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ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

England will probably lose v india. Which means if england lose one match v Aus OR NZ then that opens the fourth semi final slot. We must win all our games!
 
ads101 said:
NZ and Aus are virtually through now even if they lose their remaining games. Only England left to slip up. Windies win really would have put pressure on NZ.
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Aus got 10 points from 6 games. If they loose all 3 games they are not confirmed for semi's.
 
shokz1408 said:
England will probably lose v india. Which means if england lose one match v Aus OR NZ then that opens the fourth semi final slot. We must win all our games!
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Even if we win all, England manages to win only one, our NRR will still be worst. So, we are practically out.
 
Is there any possibility we can lose to South Africa and still end up semi final?

I mean with 9 points?
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Lol. If england win one out of three games they will be on 10 points and pakistan can get 11.
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I didn't think of that. Still i think may be another team will tie in before us? Who besides us, can have 11 points?
 
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This world cup is wide open now, England and Australia have a high chance of losing a semi spot to Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan. World cup 2019 is WW3
 
shokz1408 said:
England will probably lose v india. Which means if england lose one match v Aus OR NZ then that opens the fourth semi final slot. We must win all our games!
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England and Australia will not make it. I have been saying this for the past week and all these pp experts have been doing is calling me "delusional" and "a stupid little kid" and look what is happening now.
 
Guys jus relax lool. We’ll know by tomorrow if Pakistan’s going through, if they win then they’re alive. A loss tomorrow almost guarantees England semi final spot
 
Lets talk realistic.
BEcause in theory we can get mars to have environment like earth just by planting few trees in isolation and keep on converting co2 into o2 but thats not gonna happen,and so is teams below 4th position aint gonna win all matches so...

Par points should be 10 atleast,could be 11 too..

Teams already qualify?india,nz.
Why? Coz nz have 11 already with good NRR and having left with 4 more matches they easily qualify,less we talk about ind the better.

Teams most likely to qualify..Aus,eng

Aus- already at 10 points with good NRR,left matches with saf,eng,nz is likey to win one of them if not all.reaching total of 12 to qualify.

Eng is in a pickle,is at 8 points but best NRR in all teams,
Matches left with Ind,aus,nz and should atleast win 1 game if not 2.

Scenarion 1- wins atleast 1 game to reach 10 points with best NRR to make cutoff for 10 points.
Scenario 2- losses all 3 matches and now lowtable teams come into contention.

Sl-at 6 points need 3/3 wins from ind,Wi,Saf to qualify so most likely will miss out

Bd- at 5 points need to win all 3 and possibly has best chances to win having to face afg,pak,and ind against whom they play well.

Pak- at 3 points in 5 matches and bad NRR. Have to win all remaining matches consisting Nz,Saf,Bd,Afg to qualify which seems to be nearly impossible considering current form of the team.so most likely to be disqualified.

Wi,SAf,AFG not being able to reach par 10 points are already disqualified(considering eng wins atleast one)

Your thoughts?
 
adil79 said:
F me. I didn't think of that. Still i think may be another team will tie in before us? Who besides us, can have 11 points?
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Bangladesh can get to 11 points if they win next three games.

India can get to 11 points if they win 1 and loose 3 games. Which is very unlikely.

Pakistan can get to 11 points if they win next 4 games.

If srilanka win thier remaining games they will be on 12 points.


England can get to 11 points if they win one loose one and one washout.
 
Lets talk realistic.
BEcause in theory we can get mars to have environment like earth just by planting few trees in isolation and keep on converting co2 into o2 but thats not gonna happen,and so is teams below 4th position aint gonna win all matches so...

Par points should be 10 atleast,could be 11 too..

Teams already qualify?india,nz.
Why? Coz nz have 11 already with good NRR and having left with 4 more matches they easily qualify,less we talk about ind the better.

Teams most likely to qualify..Aus,eng

Aus- already at 10 points with good NRR,left matches with saf,eng,nz is likey to win one of them if not all.reaching total of 12 to qualify.

Eng is in a pickle,is at 8 points but best NRR in all teams,
Matches left with Ind,aus,nz and should atleast win 1 game if not 2.

