How many more Test matches can Jasprit Bumrah play?

[Ted123]

Bumrah’s home performance vs top teams- SENA:

Matches - 8
Wickets - 26
Avg - 22

Bumrah’s stats against top teams is used by Indian posters over here just to give a misleading impression that he dominates them, but in reality, this perception falls apart when we look at his home performances against top sides, where he has played only 8 Tests. He has bashed WI, BD and SL at home to elevate his home average to 17.

Tell me, how is he better than Imran or Wasim when all he has managed is 8 matches at home and in Asia vs top teams in 8 years of his career? Imran, Wasim and Waqar played almost 30-40 tests in Asia.

 

[Hikaru]

Bumrah is the bowling equivalent of Viv Richards, only better. 300 Test wickets at same rate, and the guy is undisputed GOAT.

 

[saimayubera]

GOAT Asian test pacer is Imran Khan. Won player of series in Windies, Australia and England for his bowling performance. Won player of series in India for his batting performance.

GOAT run at home where he dominated India by picking 40 wickets in a test series. Phenomenal home record over a longer test sample.

We are not talking all rounders. Imran is a great allrounder but we are not talking about his batting.

Bumrah has also won player of series in SA, England and Australia.

Bumrah also averages 17 in India and dominated England at home in 2024 who are far superior to India of the 80s. Obviously can't take the same amount of wickets cause Bumrah had Ashwin, Jadeja, Kuldeep bowling alongside. Imran never had spinners of that level.

Plus Pakistan at home in the 80s was always iffy. You can see the disparity between home and away averages.

Imran - home average - 163 @ 19.2, away - 199 @ 25.76

Bumrah - home average - 50 @ 17.32, away - 172 @ 20.54

Bumrah will overtake Imran's away wickets. Home wickets won't be able to overtake number wise due to the spinners but will get to 100 odd at a better average.

 

[saimayubera]

Bumrah’s home performance vs top teams- SENA:

Matches - 8
Wickets - 26
Avg - 22

Bumrah’s stats against top teams is used by Indian posters over here just to give a misleading impression that he dominates them, but in reality, this perception falls apart when we look at his home performances against top sides, where he has played only 8 Tests. He has bashed WI, BD and SL at home to elevate his home average to 17.

Tell me, how is he better than Imran or Wasim when all he has managed is 8 matches at home and in Asia vs top teams in 8 years of his career? Imran, Wasim and Waqar played almost 30-40 tests in Asia.

India also had two of greatest Asian conditions bowler during Bumrah's reign so he simply didn't need to play those.

Plus 22 average is in line with what Wasim, Waqar, Imran average at home vs the top teams. And we all know the home shenanigans that occurred then.

Of course, unlike the other three Bumrah's career is ongoing so those numbers will keep going up.

 

[Ted123]

India also had two of greatest Asian conditions bowler during Bumrah's reign so he simply didn't need to play those.

Plus 22 average is in line with what Wasim, Waqar, Imran average at home vs the top teams. And we all know the home shenanigans that occurred then.

Of course, unlike the other three Bumrah's career is ongoing so those numbers will keep going up.

Sample of 8 home matches don’t tell us anything. Imran, Wasim and Waqar did the same for 30-40 test sample. Let him maintain that avg to 22-23 for 20+ home tests and then we can consider him as a ATG at same level as Imran, Wasim or Waqar.

Also, he has flopped big time vs NZ home, away and neutral venues every time. Only smashing BD, WI don’t make you a great home test bowler. The way he has bottled every single time vs NZ home, away and in neutral venue is downright hilarious and yet you are willing to put him at level above Imran/Wasim lol.

 

[saimayubera]

Sample of 8 home matches don’t tell us anything. Imran, Wasim and Waqar did the same for 30-40 test sample. Let him maintain that avg to 22-23 for 20+ home tests and then we can consider him as a ATG at same level as Imran, Wasim or Waqar.

Also, he has flopped big time vs NZ home, away and neutral venues every time. Only smashing BD, WI don’t make you a great home test bowler. The way he has bottled every single time vs NZ home, away and in neutral venue is downright hilarious and yet you are willing to put him at level above Imran/Wasim lol.

