It's just a dance to expose a few things. The leftist/secular Hindu has been way too vocal in the media against BJP. The islamists have these people as their face for legitimacy. This exercise was an attempt to break that nexus. Similar to what Israel does. It's not a one off either. My guess is it will continue. Everybody knows that a leftist's image in the minds of Muslims lasts until the next blasphemy rumor.
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It's just a dance to expose a few things. The leftist/secular Hindu has been way too vocal in the media against BJP. The islamists have these people as their face for legitimacy. This exercise was an attempt to break that nexus. Similar to what Israel does. It's not a one off either. My guess is it will continue. Everybody knows that a leftist's image in the minds of Muslims lasts until the next blasphemy rumor.
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So if I understood it all correctly, there was a cricket tournament in Asia, in which England didn’t even participate. Yet after the match between two non English teams, there were riots in the streets of England?
Who would have imagined this happening 80 years ago.
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] how do you feel about this?
Who would have imagined this happening 80 years ago.
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] how do you feel about this?
Not everything can be filmed then shown as evidence. If the Hindu Indian's starting shouting "Death to Pakistan" then there flag was rightfully torn apart. This is the UK where the Hindu's are massively outnumbered not Gujarat where they can bully there Muslims. The RSS type Hindu's have bitten off more then they can chew here as Muslim's are now taking care of them in Birmingham too.
You ( or your relatives) need to stop peddling fake news.
Nobody desecrated an Indian flag.
As I said before if the Indian's starting shouting "Death to Pakistan" then there would naturally be a reaction from the Pak's. Indian people as a whole keep your Hindu-Muslim internal conflicts abroad within your own community. Pakistan and it's people have nothing to do with it.
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People are not coming out. They're scared."
Jay Patel was running a busy dinner service at his vegetarian restaurant, Shiv Sagar, on Leicester's famous Golden Mile, on Saturday night. The dining room was packed with about 80 customers - couples, families, even a local councillor - when suddenly, huge crowds of young men marched past.
It's estimated there were hundreds of men out that night. Most were masked and dressed head-to-toe in black - and some appeared to be armed. It was terrifying, Mr Patel tells me.
"People were running on this side, on that side, banging on the door… we closed all the lights and all the curtains," he says. "It was very scary."
Since then, customers have been calling Shiv Sagar to cancel their reservations - and when we go in, the dining room is almost completely empty. This is unusual, Mr Patel says - they've been open for four years and the restaurant would normally be busy at this time.
"People are cancelling their tables and saying, 'We don't want to come there because this is happening,'" he says. "People are usually coming in in groups of three and four - but now there are no people."
The weekend's unrest in Leicester was the culmination of several weeks of growing tension between parts of the Hindu and Muslim communities in the city. It reportedly began after a cricket match between India and Pakistan, at the end of August - and although India-Pakistan cricket matches are highly politically charged, one thing everyone I speak to in Leicester agrees on is none of this is about cricket. Whether the match inflamed existing tensions or served as an opportunity for outside instigators is now the subject of intense speculation.
A total of 47 people have been arrested, 20 at the weekend. Some have been sentenced for possession of weapons.
The fight has spilled online, too. Claims of attacks on people because of their religion have gone viral - though many are unverified and, in one case, confirmed by police not to have happened. On Wednesday, officers urged people not to share unverified claims on social media. Leicester Magistrates' Court heard one man sentenced for carrying a knife had been influenced by social media.
Footage shared by both Hindus and Muslims on social media, allegedly taken during the unrest in the past few weeks, shows groups from both sides - masked men banging on people's windows in Hindu-majority areas and pulling down religious decorations, and others marching down predominantly Muslim-populated streets, chanting: "Jai Shri Ram", a religious chant now commonly co-opted by far-right Hindu nationalist groups in India.
One video posted online shows a man climbing on to the roof of a Hindu temple, on Belgrave Road, and pulling down a religious flag. In another video, shared by the temple itself, on its Facebook page, a group of men set one of the temple's flags alight.
Those videos were allegedly filmed during the unrest on Saturday night - and even after a few days of calm, there's a fearful atmosphere in the area. When I visit the temple, the door is locked. A woman opens it for me but, once I introduce myself, I am told they're not speaking to the press and quickly ushered out. A charred flag hangs off the temple's fence.
Kishor Chauhan, who has owned Milans, a shop opposite the temple, for 45 years, says he's never seen anything like this in Leicester.
"It was really intimidating," he says. "This is the first time we've had something like these kind of racial riots."
Hindu festivals are usually a busy time for Mr Chauhan, and for other businesses on the Golden Mile - but he worries the unrest will stop people coming to the area. The nine-day festival of Navaratri begins next Monday and Diwali is on 24 October.
"I hope that the communities now begin to understand and stamp it down, because if this continues throughout the [festival] season, business will be disrupted," Mr Chauhan says. "But more than the business side, if people from outside Leicester get scared to come to Leicester, then Leicester will lose its charm that it's had. It has always attracted a lot of people from outside."
Conflict between parts of the Hindu and Muslim communities is common in India, where there are longstanding tensions.
Recent years have seen a particular increase in factional unrest and hate crimes against religious minorities and there have been fears among minority communities and human-rights groups the problem has worsened under the rule of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). In a report released last year, Human Rights Watch warned since the BJP came to power in 2014 it had "taken various legislative and other actions that have legitimised discrimination against religious minorities and enabled violent Hindu nationalism".
In February 2020, 53 people were killed in communal violence in Delhi, 40 of whom were Muslim, following weeks of peaceful protest against a new citizenship law demonstrators feared would target Muslims. And in February 2002, more than 1,000 people were killed during three days of anti-Muslim riots in the Indian state of Gujarat - one of the worst outbreaks of violence since independence.
This has raised questions about whether outside influences were involved in the violence. According to Leicestershire Police, a significant number of those arrested in the disorder were not from the city. On Monday, Temporary Chief Constable Rob Nixon said they had seen "a group of people from other cities come to our city to disrupt and cause harm". Some activists speculate Hindu nationalist groups from India are also involved.
Violence between Hindus and Muslims is extremely rare in the UK - especially in Leicester, which is known for its particularly strong sense of cohesion. There's long been solidarity between Hindus and Muslims in the UK, as two diasporic minority communities that, in Britain, face similar problems of racism and discrimination.
In a joint statement delivered on the steps of Leicester's Jame Masjid mosque, on Tuesday, community leaders from both faith groups stressed this point.
"Our two faiths have lived harmoniously in this wonderful city for over half a century," they said. "We arrived in this city together. We faced the same challenges together. We fought off racist haters together, and we collectively made this city a beacon of diversity and community cohesion."
They were "heartbroken", they said, adding: "Physical attacks on innocent individuals and unwarranted damage to property are not part of a decent society and, indeed, not part of our faiths. What we have seen is not what we're about."
Yasmin Surti, from the Federation of Muslim Organisations in Leicester (FMO), tells me part of the problem is the idea community leaders have significant influence is "ancient".
"We need to have dialogue and clearly we need to reflect on how we reach these young people who may not be in touch with the elders in mosques and temples," she says, adding there will be "a lot of learning" ahead.
Majid Freeman, a local fund-raiser for causes in the Middle East, said he is angry about what he regards as a lack of police action - "it was a riot waiting to happen."
He said there were many questions amongst the community about the police response to the protest on Saturday.
However, Temporary Chief Constable Rob Nixon Mr Nixon has said the police are "working to keep you safe and to arrest and bring to justice those that are causing harm in our communities".
Even at the height of the violence, though, there were glimpses of the unity Leicester is known for, according to Mr Patel. As crowds of masked men surrounded Shiv Sagar on Saturday night, a Muslim community leader came in to safely escort the largely Hindu clientele out of the restaurant to safety.
"One of the guys from the Muslim community - I don't know his name - but he came in and then, one by one took, each family and went with them to drop them off," Mr Patel says. "He said, 'If you want to go outside, then this is my priority.' And the customers went out with him one by one."
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Jay Patel was running a busy dinner service at his vegetarian restaurant, Shiv Sagar, on Leicester's famous Golden Mile, on Saturday night. The dining room was packed with about 80 customers - couples, families, even a local councillor - when suddenly, huge crowds of young men marched past.
It's estimated there were hundreds of men out that night. Most were masked and dressed head-to-toe in black - and some appeared to be armed. It was terrifying, Mr Patel tells me.
"People were running on this side, on that side, banging on the door… we closed all the lights and all the curtains," he says. "It was very scary."
Since then, customers have been calling Shiv Sagar to cancel their reservations - and when we go in, the dining room is almost completely empty. This is unusual, Mr Patel says - they've been open for four years and the restaurant would normally be busy at this time.
"People are cancelling their tables and saying, 'We don't want to come there because this is happening,'" he says. "People are usually coming in in groups of three and four - but now there are no people."
The weekend's unrest in Leicester was the culmination of several weeks of growing tension between parts of the Hindu and Muslim communities in the city. It reportedly began after a cricket match between India and Pakistan, at the end of August - and although India-Pakistan cricket matches are highly politically charged, one thing everyone I speak to in Leicester agrees on is none of this is about cricket. Whether the match inflamed existing tensions or served as an opportunity for outside instigators is now the subject of intense speculation.
A total of 47 people have been arrested, 20 at the weekend. Some have been sentenced for possession of weapons.
The fight has spilled online, too. Claims of attacks on people because of their religion have gone viral - though many are unverified and, in one case, confirmed by police not to have happened. On Wednesday, officers urged people not to share unverified claims on social media. Leicester Magistrates' Court heard one man sentenced for carrying a knife had been influenced by social media.
Footage shared by both Hindus and Muslims on social media, allegedly taken during the unrest in the past few weeks, shows groups from both sides - masked men banging on people's windows in Hindu-majority areas and pulling down religious decorations, and others marching down predominantly Muslim-populated streets, chanting: "Jai Shri Ram", a religious chant now commonly co-opted by far-right Hindu nationalist groups in India.
One video posted online shows a man climbing on to the roof of a Hindu temple, on Belgrave Road, and pulling down a religious flag. In another video, shared by the temple itself, on its Facebook page, a group of men set one of the temple's flags alight.
Those videos were allegedly filmed during the unrest on Saturday night - and even after a few days of calm, there's a fearful atmosphere in the area. When I visit the temple, the door is locked. A woman opens it for me but, once I introduce myself, I am told they're not speaking to the press and quickly ushered out. A charred flag hangs off the temple's fence.
Kishor Chauhan, who has owned Milans, a shop opposite the temple, for 45 years, says he's never seen anything like this in Leicester.
"It was really intimidating," he says. "This is the first time we've had something like these kind of racial riots."