Scenarion 1- wins atleast 1 game to reach 10 points with best NRR to make cutoff for 10 points.
Scenario 2- losses 2 matches and now lowtable teams come into contention.
Scenario 3- losses all 3 matches to be stuck at 8 points and opens up new gates of hope and possibility for lowtable teams but this unlikely to happen with chances under 10%

Sl-at 6 points need 3/3 wins from ind,Wi,Saf to qualify so most likely will miss out

Bd- at 5 points need to win all 3 and possibly has best chances to win having to face afg,pak,and ind against whom they play well.

Pak- at 3 points in 5 matches and bad NRR. Have to win all remaining matches consisting Nz,Saf,Bd,Afg to qualify which seems to be nearly impossible considering current form of the team.so most likely to be disqualified.

Wi,SAf,AFG not being able to reach par 10 points are already disqualified(considering eng wins atleast one)

Your thoughts?
 
I am enjoying the uncertainty with regards to the Top 4. It keeps everyone involved. I have a feeling there will be more upsets in the tournament.
 
Assuming we win each of our next 2 games by 10 runs and the BD game by 10 runs.
If NZ were to lose their last 3 games by 10 runs each, how well do we need to beat Afg to overturn run rated differential to NZ??
Any mathematicians here?
 
Time to focus on our game.
We will talk scenarios tomorrow evening inshaAllah, or after the England Aus game
 
Pak need to win all 4 matches😂and nz to lose all haha ,no need mathematicians thats pure fiction right there
 
DeadlyYorker said:
Pak need to win all 4 matches��and nz to lose all haha ,no need mathematicians thats pure fiction right there
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New Zealand losing won't do anything. England needs to lose their next 3 which is entirely possible because they face Aus, NZ and India.
 
Anothrr classic match. By the end we may get more thrillers in this world cup than the last 3 combined!
 
BDfanforever said:
Easiest schedule. None of their wins against BD/RSA/WI were convincing. Rained off game against IND, etc.

If they lose by big margins to Aus/Eng/PAK they could still go out lol.
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You play against every team, so how can you say they had an easy schedule? Having 3 "easier" games first could also be a disadvantage, playing 5 "good" sides back to back is not easy. Had they lost one of those first 3 games, people could've been complaining that they got a hard schedule for having to face all top teams at the end.

Australia's wins against us and WI weren't convincing either, nobody is calling them lucky.
 
aloo paratha said:
You play against every team, so how can you say they had an easy schedule? Having 3 "easier" games first could also be a disadvantage, playing 5 "good" sides back to back is not easy. Had they lost one of those first 3 games, people could've been complaining that they got a hard schedule for having to face all top teams at the end.

Australia's wins against us and WI weren't convincing either, nobody is calling them lucky.
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Good teams find a way to win even when they're not at their best. I don't think we've played anywhere as well as we can and we're pretty much through to the Semis.
 
aloo paratha said:
You play against every team, so how can you say they had an easy schedule? Having 3 "easier" games first could also be a disadvantage, playing 5 "good" sides back to back is not easy. Had they lost one of those first 3 games, people could've been complaining that they got a hard schedule for having to face all top teams at the end.

Australia's wins against us and WI weren't convincing either, nobody is calling them lucky.
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They were pretty convincing against you guys. Not everyday Wahab and Hasan will give you 60 odd runs. Against, WI yeah they were shaky, but we are talking about Australia here. They are masters of winning games from any position. They also wouldve won against IND if not for that Bhuvi double strike over.
 
BDfanforever said:
They were pretty convincing against you guys. Not everyday Wahab and Hasan will give you 60 odd runs. Against, WI yeah they were shaky, but we are talking about Australia here. They are masters of winning games from any position. They also wouldve won against IND if not for that Bhuvi double strike over.
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Then NZ must also be masters of winning close games, as they've had 3 in this tournament and won all 3 of them. Why the double standard? All these "would have" scenarios are dumb. NZ deserve to be in the semis.
 
WI, SA and Afghanistan are effectively out unless England lose 3 from 3 and win all their games and hope they have a better NRR.

