Amla would be far less criticized if his fan club stopped playing the religion card.

I personally enjoy when he doesn't play well because the disappointment of the folks that refer to him as "Amla bhai" is quite entertaining. :yk


Pathetic.

He is a muslim, We shouldn't be criticizing him.

We should be criticizing the non believers, the kuffars instead.

This guy is a known troll and whoever falls for his one-liners is pretty gullible.
 

Why are you posting scorecards of year old matches?

This thread is about Amla the sinking ship.

He was floating back then and was the best batsman in the world from 2010-2012 but now his purple patch is over and is back to being a very good batsman rather than amazing.

He started poorly, went on to become a good batsman, then became very good and then was out of this world for a brief period that over excited his fan club and they started labeling him as an ATG and comparable to Tendulkar and Ponting etc.

The purple patch is over and he is back to being very good now and will soon be good and then will be poor.

Age is catching up with him and he isn't the best of athletes either.

Dark times for South Africa ahead with 2 of their best 3 Test batsman on their last legs. Smith the other one.

Kallis has retired already.
 
He's a hater and has said so himself. Not sure why you're wasting energy trying to show him the facts.

I'm not a hater of Amla. I am a hater of his fans who have religious bias towards him.
 
Why are you posting scorecards of year old matches?

This thread is about Amla the sinking ship.

He was floating back then and was the best batsman in the world from 2010-2012 but now his purple patch is over and is back to being a very good batsman rather than amazing.

He started poorly, went on to become a good batsman, then became very good and then was out of this world for a brief period that over excited his fan club and they started labeling him as an ATG and comparable to Tendulkar and Ponting etc.

The purple patch is over and he is back to being very good now and will soon be good and then will be poor.

Age is catching up with him and he isn't the best of athletes either.

Dark times for South Africa ahead with 2 of their best 3 Test batsman on their last legs. Smith the other one.

Kallis has retired already.

:))

So how have you concluded this because Amla looked just as good today like he did back in 2012. He's not even 31 yet and several players have had their best years only after they've reached 30.

Those 4 tests where he had poor scores were the aberration not the norm. Amla has found some of his form with this innings and that minuscule run of poor form is now over.
 
What a brilliant knock, took the game to the Aussies and played some delightful shots. Tough situations having lost a couple of early wickets.

Top knock!

Haters retreat!!
 
I'm not a hater of Amla. I am a hater of his fans who have religious bias towards him.

You're very stereotypical and generalise based a few posts from posters, then you class yourself as logical in your observation. Maybe there supporters who think he is a good player based on watching the matches etc

What is this? :yk

I haven't watched the matches to say anything though, just saying you generalise
 
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I'm not a hater of Amla. I am a hater of his fans who have religious bias towards him.

So how does it concern you if people do infact admire Amla the Muslim? People have role-models and frankly, Amla is a better role-model than most.

Its not even that he's being grossly overrated either. His record speaks for itself, his batting speaks for itself and so does his success. Its infact people like you that underrate him.

Try doing something more productive with your life.
 
So how does it concern you if people do infact admire Amla the Muslim? People have role-models and frankly, Amla is a better role-model than most.

Its not even that he's being grossly overrated either. His record speaks for itself, his batting speaks for itself and so does his success. Its infact people like you that underrate him.

Try doing something more productive with your life.

IMO, religion shouldn't mixed with sport.

People who like him for his beliefs can't digest when someone doesn't consider Amla the best thing on earth and overly praise him when he doesn't deserve it.

I don't like that and I am well within my rights to criticize.
 
You're very stereotypical and generalise based a few posts from posters, then you class yourself as logical in your observation. Maybe there supporters who think he is a good player based on watching the matches etc

What is this? :yk

I haven't watched the matches to say anything though, just saying you generalise

When did I say ALL of them are like that?

Comprehensionail fail :yk

Reread my post.

I clearly state THOSE fans WHO play the religion card.
 
Why are you posting scorecards of year old matches?

This thread is about Amla the sinking ship.