Bumrah has smashed England at home too which you are conveniently ignoring lol.

Just like you are conveniently ignoring away averages.

"Home" records in Pakistan till early 90s is super dubious with ball tampering/home umpires etc. There is a reason Pakistan have stopped producing good fast bowlers.

And Imran/Wasim have way larger holes in their careers lol.

Bumrah for all his "bottling" in NZ averages 31 there. Wasim averages 39 in SA.

And Imran was very mediocre away from home vs top sides. Averaged 26 away from home vs all teams minus minnow SL. When the bottle caps/home umpires are not there, it is tougher to take wickets.

Bumrah averages 20.5 away from home.

 

[Ted123]

Bumrah has smashed England at home too which you are conveniently ignoring lol.

Just like you are conveniently ignoring away averages.

"Home" records in Pakistan till early 90s is super dubious with ball tampering/home umpires etc. There is a reason Pakistan have stopped producing good fast bowlers.

And Imran/Wasim have way larger holes in their careers lol.

Bumrah for all his "bottling" in NZ averages 31 there. Wasim averages 39 in SA.

And Imran was very mediocre away from home vs top sides. Averaged 26 away from home vs all teams minus minnow SL. When the bottle caps/home umpires are not there, it is tougher to take wickets.

Bumrah averages 20.5 away from home.

Bumrah’s sample for test matches is 8 matches lol. England series is included in it. But yeah the failure in WTC Final and NZ tour is in addition to that.

There is nothing dubious of home record in Pakistan. Everyone tampered with the ball and it was common in that era. Simply blaming Pakistani fast bowlers for the same is being just ignorant. The reason Pakistan stopped producing great fast bowlers is because those fast bowlers got developed due to county stint while the recent fast bowlers are relying on their own system which is a problem.

Imran’s away avg is lower because he reinvented himself as a primary batsman whose bowling avg went downhill due to regular injuries. That affected his numbers away from home. He has won player of series in WI, Eng and Aus due to bowling performance so that is exactly what Bumrah has achieved away from home( player of series in Aus, Eng, SA). However, Imran’s phenomenal home performance is what makes him well ahead of Bumrah who has often gotten injured on home tours vs good sides.

 

[saimayubera]

Bumrah’s sample for test matches is 8 matches lol. England series is included in it. But yeah the failure in WTC Final and NZ tour is in addition to that.

There is nothing dubious of home record in Pakistan. Everyone tampered with the ball and it was common in that era. Simply blaming Pakistani fast bowlers for the same is being just ignorant. The reason Pakistan stopped producing great fast bowlers is because those fast bowlers got developed due to county stint while the recent fast bowlers are relying on their own system which is a problem.

Imran’s away avg is lower because he reinvented himself as a primary batsman whose bowling avg went downhill due to regular injuries. That affected his numbers away from home. He has won player of series in WI, Eng and Aus due to bowling performance so that is exactly what Bumrah has achieved away from home( player of series in Aus, Eng, SA). However, Imran’s phenomenal home performance is what makes him well ahead of Bumrah who has often gotten injured on home tours vs good sides.

Bumrah's "failure" in NZ averages 31. What does that make Wasim averaging 39 in SA?

Also that point of Imran's away average doesn't really count because its over his entire career. Reinventing as a batsman later in the career doesn't change the fact that Imran averages 26 away, Bumrah 20.

You could use Bumrah's home record against him if he averaged badly but he averages 22 so nothing saying he won't succeed against good teams at home.

 

[Ted123]

Bumrah's "failure" in NZ averages 31. What does that make Wasim averaging 39 in SA?

Also that point of Imran's away average doesn't really count because its over his entire career. Reinventing as a batsman later in the career doesn't change the fact that Imran averages 26 away, Bumrah 20.

You could use Bumrah's home record against him if he averaged badly but he averages 22 so nothing saying he won't succeed against good teams at home.

Bumrah’s failure is at home also vs NZ and not just away. He averages 45 vs NZ.