If Pakistan lose tonight they're in the same boat.

SL and Bangladesh have the best chance, still unlikely as both need to beat India. Bangladesh also has Pakistan while SL have SA and WI.
 
BDfanforever said:
They were pretty convincing against you guys. Not everyday Wahab and Hasan will give you 60 odd runs. Against, WI yeah they were shaky, but we are talking about Australia here. They are masters of winning games from any position. They also wouldve won against IND if not for that Bhuvi double strike over.
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Then NZ must also be masters of winning close games, as they've had 3 in this tournament and won all 3 of them. Why the double standard? All these "would have" scenarios are dumb. NZ deserve to be in the semis.

Also, it's not everyday that the oppositions #7 is going to come out and score a century against you out of nowhere like Brathwaite did today. So again that point goes both ways.
 
aloo paratha said:
Then NZ must also be masters of winning close games, as they've had 3 in this tournament and won all 3 of them. Why the double standard? All these "would have" scenarios are dumb. NZ deserve to be in the semis.
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This is the same guy who earlier was saying Santner would have been out if the ball pitches inside the line and was trying to act like Bangladesh were robbed of a run out using a frame before the stumps are dislodged and the led lights turn on :facepalm:

This dude is changing balls, reality and posting incorrect pictures to push his narrative.
 
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Aman said:
WI, SA and Afghanistan are effectively out unless England lose 3 from 3 and win all their games and hope they have a better NRR.

If Pakistan lose tonight they're in the same boat.

SL and Bangladesh have the best chance, still unlikely as both need to beat India. Bangladesh also has Pakistan while SL have SA and WI.
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SL are on 6 points. 2 wins by good margins could be enough for them as long as England lose at least 1 game.
 
Aman said:
This is the same guy who earlier was saying Santner would have been out if the ball pitches inside the line and was trying to act like Bangladesh were robbed of a run out using a frame before the stumps are dislodged and the led lights turn on :facepalm:

This dude is changing balls, reality and posting incorrect pictures to push his narrative.
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Yeah man. Pakistan would have won all of the World Cups had the opposition not played better than them:inti
 
aloo paratha said:
Yeah man. Pakistan would have won all of the World Cups had the opposition not played better than them:inti
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Some Bangladeshi fans are the absolute worse, a lot of them have been crapping on NZ because we "stole" a win and ruined their WC. If Kane had played it safe we would have cruised to the target but he wanted to chase the total down fast as possible for NRR, we played dumb shots to make the game close after dominating it for most of the game. Same fans today were talking about WI handing the game to us by playing dumb shots.
 
With the outcome of results today, New Zealand and India have pretty much nailed their qualification and only a miracle can make them lose out before the Semi-Finals.

South Africa, West Indies and Afghanistan have all been disqualified, if England win 1 of their remaining games, not that they will definitely qualify otherwise even.

That leaves 5 teams vying for 2 spots, namely: Australia, England, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

With Bangladesh and Sri Lanka both yet to face India, their chances are pretty slim if they don't manage to win that game as they won't be able to secure 11 points and would rely on miracles from other teams just like SA and WI.

This means 3 teams have a more realistic chance, that are Australia, England and Pakistan.

For Pakistan without depending on NRR, they need to win against all of South Africa, New Zealand, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

This would mean either of these 2 should happen with the other teams in the race:

1) Australia to lose against all of England, New Zealand and South Africa and they will be eliminated.

2) England to win 1 game from matches against India, Australia and New Zealand.

Other than that, we can also qualify even if we lose 1 more game, but that would require England to lose all 3 of their remaining matches, which are against difficult oppositions and could happen.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
With the outcome of results today, New Zealand and India have pretty much nailed their qualification and only a miracle can make them lose out before the Semi-Finals.

South Africa, West Indies and Afghanistan have all been disqualified, if England win 1 of their remaining games, not that they will definitely qualify otherwise even.

That leaves 5 teams vying for 2 spots, namely: Australia, England, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

With Bangladesh and Sri Lanka both yet to face India, their chances are pretty slim if they don't manage to win that game as they won't be able to secure 11 points and would rely on miracles from other teams just like SA and WI.