Hindu festivals are usually a busy time for Mr Chauhan, and for other businesses on the Golden Mile - but he worries the unrest will stop people coming to the area. The nine-day festival of Navaratri begins next Monday and Diwali is on 24 October.
"I hope that the communities now begin to understand and stamp it down, because if this continues throughout the [festival] season, business will be disrupted," Mr Chauhan says. "But more than the business side, if people from outside Leicester get scared to come to Leicester, then Leicester will lose its charm that it's had. It has always attracted a lot of people from outside."
Conflict between parts of the Hindu and Muslim communities is common in India, where there are longstanding tensions.
Recent years have seen a particular increase in factional unrest and hate crimes against religious minorities and there have been fears among minority communities and human-rights groups the problem has worsened under the rule of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). In a report released last year, Human Rights Watch warned since the BJP came to power in 2014 it had "taken various legislative and other actions that have legitimised discrimination against religious minorities and enabled violent Hindu nationalism".
In February 2020, 53 people were killed in communal violence in Delhi, 40 of whom were Muslim, following weeks of peaceful protest against a new citizenship law demonstrators feared would target Muslims. And in February 2002, more than 1,000 people were killed during three days of anti-Muslim riots in the Indian state of Gujarat - one of the worst outbreaks of violence since independence.
This has raised questions about whether outside influences were involved in the violence. According to Leicestershire Police, a significant number of those arrested in the disorder were not from the city. On Monday, Temporary Chief Constable Rob Nixon said they had seen "a group of people from other cities come to our city to disrupt and cause harm". Some activists speculate Hindu nationalist groups from India are also involved.
Violence between Hindus and Muslims is extremely rare in the UK - especially in Leicester, which is known for its particularly strong sense of cohesion. There's long been solidarity between Hindus and Muslims in the UK, as two diasporic minority communities that, in Britain, face similar problems of racism and discrimination.
In a joint statement delivered on the steps of Leicester's Jame Masjid mosque, on Tuesday, community leaders from both faith groups stressed this point.
"Our two faiths have lived harmoniously in this wonderful city for over half a century," they said. "We arrived in this city together. We faced the same challenges together. We fought off racist haters together, and we collectively made this city a beacon of diversity and community cohesion."
They were "heartbroken", they said, adding: "Physical attacks on innocent individuals and unwarranted damage to property are not part of a decent society and, indeed, not part of our faiths. What we have seen is not what we're about."
Yasmin Surti, from the Federation of Muslim Organisations in Leicester (FMO), tells me part of the problem is the idea community leaders have significant influence is "ancient".
"We need to have dialogue and clearly we need to reflect on how we reach these young people who may not be in touch with the elders in mosques and temples," she says, adding there will be "a lot of learning" ahead.
Majid Freeman, a local fund-raiser for causes in the Middle East, said he is angry about what he regards as a lack of police action - "it was a riot waiting to happen."
He said there were many questions amongst the community about the police response to the protest on Saturday.
However, Temporary Chief Constable Rob Nixon Mr Nixon has said the police are "working to keep you safe and to arrest and bring to justice those that are causing harm in our communities".
Even at the height of the violence, though, there were glimpses of the unity Leicester is known for, according to Mr Patel. As crowds of masked men surrounded Shiv Sagar on Saturday night, a Muslim community leader came in to safely escort the largely Hindu clientele out of the restaurant to safety.
"One of the guys from the Muslim community - I don't know his name - but he came in and then, one by one took, each family and went with them to drop them off," Mr Patel says. "He said, 'If you want to go outside, then this is my priority.' And the customers went out with him one by one."
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The following eight men have been charged:
Paresh Pravin, 25, of Langford Way, Leicester, was arrested on 6 September on suspicion of drink driving. He was subsequently charged to appear at Leicester Magistrates’ Court.
Akshay Jiva, 27, of Rotherby Avenue, Leicester, was arrested on 7 September on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon. He was subsequently charged and has been released on bail to appear at Leicester Magistrates’ Court.
Aslan Ibrahim, 28, Canon Street, Leicester, was arrested on 7 September on suspicion of making threats to kill. He has been charged with this offence and released on bail to appear at Leicester Magistrates’ Court.
Rahul Manikane, 21, of Clevedon Crescent, Leicester, was arrested on 10 September on suspicion of drink driving. He was charged with his offence and has been released on police bail to appear at Leicester Magistrates’ Court on 28 September.
Sanket Dansukh, 26, of Mornington Street, Leicester, was arrested on 11 September on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon. He has been charged with this offence and released on police bail to attend Leicester Magistrates’ Court on 29 September.
Amos Noromh, 20, of Illingworth Road, Leicester, was arrested on 18 September on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon. He appeared at Leicester Magistrates’ Court on Monday 19 September and was sentenced to serve 10 months in prison.
Lukman Patel, 31, of Homeway Road, Leicester, was arrested on 19 September, on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon, a public order offence and a racially aggravated public order offence. He was charged with these offences and been remanded to appear at Leicester Crown Court.
Adam Yusuf, 21 of Bruin Street, Leicester, was arrested on 19 September on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon. He was charged with the same offence and has been remanded into custody to appear at Leicester Crown Court.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/police-name-men-charged-over-7622466
Paresh Pravin, 25, of Langford Way, Leicester, was arrested on 6 September on suspicion of drink driving. He was subsequently charged to appear at Leicester Magistrates’ Court.
Akshay Jiva, 27, of Rotherby Avenue, Leicester, was arrested on 7 September on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon. He was subsequently charged and has been released on bail to appear at Leicester Magistrates’ Court.
Aslan Ibrahim, 28, Canon Street, Leicester, was arrested on 7 September on suspicion of making threats to kill. He has been charged with this offence and released on bail to appear at Leicester Magistrates’ Court.
Rahul Manikane, 21, of Clevedon Crescent, Leicester, was arrested on 10 September on suspicion of drink driving. He was charged with his offence and has been released on police bail to appear at Leicester Magistrates’ Court on 28 September.
Sanket Dansukh, 26, of Mornington Street, Leicester, was arrested on 11 September on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon. He has been charged with this offence and released on police bail to attend Leicester Magistrates’ Court on 29 September.
Amos Noromh, 20, of Illingworth Road, Leicester, was arrested on 18 September on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon. He appeared at Leicester Magistrates’ Court on Monday 19 September and was sentenced to serve 10 months in prison.
Lukman Patel, 31, of Homeway Road, Leicester, was arrested on 19 September, on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon, a public order offence and a racially aggravated public order offence. He was charged with these offences and been remanded to appear at Leicester Crown Court.
Adam Yusuf, 21 of Bruin Street, Leicester, was arrested on 19 September on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon. He was charged with the same offence and has been remanded into custody to appear at Leicester Crown Court.
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For decades, Leicester had a reputation as a model for cohesion - but the recent unprecedented unrest between groups of Hindu and Muslim men has raised difficult questions for a place that prided itself on its multiculturalism.
In the 1951 census, just 624 people with South Asian heritage were recorded as living in Leicester. Now, 70 years on, the city has one of the highest proportions of British South Asians.
The journey of the early post-war arrivals from the Indian subcontinent to the East Midlands can be traced back to two moments that took place a few years before that census.
Firstly, there was the 1947 partition of British India into two independent dominions - India and Pakistan - which saw the eruption of deadly religious violence, and left between 10-12 million people displaced. And then, there was the 1948 British Nationality Act - which gave every Commonwealth citizen the right to move to the UK.
Many people, whose lives had been disrupted by partition, heeded calls from their former colonial ruler to help rebuild the UK and start new lives.
From the 1950s, Indians and Pakistanis came to Leicester through so-called chain migration - via previous family members or villagers who were already settled in the city. Leicester was attractive - it was prosperous and had jobs available at employers like Dunlop, Imperial Typewriters, and the large hosiery mills.
Many of the new arrivals lived, at first, in affordable private housing around Spinney Hill Park and Belgrave Road - in north and east Leicester - the site of some of the most recent unrest.
Most came from Punjab - a region stretching across modern-day northern Pakistan and north-western India. They were Sikh, Muslim and Hindus - who had seen the effects of partition and religious hatred - and worked together in Leicester, often through the city's Indian Workers Association, to campaign on issues of race and to fight for equality.
By the early 1960s, wives and children from the Indian subcontinent had joined their husbands. And then - in the middle of the decade - East African South Asians, predominantly Gujaratis, began to arrive. They had faced increasing restrictions as places previously under British rule or protection - such as Tanganyika and Zanzibar, which became Tanzania, and Kenya - gained independence.
Many settled in Belgrave, Rushey Mead and the Melton Road areas of Leicester.
When Ugandan Prime Minister, Idi Amin, expelled Asians in 1972, Leicester City Council anticipated more arrivals. It took out adverts in the Ugandan press discouraging refugees, with a right to settle in the UK, from making the city their destination. But still people came, with many of the East African Asian community starting their own successful businesses - including in retail, hosiery and manufacturing.
By 1971, there were 20,190 people of South Asian heritage in Leicester. In response to the surge in numbers arriving from former colonies, the far-right National Front grew in popularity locally.
Emeritus Professor of Sikh and Punjab Studies at SOAS University of London, Gurharpal Singh, has lived nearly all his life in Leicester - after arriving from Punjab in 1964. His father was a manager at the Walkers Crisps factory in the city.
He recalls regular overt racism growing up, whether at school or from his neighbours, and the terror of seeing the National Front marching in the streets.
The far-right group's high point came in the 1976 local election, where they came within 61 votes of victory in Abbey Ward, and gained 18% of the total vote across the city. Throughout the decade, the anti-racist fight back saw British Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus working together. But on the streets, at times, there were clashes between anti-racists and the National Front.
A change in the law in 1976 meant that local councils had become responsible for race relations - and by the 1980s, British South Asians were represented on the city council.
The local authority embraced the promotion of religious and cultural activities. During the decade, Leicester became a city of Asian festivals marking Diwali in the Belgrave area's "Golden Mile" with crowds of thousands - as well as Eid and Vaisakhi.
Leicester became "largely a model city", says Prof Tariq Modood, a founding director of the Centre for the Study of Ethnicity and Citizenship at the University of Bristol.
But there were times, when the politics of the Indian subcontinent spilt over into Leicester's streets.
Prof Singh recalls "random attacks" by Sikh militants in Leicester in 1984 after Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi's armed forces stormed the Sikh shrine, The Golden Temple, in Amritsar - leaving hundreds dead.
In 2002, Prof Singh watched on TV as events unfolded in Gujarat, in western India - after a fire on a train carrying Hindu pilgrims killed more than 50 people. Riots followed - and more than 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, were murdered in one of the worst cases of communal violence between Hindus and Muslims since Indian Independence in 1947.