He was floating back then and was the best batsman in the world from 2010-2012 but now his purple patch is over and is back to being a very good batsman rather than amazing.

He started poorly, went on to become a good batsman, then became very good and then was out of this world for a brief period that over excited his fan club and they started labeling him as an ATG and comparable to Tendulkar and Ponting etc.

The purple patch is over and he is back to being very good now and will soon be good and then will be poor.

Age is catching up with him and he isn't the best of athletes either.

Dark times for South Africa ahead with 2 of their best 3 Test batsman on their last legs. Smith the other one.

Kallis has retired already.

so based on 3 poor tests you reckon his dream run is over you seriously are a troll sometimes.
 
so based on 3 poor tests you reckon his dream run is over you seriously are a troll sometimes.

Has he played well below his 2010-2012 standard for a long time now.

Merely looking at scorecards isn't enough :jf
 
IMO, religion shouldn't mixed with sport.

People who like him for his beliefs can't digest when someone doesn't consider Amla the best thing on earth and overly praise him when he doesn't deserve it.

I don't like that and I am well within my rights to criticize.

So where was the overrating? Apart from the one or two extreme fan, I haven't seen Amla be overrated at all yet I see people like you downgrading him at every opportunity.

No one is calling him an ATG yet but you are already labelling him as only a very good player when he still has a lot of cricket left in him.

Stop with the hyperbole because what you're saying is only being said by you.
 
Has he played well below his 2010-2012 standard for a long time now.

Merely looking at scorecards isn't enough :jf

Because clearly someone who rejoices when he doesn't do well is a better judge. Or someone who considers him a very ugly batsman to watch. Or someone who has 99 other problems with the man.

:facepalm:
 
Whether or not Amla has proved that he's not going downhill as a batsmen, Mamoon has surely proved that his posting is only deteriorating.
 
When did I say ALL of them are like that?

Comprehensionail fail :yk

Reread my post.

I clearly state THOSE fans WHO play the religion card.

Maybe I misread, but you spelt comprehension wrong. :jf

I'm not a hater of Amla. I am a hater of his fans who have religious bias towards him.

Reading this post it looked like you bracketed them all in the same category based on some posts. :9:
 
Has he played well below his 2010-2012 standard for a long time now.

Merely looking at scorecards isn't enough :jf

This is a series played in 2010 when he according to you he was the best batsman in the world averaged 20 over a period of three games yet after this went back and started piling runs once again, like any batsman he is allowed to have couple of quiet games now and then.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-south-africa-2010/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=5677;team=3;type=series
 
This is a series played in 2010 when he according to you he was the best batsman in the world averaged 20 over a period of three games yet after this went back and started piling runs once again, like any batsman he is allowed to have couple of quiet games now and then.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-south-africa-2010/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=5677;team=3;type=series

Obviously not when you're praying for the batsman in question to fail. Especially when deep inside you know that this batsman will get a big score sooner or later. Better let all the hate out whenever he goes 3 tests without a century.
 
Amla cannot do jack when the opposition has their tail up. Australia were on the charge in the previous innings and Amla had no answer. Now, since they have been deflated by conceded a 177 runs lead, he has pounced on them.

You don't need to look further than his performances in the ICC events to realize that he isn't a pressure player.
 
Amla cannot do jack when the opposition has their tail up. Australia were on the charge in the previous innings and Amla had no answer. Now, since they have been deflated by conceded a 177 runs lead, he has pounced on them.

You don't need to look further than his performances in the ICC events to realize that he isn't a pressure player.

Like this or three examples Statistics 375 quoted.
 
Amla cannot do jack when the opposition has their tail up. Australia were on the charge in the previous innings and Amla had no answer. Now, since they have been deflated by conceded a 177 runs lead, he has pounced on them.

You don't need to look further than his performances in the ICC events to realize that he isn't a pressure player.

Why did you not comment on the scorecards given above? And to say that Amla wasn't batting in pressure today is just plain dumb. Didn't do anything for 4 innings, Johnson bowling well, centurion from the first innings gone and a difficult pitch to bat on all adds up to a become a lot of pressure.