This means 3 teams have a more realistic chance, that are Australia, England and Pakistan.

For Pakistan without depending on NRR, they need to win against all of South Africa, New Zealand, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

This would mean either of these 2 should happen with the other teams in the race:

1) Australia to lose against all of England, New Zealand and South Africa and they will be eliminated.

2) England to win 1 game from matches against India, Australia and New Zealand.

Other than that, we can also qualify even if we lose 1 more game, but that would require England to lose all 3 of their remaining matches, which are against difficult oppositions and could happen.
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If India beats SL and Bangladesh, we're through regardless of how we do.
 
I think some Pakistani fans are taking this too seriously. Imo we're out.
Don't give yourself so much false hope that when we actually get knocked out you feel devastated. I'm talking from experience
 
Aman said:
If India beats SL and Bangladesh, we're through regardless of how we do.
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That's almost true, and only possible way you guys will be out would be if Pakistan win all their remaining matches in thumping style with big margins such that our NRR goes above New Zealand. Given that NZ loses all of their games.
 
Aman said:
Some Bangladeshi fans are the absolute worse, a lot of them have been crapping on NZ because we "stole" a win and ruined their WC. If Kane had played it safe we would have cruised to the target but he wanted to chase the total down fast as possible for NRR, we played dumb shots to make the game close after dominating it for most of the game. Same fans today were talking about WI handing the game to us by playing dumb shots.
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No one is saying, you guys "stole" anything. You won fair and square. The bold is simply false, Kane did play it for safe, his SR was like 55. In 2015, when NZ went to final I never claimed they were lucky or anything. In fact, that team is deserving of a championship more than this one.

Who is more worse, your commentator who has Bangladesh finishing last even below Afghanistan even though the same team defeated you in the last Champions Trophy and has 82% win ratio against you outside of NZ swinging conditions in the last decade?
 
As a NZ fan, even Aman knows that his team feels like it will go off-rail in the coming weeks. KW will have a bad day and they will lose.
 
Yappa!!! People are jealous on real cricket.

People are not bothered about Pakistan's pathetic performance but they want them in semis. It should be always real talent should stay but not short cuts.

These calculations are crazy and unrealistic.
 
Aman said:
This is the same guy who earlier was saying Santner would have been out if the ball pitches inside the line and was trying to act like Bangladesh were robbed of a run out using a frame before the stumps are dislodged and the led lights turn on :facepalm:

This dude is changing balls, reality and posting incorrect pictures to push his narrative.
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Yeah. He has been always talking as if Bangladesh is the SA of 1992 WC. Just look at his theory, if Bhuvi hadn't taken that 2 wickets, AUS would've won against Ind. Almost saying if Ind hadn't taken wickets, AUS would've won. He has been harping about that missed run out chance against NZ as if umpires dint give NZ batsman out when infact it was the incompetency of his countrymen that caused it. Looks like some success has gone into his head.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
I think some Pakistani fans are taking this too seriously. Imo we're out.
Don't give yourself so much false hope that when we actually get knocked out you feel devastated. I'm talking from experience
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You're talking from experience? Are you considering the 1992 campaign as part of your experience as well?
 
Ronaldo7 said:
I think some Pakistani fans are taking this too seriously. Imo we're out.
Don't give yourself so much false hope that when we actually get knocked out you feel devastated. I'm talking from experience
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It ain't over until the fat lady sings. :sarf

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1992 was too far back in time. Other leading cricket playing nations have come a long way since 1992. Teams like Australia and India did not qualify for the semi finals in that world cup, whereas South Africa did. This time just the reverse appears to be happening.
 
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Sorry guys it's far from over and I know some of the scenarios below are ridiculous but we are still in. Credit to my friend who posted this on Facebook:


"PAKISTAN'S CHANCES

So things are getting interesting at the business end of the WC. The underdogs are rocking the boat.

Teams that have been knocked out: AFG.

Teams that still have a chance to make the semis: IND, NZ, AUS, ENG, SL, BD, PAK, SA & WI.