Why it doesn’t count for Imran? He was all rounder in addition to being the best test bowler. Even if his bowling declines due to injuries, he can merit a place by good batting. It shouldn’t be taken against him, especially because you are actually arguing in favour of Bumrah who hasn’t yet touched 50 tests. He hasn’t played Australia or South Africa at home either. Simply bashing WI or BD at home isn’t enough.

 

[saimayubera]

Bumrah’s failure is at home also vs NZ and not just away. He averages 45 vs NZ.

Why it doesn’t count for Imran? He was all rounder in addition to being the best test bowler. Even if his bowling declines due to injuries, he can merit a place by good batting. It shouldn’t be taken against him, especially because you are actually arguing in favour of Bumrah who hasn’t yet touched 50 tests. He hasn’t played Australia or South Africa at home either. Simply bashing WI or BD at home isn’t enough.

No one is arguing about Imran the all rounder. We are talking Imran the pacer.

Does Jadeja/Ashwin become better than Warne or Murali cause of AR abilities?

And I like how you are conveniently ignoring the fact that he bashed England at home too. He will play SA next month and Aus next year. What qualifier will you add then?

 

[kron]

Sample of 8 home matches don’t tell us anything. Imran, Wasim and Waqar did the same for 30-40 test sample. Let him maintain that avg to 22-23 for 20+ home tests and then we can consider him as a ATG at same level as Imran, Wasim or Waqar.

Also, he has flopped big time vs NZ home, away and neutral venues every time. Only smashing BD, WI don’t make you a great home test bowler. The way he has bottled every single time vs NZ home, away and in neutral venue is downright hilarious and yet you are willing to put him at level above Imran/Wasim lol.

Shami is better than Waqar let alone bumrah who is the goat Asian pace bowler

Wasim and Waqar themselves said so.

 

[Katwalindian]

Bumrah's "failure" in NZ averages 31. What does that make Wasim averaging 39 in SA?

Also that point of Imran's away average doesn't really count because its over his entire career. Reinventing as a batsman later in the career doesn't change the fact that Imran averages 26 away, Bumrah 20.

You could use Bumrah's home record against him if he averaged badly but he averages 22 so nothing saying he won't succeed against good teams at home.

The pitches bumrah gets in SA and the quality of batting SA have eg tony de zorzi, rickelton, stubbs wasim would be averaging 10 I he is playing now.....

 

[saimayubera]

The pitches bumrah gets in SA and the quality of batting SA have eg tony de zorzi, rickelton, stubbs wasim would be averaging 10 I he is playing now.....

Brother, you can use the same logic with the NZ/Eng lineups that Bumrah faced vs Wasim did.

If Bumrah got to face 90s NZ/Eng he would be averaging 10 vs them too.

 

[Buffet]

Sample of 8 home matches don’t tell us anything. Imran, Wasim and Waqar did the same for 30-40 test sample. Let him maintain that avg to 22-23 for 20+ home tests and then we can consider him as a ATG at same level as Imran, Wasim or Waqar.

Also, he has flopped big time vs NZ home, away and neutral venues every time. Only smashing BD, WI don’t make you a great home test bowler. The way he has bottled every single time vs NZ home, away and in neutral venue is downright hilarious and yet you are willing to put him at level above Imran/Wasim lol.

Sample of 8 tests in one venue against top 4 opponents is large enough to judge anyone. Many ATG pacers have way less than 8 tests in one venue.

Anyway, when all said and done,

Best Asian bowler against Eng ( home and away combined) - Bumrah
Best Asian bowler agaisnt Aus ( home and away combined ) - Bumrah
Best Asian bowler against SA ( home and away combined ) - Bumrah

End result home and away combined looks like this,




If your argument is that Bumrah has smashed these teams in their den but did not get home lion stats like Ashwin, Jadeja, IK, Waqar etc then it's a silly argument.

Home lions did play more games at home and performed, but their away performance against good teams was just not up there with the best during their playing days and we can forget about being among the best in history. Bumrah away performance is among the best among his peer gorup and also in history. Bumrah is simply in different tier.

Yah, and about sample size against top 4 sides at home, Take top 4 opponents based on W/L during Wasim and Waqar, and guess what? They don't have 20+ tests at home against top 4 opponents as well.