Kohli has failed in ICC events as well. They are not the criteria to label a player as someone who can't play under pressure.
 
Amla cannot do jack when the opposition has their tail up. Australia were on the charge in the previous innings and Amla had no answer. Now, since they have been deflated by conceded a 177 runs lead, he has pounced on them.

You don't need to look further than his performances in the ICC events to realize that he isn't a pressure player.

Obviously, a huge 177 runs lead. The contribution made by DE Villiers and Duminy is vastly superior.

" Amla Bhai " is only milking the bowlers due to hard work done by others in the first innings.
 
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Xoib, how did you miss out on that brilliant century that he scored in that 99 all-out, 47 all-out game? Definitely no pressure there. :))
 
Amla is a very vey good player and one of my favourites but the man is not very good under pressure. Pressure came off and the beast came out. Still one heck of a player.
 
Why did you not comment on the scorecards given above? And to say that Amla wasn't batting in pressure today is just plain dumb. Didn't do anything for 4 innings, Johnson bowling well, centurion from the first innings gone and a difficult pitch to bat on all adds up to a become a lot of pressure.

Kohli has failed in ICC events as well. They are not the criteria to label a player as someone who can't play under pressure.

If Kohli continues to under-perform in ICC events he won't be a great player either but he has a lot of time left and maybe 3 World Cups. Amla has one last shot next year.
 
This is a series played in 2010 when he according to you he was the best batsman in the world averaged 20 over a period of three games yet after this went back and started piling runs once again, like any batsman he is allowed to have couple of quiet games now and then.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-south-africa-2010/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=5677;team=3;type=series

:facepalm:


Every player in his golden period has had a lean run as well but Amla's golden run is over and he won't be replicating his past performances. Will remain a very good batsman but not a run machine.
 
Why did you not comment on the scorecards given above? And to say that Amla wasn't batting in pressure today is just plain dumb. Didn't do anything for 4 innings, Johnson bowling well, centurion from the first innings gone and a difficult pitch to bat on all adds up to a become a lot of pressure.

Kohli has failed in ICC events as well. They are not the criteria to label a player as someone who can't play under pressure.

You are trapped again by sir mamoon you know how? this thread was created on the point that amla lost his test form (he is still scoring in odi matches). Now he is playing a brilliant Test innings to prove he is still class and mamoon diverted the topic to ICC events and odi matches what a clever kid! he will go round and round to prove his points :)))
 
Obviously, a huge 177 runs lead. The contribution made by DE Villiers and Duminy is vastly superior.

" Amla Bhai " is only milking the bowlers due to hard work done by others in the first innings.

I don't know if this is a sarcastic post or not but I agree that Amla is simply feasting on the hard work of de Villiers and Duminy. Where was he in the first innings?
 
If Kohli continues to under-perform in ICC events he won't be a great player either but he has a lot of time left and maybe 3 World Cups. Amla has one last shot next year.

You said he "can't do jack"in pressure situations. But now that you realized your mistake, he still has one last chance. How generous of you.
 
You are trapped again by sir mamoon you know how? this thread was created on the point that amla lost his test form (he is still scoring in odi matches). Now he is playing a brilliant Test innings to prove he is still class and mamoon diverted the topic to ICC events and odi matches what a clever kid! he will go round and round to prove his points :)))


I made a general comment about his inability to handle pressure which lead to his bleak performances in the ICC events.
 
Obviously, a huge 177 runs lead. The contribution made by DE Villiers and Duminy is vastly superior.

" Amla Bhai " is only milking the bowlers due to hard work done by others in the first innings.

amla bhai milked mamoon bhai's favorite team in their own backyard till last drop of milk not very long ago and the pain is still there in mamoon heart :P
 
I don't know if this is a sarcastic post or not but I agree that Amla is simply feasting on the hard work of de Villiers and Duminy. Where was he in the first innings?

Not sure if serious. Amla bats at #3 and sets up huge platforms for his lower-order team-mates, didn't do it in this test which is not a big deal. You're posting absolute drivel.
 