So what has to happen now in order for PAK to make the semis?

The focus of the below is only to view this from PAK perspective.

1. PAK ideally need to win all 4 of the remaining matches: SA, NZ, BD, AFG. We will go from 3 to 11.

2. SL need to lose at least 1 of their 3 matches: SA, WI, IND. Even if they win the other two they will go from 6 to 10.

3. BD need to lose at least 1of their 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK. Since we have to beat them that will knock them out. Even if they win their other two matches they will go from 5 to 9.

4. SA & WI cannot go through if PAK gets to 11 since they can only get to 9 if they win all 3 of their matches.

The scenarios for PAK to go through if we win all 4 matches go to 11 and the above happens with SL & BD.

SCENARIO 1

ENG lose 2 out 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will go from 8 to 10.

SCENARIO 2

AUS lose all 3 of their matches: ENG, NZ, SA.
They will remain on 10.

SCENARIO 3

IND lose all 4 of their matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will remain on 9.

SCENARIO 4

IND lose 3 of their 4 matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will go from 9 to 11.
IND and PAK will be tied on 11.
NRR will determine so PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 4 matches by big margins.

SCENARIO 5

NZ lose all 3 of their matches: PAK, ENG, AUS.
They will remain on 11.
NZ and PAK will be tied on 11.
NRR will determine so PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 4 matches by big margins.

But there are three scenarios in which PAK can go through with just 3 wins out of the 4 remaining matches.

SCENARIO 6

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

ENG lose all 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will remain on 8.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 2 out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 7.

WI lose 1 out of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 7.

SA loses 1 out of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 7.

SCENARIO 7

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

ENG lose all 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will remain on 8.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 1out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 9.

WI don't lose any of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 9.

SA don't lose any of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 9.

BD, WI, SA & PAK will be tied on 9.

Only one of the four will go through based on NRR.
So PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 3 matches by big margins.

SCENARIO 8

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 1out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 9.

WI don't lose any of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 9.

SA don't lose any of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 9.

IND lose all 4 of their matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will remain on 9.

BD, IND, WI, SA & PAK will be tied on 9.

Only one of the five will go through based on NRR. So PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 3 matches by big margins."
 
Chuggy said:
Sorry guys it's far from over and I know some of the scenarios below are ridiculous but we are still in. Credit to my friend who posted this on Facebook:


"PAKISTAN'S CHANCES

So things are getting interesting at the business end of the WC. The underdogs are rocking the boat.

Teams that have been knocked out: AFG.

Teams that still have a chance to make the semis: IND, NZ, AUS, ENG, SL, BD, PAK, SA & WI.

So what has to happen now in order for PAK to make the semis?

The focus of the below is only to view this from PAK perspective.

1. PAK ideally need to win all 4 of the remaining matches: SA, NZ, BD, AFG. We will go from 3 to 11.

2. SL need to lose at least 1 of their 3 matches: SA, WI, IND. Even if they win the other two they will go from 6 to 10.

3. BD need to lose at least 1of their 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK. Since we have to beat them that will knock them out. Even if they win their other two matches they will go from 5 to 9.

4. SA & WI cannot go through if PAK gets to 11 since they can only get to 9 if they win all 3 of their matches.

The scenarios for PAK to go through if we win all 4 matches go to 11 and the above happens with SL & BD.

SCENARIO 1

ENG lose 2 out 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will go from 8 to 10.

SCENARIO 2

AUS lose all 3 of their matches: ENG, NZ, SA.
They will remain on 10.

SCENARIO 3

IND lose all 4 of their matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will remain on 9.

SCENARIO 4

IND lose 3 of their 4 matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will go from 9 to 11.
IND and PAK will be tied on 11.
NRR will determine so PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 4 matches by big margins.

SCENARIO 5

NZ lose all 3 of their matches: PAK, ENG, AUS.
They will remain on 11.
NZ and PAK will be tied on 11.
NRR will determine so PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 4 matches by big margins.

But there are three scenarios in which PAK can go through with just 3 wins out of the 4 remaining matches.

SCENARIO 6

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

ENG lose all 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will remain on 8.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 2 out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 7.