"Those were the first riots [in India] covered in real time by the global media on 24 hour news," he tells me - recalling that in Leicester some took to the streets. "There certainly were widespread demonstrations in support of the victims, but no violence."
The politics of the Indian subcontinent has started to be felt in another way in Leicester since 2014, says Prof Singh, when the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) took power in India.
The rise of the BJP has fostered a brand of nationalism among the diaspora, he says. "The party is popular among Leicester's Gujarati Hindu community which manifests in the outlook and politics of the community."
Even more recently, Prof Singh says he has seen the demographics of the city changing again.
"South Asians have arrived from South Africa and Malawi, in particular, as well as India itself - where some have grown up with the hard-line politics of Hindu nationalism."
And then, he says, there are more local challenges for some in Leicester's South Asian communities - including the new arrivals. High deprivation and unemployment and social issues - with the city experiencing segregation of communities.
Some tensions in Leicester had been brewing for a while, he says - and while it is still unclear what sparked the recent unrest, which has seen dozens of arrests, "what is surprising is the magnitude of violence. In Leicester it has never got to the point of confrontation before."
Videos shared by both Hindus and Muslims on social media, allegedly taken during the recent unrest, suggest anger on both sides.
Footage featured masked men pulling down religious decorations and banging on people's windows in Hindu-majority areas. One video appeared to show a man climbing onto the roof of a Hindu temple and pulling down a religious flag, another showed a flag being set alight.
While in predominantly Muslim-populated streets, footage appears to show the slogan "Pakistan Murdabad" - meaning down with, or death to, Pakistan - being chanted after the Pakistan-India cricket match at the end of August. "Jai Shri Ram" - meaning glory or victory to Hindu's Lord Rama - has been heard more recently.
"[Jai Shri Ram] has a devotional meaning," says Prof Modood, "but has been appropriated and is a charged term used by anti-Muslim Hindu extremists."
Fake information and misinformation - deliberately intended to mislead - are also being spread and exploited on social media.
Social media ‘influenced’ Leicester protester
Instigated by small factions in different South Asian communities here and globally, the posts use incidents in Leicester in an inflammatory way to further fuel tensions. The unrest reportedly being further stoked by influence from outside the city.
Leicester has seen many waves of migration, but this new violence between small sections of British South Asian communities is alarming. Such scenes between Hindus and Muslims is extremely rare in the UK - especially in Leicester. Many locals, including families who have now lived in the city for several generations, are shocked and disturbed by what they are witnessing on their streets.
"It is very disappointing," says Prof Modood, "that one of the cities where multiculturalism had taken root has had these scarring events."
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In the 1951 census, just 624 people with South Asian heritage were recorded as living in Leicester. Now, 70 years on, the city has one of the highest proportions of British South Asians.
The journey of the early post-war arrivals from the Indian subcontinent to the East Midlands can be traced back to two moments that took place a few years before that census.
Firstly, there was the 1947 partition of British India into two independent dominions - India and Pakistan - which saw the eruption of deadly religious violence, and left between 10-12 million people displaced. And then, there was the 1948 British Nationality Act - which gave every Commonwealth citizen the right to move to the UK.
Many people, whose lives had been disrupted by partition, heeded calls from their former colonial ruler to help rebuild the UK and start new lives.
From the 1950s, Indians and Pakistanis came to Leicester through so-called chain migration - via previous family members or villagers who were already settled in the city. Leicester was attractive - it was prosperous and had jobs available at employers like Dunlop, Imperial Typewriters, and the large hosiery mills.
Many of the new arrivals lived, at first, in affordable private housing around Spinney Hill Park and Belgrave Road - in north and east Leicester - the site of some of the most recent unrest.
Most came from Punjab - a region stretching across modern-day northern Pakistan and north-western India. They were Sikh, Muslim and Hindus - who had seen the effects of partition and religious hatred - and worked together in Leicester, often through the city's Indian Workers Association, to campaign on issues of race and to fight for equality.
By the early 1960s, wives and children from the Indian subcontinent had joined their husbands. And then - in the middle of the decade - East African South Asians, predominantly Gujaratis, began to arrive. They had faced increasing restrictions as places previously under British rule or protection - such as Tanganyika and Zanzibar, which became Tanzania, and Kenya - gained independence.
Many settled in Belgrave, Rushey Mead and the Melton Road areas of Leicester.
When Ugandan Prime Minister, Idi Amin, expelled Asians in 1972, Leicester City Council anticipated more arrivals. It took out adverts in the Ugandan press discouraging refugees, with a right to settle in the UK, from making the city their destination. But still people came, with many of the East African Asian community starting their own successful businesses - including in retail, hosiery and manufacturing.
By 1971, there were 20,190 people of South Asian heritage in Leicester. In response to the surge in numbers arriving from former colonies, the far-right National Front grew in popularity locally.
Emeritus Professor of Sikh and Punjab Studies at SOAS University of London, Gurharpal Singh, has lived nearly all his life in Leicester - after arriving from Punjab in 1964. His father was a manager at the Walkers Crisps factory in the city.
He recalls regular overt racism growing up, whether at school or from his neighbours, and the terror of seeing the National Front marching in the streets.
The far-right group's high point came in the 1976 local election, where they came within 61 votes of victory in Abbey Ward, and gained 18% of the total vote across the city. Throughout the decade, the anti-racist fight back saw British Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus working together. But on the streets, at times, there were clashes between anti-racists and the National Front.
A change in the law in 1976 meant that local councils had become responsible for race relations - and by the 1980s, British South Asians were represented on the city council.
The local authority embraced the promotion of religious and cultural activities. During the decade, Leicester became a city of Asian festivals marking Diwali in the Belgrave area's "Golden Mile" with crowds of thousands - as well as Eid and Vaisakhi.
Leicester became "largely a model city", says Prof Tariq Modood, a founding director of the Centre for the Study of Ethnicity and Citizenship at the University of Bristol.
But there were times, when the politics of the Indian subcontinent spilt over into Leicester's streets.
Prof Singh recalls "random attacks" by Sikh militants in Leicester in 1984 after Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi's armed forces stormed the Sikh shrine, The Golden Temple, in Amritsar - leaving hundreds dead.
In 2002, Prof Singh watched on TV as events unfolded in Gujarat, in western India - after a fire on a train carrying Hindu pilgrims killed more than 50 people. Riots followed - and more than 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, were murdered in one of the worst cases of communal violence between Hindus and Muslims since Indian Independence in 1947.
"Those were the first riots [in India] covered in real time by the global media on 24 hour news," he tells me - recalling that in Leicester some took to the streets. "There certainly were widespread demonstrations in support of the victims, but no violence."
The politics of the Indian subcontinent has started to be felt in another way in Leicester since 2014, says Prof Singh, when the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) took power in India.
The rise of the BJP has fostered a brand of nationalism among the diaspora, he says. "The party is popular among Leicester's Gujarati Hindu community which manifests in the outlook and politics of the community."
Even more recently, Prof Singh says he has seen the demographics of the city changing again.
"South Asians have arrived from South Africa and Malawi, in particular, as well as India itself - where some have grown up with the hard-line politics of Hindu nationalism."
And then, he says, there are more local challenges for some in Leicester's South Asian communities - including the new arrivals. High deprivation and unemployment and social issues - with the city experiencing segregation of communities.
Some tensions in Leicester had been brewing for a while, he says - and while it is still unclear what sparked the recent unrest, which has seen dozens of arrests, "what is surprising is the magnitude of violence. In Leicester it has never got to the point of confrontation before."
Videos shared by both Hindus and Muslims on social media, allegedly taken during the recent unrest, suggest anger on both sides.
Footage featured masked men pulling down religious decorations and banging on people's windows in Hindu-majority areas. One video appeared to show a man climbing onto the roof of a Hindu temple and pulling down a religious flag, another showed a flag being set alight.
While in predominantly Muslim-populated streets, footage appears to show the slogan "Pakistan Murdabad" - meaning down with, or death to, Pakistan - being chanted after the Pakistan-India cricket match at the end of August. "Jai Shri Ram" - meaning glory or victory to Hindu's Lord Rama - has been heard more recently.
"[Jai Shri Ram] has a devotional meaning," says Prof Modood, "but has been appropriated and is a charged term used by anti-Muslim Hindu extremists."
Fake information and misinformation - deliberately intended to mislead - are also being spread and exploited on social media.
Social media ‘influenced’ Leicester protester
Instigated by small factions in different South Asian communities here and globally, the posts use incidents in Leicester in an inflammatory way to further fuel tensions. The unrest reportedly being further stoked by influence from outside the city.
Leicester has seen many waves of migration, but this new violence between small sections of British South Asian communities is alarming. Such scenes between Hindus and Muslims is extremely rare in the UK - especially in Leicester. Many locals, including families who have now lived in the city for several generations, are shocked and disturbed by what they are witnessing on their streets.
"It is very disappointing," says Prof Modood, "that one of the cities where multiculturalism had taken root has had these scarring events."
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The hindutva rise is simply down to the new wave of indian students who during and after their studies become menial workers they are a vicious militant lot looking nothing like the Hindus of old 1st 2nd generation in the UK who we grew up with.
The other side confronting the muslims are the 3rd 4th generation muslims who are not extremist muslims but basically have adopted black gangster roadman culture most of these clowns know nothing about Islam bur are just roadmen wannabes thinking they are hard.
That's why I'm against student visas and filling labour shortages in the UK with the riff raff from other countries basically they couldn't achieve anything back home so they come to the UK and then left bitter with their life when expectations aren't met which is worse now because to live in the UK is now a struggle with rising prices etc .
The other side confronting the muslims are the 3rd 4th generation muslims who are not extremist muslims but basically have adopted black gangster roadman culture most of these clowns know nothing about Islam bur are just roadmen wannabes thinking they are hard.
That's why I'm against student visas and filling labour shortages in the UK with the riff raff from other countries basically they couldn't achieve anything back home so they come to the UK and then left bitter with their life when expectations aren't met which is worse now because to live in the UK is now a struggle with rising prices etc .
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An Islamist preacher who was involved in anti-Jewish demonstrations in London has been accused of “stirring up hatred” in Leicester, where attacks on Hindu temples and shops led to dozens of arrests.
Mohammed Hijab was one of the leading figures during demonstrations in the capital that were condemned as anti-Semitic by Jewish groups.
It can now be revealed that Mr Hijab was last week also in Leicester, where anti-Hindu demonstrations turned violent and later spread to Smethwick, in the West Midlands.
