Hashim Amla | The Mega Discussion Thread

[Mamoon]

Funny thing is that despite his poor form in ODIs, that record is probably still better than most of the Pakistani batsman when you exclude minnows.

Comparing batsmen to ours is like comparing the capabilities of a smartphone to a 1500 rs, second 2002 model Nokia.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Playing against Pakistani bowlers doesn't help either,

 

[Cricfan4eva]

another failure....

3(3) lol....

30.64 avg in 2013.... will go to 20s soon!

He is due a good performance and he loves facing Indian bowlers

 

[Inziquicksingle]

another failure....

3(3) lol....

30.64 avg in 2013.... will go to 20s soon!

Laugh all you want, he's still easily one of the top 5 batsman in the world. Will be back in form in no time.

 

[Saqs]

Re: Hashim Amla's decline in ODIs

Lol you don't make threads like this on PP unless you're going for a jinx.

But knowing that he will be playing against you guys in a month or so... What were you thinking creating this thread?

 

[pakistani pride]

India is coming he will score . . . trundlers . . . .

 

[Itachi]

Laugh all you want, he's still easily one of the top 5 batsman in the world. Will be back in form in no time.

from the best, he became one of the best.... it is time to make him average.

that's the decline.

 

[Itachi]

Lol you don't make threads like this on PP unless you're going for a jinx.

But knowing that he will be playing against you guys in a month or so... What were you thinking creating this thread?

Amla can't stand even against junaid.... and bhuvi >> junad.... so....

 

[Inziquicksingle]

:rana

from the best, he became one of the best.... it is time to make him average.

that's the decline.

Sure...if that helps you sleep at night. Still averages overr 50.

 

[azfar wali]

Well i am sure he will regain some form in the series against India. No offence to the Indian posters, but if Faulkner and Sammy destroyed your bowlers than i don't really see the likes of Amla having any trouble.

 

[jusarrived]

Well i am sure he will regain some form in the series against India. No offence to the Indian posters, but if Faulkner and Sammy destroyed your bowlers than i don't really see the likes of Amla having any trouble.

Amla cant do what faulkner or sammy can do in a ODI...hes hardly some one I would worry about in a ODI linup.

 

[tahir_dj]

As much as I feel bad for him but please continue for only 2 more match and thats it he can go back to his normal mode.

 

[azfar wali]

Amla cant do what faulkner or sammy can do in a ODI...hes hardly some one I would worry about in a ODI linup.

Maybe not but i would be careful about counting out someone who averages over 50 with a strike-rate of over 90. Its just a matter of time before he gets back to his best and facing the indian bowlers will give him a golden chance to do that imo .

 

[Gangnam]

India will end his ODI career. A choker at best, he has been truly exposed as a mediocre batsman. I expect his form to go down significantly even in the upcoming test against India.

 

[Premier Cricketer]

Amla is anything but mediocre. Just wait after this series with Pakistan he will find form against India.

 

[On_the_up]

On contrast, people who has been asking for umar akmal's head, after playing 11 matches, guess how much his average is????

32.77

a bit irony isn't it?

So Amla in a slump of form is as good as Akmal? Don't think that's what you were trying to point out.

 

[Inziquicksingle]

Amla cant do what faulkner or sammy can do in a ODI...hes hardly some one I would worry about in a ODI linup.

Yeah I know right. Mediocre player with that 50 odd average and 90 odd SR.

 

[Itachi]

Yeah I know right. Mediocre player with that 50 odd average and 90 odd SR.

stats lie. quality doesn't rely upon stats alone.

hitting 100s when no pressure but running away like a chicken when little bit of pressure builds up.... that's amla.

Hence he is mediocore even with 50 odd average.

 

[Itachi]

So Amla in a slump of form is as good as Akmal? Don't think that's what you were trying to point out.

point was, why criticise akmal when amla is doing the same?

 

[Itachi]

Amla is anything but mediocre. Just wait after this series with Pakistan he will find form against India.

i will bet anything on this

 

[Inziquicksingle]

Hey Itachi you seem pretty confident. Lets do a simple good ol' signature bet for the up coming India-SA ODI series.