WI lose 1 out of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 7.

SA loses 1 out of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 7.

SCENARIO 7

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

ENG lose all 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will remain on 8.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 1out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 9.

WI don't lose any of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 9.

SA don't lose any of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 9.

BD, WI, SA & PAK will be tied on 9.

Only one of the four will go through based on NRR.
So PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 3 matches by big margins.

SCENARIO 8

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 1out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 9.

WI don't lose any of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 9.

SA don't lose any of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 9.

IND lose all 4 of their matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will remain on 9.

BD, IND, WI, SA & PAK will be tied on 9.

Only one of the five will go through based on NRR. So PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 3 matches by big margins."
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In summary, tigers must play like lambs and lambs must play like tigers.:yk
 
Aman said:
Some Bangladeshi fans are the absolute worse, a lot of them have been crapping on NZ because we "stole" a win and ruined their WC. If Kane had played it safe we would have cruised to the target but he wanted to chase the total down fast as possible for NRR, we played dumb shots to make the game close after dominating it for most of the game. Same fans today were talking about WI handing the game to us by playing dumb shots.
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Not really, maybe some fans, just like "some" fans of other countries say ridiculous things as well .

NZ actually did very well against us, far better than they did against South Africa and West Indies.

SA in particular had what like 4 dropped catches and a simple runout missed?

BD has lost so far to NZ, England and Australia, 3 of the strongest 4 sides, which is pretty much our level
 
NZ have been so lucky that the opposition scored less runs than them in every game.

Bangladesh have been unlucky because dropped catches and missed run outs are basicly a coin toss and lack of skill has no bearing on it at all.
 
Chuggy said:
Sorry guys it's far from over and I know some of the scenarios below are ridiculous but we are still in. Credit to my friend who posted this on Facebook:


"PAKISTAN'S CHANCES

So things are getting interesting at the business end of the WC. The underdogs are rocking the boat.

Teams that have been knocked out: AFG.

Teams that still have a chance to make the semis: IND, NZ, AUS, ENG, SL, BD, PAK, SA & WI.

So what has to happen now in order for PAK to make the semis?

The focus of the below is only to view this from PAK perspective.

1. PAK ideally need to win all 4 of the remaining matches: SA, NZ, BD, AFG. We will go from 3 to 11.

2. SL need to lose at least 1 of their 3 matches: SA, WI, IND. Even if they win the other two they will go from 6 to 10.

3. BD need to lose at least 1of their 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK. Since we have to beat them that will knock them out. Even if they win their other two matches they will go from 5 to 9.

4. SA & WI cannot go through if PAK gets to 11 since they can only get to 9 if they win all 3 of their matches.

The scenarios for PAK to go through if we win all 4 matches go to 11 and the above happens with SL & BD.

SCENARIO 1

ENG lose 2 out 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will go from 8 to 10.

SCENARIO 2

AUS lose all 3 of their matches: ENG, NZ, SA.
They will remain on 10.

SCENARIO 3

IND lose all 4 of their matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will remain on 9.

SCENARIO 4

IND lose 3 of their 4 matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will go from 9 to 11.
IND and PAK will be tied on 11.
NRR will determine so PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 4 matches by big margins.

SCENARIO 5

NZ lose all 3 of their matches: PAK, ENG, AUS.
They will remain on 11.
NZ and PAK will be tied on 11.
NRR will determine so PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 4 matches by big margins.

But there are three scenarios in which PAK can go through with just 3 wins out of the 4 remaining matches.

SCENARIO 6

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

ENG lose all 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will remain on 8.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 2 out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 7.

WI lose 1 out of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 7.

SA loses 1 out of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 7.

SCENARIO 7

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

ENG lose all 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will remain on 8.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 1out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 9.

WI don't lose any of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 9.

SA don't lose any of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 9.

BD, WI, SA & PAK will be tied on 9.

Only one of the four will go through based on NRR.
So PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 3 matches by big margins.

SCENARIO 8

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 1out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 9.

WI don't lose any of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 9.

SA don't lose any of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 9.