Clashes broke out in the city on Saturday, September 17, when a group of young Hindu men marched through Green Lane Road - where there are several Muslim-owned businesses - shouting "Jai Shri Ram", a religious chant which has been co-opted by far-right Hindu nationalist groups in India.
Other videos shared online depicted Muslim men retaliating, including incidents of bottles being thrown and a man clothed all in back climbing a Hindu temple and removing its saffron flag as crowds cheered.
Rumours and inflammatory rhetoric spread on social media were blamed by several community leaders and senior police officers for helping to provoke and spread the violence.
Police confirmed that the clashes have been fuelled by young people travelling from other cities. Mr Hijab, a 30-year-old preacher and self-proclaimed scholar, was filmed in a busy shopping street in Leicester telling a group of Muslim men - several of whom were masked: “[Hindus] believe in reincarnation, what a humiliation and pathetic thing for them to be reincarnated into. Some pathetic, weak, cowardly people like that. I’d rather be an animal, I’d rather be reincarnated as a grasshopper bruv, that’s the truth.”
Referring to groups of right wing Hindu nationalists he adds: “So how come in Leicester, the Hindutva are coming out . . . trying to act like gangsters? Don’t ever, I’m saying this directly to all the so-called Hindutva wannabe gangsters, don’t ever come out like that again do you understand?”
Mr Hijab repeatedly asks the assembled crowd: "Are they going to come out like that again?”
'Muslim patrol in Leicester'
After the crowd shouts “never”, Mr Hijab adds: “Because if they do come out, are we going to be here yes or no?” and the crowd responds: “Yes” before chanting “Allahu Akbar”.
The film was posted to his YouTube channel, which has nearly 600,000 subscribers, on September 19. The previous day he had posted on Instagram a photograph of himself leading a group of masked men along a street, with the caption: “Muslim patrol in Leicester”.
A seperate video shows a small number of Muslim men trying to stop a megaphone wielding Mr Hijab from addressing the Leicester crowd, telling him: “You're going to incite them, you are only going to make things worse! Put the mike down. Show some restraint! You’ve said your piece.”
The violence in Leicester was followed by tense scenes in Smethwick on the evening of Tuesday, September 20, when around 200 young Muslim men tried to storm the Hindu Durga Bhawan temple and cultural centre and temple, setting off fireworks and hurling abuse at worshippers.
They were only stopped by police blocking the road and throwing a ring of officers around the building. An 18-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of possessing a knife.
Interfaith leaders from the Hindu, Sikh and Muslim communities in Leicester and Smethwick have been holding meetings and speaking to their respective congregations in an attempt to prevent a repeat of the violence.
Mazahar Mohammad, chair of trustees of Jaia Masjid, Smethwick’s largest mosque, told The Telegraph: “We don’t need people like Mr Hijab coming to areas like Leicester and Smethwick from London and other places and stirring up hatred. We are a multi-faith community and we have to be careful about people creating tension and hatred where there wasn’t any before.”
Ashvani Kumar, a trustee of the Durga Bhawan Centre, added: “We don’t want people on either side creating problems between the communities. We ask these people to stay away from here and allow us to live side by side in peace.”
It has now emerged that Mr Hijab was one of the leading figures in a demonstration through the traditionally Jewish neighbourhood of Golders Green, in north west London, in May 2021.
While there, he targeted Jewish passers-by, asking them for their views on Israel and giving speeches about “the killing of children” while standing in front of a billboard with the words: “Did we not learn from the Holocaust?”
Allegations of anti-Semitism by Mr Hijab were reported to the Metropolitan Police by the Community Security Trust, a charity dedicated to safeguarding British Jews, and a local synagogue and were later raised by the CST with senior Met commanders.
The following day Mr Hijab was involved in a large demonstration by Palestinian rights protestors outside the Israeli embassy in Kensington, which confronted dozens of pro-Israeli supporters being addressed by the country’s ambassador.
During the protest Mr Hijab was filmed telling police he would kill any dogs belonging to Israeli supporters that came near his group.
“If those come close to us again we will see it as an act of aggression and we will kill those dogs. We will put them down,” he told one officer.
Referring to the “terrorist apartheid state of Israel” he told the crowd: “We don't care about death. We love death.”
The protestors then marched to Speakers Corner, with some reportedly chanting: “We will find some Jews. We want their blood.”
Mr Hijab can later be seen telling the youths to disperse, adding: “Do not provoke violence ... If you’re going to get excited, go to the gym.”
In May 2018, Mr Hijab - whose real name is Mohammed Nabil Hegab - had his contract as a trainee teacher at the Harris Academy in East London terminated on performance grounds. The termination coincided with him being suspended after he attended a freedom of speech rally in Whitehall, where he was filmed on social media saying he would “fight” and “die”.
Dispute with father
Mr Hijab, who lives in St John’s Wood, north London, and is married with children, has fallen out with his father over his extremist politics.
A close relative said: “He has caused a lot of trouble for his father. He is not his father’s cup of tea. He is very vocal and extreme and is bolstered by lots of supporters.”
Mr Hijab has been contacted for comment. He has previously claimed to have condemned violence and to “have good relationships with leaders of the orthodox Jewish community”, adding “we have been unequivocal about our stance against anti-Semitism”.
Mr Hijab denies inciting or condoning violence against Hindus. Defending his speeches in Leicester, he said on Twitter: " The video and its contents was not intended for Hindus but for Hindutva Thugs. There is no part of the video in which I address Hindus as a whole."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=5e53ba5e948e44c998256d635482b4a9
Mohammed Hijab was one of the leading figures during demonstrations in the capital that were condemned as anti-Semitic by Jewish groups.
It can now be revealed that Mr Hijab was last week also in Leicester, where anti-Hindu demonstrations turned violent and later spread to Smethwick, in the West Midlands.
Clashes broke out in the city on Saturday, September 17, when a group of young Hindu men marched through Green Lane Road - where there are several Muslim-owned businesses - shouting "Jai Shri Ram", a religious chant which has been co-opted by far-right Hindu nationalist groups in India.
Other videos shared online depicted Muslim men retaliating, including incidents of bottles being thrown and a man clothed all in back climbing a Hindu temple and removing its saffron flag as crowds cheered.
Rumours and inflammatory rhetoric spread on social media were blamed by several community leaders and senior police officers for helping to provoke and spread the violence.
Police confirmed that the clashes have been fuelled by young people travelling from other cities. Mr Hijab, a 30-year-old preacher and self-proclaimed scholar, was filmed in a busy shopping street in Leicester telling a group of Muslim men - several of whom were masked: “[Hindus] believe in reincarnation, what a humiliation and pathetic thing for them to be reincarnated into. Some pathetic, weak, cowardly people like that. I’d rather be an animal, I’d rather be reincarnated as a grasshopper bruv, that’s the truth.”
Referring to groups of right wing Hindu nationalists he adds: “So how come in Leicester, the Hindutva are coming out . . . trying to act like gangsters? Don’t ever, I’m saying this directly to all the so-called Hindutva wannabe gangsters, don’t ever come out like that again do you understand?”
Mr Hijab repeatedly asks the assembled crowd: "Are they going to come out like that again?”
'Muslim patrol in Leicester'
After the crowd shouts “never”, Mr Hijab adds: “Because if they do come out, are we going to be here yes or no?” and the crowd responds: “Yes” before chanting “Allahu Akbar”.
The film was posted to his YouTube channel, which has nearly 600,000 subscribers, on September 19. The previous day he had posted on Instagram a photograph of himself leading a group of masked men along a street, with the caption: “Muslim patrol in Leicester”.
A seperate video shows a small number of Muslim men trying to stop a megaphone wielding Mr Hijab from addressing the Leicester crowd, telling him: “You're going to incite them, you are only going to make things worse! Put the mike down. Show some restraint! You’ve said your piece.”
The violence in Leicester was followed by tense scenes in Smethwick on the evening of Tuesday, September 20, when around 200 young Muslim men tried to storm the Hindu Durga Bhawan temple and cultural centre and temple, setting off fireworks and hurling abuse at worshippers.
They were only stopped by police blocking the road and throwing a ring of officers around the building. An 18-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of possessing a knife.
Interfaith leaders from the Hindu, Sikh and Muslim communities in Leicester and Smethwick have been holding meetings and speaking to their respective congregations in an attempt to prevent a repeat of the violence.
Mazahar Mohammad, chair of trustees of Jaia Masjid, Smethwick’s largest mosque, told The Telegraph: “We don’t need people like Mr Hijab coming to areas like Leicester and Smethwick from London and other places and stirring up hatred. We are a multi-faith community and we have to be careful about people creating tension and hatred where there wasn’t any before.”
Ashvani Kumar, a trustee of the Durga Bhawan Centre, added: “We don’t want people on either side creating problems between the communities. We ask these people to stay away from here and allow us to live side by side in peace.”
It has now emerged that Mr Hijab was one of the leading figures in a demonstration through the traditionally Jewish neighbourhood of Golders Green, in north west London, in May 2021.
While there, he targeted Jewish passers-by, asking them for their views on Israel and giving speeches about “the killing of children” while standing in front of a billboard with the words: “Did we not learn from the Holocaust?”
Allegations of anti-Semitism by Mr Hijab were reported to the Metropolitan Police by the Community Security Trust, a charity dedicated to safeguarding British Jews, and a local synagogue and were later raised by the CST with senior Met commanders.
The following day Mr Hijab was involved in a large demonstration by Palestinian rights protestors outside the Israeli embassy in Kensington, which confronted dozens of pro-Israeli supporters being addressed by the country’s ambassador.
During the protest Mr Hijab was filmed telling police he would kill any dogs belonging to Israeli supporters that came near his group.
“If those come close to us again we will see it as an act of aggression and we will kill those dogs. We will put them down,” he told one officer.
Referring to the “terrorist apartheid state of Israel” he told the crowd: “We don't care about death. We love death.”
The protestors then marched to Speakers Corner, with some reportedly chanting: “We will find some Jews. We want their blood.”
Mr Hijab can later be seen telling the youths to disperse, adding: “Do not provoke violence ... If you’re going to get excited, go to the gym.”
In May 2018, Mr Hijab - whose real name is Mohammed Nabil Hegab - had his contract as a trainee teacher at the Harris Academy in East London terminated on performance grounds. The termination coincided with him being suspended after he attended a freedom of speech rally in Whitehall, where he was filmed on social media saying he would “fight” and “die”.
Dispute with father
Mr Hijab, who lives in St John’s Wood, north London, and is married with children, has fallen out with his father over his extremist politics.
A close relative said: “He has caused a lot of trouble for his father. He is not his father’s cup of tea. He is very vocal and extreme and is bolstered by lots of supporters.”