 

[kron]

Brother, you can use the same logic with the NZ/Eng lineups that Bumrah faced vs Wasim did.

If Bumrah got to face 90s NZ/Eng he would be averaging 10 vs them too.

Waqar averages 75 vs india
And 50 vs Australia

Loooool away from home

Away performance matter more than home

 

[saimayubera]

Sample of 8 tests in one venue against top 4 opponents is large enough to judge anyone. Many ATG pacers have way less than 8 tests in one venue.

Anyway, when all said and done,

Best Asian bowler against Eng ( home and away combined) - Bumrah
Best Asian bowler agaisnt Aus ( home and away combined ) - Bumrah
Best Asian bowler against SA ( home and away combined ) - Bumrah

End result home and away combined looks like this,

View attachment 158569


If your argument is that Bumrah has smashed these teams in their den but did not get home lion stats like Ashwin, Jadeja, IK, Waqar etc then it's a silly argument.

Home lions did play more games at home and performed, but their away performance against good teams was just not up there with the best during their playing days and we can forget about being among the best in history. Bumrah away performance is among the best among his peer gorup and also in history. Bumrah is simply in different tier.

Yah, and about sample size against top 4 sides at home, Take top 4 opponents based on W/L during Wasim and Waqar, and guess what? They don't have 20+ tests at home against top 4 opponents as well.

And not like Bumrah's home performance is bad. Just sample size is low. Averages 17 in India and 22 vs SENA.

In a couple of years even that sample size will have increased.

 

[Ab Fan]

How many more for Bumrah? Will he play beyond 2027 WC? Will he travel for next tour of Australia or England?

 

[Vikram1989]

I see

2 vs sa 25
2 vs sl( ?) 26
2 vs nz in nz 26

2 or 3 vs Aus in india,27
Hopefully wtc 27 finals as last match

At max 10 more tests.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bumrah cannot play too many games because of his fitness issues..

 

[BouncerGuy]

2 wickets so far by Bumrah.... How good is he... Just top-class

 

[sithb]

He'll play for another 2 years. Maybe 40-50 wickets in there.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Naah. In cricket India's infra is a good as Australia if not better. Not so for other sports

Grass roots infrastructure in last 10 years have taken a huge leap the visual may not be the same but infrastructure has gone up by several notches as money is pouring in like a roaring river

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

He'll play for another 2 years. Maybe 40-50 wickets in there.

He will play atleast 20 more tests and will end up with 300+ wickets.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pak fans are generally have poor sense of judging a talent. You could see from the way your current batting line up getting hyped. I am not surprised by your view. There is a pattern. Pick the best player of India and compare with random guy just to put that player down, if nobody is available compare one of the guy from the indian set up with them. Seen enough comparisons with Tendulkar with similar pattern. Except Pak fans in this forum literally any cricketing expert from any country will disagree with you. You know that too. Be it is simon doull or Ian bishop. I will take your views with bucket of salt.

Pak fans thought inzi was comparable to srt in batsmanship, tells you their judgement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He will play atleast 20 more tests and will end up with 300+ wickets.

Nearly 230 wickets


Pakistanis don’t want bumrah to last long because bumrah is on his way to become the. Greatest asian fast bowler, if not there already. Something Pakistani cricket fans can’t digest

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bumrah’s sample for test matches is 8 matches lol. England series is included in it. But yeah the failure in WTC Final and NZ tour is in addition to that.

There is nothing dubious of home record in Pakistan. Everyone tampered with the ball and it was common in that era. Simply blaming Pakistani fast bowlers for the same is being just ignorant. The reason Pakistan stopped producing great fast bowlers is because those fast bowlers got developed due to county stint while the recent fast bowlers are relying on their own system which is a problem.

Imran’s away avg is lower because he reinvented himself as a primary batsman whose bowling avg went downhill due to regular injuries. That affected his numbers away from home. He has won player of series in WI, Eng and Aus due to bowling performance so that is exactly what Bumrah has achieved away from home( player of series in Aus, Eng, SA). However, Imran’s phenomenal home performance is what makes him well ahead of Bumrah who has often gotten injured on home tours vs good sides.

