How many more Test matches can Jasprit Bumrah play?

[Ted123]

Bumrah’s home performance vs top teams- SENA:

Matches - 8
Wickets - 26
Avg - 22

Bumrah’s stats against top teams is used by Indian posters over here just to give a misleading impression that he dominates them, but in reality, this perception falls apart when we look at his home performances against top sides, where he has played only 8 Tests. He has bashed WI, BD and SL at home to elevate his home average to 17.

Tell me, how is he better than Imran or Wasim when all he has managed is 8 matches at home and in Asia vs top teams in 8 years of his career? Imran, Wasim and Waqar played almost 30-40 tests in Asia.

 

[Hikaru]

Bumrah is the bowling equivalent of Viv Richards, only better. 300 Test wickets at same rate, and the guy is undisputed GOAT.

 

[saimayubera]

GOAT Asian test pacer is Imran Khan. Won player of series in Windies, Australia and England for his bowling performance. Won player of series in India for his batting performance.

GOAT run at home where he dominated India by picking 40 wickets in a test series. Phenomenal home record over a longer test sample.

We are not talking all rounders. Imran is a great allrounder but we are not talking about his batting.

Bumrah has also won player of series in SA, England and Australia.

Bumrah also averages 17 in India and dominated England at home in 2024 who are far superior to India of the 80s. Obviously can't take the same amount of wickets cause Bumrah had Ashwin, Jadeja, Kuldeep bowling alongside. Imran never had spinners of that level.

Plus Pakistan at home in the 80s was always iffy. You can see the disparity between home and away averages.

Imran - home average - 163 @ 19.2, away - 199 @ 25.76

Bumrah - home average - 50 @ 17.32, away - 172 @ 20.54

Bumrah will overtake Imran's away wickets. Home wickets won't be able to overtake number wise due to the spinners but will get to 100 odd at a better average.

 

[saimayubera]

Bumrah’s home performance vs top teams- SENA:

Matches - 8
Wickets - 26
Avg - 22

Bumrah’s stats against top teams is used by Indian posters over here just to give a misleading impression that he dominates them, but in reality, this perception falls apart when we look at his home performances against top sides, where he has played only 8 Tests. He has bashed WI, BD and SL at home to elevate his home average to 17.

Tell me, how is he better than Imran or Wasim when all he has managed is 8 matches at home and in Asia vs top teams in 8 years of his career? Imran, Wasim and Waqar played almost 30-40 tests in Asia.

India also had two of greatest Asian conditions bowler during Bumrah's reign so he simply didn't need to play those.

Plus 22 average is in line with what Wasim, Waqar, Imran average at home vs the top teams. And we all know the home shenanigans that occurred then.

Of course, unlike the other three Bumrah's career is ongoing so those numbers will keep going up.

 

[Ted123]

India also had two of greatest Asian conditions bowler during Bumrah's reign so he simply didn't need to play those.

Plus 22 average is in line with what Wasim, Waqar, Imran average at home vs the top teams. And we all know the home shenanigans that occurred then.

Of course, unlike the other three Bumrah's career is ongoing so those numbers will keep going up.

Sample of 8 home matches don’t tell us anything. Imran, Wasim and Waqar did the same for 30-40 test sample. Let him maintain that avg to 22-23 for 20+ home tests and then we can consider him as a ATG at same level as Imran, Wasim or Waqar.

Also, he has flopped big time vs NZ home, away and neutral venues every time. Only smashing BD, WI don’t make you a great home test bowler. The way he has bottled every single time vs NZ home, away and in neutral venue is downright hilarious and yet you are willing to put him at level above Imran/Wasim lol.

 

[saimayubera]

Sample of 8 home matches don’t tell us anything. Imran, Wasim and Waqar did the same for 30-40 test sample. Let him maintain that avg to 22-23 for 20+ home tests and then we can consider him as a ATG at same level as Imran, Wasim or Waqar.

Also, he has flopped big time vs NZ home, away and neutral venues every time. Only smashing BD, WI don’t make you a great home test bowler. The way he has bottled every single time vs NZ home, away and in neutral venue is downright hilarious and yet you are willing to put him at level above Imran/Wasim lol.

Bumrah has smashed England at home too which you are conveniently ignoring lol.

Just like you are conveniently ignoring away averages.

"Home" records in Pakistan till early 90s is super dubious with ball tampering/home umpires etc. There is a reason Pakistan have stopped producing good fast bowlers.

And Imran/Wasim have way larger holes in their careers lol.

Bumrah for all his "bottling" in NZ averages 31 there. Wasim averages 39 in SA.