Mr Hijab has been contacted for comment. He has previously claimed to have condemned violence and to “have good relationships with leaders of the orthodox Jewish community”, adding “we have been unequivocal about our stance against anti-Semitism”.
Mr Hijab denies inciting or condoning violence against Hindus. Defending his speeches in Leicester, he said on Twitter: " The video and its contents was not intended for Hindus but for Hindutva Thugs. There is no part of the video in which I address Hindus as a whole."
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Uncle Hijab is a joke of a man. Can't believe he has a following in UK
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When he tones down the antics he is sometimes quite enjoyable to listen to.
But he knows that what gets clicks on youtube is confrontation, clickbait headlines and aggression. Ultimately its all about the ££££ generated by clicks.
So that's what he does. His "protest" outside the chinese embassy was cringe and his actions in GG were deliberately provocative.
Perhaps its my age but I find all these speakers corners religious debates to just be absurd, they give me a headache.
I make a concious effort to ensure that my younger cousins etc don't get sucked in by charlatans like hijab and ali dawah man types and instead learn their religion properly.
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[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] - would love to have your kind opinion on this pls. Bcoz according to you, it's the Hindus with RSS/Radical mindset were guilty in Leicester. But the MP is clearing stating otherwise. Is he lying?
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A lot of the businesses in Leiciester's golden mile have suffered a sharp drop in business following the hindutva attacks, and subsequent counter attacks from Muslim gangs. While that's deplorable and not good for the city, at least it will mean that the ordinary, and mostly long standing British Hindus will now be working hard to ensure these hindutva interlopers don't try pulling such a stunt again. No one will be amused when their livelihoods are put at risk by these idiots.
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Watched a video of a Western journalist analysing Hindutva tactics in India.
Where they march through a Muslim neighbourhood
Chat racist and inflammatory slogans
Intimidate and harass Muslims
Then when they have made the situation a power leg and when the Muslims start congregating they call the police who do nothing and then have the Muslims arrested
This is perfected in India down to the tee. You go on Hindutva Watch website you have videos from India full of this stuff.
They have also realised that Muslims have generally been dehumanized in the West from the press to the average government policy so it has been the ideal time to export RSS ideology. Their idea has been to provoke and provoke and when they get a reaction then to suddenly claim victimhood when it was the complete opposite.
Hence they thought they would apply it in UK.
Starting off by assaulting a Muslim. Then by marching in Muslim neighbourhoods chanting Jai Shri Raam. Police who stood by and did nothing and when the Muslims responds these filth RSS are claiming to be victims.
I am sick of the double standards against Muslims. The BBC and the press have made this out to be mutual 'clashes' when it has been anything but
Imagine if Muslims were marching in London through neighbourhoods chanting Pro ISIS slogans. They'd be ripped apart by the press. But under the bigoted Tories that could never happen
That's why anyone who supports a Tory on here is either a troll or wearing another mask. Not at all talking about people like Technics.
Where they march through a Muslim neighbourhood
Chat racist and inflammatory slogans
Intimidate and harass Muslims
Then when they have made the situation a power leg and when the Muslims start congregating they call the police who do nothing and then have the Muslims arrested
This is perfected in India down to the tee. You go on Hindutva Watch website you have videos from India full of this stuff.
They have also realised that Muslims have generally been dehumanized in the West from the press to the average government policy so it has been the ideal time to export RSS ideology. Their idea has been to provoke and provoke and when they get a reaction then to suddenly claim victimhood when it was the complete opposite.
Hence they thought they would apply it in UK.
Starting off by assaulting a Muslim. Then by marching in Muslim neighbourhoods chanting Jai Shri Raam. Police who stood by and did nothing and when the Muslims responds these filth RSS are claiming to be victims.
I am sick of the double standards against Muslims. The BBC and the press have made this out to be mutual 'clashes' when it has been anything but
Imagine if Muslims were marching in London through neighbourhoods chanting Pro ISIS slogans. They'd be ripped apart by the press. But under the bigoted Tories that could never happen
That's why anyone who supports a Tory on here is either a troll or wearing another mask. Not at all talking about people like Technics.
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[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] what channel was this video on?
LOL, imagine equating someone saying Jai Shree Ram (God is great) with pro ISIS slogans and then calling others as 'Troll'
Not sure where do you live but there is nothing called as 'Muslim neighbourhood' in UK. There are places where minority population is more but nothing is exclusive for muslims where hindus cant chant their god's name.
There are vidoes (posted above) where Pakistani guy mocking hindus for being vegetarian or having 2inch biceps. This is the same mentality/attitude of considering others as weak inferior gene which was the reason of Bangladesh creation. And then have the gall of calling others as racists.
As far as west is concerned, had hindus committed 1% of terrorism that Islamic hardliners commited there, they would be doing same thing to hindus as well. Cant really blame the west for being paranoid.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-63009009
blatantly lying, like the news keeps coming in - made up rubbish by the indians yet again
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https://news.sky.com/video/explainer-whats-happening-in-leicester-12703382
how rubert mudoch owned sky news reporting the incident
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6/8 are indians - thought it was the pakistanis attacking the indians - yet the arrests are one sided, just pointing out the facts.
Every media is now stating that the misinformation was started by the indians and by bjp linked people - made up incidents, made up kidnapping events, protest was made up by false information - by the indians.
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It was on TikTok I'll try and dig it out
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No, they're both standard Arabic/Muslim names that people of any ethnicity could have. But given it's Leicester he probably is.
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Yes of course they are muslim names.
But I've found names like Isa, Adam and Musa to be more common among Gujrati Muslims than Pak Punjabis for example.
Adam became more popular in recent times with some overseas Pakistanis because it can sound white.
But traditionally its not common. More common with Gujjus.
Could be wrong of course but given their abundance in Leicester I would be happy to stick a few quid on a bet he's gujrati.
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Recent violent disorder in Leicester caused shock and outrage and prompted dozens of arrests, but how much was it fuelled by misinformation posted online?
We've spent the past week trying to unpick some of the false claims in and about Leicester and tried to see how much they spread both in the run-up to the disorder and the aftermath.
Temporary chief constable Rob Nixon told BBC Two's Newsnight there had been a deliberate attempt by people to use social media in a destructive way.
Mayor Sir Peter Soulsby also blamed online disinformation and said otherwise there was "no obvious local cause for this at all". At least one of those sentenced over the disorder has admitted being influenced by social media.
When we spoke to people in Leicester, either community leaders, or those who otherwise had experience of the disorder, they singled out particular pieces of misinformation that had fuelled tension in the run-up to the worst of the disorder on the weekend of 17-18 September.
One false story was referenced several times.
"Today my 15-year-old daughter… was nearly kidnapped," read a post uploaded on to Facebook, supposedly by a concerned father. "3 Indian boys got out and asked her if she was Muslim. She said yes and one guy tried to grab her."
The post was liked hundreds of times, not on Facebook but on Twitter after Majid Freeman, a community activist, shared the family's story on 13 September. He also shared a message from the police which he said was "confirming the incident which took place yesterday [12 September]".
But there had been no kidnap attempt.
A day later, Leicestershire Police issued a statement after investigating and stated that "the incident did not take place". Majid Freeman deleted his posts and said the attempted abduction had not happened and that his initial version had been based on conversation with the family making the allegation.
But damage had already been done and this false kidnap claim kept being regurgitated on other platforms.
On WhatsApp, messages forwarded many times over were initially taken by some as the truth. On Instagram, profiles - some with hundreds of thousands of followers - shared screenshots of the original post and allegedly accused a Hindu man of being behind the "failed abduction".
But it's not possible to gauge the scale of spread in private networks. And as far as public posts go we have used the CrowdTangle tool and been unable to find any repeating the attempted kidnapping claims. Posts could have been deleted of course, and the claims may still be circulating in private groups.
Many in Leicester have said the roots of the tension go back much further. A swathe of media reports have focused on an incident in Leicester following a dramatic victory for India over Pakistan in cricket's Asia Cup in Dubai on 28 August.
As with so much misinformation what happened next was a matter of distortion rather than complete fabrication.
Something did happen. Video from that night shows a group of men, with several wearing India kits, marching down Melton Road in Leicester shouting "death to Pakistan" before scuffles broke out and the police arrived.
Many on social media seized on another video supposedly showing a Muslim man being attacked after walking into the crowd. But it has subsequently been widely suggested that the man was a Sikh.
There are some in Leicester who trace the disorder back much further, at least to an incident on Sunday 22 May. Video has been circulated on social media purportedly showing a 19-year-old Muslim man being pursued by a group of men described in social media posts as "Hindu extremists". Other posts referred to Hindutva, an ideology mostly associated with right-wing Hindu nationalists in India.
The video itself does not show much - it is grainy and black-and-white and shows a group of men running down a street before an altercation happens. It's hard to decipher who these men were and what their specific backgrounds are.
Police have said they are investigating a report of a public order offence and have interviewed a 28-year-old man, but that the investigation is ongoing. The religious affiliation of the victim has not been revealed.
While the truth of the incident is still being investigated, the social media posts have consistently been explicit in describing it as religiously motivated.
Picking apart how much the social media distortion and misinformation has actually driven disorder is extremely difficult.
These three incidents are not the only episodes to have prompted flurries of social media activity but they remain the most cited in the run-up to the major disorder on 17 and 18 September.
Those events in Leicester, with tensions and disorder suddenly prominent in national media, prompted a massive increase in social media posts.
An investigation by BBC Monitoring - using commercial Twitter analysis tool Brandwatch - identified about half a million tweets in English that mention Leicester in the context of recent tensions.
Within a sample of 200,000 tweets, BBC Monitoring found that just over half of mentions were made by accounts that the tool geo-located to India. The top hashtags used by many of the Indian accounts in the past week included #Leicester, #HindusUnderAttack and #HindusUnderattackinUK.
The BBC found lots of indications of manipulation by accounts using these hashtags.
The most prolific user of some of these hashtags, for example, was geo-located to India, had no profile picture and the account was only started earlier this month. These are classic signs that can suggest "inauthentic activity" ie a likelihood that individuals are deliberately using multiple accounts to push a narrative.
The BBC examined the top 30 URLs that were shared using these hashtags. Of them, 11 were links to articles written by news website OpIndia.com, which describes itself as "bringing the right side of India to you". As well as potentially inauthentic accounts, these articles were also widely shared by genuine accounts including some with hundreds of thousands of followers.
One of the OpIndia articles cited British researcher Charlotte Littlewood, from the Henry Jackson Society, who told GB News that several Hindu families had left Leicester due to threats of violence from Muslims. The article was retweeted nearly 2,500 times. Leicester Police have since said that they were unaware of any reports of families having to leave.