There were no Pakistani umpires away from home to help imran and definitely no bottle caps

 

[Hitman]

There were no Pakistani umpires away from home to help imran and definitely no bottle caps

Shakoor Rana was the most innocent one. Such confidence Miandad had in him that he often used to taunt the visiting teams to Pakistan, "Don't bother appealing. This is my land, my rules'. And that has been put down by Steve Waugh himself in his autobiography. ​

 

[kron]

Naah. In cricket India's infra is a good as Australia if not better. Not so for other sports

Not standard of living

Still poor country
So we are over achieving actually

 

[cricketjoshila]

Shakoor Rana was the most innocent one. Such confidence Miandad had in him that he often used to taunt the visiting teams to Pakistan, "Don't bother appealing. This is my land, my rules'. And that has been put down by Steve Waugh himself in his autobiography. ​

Who is steve waugh, he knows nothing about cricket because as perPakistanis miandad is a atg

 

[Rafale Nidhal Fan]

he's 35+ in real age....I don't think he is going to last long. His fitness is horrible and given his age and how he skips games.

 

[Hitman]

Who is steve waugh, he knows nothing about because asper Pakistanis miandad is a atg

LOL, perfectly said. What would a former Australian player know after touring Pakistan in the 80's, someone who went on to become an Australian captain. These random nobodies from Pakistan on PP would know much better. As for Miandad, an average of 29 against the best team of his time, the West Indies. Enough said!

I would die in shame if the best batsman of my country averaged 29 against the best team of his time.​

 

[sithb]

Pak fans thought inzi was comparable to srt in batsmanship, tells you their judgement.

They even compared Umar Akmal to every other Indian batsman

 

[sithb]

Nearly 230 wickets


Pakistanis don’t want bumrah to last long because bumrah is on his way to become the. Greatest asian fast bowler, if not there already. Something Pakistani cricket fans can’t digest

He's firmly in the top 3 there. A case might be made for him to be #1 but that would require him playing atleast 100 tests which I don't believe his body will sustain

 

[kron]

He's firmly in the top 3 there. A case might be made for him to be #1 but that would require him playing atleast 100 tests which I don't believe his body will sustain

Lmaooooo

He is already the goat Asian pacer of all time

100 tests hahahahab yea right

65 tests to 70 max

More than sufficient

Garner had like 60 tests max.

Impact wise he is already the goat from Asia.

 

[sithb]

He will play atleast 20 more tests and will end up with 300+ wickets.

Highly unlikely. Given how bcci tends to over use him in t20s and IPL.

If he's managed better , he might get another 12 more tests.

 

[NishanKonar]

Highly unlikely. Given how bcci tends to over use him in t20s and IPL.

If he's managed better , he might get another 12 more tests.

He should retire from T20 internationals after 2026 World T20

That way he can extend his test career to 2028

 

[saimayubera]

Bumrah’s home performance vs top teams- SENA:

Matches - 8
Wickets - 26
Avg - 22

Bumrah’s stats against top teams is used by Indian posters over here just to give a misleading impression that he dominates them, but in reality, this perception falls apart when we look at his home performances against top sides, where he has played only 8 Tests. He has bashed WI, BD and SL at home to elevate his home average to 17.

Tell me, how is he better than Imran or Wasim when all he has managed is 8 matches at home and in Asia vs top teams in 8 years of his career? Imran, Wasim and Waqar played almost 30-40 tests in Asia.

Add 5 more wickets and decrease that average a bit lol.

 

[saimayubera]

He should retire from T20 internationals after 2026 World T20

That way he can extend his test career to 2028

2028 Olympics Gold is also there

 

[saimayubera]

He's firmly in the top 3 there. A case might be made for him to be #1 but that would require him playing atleast 100 tests which I don't believe his body will sustain

Even imran and waqar don’t have 100

 

[Sachin fan]

Bumrah’s failure is at home also vs NZ and not just away. He averages 45 vs NZ.