If Kohli scores more runs than Amla I will change my signature for a month to "Kohli is a better batsman than Amla". If Amla out scores Kohli then you must change yours to "Amla is a better batsman than Kohli" for a month.

Obviously we can add more stipulations like they should play an equal number of innings for the bet to be valid (eg. If Amla bats in the first innings and the second innings is washed out then the bet becomes null and void...etc etc)

Let me know if you're up for the challenge. I'm sure you won't decline

 

[Itachi]

Hey Itachi you seem pretty confident. Lets do a simple good ol' signature bet for the up coming India-SA ODI series.

If Kohli scores more runs than Amla I will change my signature for a month to "Kohli is a better batsman than Amla". If Amla out scores Kohli then you must change yours to "Amla is a better batsman than Kohli" for a month.

Obviously we can add more stipulations like they should play an equal number of innings for the bet to be valid (eg. If Amla bats in the first innings and the second innings is washed out then the bet becomes null and void...etc etc)

Let me know if you're up for the challenge. I'm sure you won't decline

challenge accepted

 

[Inziquicksingle]

challenge accepted

Good

Some stipulations, let me know if you agree

- bet only counts if both players play an equal number of INNINGS in the series unless the player who scored more runs played less innings. Eg. Kohli scores 200 runs in 2 innings and Amla scores 199 runs in 3 innings. Itachi wins. But if Kohli does it in 3 innings and Amla in 2 innings then the bet is void. If there is some rare circumstance like a mid innings injury or rain then I am willing to be reasonable and decide accordingly.


-If there is a tie then we decide through SR.

If Itachi wins then Inziquicksingle has to change his signature for a period of 1 month to " Virat Kohli is a better batsman than Hashim Amla" in a clear readable and legible font.

If Inziquicksingle wins then Itachi has to change his signature for a period of 1 month to " Hashim Amla is a better batsman than Virat Kohli" in a clear, readable and legible font.

Let me know if you agree and if you want to add any stipulation.

 

[Itachi]

Good

Some stipulations, let me know if you agree

- bet only counts if both players play an equal number of INNINGS in the series unless the player who scored more runs played less innings. Eg. Kohli scores 200 runs in 2 innings and Amla scores 199 runs in 3 innings. Itachi wins. But if Kohli does it in 3 innings and Amla in 2 innings then the bet is void. If there is some rare circumstance like a mid innings injury or rain then I am willing to be reasonable and decide accordingly.


-If there is a tie then we decide through SR.

If Itachi wins then Inziquicksingle has to change his signature for a period of 1 month to " Virat Kohli is a better batsman than Hashim Amla" in a clear readable and legible font.

If Inziquicksingle wins then Itachi has to change his signature for a period of 1 month to " Hashim Amla is a better batsman than Virat Kohli" in a clear, readable and legible font.

Let me know if you agree and if you want to add any stipulation.

sounds fair.

it is only for ODIs (otherwise i have to change right now if tests are considered too )

the challenge would be void if 2 out of 3 matches are washout. (1 match is too small sample size)

team wins wont be considered on any circumstances (e.g. on rare case, Kohli and amla scored equal, in that case the results of the match wont be taken into consideration. SR may taken into consideration for that, or MoMs).

that's it for me.

p.s. during the tour, we will interact in this thread by bumping, giving the stats of each player on each round.

p.s. (2) i don't have trust in kohli's success. but i do trust on failure of amla. Kohli can't do worse than him

 

[endymion248]

So Amla in a slump of form is as good as Akmal? Don't think that's what you were trying to point out.

No, Amla in a slump of form is as good as Akmal in a slump of form because Akmal has failed to reach 30 since the last 6 ODIs.

 

[Inziquicksingle]

Only ODIs.

Agreed.

PS. Amla is better than Kohli.

 

[Itachi]

Only ODIs.

Agreed.

PS. Amla is better than Kohli.

game on.