It's important to stress that there was no significant volume of tweets before the outbreak of the major disorder on 17-18 September.
Among the wave of social media activity in the UK prompted by the disorder, claims circulated widely that coach-loads of Hindu activists were being bussed into Leicester to stir up trouble.
All we have to go on is the identities of the people arrested by police. As of 23 September they had arrested 47 people, of whom eight had been charged. Of those arrested, 36 were from Leicester, one from Market Harborough, eight from Birmingham and just two from London. All of the eight who were charged were from Leicester.
Some posts made allegations that a specific London coach company had been used to bus in Hindu activists.
A video that circulated on WhatsApp and Twitter from 18 September showed a coach outside a Hindu temple in London, with a voice claiming the coach had just returned from Leicester. In a video posted the next day on Instagram the owner of the coach company said: "lots of people are calling me, threatening me, abusing me without any reason."
He said that none of his coaches had travelled to Leicester in the past two months and provided evidence from the GPS tracker of the bus in the video showing it had remained in south-east England on the weekend of 17-18 September.
False claims also circulated about the causes of a fire in Birmingham on Monday 19 September. Posts viewed thousands of times on Twitter blamed "Islamic extremists" for setting the fire, without evidence.
West Midlands Fire Service investigated the fire and concluded it started by accident when outdoor burning of rubbish spread to the building.
Of course this is by no means to say that all of the posts that followed in the immediate aftermath of the disorder were misleading or distorted.
One of the most circulated videos showed a group of masked Hindu men marching through Green Lane Road, an area of Leicester with a large Muslim population, shouting the Hindu slogan "Jai Shri Ram".
Another video was circulated with posters saying it showed a Muslim man pulling down a Hindu saffron flag outside a temple. A flag was indeed pulled down at a temple on Belgrave Road in the city on the night of Saturday 17 September and police were investigating. However, the identity of the culprit is unclear.The false claims and inflammatory posts that have exacerbated tensions between Hindus and Muslims have been condemned by many locals from these communities.
For decades, the city has been home to South Asians who came to the UK from parts of India and East Africa, and they have lived side-by-side and fought for equal rights together.
Some people link the disorder and the reaction to it to the Hindutva ideology. They believe that Indian politics is being imported to the city, but thus far the BBC has found no direct link to such groups in the run-up to the disorder.
Another narrative being pushed is that a particular, small South Asian community, allegedly with conservative views, started these tensions. Both Hindus and Muslims we've spoken to have expressed this. Again, there is no concrete evidence to support, nor counter this claim.
It is difficult to pinpoint what has caused this violent unrest, but one thing is clear, social media stands accused of being the catalyst for sowing further divisions.
Additional reporting by Yasminara Khan, Ahmed Nour, Khush Sameja, Shruti Menon, Ned Davies, Joshua Cheetham and Daniele Palumbo.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-63009009
We've spent the past week trying to unpick some of the false claims in and about Leicester and tried to see how much they spread both in the run-up to the disorder and the aftermath.
Temporary chief constable Rob Nixon told BBC Two's Newsnight there had been a deliberate attempt by people to use social media in a destructive way.
Mayor Sir Peter Soulsby also blamed online disinformation and said otherwise there was "no obvious local cause for this at all". At least one of those sentenced over the disorder has admitted being influenced by social media.
When we spoke to people in Leicester, either community leaders, or those who otherwise had experience of the disorder, they singled out particular pieces of misinformation that had fuelled tension in the run-up to the worst of the disorder on the weekend of 17-18 September.
One false story was referenced several times.
"Today my 15-year-old daughter… was nearly kidnapped," read a post uploaded on to Facebook, supposedly by a concerned father. "3 Indian boys got out and asked her if she was Muslim. She said yes and one guy tried to grab her."
The post was liked hundreds of times, not on Facebook but on Twitter after Majid Freeman, a community activist, shared the family's story on 13 September. He also shared a message from the police which he said was "confirming the incident which took place yesterday [12 September]".
But there had been no kidnap attempt.
A day later, Leicestershire Police issued a statement after investigating and stated that "the incident did not take place". Majid Freeman deleted his posts and said the attempted abduction had not happened and that his initial version had been based on conversation with the family making the allegation.
But damage had already been done and this false kidnap claim kept being regurgitated on other platforms.
On WhatsApp, messages forwarded many times over were initially taken by some as the truth. On Instagram, profiles - some with hundreds of thousands of followers - shared screenshots of the original post and allegedly accused a Hindu man of being behind the "failed abduction".
But it's not possible to gauge the scale of spread in private networks. And as far as public posts go we have used the CrowdTangle tool and been unable to find any repeating the attempted kidnapping claims. Posts could have been deleted of course, and the claims may still be circulating in private groups.
Many in Leicester have said the roots of the tension go back much further. A swathe of media reports have focused on an incident in Leicester following a dramatic victory for India over Pakistan in cricket's Asia Cup in Dubai on 28 August.
As with so much misinformation what happened next was a matter of distortion rather than complete fabrication.
Something did happen. Video from that night shows a group of men, with several wearing India kits, marching down Melton Road in Leicester shouting "death to Pakistan" before scuffles broke out and the police arrived.
Many on social media seized on another video supposedly showing a Muslim man being attacked after walking into the crowd. But it has subsequently been widely suggested that the man was a Sikh.
There are some in Leicester who trace the disorder back much further, at least to an incident on Sunday 22 May. Video has been circulated on social media purportedly showing a 19-year-old Muslim man being pursued by a group of men described in social media posts as "Hindu extremists". Other posts referred to Hindutva, an ideology mostly associated with right-wing Hindu nationalists in India.
The video itself does not show much - it is grainy and black-and-white and shows a group of men running down a street before an altercation happens. It's hard to decipher who these men were and what their specific backgrounds are.
Police have said they are investigating a report of a public order offence and have interviewed a 28-year-old man, but that the investigation is ongoing. The religious affiliation of the victim has not been revealed.
While the truth of the incident is still being investigated, the social media posts have consistently been explicit in describing it as religiously motivated.
Picking apart how much the social media distortion and misinformation has actually driven disorder is extremely difficult.
These three incidents are not the only episodes to have prompted flurries of social media activity but they remain the most cited in the run-up to the major disorder on 17 and 18 September.
Those events in Leicester, with tensions and disorder suddenly prominent in national media, prompted a massive increase in social media posts.
An investigation by BBC Monitoring - using commercial Twitter analysis tool Brandwatch - identified about half a million tweets in English that mention Leicester in the context of recent tensions.
Within a sample of 200,000 tweets, BBC Monitoring found that just over half of mentions were made by accounts that the tool geo-located to India. The top hashtags used by many of the Indian accounts in the past week included #Leicester, #HindusUnderAttack and #HindusUnderattackinUK.
The BBC found lots of indications of manipulation by accounts using these hashtags.
The most prolific user of some of these hashtags, for example, was geo-located to India, had no profile picture and the account was only started earlier this month. These are classic signs that can suggest "inauthentic activity" ie a likelihood that individuals are deliberately using multiple accounts to push a narrative.
The BBC examined the top 30 URLs that were shared using these hashtags. Of them, 11 were links to articles written by news website OpIndia.com, which describes itself as "bringing the right side of India to you". As well as potentially inauthentic accounts, these articles were also widely shared by genuine accounts including some with hundreds of thousands of followers.
One of the OpIndia articles cited British researcher Charlotte Littlewood, from the Henry Jackson Society, who told GB News that several Hindu families had left Leicester due to threats of violence from Muslims. The article was retweeted nearly 2,500 times. Leicester Police have since said that they were unaware of any reports of families having to leave.
It's important to stress that there was no significant volume of tweets before the outbreak of the major disorder on 17-18 September.
Among the wave of social media activity in the UK prompted by the disorder, claims circulated widely that coach-loads of Hindu activists were being bussed into Leicester to stir up trouble.
All we have to go on is the identities of the people arrested by police. As of 23 September they had arrested 47 people, of whom eight had been charged. Of those arrested, 36 were from Leicester, one from Market Harborough, eight from Birmingham and just two from London. All of the eight who were charged were from Leicester.
Some posts made allegations that a specific London coach company had been used to bus in Hindu activists.
A video that circulated on WhatsApp and Twitter from 18 September showed a coach outside a Hindu temple in London, with a voice claiming the coach had just returned from Leicester. In a video posted the next day on Instagram the owner of the coach company said: "lots of people are calling me, threatening me, abusing me without any reason."
He said that none of his coaches had travelled to Leicester in the past two months and provided evidence from the GPS tracker of the bus in the video showing it had remained in south-east England on the weekend of 17-18 September.
False claims also circulated about the causes of a fire in Birmingham on Monday 19 September. Posts viewed thousands of times on Twitter blamed "Islamic extremists" for setting the fire, without evidence.
West Midlands Fire Service investigated the fire and concluded it started by accident when outdoor burning of rubbish spread to the building.
Of course this is by no means to say that all of the posts that followed in the immediate aftermath of the disorder were misleading or distorted.
One of the most circulated videos showed a group of masked Hindu men marching through Green Lane Road, an area of Leicester with a large Muslim population, shouting the Hindu slogan "Jai Shri Ram".
Another video was circulated with posters saying it showed a Muslim man pulling down a Hindu saffron flag outside a temple. A flag was indeed pulled down at a temple on Belgrave Road in the city on the night of Saturday 17 September and police were investigating. However, the identity of the culprit is unclear.The false claims and inflammatory posts that have exacerbated tensions between Hindus and Muslims have been condemned by many locals from these communities.
For decades, the city has been home to South Asians who came to the UK from parts of India and East Africa, and they have lived side-by-side and fought for equal rights together.
Some people link the disorder and the reaction to it to the Hindutva ideology. They believe that Indian politics is being imported to the city, but thus far the BBC has found no direct link to such groups in the run-up to the disorder.
Another narrative being pushed is that a particular, small South Asian community, allegedly with conservative views, started these tensions. Both Hindus and Muslims we've spoken to have expressed this. Again, there is no concrete evidence to support, nor counter this claim.
It is difficult to pinpoint what has caused this violent unrest, but one thing is clear, social media stands accused of being the catalyst for sowing further divisions.
Additional reporting by Yasminara Khan, Ahmed Nour, Khush Sameja, Shruti Menon, Ned Davies, Joshua Cheetham and Daniele Palumbo.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-63009009
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i agree with TSA321 - muslim name,
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like i said about and linked in bbc - the fake kidnapping - already deemed as fake indian news
2nd bolded - highlighted for the cry baby indians who wont reply.