And Imran was very mediocre away from home vs top sides. Averaged 26 away from home vs all teams minus minnow SL. When the bottle caps/home umpires are not there, it is tougher to take wickets.

Bumrah averages 20.5 away from home.

 

[Ted123]

Bumrah has smashed England at home too which you are conveniently ignoring lol.

Just like you are conveniently ignoring away averages.

"Home" records in Pakistan till early 90s is super dubious with ball tampering/home umpires etc. There is a reason Pakistan have stopped producing good fast bowlers.

And Imran/Wasim have way larger holes in their careers lol.

Bumrah for all his "bottling" in NZ averages 31 there. Wasim averages 39 in SA.

And Imran was very mediocre away from home vs top sides. Averaged 26 away from home vs all teams minus minnow SL. When the bottle caps/home umpires are not there, it is tougher to take wickets.

Bumrah averages 20.5 away from home.

Bumrah’s sample for test matches is 8 matches lol. England series is included in it. But yeah the failure in WTC Final and NZ tour is in addition to that.

There is nothing dubious of home record in Pakistan. Everyone tampered with the ball and it was common in that era. Simply blaming Pakistani fast bowlers for the same is being just ignorant. The reason Pakistan stopped producing great fast bowlers is because those fast bowlers got developed due to county stint while the recent fast bowlers are relying on their own system which is a problem.

Imran’s away avg is lower because he reinvented himself as a primary batsman whose bowling avg went downhill due to regular injuries. That affected his numbers away from home. He has won player of series in WI, Eng and Aus due to bowling performance so that is exactly what Bumrah has achieved away from home( player of series in Aus, Eng, SA). However, Imran’s phenomenal home performance is what makes him well ahead of Bumrah who has often gotten injured on home tours vs good sides.

 

[saimayubera]

Bumrah’s sample for test matches is 8 matches lol. England series is included in it. But yeah the failure in WTC Final and NZ tour is in addition to that.

There is nothing dubious of home record in Pakistan. Everyone tampered with the ball and it was common in that era. Simply blaming Pakistani fast bowlers for the same is being just ignorant. The reason Pakistan stopped producing great fast bowlers is because those fast bowlers got developed due to county stint while the recent fast bowlers are relying on their own system which is a problem.

Imran’s away avg is lower because he reinvented himself as a primary batsman whose bowling avg went downhill due to regular injuries. That affected his numbers away from home. He has won player of series in WI, Eng and Aus due to bowling performance so that is exactly what Bumrah has achieved away from home( player of series in Aus, Eng, SA). However, Imran’s phenomenal home performance is what makes him well ahead of Bumrah who has often gotten injured on home tours vs good sides.

Bumrah's "failure" in NZ averages 31. What does that make Wasim averaging 39 in SA?

Also that point of Imran's away average doesn't really count because its over his entire career. Reinventing as a batsman later in the career doesn't change the fact that Imran averages 26 away, Bumrah 20.

You could use Bumrah's home record against him if he averaged badly but he averages 22 so nothing saying he won't succeed against good teams at home.

 

[Ted123]

Bumrah's "failure" in NZ averages 31. What does that make Wasim averaging 39 in SA?

Also that point of Imran's away average doesn't really count because its over his entire career. Reinventing as a batsman later in the career doesn't change the fact that Imran averages 26 away, Bumrah 20.

You could use Bumrah's home record against him if he averaged badly but he averages 22 so nothing saying he won't succeed against good teams at home.

Bumrah’s failure is at home also vs NZ and not just away. He averages 45 vs NZ.

Why it doesn’t count for Imran? He was all rounder in addition to being the best test bowler. Even if his bowling declines due to injuries, he can merit a place by good batting. It shouldn’t be taken against him, especially because you are actually arguing in favour of Bumrah who hasn’t yet touched 50 tests. He hasn’t played Australia or South Africa at home either. Simply bashing WI or BD at home isn’t enough.

 

[saimayubera]

Bumrah’s failure is at home also vs NZ and not just away. He averages 45 vs NZ.

Why it doesn’t count for Imran? He was all rounder in addition to being the best test bowler. Even if his bowling declines due to injuries, he can merit a place by good batting. It shouldn’t be taken against him, especially because you are actually arguing in favour of Bumrah who hasn’t yet touched 50 tests. He hasn’t played Australia or South Africa at home either. Simply bashing WI or BD at home isn’t enough.

No one is arguing about Imran the all rounder. We are talking Imran the pacer.

Does Jadeja/Ashwin become better than Warne or Murali cause of AR abilities?

And I like how you are conveniently ignoring the fact that he bashed England at home too. He will play SA next month and Aus next year. What qualifier will you add then?