 

[bill_123]

Lol good to see kohli nd sachin fans pouncing on amla during this lean run of his....

He ll regain his odi form soon guys....he is too good to not recovr frm this

 

[bill_123]

Nd yes kohli mayb ahead in odi's right nw but he is still a kid in frnt of da mighty hash in tests....da selfish retired guy also aint a match to amla in tests

 

[Mamoon]

Nd yes kohli mayb ahead in odi's right nw but he is still a kid in frnt of da mighty hash in tests....da selfish retired guy also aint a match to amla in tests

Amla isn't even close to how good Tendulkar was in his prime

He was breaking records at an age Amla couldn't even get into the South African team.

 

[bill_123]

Mamoon ur opinion mate

I dont rate sachin highly, wasnt a match winner in my books nd i dnt rate selfish batsmen highly nyway

Nd amla will end his career much bigger match winner than him imo


Nd doesnt.matter wen amla hit his prime....at his peak he has dne much bettr than nythin dat selfish guy ever did

 

[Mamoon]

Amla isn't a match winner either and he goes missing in ICC events.

Not a pressure player.

 

[Strike Rate]

game on.

I want to join this game too but i am afraid in the end the excuse will be Amla played against trundlers.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Amla is overrated in PP, I have hardly seen him playing blinders in ODI matches. He struggles against quality fast bowlers, he is a beast only against trundlers in India

 

[bill_123]

Amla isn't a match winner either and he goes missing in ICC events.

Not a pressure player.

I was talking tests there...in odis I agree he isnt a proven match winner innicc events yet

 

[Scrolln]

Kohli is in beastly touch nowadays while Amla's ODI average is dropping match by match.

Despite being a fan of both, i'd say that they are taking immense advantage of the lack of quality ODI bowlers nowadays. Apart from Ajmal and Steyn, no one looks like future ATG material as far as ODI bowling is concerned.

 

[James]

Only ODIs.

Agreed.

PS. Amla is better than Kohli.

Hopefully you are talking about Tests.

In ODIs Kohli is miles better than anyone. Has won stacks of matches practically on his own, with otherworldly knocks.

Despite his statzzzz, that simply cannot be said about Amla the ODI batsman.

 

[Mamoon]

Hopefully you are talking about Tests.

In ODIs Kohli is miles better than anyone. Has won stacks of matches practically on his own, with otherworldly knocks.

Despite his statzzzz, that simply cannot be said about Amla the ODI batsman.

Amla is one paced and therefore he isn't a threat in ODIs.

He isn't going to get you a 183 while chasing 320 or a 60 ball hundred.

He is softly going to get to a run a ball hundred with 6 fours and 0 sixes before getting dismissed.

Not a match winner and one of the few guys who can make a Test triple hundred boring

 

[kungfu90]

He is the best batsman of this generation. In the league of ATGs like Sobers, Viv, Lara.

 

[Glory Of '09]

Amla is nothing compared to kohli.

 

[Varun]

Despite what his stats suggest, Amla can never be considered top drawer in ODI cricket. Nor can Kallis, both for whatever reason - perhaps they're too one-dimensional for such a dynamic format and disappear at the slightest shade of pressure.

 

[Buffet]

Despite what his stats suggest, Amla can never be considered top drawer in ODI cricket. Nor can Kallis, both for whatever reason - perhaps they're too one-dimensional for such a dynamic format and disappear at the slightest shade of pressure.

Kallis is an ordinary batsman in ODI but I think you are judging Amla too early. Amla makes his runs without looking dangerous and many of us don't pay attention to his frequent 70 run a ball innings.

He is out of form right now. I will give Amla few years and then judge. He is surely not great in chasing but that's only one part of equation.

 

[Mamoon]

He is the best batsman of this generation. In the league of ATGs like Sobers, Viv, Lara.

ATG in the mould of Kallis perhaps

Not a true ATG you mean

 

[On_the_up]

point was, why criticise akmal when amla is doing the same?

A disappointing year from the threshold of having a 50 average is different from always averaging 30 odd.