Why it doesn’t count for Imran? He was all rounder in addition to being the best test bowler. Even if his bowling declines due to injuries, he can merit a place by good batting. It shouldn’t be taken against him, especially because you are actually arguing in favour of Bumrah who hasn’t yet touched 50 tests. He hasn’t played Australia or South Africa at home either. Simply bashing WI or BD at home isn’t enough.Dude Waqar wasim etc average over 50 in certain conditions.

Dude Waqar, wasim avarage over 5o if I slice and dice things like you do.

Just admit that you are jealous and move on

 

[DeadlyVenom]

With good rest and recovery he can play for 5 years

 

[cricketjoshila]

He's firmly in the top 3 there. A case might be made for him to be #1 but that would require him playing atleast 100 tests which I don't believe his body will sustain

Why 10 tests he already has 200 plus wickets closing in on 250 in 50 plus tests

That’s a good enough sample size

Imran didn’t play 100 tests

 

[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS ABOUT BUMRAH'S MATCHES IN TEST CRICKET.... NO MORE IRRELEVANT POSTS FROM NOW

 

[Ab Fan]

Terrific performance. Bumrah finding his feat again and this time at home. Those searing yorkers are such delight to watch.

 

[TheNeutralist]

They even compared Umar Akmal to every other Indian batsman

My favorite is Umar Akmal Vs Virat Kohli

 

[Sachin fan]

Most times dismissing both openers in a test inns (since 2018)


13 - Jasprit Bumrah
12 - Stuart Broad
11 - R Ashwin
9 - Kagiso Rabada
9 - James Anderson

So much for the narrative that he picked tailend wickets.

 

[Buffet]

230+ wickets at Avg 19.5 and SR 42 -- Phew

Lets see how long he can keep going ( not just the volume, those are dime and dozens, but quality)

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumrah is literally a GOAT as long as he is not playing against NZ.

 

[kron]

Bumrah is literally a GOAT as long as he is not playing against NZ.

Even in nz average is 31. Not bad at all

He played injured there.

We shall see this time.

He needs one good performance there
And one more at home vs Aus or nz . In India as well I mean

Then yea top 4 goat

Otherwise number 6 7 for me overall in all time rankings.

Even if he averages 30 for the next 19 games odd. He will still retire with an average of 22 anyway.


4 wickets per game roughly in decline times 19
So that’s 76 wickets
302 wickets
70 tests

That’s what I see him get to

70 tests max enough for goat anyway.

Plus he has 226 already.

 

[saimayubera]

Even in nz average is 31. Not bad at all

He played injured there.

We shall see this time.

He needs one good performance there
And one more at home vs Aus or nz . In India as well I mean

Then yea top 4 goat

Otherwise number 6 7 for me overall in all time rankings.

Even if he averages 30 for the next 19 games odd. He will still retire with an average of 22 anyway.


4 wickets per game roughly in decline times 19
So that’s 76 wickets
302 wickets
70 tests

That’s what I see him get to

70 tests max enough for goat anyway.

Plus he has 226 already.

231. He took a 5fer today.

 

[jeetu]

Marshall's average in NZ is similar to Bumrah. So he can be excused from one minor blip.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Marshall's average in NZ is similar to Bumrah. So he can be excused from one minor blip.

Call it a coincidence. WHen he toured NZ and played WTC final he had just returned from injury. It took him more than 6 months to hit his straps.

 

[kron]

Call it a coincidence. WHen he toured NZ and played WTC final he had just returned from injury. It took him more than 6 months to hit his straps.

Nz have just been incredibly lucky vs him. First time he went there bowlers injured. Carried a niggle in both games

In the final. Was still nursing and injury

Performance at home again vs nz was post second injury.

Want to see a fit bumrah vs nz.

Nz has one player who does well vs bumrah. It’s leftie Latham. Who somehow stays alive. Scrap and survive the initial spell.

It’s a myth that Kane does well vs bumrah. He usually gets wrecked in tests vs bumrah. Latham did well

And will young. He needs to study their movement patterns. He can get them easy. Many other teams destroy these 2.

 

[Ab Fan]

Even in nz average is 31. Not bad at all

He played injured there.