 

[kron]

Sample of 8 home matches don’t tell us anything. Imran, Wasim and Waqar did the same for 30-40 test sample. Let him maintain that avg to 22-23 for 20+ home tests and then we can consider him as a ATG at same level as Imran, Wasim or Waqar.

Also, he has flopped big time vs NZ home, away and neutral venues every time. Only smashing BD, WI don’t make you a great home test bowler. The way he has bottled every single time vs NZ home, away and in neutral venue is downright hilarious and yet you are willing to put him at level above Imran/Wasim lol.

Shami is better than Waqar let alone bumrah who is the goat Asian pace bowler

Wasim and Waqar themselves said so.

 

[Katwalindian]

Bumrah's "failure" in NZ averages 31. What does that make Wasim averaging 39 in SA?

Also that point of Imran's away average doesn't really count because its over his entire career. Reinventing as a batsman later in the career doesn't change the fact that Imran averages 26 away, Bumrah 20.

You could use Bumrah's home record against him if he averaged badly but he averages 22 so nothing saying he won't succeed against good teams at home.

The pitches bumrah gets in SA and the quality of batting SA have eg tony de zorzi, rickelton, stubbs wasim would be averaging 10 I he is playing now.....

 

[saimayubera]

The pitches bumrah gets in SA and the quality of batting SA have eg tony de zorzi, rickelton, stubbs wasim would be averaging 10 I he is playing now.....

Brother, you can use the same logic with the NZ/Eng lineups that Bumrah faced vs Wasim did.

If Bumrah got to face 90s NZ/Eng he would be averaging 10 vs them too.

 

[Buffet]

Sample of 8 home matches don’t tell us anything. Imran, Wasim and Waqar did the same for 30-40 test sample. Let him maintain that avg to 22-23 for 20+ home tests and then we can consider him as a ATG at same level as Imran, Wasim or Waqar.

Also, he has flopped big time vs NZ home, away and neutral venues every time. Only smashing BD, WI don’t make you a great home test bowler. The way he has bottled every single time vs NZ home, away and in neutral venue is downright hilarious and yet you are willing to put him at level above Imran/Wasim lol.

Sample of 8 tests in one venue against top 4 opponents is large enough to judge anyone. Many ATG pacers have way less than 8 tests in one venue.

Anyway, when all said and done,

Best Asian bowler against Eng ( home and away combined) - Bumrah
Best Asian bowler agaisnt Aus ( home and away combined ) - Bumrah
Best Asian bowler against SA ( home and away combined ) - Bumrah

End result home and away combined looks like this,




If your argument is that Bumrah has smashed these teams in their den but did not get home lion stats like Ashwin, Jadeja, IK, Waqar etc then it's a silly argument.

Home lions did play more games at home and performed, but their away performance against good teams was just not up there with the best during their playing days and we can forget about being among the best in history. Bumrah away performance is among the best among his peer gorup and also in history. Bumrah is simply in different tier.

Yah, and about sample size against top 4 sides at home, Take top 4 opponents based on W/L during Wasim and Waqar, and guess what? They don't have 20+ tests at home against top 4 opponents as well.

 

[kron]

Brother, you can use the same logic with the NZ/Eng lineups that Bumrah faced vs Wasim did.

If Bumrah got to face 90s NZ/Eng he would be averaging 10 vs them too.

Waqar averages 75 vs india
And 50 vs Australia

Loooool away from home

Away performance matter more than home

 

[saimayubera]

Sample of 8 tests in one venue against top 4 opponents is large enough to judge anyone. Many ATG pacers have way less than 8 tests in one venue.

Anyway, when all said and done,

Best Asian bowler against Eng ( home and away combined) - Bumrah
Best Asian bowler agaisnt Aus ( home and away combined ) - Bumrah
Best Asian bowler against SA ( home and away combined ) - Bumrah

End result home and away combined looks like this,

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If your argument is that Bumrah has smashed these teams in their den but did not get home lion stats like Ashwin, Jadeja, IK, Waqar etc then it's a silly argument.

Home lions did play more games at home and performed, but their away performance against good teams was just not up there with the best during their playing days and we can forget about being among the best in history. Bumrah away performance is among the best among his peer gorup and also in history. Bumrah is simply in different tier.

Yah, and about sample size against top 4 sides at home, Take top 4 opponents based on W/L during Wasim and Waqar, and guess what? They don't have 20+ tests at home against top 4 opponents as well.

And not like Bumrah's home performance is bad. Just sample size is low. Averages 17 in India and 22 vs SENA.

In a couple of years even that sample size will have increased.