You said he "can't do jack"in pressure situations. But now that you realized your mistake, he still has one last chance. How generous of you.

What mistake? :91:

Yes he has one last chance which proves that I am not a hater.

If he plays brilliantly in the next World Cup and helps South Africa win it takes them really far into the tournament, I will change my opinion and consider him an ODI great.
 
I made a general comment about his inability to handle pressure which lead to his bleak performances in the ICC events.

Still posting the same rubbish but haven't responded as to why Amla has so many top quality innings in pressure situations.

Like I said before, ICC tournaments are not a good indication of whether or not a player can take the pressure.
 
Amla does not score under pressure always, but this was a very good knock that is going to win a match for SA.
 
What mistake? :91:

Yes he has one last chance which proves that I am not a hater.

If he plays brilliantly in the next World Cup and helps South Africa win it takes them really far into the tournament, I will change my opinion and consider him an ODI great.

:))) Where did the ODI great come from? He doesn't need your approval, neither do I nor 99.99% of this world.

You said he wasn't a good player under pressure and having absolutely no proof to back it up, picked on his decent WC record, not realizing that Kohli has done worse.
 
Still posting the same rubbish but haven't responded as to why Amla has so many top quality innings in pressure situations.

Like I said before, ICC tournaments are not a good indication of whether or not a player can take the pressure.

Its the best indication. ICC events are the most pressure oriented matches in cricket.

The whole cricketing universe is watching and your performance is praised/scrutinized by everyone not just by the people of the two concerned teams.

He doesn't perform under pressure. Giving examples of one/two knocks spread across a large time frame suggests how weak your argument is.
 
Amla does not score under pressure always, but this was a very good knock that is going to win a match for SA.

Who scores under pressure "always"? Pressure gets to the best of people at times, it is only natural.
 
Amla does not score under pressure always, but this was a very good knock that is going to win a match for SA.

Yaah, there is not much pressure when you are 180 ahead but he batted very well and scored quickly to set up the game. He did the same in Perth and I think that was his one of the better innings.
 
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:))) Where did the ODI great come from? He doesn't need your approval, neither do I nor 99.99% of this world.

You said he wasn't a good player under pressure and having absolutely no proof to back it up, picked on his decent WC record, not realizing that Kohli has done worse.

Kohli has proved time and time again what a great player under pressure he is. Amla isn't a percent of the chaser he is.

However, for Kohli to become an ATG in ODIs, he needs to deliver in ICC events. Did play a very good pressure innings in the Champions Trophy final though.

When did I say he needs my approval? typical defensive and insecure response :adnan

I am merely giving my opinion.
 
Yaah, there was not much pressure when you are 180 ahead but he batted very well and scored quickly to set up the game. He did somewhat similar in Perth and I think that was his one of the better innings.

South Africa rarely get under pressure due to their bowling. The number of times Amla has had to bat under severe pressure ( compared to say, the Indian batsmen) is very few and he has not come out triumphant.
 
Its the best indication. ICC events are the most pressure oriented matches in cricket.

The whole cricketing universe is watching and your performance is praised/scrutinized by everyone not just by the people of the two concerned teams.

He doesn't perform under pressure. Giving examples of one/two knocks spread across a large time frame suggests how weak your argument is.

Its not one or two knock, its plenty. Plenty more than most players playing cricket.

These matches come about once every four years and just because one player had an off day in a couple of matches doesn't prove anything, especially if its only a handful of matches that the player has played.

Ofcourse, you saying that Gilchrist was a better ODI player than Sachin shows how much you understand this topic.
 
Bilal owned by Mamoon again the most common occurrence on PP these days. I can guarantee he will fail in Cape Town when he is needed in the first innings.
 
Class batsman, it was only a matter of time before he was in the runs again
 
If you need proof Bilal, go back to the 2nd ODI vs Pakistan.

He couldn't finish of the game when de Villiers departed.

36 were required of 38 balls with 6 wickets in hand and he still bottled :)))

The three best ODI batsmen in the world, Kohli-Dhoni-de Villiers would finish off such an equation with disdain 100/100 times.
 
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