IND lose all 4 of their matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will remain on 9.

BD, IND, WI, SA & PAK will be tied on 9.

Only one of the five will go through based on NRR. So PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 3 matches by big margins."
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That's a very detailed and informative post.

The good news for Pakistan is we can still lose this one and dream of semi finals.
 
Space Cat said:
NZ have been so lucky that the opposition scored less runs than them in every game.

Bangladesh have been unlucky because dropped catches and missed run outs are basicly a coin toss and lack of skill has no bearing on it at all.
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NZ has been playing extremely well but to be fair they did have an easier road the most of the top teams.

Played this opposition in order:

1) SL
2) BANG
3) AFG
4) India (washed out)
5) South Africa
6) West Indies

The hardest teams (ENG, India, Aus) NZ didnt even play and they are pretty much through to the semis. Could have been a different story if they lost against India and England for example, then nerves and fear of dropping out of semis, they could have botched the very close west indies game too. Cricket is weird sometimes with all of its permutations and context.

A bit of luck combined with a lot of skills makes or breaks the tournament.

NZ look set to win their first world cup this year!
 
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Lets get this straight. If Pakistan wins all the 4 matches, is the route to SF still depends upon other teams win/lose?
 
Batsmen need to step up for the SF, Lockie and Boult need to jump another gear or two for the KO stage like Amir did for Pakistan in the CT Final.

Bring the 150kph+ searing yorkers, bouncers and intensity for India, Aus etc.
 
Rooting for any team that kicks England out. Their gloating has become intolerable. The English commies always start with a history class. After 2015 we have decided to train our team to become a marvel team. One is Spider-Man one is king Kong one is hulk.. we will squash anything in our path. These self proclaimed
Ed mountain movers was brought down to earth by two Asian sides. Hope the trend continues.
 
Chuggy said:
Sorry guys it's far from over and I know some of the scenarios below are ridiculous but we are still in. Credit to my friend who posted this on Facebook:


"PAKISTAN'S CHANCES

So things are getting interesting at the business end of the WC. The underdogs are rocking the boat.

Teams that have been knocked out: AFG.

Teams that still have a chance to make the semis: IND, NZ, AUS, ENG, SL, BD, PAK, SA & WI.

So what has to happen now in order for PAK to make the semis?

The focus of the below is only to view this from PAK perspective.

1. PAK ideally need to win all 4 of the remaining matches: SA, NZ, BD, AFG. We will go from 3 to 11.

2. SL need to lose at least 1 of their 3 matches: SA, WI, IND. Even if they win the other two they will go from 6 to 10.

3. BD need to lose at least 1of their 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK. Since we have to beat them that will knock them out. Even if they win their other two matches they will go from 5 to 9.

4. SA & WI cannot go through if PAK gets to 11 since they can only get to 9 if they win all 3 of their matches.

The scenarios for PAK to go through if we win all 4 matches go to 11 and the above happens with SL & BD.

SCENARIO 1

ENG lose 2 out 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will go from 8 to 10.

SCENARIO 2

AUS lose all 3 of their matches: ENG, NZ, SA.
They will remain on 10.

SCENARIO 3

IND lose all 4 of their matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will remain on 9.

SCENARIO 4

IND lose 3 of their 4 matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will go from 9 to 11.
IND and PAK will be tied on 11.
NRR will determine so PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 4 matches by big margins.

SCENARIO 5

NZ lose all 3 of their matches: PAK, ENG, AUS.
They will remain on 11.
NZ and PAK will be tied on 11.
NRR will determine so PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 4 matches by big margins.

But there are three scenarios in which PAK can go through with just 3 wins out of the 4 remaining matches.

SCENARIO 6

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

ENG lose all 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will remain on 8.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 2 out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 7.

WI lose 1 out of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 7.

SA loses 1 out of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 7.

SCENARIO 7

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

ENG lose all 3 matches: AUS, IND, NZ.
They will remain on 8.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 1out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 9.

WI don't lose any of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 9.

SA don't lose any of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 9.

BD, WI, SA & PAK will be tied on 9.

Only one of the four will go through based on NRR.
So PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 3 matches by big margins.

