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ICC World Cup 2023: Australia v South Africa | 2nd Semi Final | Kolkata | 16 November | Match Discussion

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One thing about Australia is that they go for the kill, their using all 3 of their pacers cause they just want to end South Africa and be done with it
 
mominsaigol said:
It is not questionable.

Stark peaked at the right time but at the start of the tournament he was a joke compared to his classic dominating self of the past who would be a nightmare new ball bowler for others.

Steve Smith in 2015 was even > 2015 version of kohli at the time. Kohli 2016 surpassed him though, but current Smith is a joke beyond belief and a thorn in the side. Labu is also causing balance problems.

Watson not being here is a huge miss.

Warner of the current era while good is a shadow of his former 2015 self.

Aus bowlers of 2015 were unplayable, aus batters were master class strikers.

The 2015 aussie team would have loved batting in these conditons and you'd see bazzball 400× strokes.

Only player who's superior in 2023 to their 2015 counter part is Glenn Maxwell.
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True but head Maxwell green Cummins are all in their prime. Hazlewood is in his prime still. Even better. He was too young then.
It would be dead even. In Asian conditions I think this team if they get rid of Smith and labu and put the young guns in they would win.
 
Asif321 said:
Bounce seam swing . Other team would have bowled here but SA know their only chance is batting first so every way they will will be hammered
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That's why they deserve this.

You need to be able to compete outside of your preferred M.O.

If the conditions called for a bowl first, that should have influenced the decision.

Another gone!
 
Asif321 said:
Bounce seam swing . Other team would have bowled here but SA know their only chance is batting first so every way they will will be hammered
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Cummins said he would’ve batted first too.. I think everyone misjudged how much the ball would move in the air with the cloud cover around
 
I am honestly surprised at South Africa's approach here. I thought they would go wild.
 
Only Australia has the pedigree to defeat India and they are well on their way.

South Africa, like New Zealand are soft teams. Irrespective of how flawless they look on paper, they'll always find a way to crumble in big occasions. By now you would have expected both New Zealand and South Africa to be battle-hardened but they're not.

For the finals- hope the pitch is kept as mystery, and Rohit spins the coin 3 pitches away this time and walks himself to pick it up and call the toss. That'll be the ideal start.
 
Miller and Klassen are not new ball batsmen. They will get out very soon. If i were Australia i would give one more spell to them.
 
Miller and Klaasen. Last 2 proper batters.

Rest are either tail-enders or bowling all-rounders.
 
ICC should ban NZ and SAF in main knock outs if they want cricket to progress. Such a predictable and pathetic teams in KO
 
Legacy lives on. These are not alien conditions for South Africans compared to say Subcontinent team. ball whopping around, carrying. Having said that same South Africa was 9/5 against Arshdeep and Deepak chahar in similar conditions. They completely owned the same top order.
 
kron said:
True but head Maxwell green Cummins are all in their prime. Hazlewood is in his prime still. Even better. He was too young then.
It would be dead even. In Asian conditions I think this team if they get rid of Smith and labu and put the young guns in they would win.
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Cummings in 2015 was better, so was Hazelwood.

You're forgetting how bad these guys were at the start and throughout the tournament however if you read my comments from a month ago I told everyone Australia is the only team capable of losing 3 games on the dot and dominating their next 7 games cause they know how to peak and win games.

Today's match everyone is on song and back to their 2015 way of bowling by having perfect line and length but their 2015 versions were doing it since ball 1, only having one collapse against NZ which even then NZ beat them in the group stage by only 1 wicket and barely managed to win.

Maxwell is superior, the rest are not better then their 2015 versions however today and in the final they are all onsong.

Look at their fielding in the India game and their fielding today where everyone is a johnty rhodes on the field.

This aus team is the 2nd weakest ever but it shoes how strong aus truly is a champions team compared to someone like Pakistan. Their not mental midgets, they punch > their weight, they Peak at the right time and now that their in the semi finals, their the only team capable of taking down India and putting Indian fans in their place.
 
Australia is on 7 matches win streak and they will be on 9 matches win streak after the final.
Let's go Australia...
 
Sunzi said:
That's why they deserve this.

You need to be able to compete outside of your preferred M.O.

If the conditions called for a bowl first, that should have influenced the decision.

Another gone!
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Yes they went for batting even the pitch has been under cover for long . Also very dark clouds . They should have backed themselves to get them out quick and that likely would have happened but they just got scared of their history
 
This is the SA team that beat Australia 4 games in a row on roads. It is not a road. They are getting exposed.
 
This side is no better, it's repeat of 2007.