3rd bold part - nothing new, indians and organised hate crimes against muslims,
4th bolded part - same old - really boring
5th bolded - however this guy is - most likely a muslim- hope he gets done - dont believe prison sentence too harsh - fine with community service.
just waiting for the replies by the above indians, - but i really doubtful
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Of course he is lying
Read below, he is the Chairman of the APPG British Hindus. This is an extremist organisation. Check its twitter.
I think Muslims really dont need to worry too much, this isnt India or Kashmir. A few extremists arent going to trouble anyone here apart from attacking the odd child or woman.
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Every single one is of Indian origin. This is Indian politics on our streets. It was inevitable considering the way things are going in India with its toxic hate based environment.
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Do not use any derogatory language against anyone on this thread
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Do you know who Bob Blackman is?
https://mcb.org.uk/press-releases/m...serious-incident-linking-him-to-islamophobia/
My question to you is why is a known islamaphobe supporting a Hindu organisation? Are you islamaphobes who hate Muslims and Islam? If not then you should disown this MP. But you won't and we know why. Fascists generally stick together. You can dress it up in fancy clothes or give it a fancy name but fascism will always be fascism.
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The bbc is attempting to downplay the hinduvta element and they have a history of doing so because it is a political necessity. BBC monitoring monitors foreign media of all kinds including social media. Their analysis will not include testimony. Its combined with some on the ground reporting but their need to be objective tonthe point that they both side everything no matter how stupid reduces their effectiveness.
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We know what MCB is. Anyone calling out the extremism of muslims is islamophobe.
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He supports Tommy Robinson a card carrying Muslim hater. We know you are an anti Muslim racist so not surprised you support this scumbag..birds of a feather etc..
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They are the largest Muslim body in the uk and are representative of thousands of Muslim. The right wing hate them and we know why. Not surprised you are not addressing who he is rather than the McB.
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Answer is pretty obvious. It's a shame really, as these people are giving Hinduism a bad name, a lot of very intellectually stimulating ideas sprung from that religion, as well as some which are not so enticing. With the rise of Modi, seems the Hindu majority have bought into the more ugly and divisive side.
Nah, hinduism has no bad name at all anywhere in the world. As I have said from first post on this thread, there is nothing called as hindu extremism. The Leicester incident was one sided attacks on hindus by usual suspects. Had hindus were the instigators of the riots, Indian pro hindu govt would not proactively ask British authorities to investigate. You only do that when your own house is clean.
Ofcourse you will not trust the MP bcoz he is spilling out the truth you would't like to listen. Ever wondered why likes of Tommy Robinson, who is generally racist, supports hindus over muslims in UK?
People are free to say whatever - this MP is rubbish, he is lying etc. I live in this country and well aware which minority has what reputation here. So pls excuse the horror and don't worry about him giving hindus bad name..lol.
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No I've never wondered, I already know the answer. They both hate Muslims.
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: what an excellent strawman!
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Actually, Tommy Robinson probably despises Hindus as well, he's a racist, but like any good opportunist, he will use the Hindutvas to latch on and do some Muz-bashing. I should stress once again, that there is a distinction between Hindus and hindutvas, the latter of whom are a virulent offshoot of the religion proper, and more of a political movement than a spiritual one.
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Very good point. I think most Hindutvas aren't practicing Hindus. That's the vibe I get.
They just want to appear tough and look for an identity. I think they have insecurity and identity crisis.
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<b>A Hindu man who needed stitches after his head was slashed during violence in Leicester has thanked the Muslim activist who stepped in to save him.</b>
Video of a group of Muslim men attacking Ram Keshwala, 32, in his car circulated online.
In the footage, men can be heard repeating a false rumour that Mr Keshwala had tried to run over the crowd that had taken to the streets following a Hindu march.
After smashing his car, a man can be seen trying to drag Mr Keshwala out of the vehicle before Muslim community activist Majid Freeman steps in to say "leave him" and closes the car door to stop the attack.
Speaking together at a cafe in Leicester, the two men recall what happened on 17 September, when violence spread across the city.
"He saved my life," Mr Keshwala says.
"Because of that, I'm still here."
Mr Freeman recalls: "It was just mayhem. Everything was happening so fast.
"Other people were trying to come, and I was just shouting 'stop, it's done now'.
"But I don't think there was anyone who was physically stopping it because the situation was so hostile… anyone could get hurt."
Several people were injured during clashes in the city that day, including 16 police officers who were targeted with bottles as they tried to separate the two sides.
Tensions that had been simmering for weeks in the city erupted between a group of Hindus and a group of Muslims.
Both sides accused the other of attacks on their community.
Bilal Mangera, 33, was also injured.
He suffered several puncture wounds and ended up in hospital at the same time as Mr Keshwala. He'd gone to support Muslim businesses after he'd heard they were coming under attack.
Meeting Mr Keshwala for the first time, they both agree they want to see peace restored in their city, where for many decades the two communities have lived side by side.
"We need to find the root cause, that's the first thing we need to find out," Mr Mangera says.
"Who are these youngsters who are coming, masked up, and instigating things?
"How do we control the youth that want to take revenge?"
Both sides have found misinformation online that fuels the tension.
Since his attack, an image of Mr Keshwala with blood covering his face was retweeted hundreds of times.
The tweet says "another Hindu thug caught lackin'" and includes a hashtag RSS, which stands for Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, an Indian right wing Hindu nationalist organisation.
Mr Keshwala says he's being falsely accused of supporting the RSS and feels scared when he goes out.
"Right now still I don't feel safe," he said.
"I might get attacked by people because some people don't know I'm innocent."
There are fears on both sides.
"The moment everyone's looking over their shoulders," Mr Freeman says.
"Everyone's losing, there are no winners."
https://news.sky.com/story/hindu-ma...m-during-night-of-leicester-violence-12706552
Video of a group of Muslim men attacking Ram Keshwala, 32, in his car circulated online.
In the footage, men can be heard repeating a false rumour that Mr Keshwala had tried to run over the crowd that had taken to the streets following a Hindu march.
After smashing his car, a man can be seen trying to drag Mr Keshwala out of the vehicle before Muslim community activist Majid Freeman steps in to say "leave him" and closes the car door to stop the attack.
Speaking together at a cafe in Leicester, the two men recall what happened on 17 September, when violence spread across the city.
"He saved my life," Mr Keshwala says.
"Because of that, I'm still here."
Mr Freeman recalls: "It was just mayhem. Everything was happening so fast.
"Other people were trying to come, and I was just shouting 'stop, it's done now'.
"But I don't think there was anyone who was physically stopping it because the situation was so hostile… anyone could get hurt."
Several people were injured during clashes in the city that day, including 16 police officers who were targeted with bottles as they tried to separate the two sides.
Tensions that had been simmering for weeks in the city erupted between a group of Hindus and a group of Muslims.
Both sides accused the other of attacks on their community.
Bilal Mangera, 33, was also injured.
He suffered several puncture wounds and ended up in hospital at the same time as Mr Keshwala. He'd gone to support Muslim businesses after he'd heard they were coming under attack.
Meeting Mr Keshwala for the first time, they both agree they want to see peace restored in their city, where for many decades the two communities have lived side by side.
"We need to find the root cause, that's the first thing we need to find out," Mr Mangera says.
"Who are these youngsters who are coming, masked up, and instigating things?
"How do we control the youth that want to take revenge?"
Both sides have found misinformation online that fuels the tension.
Since his attack, an image of Mr Keshwala with blood covering his face was retweeted hundreds of times.
The tweet says "another Hindu thug caught lackin'" and includes a hashtag RSS, which stands for Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, an Indian right wing Hindu nationalist organisation.
Mr Keshwala says he's being falsely accused of supporting the RSS and feels scared when he goes out.
"Right now still I don't feel safe," he said.
"I might get attacked by people because some people don't know I'm innocent."
There are fears on both sides.
"The moment everyone's looking over their shoulders," Mr Freeman says.
"Everyone's losing, there are no winners."
https://news.sky.com/story/hindu-ma...m-during-night-of-leicester-violence-12706552
Those mutual's favouring the Muslim's will be seen as pleasing the Islamist's or bending to please the Muslim countries. Leicester was a good place until these Hindutva thugs moved in now that they are getting it back they don't like it.
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fully agree and have never been a fan off bbc for last 15yrs.
just listed bbc reports as i knew the above indians wouldnt believe the smaller media , so i listed bbc and sky sports - both funnily enough reported the same report
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Outside of India, BJP goons are unlikely to get away with their usual antics. Not just UK but also other countries possibly.
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In most UK cities Muslim's easily outnumber the Hindu's yet we hardly hear of any trouble between the two communities. In Leicester where both communities have about equal numbers all hell breaks loose after India defeats Pak in a Cricket match. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who the trouble makers are. We hardly here of Hindu's being harnessed in majority Muslim countries where as in India the Muslim's are always being threatened and bullied by the Hindutva extremists. The problem are clearly the Hindutva hooligans.
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Maybe because you are not a Pakistani you don't know.
I have heard of Muslims harassing Hindus in Pakistan over the years.
What has a spelling error got to do with anyone's identity other then you wish I was an Indian!!?
I am talking about countries like UAE, Malaysia, Morocco, Turkey, Maldive islands etc like more developed Muslim countries that Hindu's are addicted to living in and visiting.Pak is no example of how to treat minorities. There in even Muslim's often discriminate against other Muslim's never mind non Muslim's. Never heard of Hindu's being attacked in the aforementioned countries other then Pak.
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What has a spelling error got to do with anyone's identity other then you wish I was an Indian!!?
Pak is no example of how to treat minorities. There in even Muslim's often discriminate against other Muslim's never mind non Muslim's. Never heard of Hindu's being attacked in the aforementioned countries other then Pak.
Ok then..
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What is BJP about this? Any person is free to keep any religious icon in his car or house. This is not pakistan or bangladesh where hindus will be persecuted.
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Where have you heard this?
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Read one BBC article regarding that
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A Muslim leader has told how he teamed up with his Hindu childhood friend in a bid to calm tensions during a night of large-scale disorder in Leicester.
Tensions involving mainly young men from the two communities culminated in the unrest on Saturday 17 September.
Groups threw bottles at each other over police lines, including outside a Hindu temple, where Imam Ahmed and Ajay Nagla tried to "diffuse the situation".
The two men grew up on the same streets in the Highfields area of the city.
"More and more Muslim youth came... and it started to get more and more tense," he said.
"An individual came to me; he was a Muslim. He said 'I think a few people are trying to burn the flag'.
"So I went to that spot and I stopped them, and I said 'Look, what you are doing is un-Islamic, it's wrong, and I proceeded to mention the verse of the Quran which talks about the protection of places of worship."
The Iman described those involved as "idiots" and said he was "livid".