 

[Bullet Drive]

A disappointing year from the threshold of having a 50 average is different from always averaging 30 odd.

You mean 40.

Umar is also younger. Umar also keeps wicket. Umar also bats at 6/7. Umar also has a selfish captain. Umar also bats with guys averaging 20s. Don't forget.

 

[jusarrived]

Maybe not but i would be careful about counting out someone who averages over 50 with a strike-rate of over 90. Its just a matter of time before he gets back to his best and facing the indian bowlers will give him a golden chance to do that imo .

Amla plays in the easiest slot in a ODI linup . That is opening . The way he scores his runs he always ensures that SA dont get a quick start . Its batsmen like Warner , Gayle , Dhawan , Rohit who are much more dangerous especially on flat pitches wher you are expected to score 300+ scores . Hes an avg ODI bat .

 

[Inziquicksingle]

Amla plays in the easiest slot in a ODI linup . That is opening . The way he scores his runs he always ensures that SA dont get a quick start .

Theres a lot of BS in here but I would like you to explain how he ensures SA don't get a quick start. Please

 

[jusarrived]

Theres a lot of BS in here but I would like you to explain how he ensures SA don't get a quick start. Please

Cos hes an accumulator . Can only play in 2 gears . Wastes PP completely . Amla at his best will score a run a ball 100 , while we have dozens of other bast arround who can score 30-40 runs more facing the same number of balls .

 

[Buffet]

Can only play in 2 gears . ..... Amla at his best will score a run a ball 100

Agree with above points. Except AB, SA has no one who can play explosive long innings. SA needs one more player like AB to have a good chance in WC. Team has great bowlers and great fielder but as a unit batting is not inspiring. Most of the chokes have been due to batting.

Hes an avg ODI bat .

Don't agree with this at all. An average opener is not scoring 50 runs a ball in world cricket. Even though Amla lacks the skills to shift gears, his performance is much better than an average opener.

 

[On_the_up]

You mean 40.

Umar is also younger. Umar also keeps wicket. Umar also bats at 6/7. Umar also has a selfish captain. Umar also bats with guys averaging 20s. Don't forget.

Akmal's average is 36.62 as we write. I am not saying Umar doesn't have the talent, he for whatever reason hasn't done justice to it. He needs to be more consistent.

 

[jusarrived]

Agree with above points. Except AB, SA has no one who can play explosive long innings. SA needs one more player like AB to have a good chance in WC. Team has great bowlers and great fielder but as a unit batting is not inspiring. Most of the chokes have been due to batting.

Iam surprised they play him in T20s too . SA wer like 1 down for less than 70 in 10 overs thanks to him ..I think he scored ~45 facing 40 balls . I would be abusing him if he was an indian batsmen lol

 

[Inziquicksingle]

Cos hes an accumulator . Can only play in 2 gears . Wastes PP completely . Amla at his best will score a run a ball 100 , while we have dozens of other bast arround who can score 30-40 runs more facing the same number of balls .

So what you're saying is scoring the odd 120SR inning every few series is more valuable than scoring at an excellent but consistent SR. How many openers have an SR above 90 and average above 35? Must be be plenty.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

amla is never an opener, why don't kallis or de villiers open or do they not have a beard

 

[Bullet Drive]

'Amla is an average ODI bat'

 

[Itachi]

pak fans praise amla too much because pak team has not one batsman better than amla.... but india has dhawan,rohit,kohli,raina,uv,dhoni.... all of them are dynamic and can be both accumulator or explosive when time needed.

in t20, one reason RSA lose is due to slow start from amla. in ODI too, he can just make 40(35) which is not enough.

why we are no.1 in ODI but RSA is still an avg ODI team even with amla, ABCD, Kallis???? because all of them are not dynamic.

Stats are not everything.

 

[soso_killer]

Lol alot of inane comments here. Why would anyone "shift a gear" when he is scoring at a run a ball?
Amla definately accellarates towards the end of the innings as well.