We shall see this time.

He needs one good performance there
And one more at home vs Aus or nz . In India as well I mean

Then yea top 4 goat

Otherwise number 6 7 for me overall in all time rankings.

Even if he averages 30 for the next 19 games odd. He will still retire with an average of 22 anyway.


4 wickets per game roughly in decline times 19
So that’s 76 wickets
302 wickets
70 tests

That’s what I see him get to

70 tests max enough for goat anyway.

Plus he has 226 already.

In NZ, he came back in rhythm in 2nd test. Failed in 1st test probably because he was coming from injury.

The only strange part was his struggle in WTC Final, where every bowler enjoyed bowling and batters struggled.

 

[kron]

In NZ, he came back in rhythm in 2nd test. Failed in 1st test probably because he was coming from injury.

The only strange part was his struggle in WTC Final, where every bowler enjoyed bowling and batters struggled.

He was still nursing an injury
It was confirmed

They forced him to play

Siraj was in red hot form

Should have played over bumrah vs nz.

One poor series at home vs nz though on crappy pitches. He needs one more good home performance vs either Aus or nz.

And one away in nz. If he does that then yea top 3 goat.
Otherwise top 6 7
Around Steyn level.

 

[kron]

In NZ, he came back in rhythm in 2nd test. Failed in 1st test probably because he was coming from injury.

The only strange part was his struggle in WTC Final, where every bowler enjoyed bowling and batters struggled.

But even if he does well in nz next time and has one more good home performance at home against say Aus or nz

I still can’t put him above marshal and McGrath

For me those 2 are absolute goats and simply untouchable.

 

[Ab Fan]

But even if he does well in nz next time and has one more good home performance at home against say Aus or nz

I still can’t put him above marshal and McGrath

For me those 2 are absolute goats and simply untouchable.

He is not yet there. But with a bit more matches and 300+ wickets@20, he can reach Ambrose, Hadlee level.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If Bumrah gets to 300 test wickets then he is definitely going to be a GOAT contender in tests. No two ways about it.

 

[Hitman]

But even if he does well in nz next time and has one more good home performance at home against say Aus or nz

I still can’t put him above marshal and McGrath

For me those 2 are absolute goats and simply untouchable.

You can add Ambrose as well in Tests.

 

[Ted123]

Dude Waqar, wasim avarage over 5o if I slice and dice things like you do.

Just admit that you are jealous and move on

If bitterness had a face…

 

[Ted123]

Too much hype for a guy who keeps going missing in crunch situations in Test cricket.

 

[TheSultan]

View attachment 159400

10-fers?

2-0

 

[Ted123]

10-fers?

2-0

Also, in the 2020 Aus series that India won, Bumrah played first 3 tests and the result was 1-1. But his fans like to project it as Bumrah won them the series even though he didn’t played the decider.

 

[TheSultan]

Also, in the 2020 Aus series that India won, Bumrah played first 3 tests and the result was 1-1. But his fans like to project it as Bumrah won them the series even though he didn’t played the decider.

Yep - Siraj led the attack and led them to victory. Doesn’t get enough credit

 

[JibranAnsari]

I say 40 more test, and around 180 more wickets. He is special.

 

[Devadwal]

I say 40 more test, and around 180 more wickets. He is special.

He'll have to play for another 5-6 years, which is impossible. I'd say he'll play around 20-22 more Test matches and take another 110 wickets.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think he definitely makes a strong case for top 10 fast bowlers of all time but top 5 and top 3 is a bit too early claim in my opinion. Need to do more for that and it is completely accepted even if it is in another format, like ODIs.

 

[Sachin fan]

If bitterness had a face…

The absolute irony of this comment, lmao. You guys are desperately putting down bumrah using pettiness and when I turn it back on you with a counter example, I am the bitter one?

Irony died a thousand deaths. Everyone and their dogs know who are the bitter ones here.

 

[Ted123]

The absolute irony of this comment, lmao. You guys are desperately putting down bumrah using pettiness and when I turn it back on you with a counter example, I am the bitter one?

Irony died a thousand deaths. Everyone and their dogs know who are the bitter ones here.