SCENARIO 8

PAK win 3 out of their 4 matches and go to 9.

SL loses 2 out of 3 matches: SA, WI, IND.
They will go from 6 to 8.

BD loses 1out of 3 matches: AFG, IND, PAK.
They will go from 5 to 9.

WI don't lose any of 3 matches: IND, SL, AFG.
They will go from 3 to 9.

SA don't lose any of 3 matches: PAK, SL, AUS.
They will go from 3 to 9.

IND lose all 4 of their matches: WI, ENG, BD, SL.
They will remain on 9.

BD, IND, WI, SA & PAK will be tied on 9.

Only one of the five will go through based on NRR. So PAK can go through only if they are able to win their 3 matches by big margins."
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Feeling for the guy who did a fantastic job to atleast make us hopeful for one more match :)
 
cricket.mad said:
Even if Pakistan are defeated in this match,they can make to semis if permutations and combinations work out ,provided pak wins the other three matches
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After every loss paks chances of semis increase- great format, previous formats pak would lose to the likes of ireland & come back home no hiding place this time going to have to play all the sides.
 
First one down.

We should be favourites for Afghanistan and Bangladesh. So it's really the New Zealand match we have to overperform.

Great step in the right direction though, glad we're not giving up yet.
 
Pakistan will in sha Allah win the remaining matches as well.

Against Kiwis, should just see off Boult and get Williamson early.
 
All remaining 3 matches are tough. Beating NZ is really tough and dealing with Kane Williamson. NZ were the hot team in 1992 as well and Martin Crowe was in Kane Williamson type form as well. Team needs to treat each and every game as a do or die game, think this will keep the team focused
 
Hope Pakistan Vs Bangladesh is a do or die with both team pinning their qualification hopes on the game.
 
Pak need to win out..lanka need to lose one against India/sa/windies..england need to lose two against aus/India/nz simple as that
 
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Pakistan wins all 3

Bangladesh and SL lose 1 out of 3

England lose 2 out of 3 (India, Australia and NZ coming up so quite possible)

Pakistan will go through
 
DeadlyYorker said:
Lets talk realistic.
BEcause in theory we can get mars to have environment like earth just by planting few trees in isolation and keep on converting co2 into o2 but thats not gonna happen,and so is teams below 4th position aint gonna win all matches so...

Par points should be 10 atleast,could be 11 too..

Teams already qualify?india,nz.
Why? Coz nz have 11 already with good NRR and having left with 4 more matches they easily qualify,less we talk about ind the better.

Teams most likely to qualify..Aus,eng

Aus- already at 10 points with good NRR,left matches with saf,eng,nz is likey to win one of them if not all.reaching total of 12 to qualify.

Eng is in a pickle,is at 8 points but best NRR in all teams,
Matches left with Ind,aus,nz and should atleast win 1 game if not 2.

Scenarion 1- wins atleast 1 game to reach 10 points with best NRR to make cutoff for 10 points.
Scenario 2- losses 2 matches and now lowtable teams come into contention.
Scenario 3- losses all 3 matches to be stuck at 8 points and opens up new gates of hope and possibility for lowtable teams but this unlikely to happen with chances under 10%

Sl-at 6 points need 3/3 wins from ind,Wi,Saf to qualify so most likely will miss out

Bd- at 5 points need to win all 3 and possibly has best chances to win having to face afg,pak,and ind against whom they play well.

Pak- at 3 points in 5 matches and bad NRR. Have to win all remaining matches consisting Nz,Saf,Bd,Afg to qualify which seems to be nearly impossible considering current form of the team.so most likely to be disqualified.

Wi,SAf,AFG not being able to reach par 10 points are already disqualified(considering eng wins atleast one)

Your thoughts?
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All you’re doing is applying statistical analysis. Disregarding all other plausible outcomes.

May I add Pakistan was in a similar position back in 92. It’s plausible. (No way am I implying I believe in silly superstitions, just making a point)


Also the probability of us landing on Mars and inhabiting it to Pakistan qualifying, is so vast it’s laughable you even used it as an analogy.
 
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