The problem with there mickey mouse "explosive" players is that they are horribly inconsistent. How many players average 40 @S.R of 90?

The bottom line is SA were briefly the number 1 side with Kallis, Smith, AB and Amla when they played England in England 2012. Obviously Amla and AB are out of form hence our misery has been compounded this year. With Smith struggling as well. Kallis is always in form (almost).

What SA needs is one more guy to step up other than the usual "quartet". De Kock could be the answer but will have to wait and see. He can be explosive as well. So when Amla and AB find their groove it will be hard to stop this side.

What i have noticed is that you need atleast two of your best players in form in ODI's and you will have very competitive scores. Certainly was the case with Amla and AB while Kallis was missing.

 

[Nuekboi]

Kohli is in beastly touch nowadays while Amla's ODI average is dropping match by match.

Despite being a fan of both, i'd say that they are taking immense advantage of the lack of quality ODI bowlers nowadays. Apart from Ajmal and Steyn, no one looks like future ATG material as far as ODI bowling is concerned.

WHAT!?! BAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Just because the entire Pakistani top 6 boosted his average from a mediocre 30 to an decent-ish 27.5 Steyngun is now gonna be ATG ODI bowler?

Gimme a break

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Take that say's Amla!

 

[Mamoon]

Take that say's Amla!

Take what? Its been a poor innings.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Pathetic knock by Amla, selfish knock, playing for his century, hope he gets out

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Take what? Its been a poor innings.

Pathetic knock by Amla, selfish knock, playing for his century, hope he gets out

Not his fault Smith and Kallis played like idiots. He's complemented De Kock and ABDV very well. A well paced innings imo.

 

[Mamoon]

Not his fault Smith and Kallis played like idiots. He's complemented De Kock and ABDV very well. A well paced innings imo.

Please. He has been playing a pointless knock long before Kallis came onto the crease.

Just because de Villiers has played a special innings doesn't justify Amla's approach.

 

[Bhaijaan]

#ThankYouAmla

 

[cricketjoshila]

Choked.

 

[cricfan967]

Bump.

 

[RIFAT @]

lol . Played for his hundred

 

[Sandeep]

@Mamoon_, spot on

 

[Bhaijaan]

One of the worst batting efforts really, the finish is so important. If only he had remained not out in winning cause, he would have rather been praised. But screwing the team in penultimate over after all the time wasting nonsense is not on.

 

[Extreme Pace]

Damn man he choked hard in that Saeed Ajmal over, kind of lost them the game there.

 

[mithun_minhas]

Amla is a top grade selfish choker.

 

[Itachi]

a selfish innings comparable to 100th 100 of tendu.... a very selfish cricketer AND a choker lol.

 

[Inziquicksingle]

Good innings, just gave it away at the end. At least he's back in form.

Perfect scenario though: Amla makes a good score and Pakistan still win!

 

[Mamoon]

What a woeful innings.

 

[jusarrived]

Selfish is pushing it .

The Point is he has limitations as a ODI player & it gets exposed when the chase bigger totals .

 

[jusarrived]

Avg ODI player , proved it again .

 

[Mamoon]

This is why he can't be compared to Kohli, who is a match winner and kills the game himself.

Amla is so reliant on his teammates. Overrated batsman.

 

[kungfu90]

Mamoon ur opinion mate

I dont rate sachin highly, wasnt a match winner in my books nd i dnt rate selfish batsmen highly nyway

Nd amla will end his career much bigger match winner than him imo


Nd doesnt.matter wen amla hit his prime....at his peak he has dne much bettr than nythin dat selfish guy ever did

Don't hate Amla but this line from an Amla devotee makes my day.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Good innings, just gave it away at the end. At least he's back in form.

Perfect scenario though: Amla makes a good score and Pakistan still win!

Playing 35 dot balls in a run a ball chase is a good innings ? Turning a 6 req rate into 9 rep rate and then putting pressure on his team mates is a good innings ?

 

[battler]

U just nailed it Mamoon!
Absolutely nailed it!

 

[farazaidi]

lol, funny thread