You don’t turn back with a counter example which only validates your bitterness as visible by your comments that are usually filled with emotions and anger.

Stop peddling Bumrah as some kind of GOAT and then maybe you can live with peace of no one putting him down.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think Bumrah is finished in Test.

He may have some random good performances but his peak seems to be over.

It is embarrassing how some people called him an "ATG". He is nowhere near an ATG.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You don’t turn back with a counter example which only validates your bitterness as visible by your comments that are usually filled with emotions and anger.

Stop peddling Bumrah as some kind of GOAT and then maybe you can live with peace of no one putting him down.

His stats and peer reputation do make him an ATG. Thats all there is to it.

Its obvious that you will put him down cos India seems to be gradually moving closer to Pakistan in terms of pace bowling and if Bumrah continues like this no one will hesistate to put him over all other Pakistani bowlers considering most of them were ball tamperers and fixing cheats.

 

[Ted123]

His stats and peer reputation do make him an ATG. Thats all there is to it.

Its obvious that you will put him down cos India seems to be gradually moving closer to Pakistan in terms of pace bowling and if Bumrah continues like this no one will hesistate to put him over all other Pakistani bowlers considering most of them were ball tamperers and fixing cheats.

At the moment, except Indian fans on this forum, no cricket expert would pick Bumrah over Wasim or Imran because he simply hasn’t showed the longevity or has the fitness to play 4-5 tests on trott.

In addition to it, he has gone missing in crunch situations in series deciders away from home multiple times like in South Africa or the final test in England 2022 and even this year he skipped those two crucial tests or against New Zealand home, away and in WTC Finals. So, without these performances, I can’t rate him above Wasim or Imran.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

At the moment, except Indian fans on this forum, no cricket expert would pick Bumrah over Wasim or Imran because he simply hasn’t showed the longevity or has the fitness to play 4-5 tests on trott.

In addition to it, he has gone missing in crunch situations in series deciders away from home multiple times like in South Africa or the final test in England 2022 and even this year he skipped those two crucial tests or against New Zealand home, away and in WTC Finals. So, without these performances, I can’t rate him above Wasim or Imran.

Actually he has more 5fers in victories in SENA and better performances than Wasim and Khan both with respect to average and impact.

So you are factually wrong, now I definitely can’t argue against delusion so if you wanna stick to that then there’s no need of a discussion.

Wasim and Khan are great and have won many series for Pakistan but it’s not like they haven’t had their share of match losing performances. Pakistan hasn’t won a single match in Aus in last 30 years, Wasim and Waqar couldn’t really help that. Waqar was pretty average against strong teams away from home.

 

[Ted123]

Actually he has more 5fers in victories in SENA and better performances than Wasim and Khan both with respect to average and impact.

So you are factually wrong, now I definitely can’t argue against delusion so if you wanna stick to that then there’s no need of a discussion.

Wasim and Khan are great and have won many series for Pakistan but it’s not like they haven’t had their share of match losing performances. Pakistan hasn’t won a single match in Aus in last 30 years, Wasim and Waqar couldn’t really help that. Waqar was pretty average against strong teams away from home.

More 5 fers in victories is down to the fact that this is result oriented era. Back then winning test matches wasn’t as regular and there were often drawn matches.

I am not factually wrong. I am talking about Bumrah missing as in he didn’t performed in those games. Wasim averaged 18 and 19 in his first two tours of Australia 1990 and 1995 and played his part in that win in 1995 test. Wasim was player of series in 1990 tour of Australia and he did his part in 1999 in India. Sure Waqar has gone missing a bit more even though he did really well vs Eng, SA, NZ, WI away but Wasim and Imran are top level test bowlers.

Imran has won player of series in Windies 1988 tour purely on his bowling ability and won player of series in Australia as well. Then there was that dominant series vs India where he picked 40 wickets was phenomenal. They all have 12+ years of career and despite not playing for Australia or England or India, went on to pick 350+ wickets at avg under 24.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Where was Bumrah when the team needed him in the recent test series??? Vanished at crunch moments

He is injury prone. He might not play that many