Mr Nagla said: "There were a select few out of the crowd that were breaking the flags off and one of them actually got lit on fire.
"This is where Ahmed was trying to diffuse the situation. I've gone over, put one out with my hand, and the situation has escalated a little bit more."
Mr Nagla said he was also involved in helping people get to their cars and homes during the disorder.
"The [restaurant] owners had locked some of them in the stores because that's what they were advised to do," he said. "Me and another imam, we reassured the owners we would help get everyone to their cars safely."
This, he said, included a mother with a three-month-old baby who was "scared to walk home".
The unrest saw 16 officers and a police dog injured, with Temporary Chief Constable Rob Nixon saying the force was faced with "significant aggression" sparked by a protest in the East Leicester area.
Another protest involving about 100 people followed on Sunday 18 September.
The disorder has led to nearly 50 arrests, 158 crimes being recorded and nine people being charged.
Leicester's mayor has blamed online disinformation for the escalation in trouble, with one man - already sentenced over the disorder - admitting he had been influenced by social media.
Reflecting on his friend being there on the night, Imam Ahmed said: "It was really good because it showed that message of solidarity."
Mr Nagla added: "We have co-existed for over four decades in Leicester and we're not going to let anyone get in the way of that."
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Tensions involving mainly young men from the two communities culminated in the unrest on Saturday 17 September.
Groups threw bottles at each other over police lines, including outside a Hindu temple, where Imam Ahmed and Ajay Nagla tried to "diffuse the situation".
The two men grew up on the same streets in the Highfields area of the city.
"More and more Muslim youth came... and it started to get more and more tense," he said.
"An individual came to me; he was a Muslim. He said 'I think a few people are trying to burn the flag'.
"So I went to that spot and I stopped them, and I said 'Look, what you are doing is un-Islamic, it's wrong, and I proceeded to mention the verse of the Quran which talks about the protection of places of worship."
The Iman described those involved as "idiots" and said he was "livid".
Mr Nagla said: "There were a select few out of the crowd that were breaking the flags off and one of them actually got lit on fire.
"This is where Ahmed was trying to diffuse the situation. I've gone over, put one out with my hand, and the situation has escalated a little bit more."
Mr Nagla said he was also involved in helping people get to their cars and homes during the disorder.
"The [restaurant] owners had locked some of them in the stores because that's what they were advised to do," he said. "Me and another imam, we reassured the owners we would help get everyone to their cars safely."
This, he said, included a mother with a three-month-old baby who was "scared to walk home".
The unrest saw 16 officers and a police dog injured, with Temporary Chief Constable Rob Nixon saying the force was faced with "significant aggression" sparked by a protest in the East Leicester area.
Another protest involving about 100 people followed on Sunday 18 September.
The disorder has led to nearly 50 arrests, 158 crimes being recorded and nine people being charged.
Leicester's mayor has blamed online disinformation for the escalation in trouble, with one man - already sentenced over the disorder - admitting he had been influenced by social media.
Reflecting on his friend being there on the night, Imam Ahmed said: "It was really good because it showed that message of solidarity."
Mr Nagla added: "We have co-existed for over four decades in Leicester and we're not going to let anyone get in the way of that."
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Post the link then??
Tensions wont last long in the UK and have already nearly vanished. For two reasons.
1. Hindus , Muslims, Pakistanis, and Indians mostly dont care about back home politics and get on well.
2. Hindutva cant do sfa here in the UK.
This exercise by hindutvas was to get a reaction from Muslims that they precisely got. There was a lot of talk in BBC , Wash post, NYT etc after India's gyanvapi mosque court ruling. It was about religious freedom of Muslims being taken away in India. The money shot of a thug breaking the Hindu flags on a temple was always the target in Leicester. That's why the rumor of Hindus attacking a mosque was spread. But the Islamic warriors didn't have patience to check the facts first. And the Hindutva was counting on it. Right after this incident, there was no news about gyanvapi mosque in any of the papers. Not even tweets from usually leftist commie gangs. Mission accomplished
You are parroting the words of Islamic orgs. There is no difference between hindutva and hindus. Hindutva is just a Hindi word for Hinduism. Islamic orgs started differentiating Hindus from hindutva because they need Hindus to bash other Hindus. So, the communists with Hindu names are used and the rhetoric served it's purpose. No practicing Hindu thinks Hindutva is different from hindusim. Any one that claims otherwise is either a commie or is just pandering to others. History tells us that Hindus do that a lot. They will say what you want to hear.
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Not really sure what you are trying to say here. I've never been part of Islamic orgs or communist orgs. Never really figured you for a hindutva previously, but duly noted. You should post more on the threads about Hinduism since you seem well versed in it. Many of us would like to learn.
Didn't say you were part of an Islamic org. Just said you repeated what they say. Can't say much about Hinduism as I'm no expert. My inclinations are more towards geopolitics as it was my educational background and also because my family is politically connected in US and to Hindu orgs
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Do not say Islamic organizations are aligned with leftist groups.
Some deviant Islamic groups may do it but Islam has its own identity. Muslims do not need to be associated with leftism.
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Muslims organizations are aligned with the leftist groups in the USA. When there was muslim bashing post 911 in the USA, its the leftist , liberal organizations that came to the rescue of the muslims.
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Many muslim organizations work with organizations that also work with other minority groups like LGBT groups. So muslim and LGBT organizations fall under the umbrella of bigger organizations.
I don't need to say it. It's there for everyone to see. Left liberal press and Hindu communists are aligned with Islamic orgs like Cair, IAMC etc in US. And it is a profitable strategy for both. Muslims embraced the dalits and urban naxals embraced the Muslims. Commies ignore that gay marriage or LGBTQ is not accepted in Islam. Muslims ignore the fact that commies are godless atheists. But because they have a common enemy, they bond well.
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Gyanvapi has got nothing to do here. That issue will be solved as per the court rulings. BBC NYT or WaPo has zero influence in India, so what they say is going to make no difference.
And US is in no position to put any sanctions on India and will not be involved in anyway to do anything in this matter.
Lets be honest here, people of every country are free to run their country as per their wishes.
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The efforts of leftists to try form a Muslim Dalit front has failed miserably. Most dalits identify themselves as hindus and hence have little affinity to align with Muslims politically.
Even the attempt to separate dalits from Hinduism have failed.
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The reporting here is slightly biased and blatantly false. It's the bbc's obviius political anti Muslim bias coming in here. Local media has been much better at reporting this and highlighting who was really to blame. There were no bottles thrown from both sides. The bottles were sharaab bottles a d Muslims especially in Leicester do jot indulge to the the extent of our Hindu neighbours. They are referring to the video posted on Majid freeman's twitter and it clearly shows one side throwing bottles.
There has been a massive attempt but a failed one from certain media sections to try and portray this as a both sides..
You see this is a good way for you to see the real side to blame here. When the media both sides a situation..now if Muslims had started this and burned down a temple there would be no both sides nonsense and rightfully so. These maggots even did this in Bosnia. So as Muslims be smart and keep those vids ready at times like this. That's one thing that helped defeat the narrative this time.
Finally just to say there have been no incidents for a week and anything you hear is **..city is back to normal with diwali coming. But the community is concerned that the diwali celebrations will be used by these fascists to spark something..
"Most" don't matter unless they all have equal voice. What you need to understand is the foreign press, institutions matter. They can shape the narrative and can influence foreign investors in India. They can influence policies for/against India. The same left-muslim Nexus was the reason why Modi wasn't given a US visa a couple of decades ago. The same Nexus is trying to get FBI investigation into Hindu orgs for using a bulldozer in independence day celebrations. The role of Hindu orgs in foreign lands is to lobby for India and can shape the policies for or against India. This diaspora has been influential in trade, Sanctions (India wasn't sanctioned even though it bought S400 from Russia) and Indian govt relies on them. The influential dalits in US have been courted by the Hindu communists in press and have joined the BLM and Islamic orgs. As of now their influence is limited to US because of the strength of the Indian diaspora but their presence has definitely increased.
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Tommy Robinson and Hindutva on the same page it seems.I think that suits Britain First more than it does the Hindus of Leicester.
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Tommy Robinson says in the above interview that
“We have all grown up with Hindus. We know who they are, we know how peaceful they are,”
Then is the same article he professes that he was trying to rally English football supporters into the city for a fight with Muslims. It's a strange take on peaceful relations, and the Hindu community of Leicester need to disasociate themselves from the white power movement. It's not a good look.
“We have all grown up with Hindus. We know who they are, we know how peaceful they are,”
Then is the same article he professes that he was trying to rally English football supporters into the city for a fight with Muslims. It's a strange take on peaceful relations, and the Hindu community of Leicester need to disasociate themselves from the white power movement. It's not a good look.
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Im not sure what chip on their shoulders this new breed of some hindus have but they need to grow up
Trying to Bully intimidate muslims isnt gonna work in the uk where they are outnumbered
I suggest they live and let live peacefully Keep your racist hate ideology out of this country
The majority of hindus of leicester need to speak up and clearly disassociate with this fringe radical element who are clearly have ulterior hate motives and put them in place
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They are peaceful people, living side by side Muslims in Leicester and not responsible for the radicals.
I understand what you are saying but language like this just provokes further division.
You can see for yourself Hindu & muslim leaders coming together outside masjids/mandirs and asking people to refrain from violence.
That is enough. Asking what are essentially victims to come out and speak up is not on in my book.
Our community have been targeted in a similar way in the past.
Ultimately we cant expect innocents to speak on behalf of criminals in their midst.
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I am not sure why Hindus need to live according to how muslims want them to live. UK isn't pakistan where laws will be as per muslims and rest have to be second class.
The Hindus will do what they want, within the laws of UK, muslims dont get to dictate.
For starters they may try to realign politically and no more support the same party that pakistanis do. They have realised how they have no common ground with pakistanis and must align away from them.
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Joining forces with white supremacy groups like Britain First or Tommy Robinson isn't going to end well for Hindus. They can align with whichever groups they want, but aligning with race hate groups who try to organise violence is obviously lighting the touchpaper for more trouble.
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Who and what hindus align with will be their considered decision, and will be based on how and who it benefits them in the current circumstances.
Oh and don't worry about their trouble.
Its not shocking that so many of the posters on this thread are threatening hindus of "trouble".
More reason for hindus to politically realign themselves.
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Britain First is not a major party. Aligning with them is unlikely to do Hindus any good. If anything, Hindus may get harassed further for association with a hate group.
Read about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_First.
Check how many seats they have. They are completely irrelevant.
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I think this post sums it up nicely.
Anyone who wants to debate this, remember, given the situation you can align yourself to right wing racists..
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