Best SA teams were 1999, 2015 and 1992.
 
This is mental disintegration. Take nothing from Aus bowling and fielding but this isn't a 20/4 pitch in first 10 overs. Reminds me of 2007 WC SF where McGrath and Tait did the damage.
 
mominsaigol said:
Cummings in 2015 was better, so was Hazelwood.

You're forgetting how bad these guys were at the start and throughout the tournament however if you read my comments from a month ago I told everyone Australia is the only team capable of losing 3 games on the dot and dominating their next 7 games cause they know how to peak and win games.

Today's match everyone is on song and back to their 2015 way of bowling by having perfect line and length but their 2015 versions were doing it since ball 1, only having one collapse against NZ which even then NZ beat them in the group stage by only 1 wicket and barely managed to win.

Maxwell is superior, the rest are not better then their 2015 versions however today and in the final they are all onsong.

Look at their fielding in the India game and their fielding today where everyone is a johnty rhodes on the field.

This aus team is the 2nd weakest ever but it shoes how strong aus truly is a champions team compared to someone like Pakistan. Their not mental midgets, they punch > their weight, they Peak at the right time and now that their in the semi finals, their the only team capable of taking down India and putting Indian fans in their place.
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Calm down. These are perfect pace bowling conditions, Australia has three experienced bowlers to take advantage of these conditions. These same bowlers got a rollicking throughout this World Cup, to the point that they are I believe ranked sixth or seventh in terms of pace bowling stats for the tournament.

South Africa choosing to bat first here has crippled them. The movement is quite exaggerated.
 
SA can only hope match gets rained off today and starts tomorrow under sun
 
South Africa could have avoided this catastrophe and Australia could have been on the receiving end if they had more faith in their chasing capabilities.

These are horrible batting conditions. The worst we have had in the World Cup so far. Australia wouldn’t have been much better off at this stage if they were batting against the South African pace attack.
 
Thought 83 would be the lowest score for SA in this world cup. That could be in jeopardy
 
Overcast conditions helping Aussies alot. Not taking away from Aussie bowlers. This thread is about Aus vs SA. Bringing another champion bowler from another teams shows you are just hating and finding reasons to hate.
 
Mamoon said:
South Africa could have avoided this catastrophe and Australia could have been on the receiving end if they had more faith in their chasing capabilities.

These are horrible batting conditions. The worst we have had in the World Cup so far. Australia wouldn’t have been much better off at this stage if they were batting against the South African pace attack.
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There is no basis to have faith. Instead you have an undeserving captain that publicly announced his team doesn't have a template to chase.
 
Mamoon said:
South Africa could have avoided this catastrophe and Australia could have been on the receiving end if they had more faith in their chasing capabilities.

These are horrible batting conditions. The worst we have had in the World Cup so far. Australia wouldn’t have been much better off at this stage if they were batting against the South African pace attack.
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I don't think that is the problem. They struggled even in bilaterals whenever they had even slight movement. Their game is suitable only for flat pitches. Not for turning tracks. Not for swinging conditions.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Calm down. These are perfect pace bowling conditions, Australia has three experienced bowlers to take advantage of these conditions. These same bowlers got a rollicking throughout this World Cup, to the point that they are I believe ranked sixth or seventh in terms of pace bowling stats for the tournament.

South Africa choosing to bat first here has crippled them. The movement is quite exaggerated.
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Exactly some of the new posters on here really baffle me. Just gives me an impression they started watching cricket recently. Aussie bowlers were thrashed this entire tournament. But have to agree Aussies are clutch in these situations.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Calm down. These are perfect pace bowling conditions, Australia has three experienced bowlers to take advantage of these conditions. These same bowlers got a rollicking throughout this World Cup, to the point that they are I believe ranked sixth or seventh in terms of pace bowling stats for the tournament.

South Africa choosing to bat first here has crippled them. The movement is quite exaggerated.
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I am calm, what makes you think I'm screaming?

Ik aussie team, and ik cricket.

I'm the only person who predicted the semi finalists of aus, India, Sa and NZ accurately.

I'm the only person who predicted aus losing games on the dot but coming back.

And people need to stop hiding behind the pitch this pitch that excuse. It's a poor excuse to justify or undermine a team's capabilities.

People did that for Pakistan throughout this tournament where Pakistan struggled to score big against afg but magically on the same pitch now things are easier and had pak batted 2nd they'd beat afg?

Reality is afg outplayed us just how aus is putplaying sa with their fielding and nigh perfect line and length today.
 
It's so dangerous to come into games with a predetermined mindset. It looks gloomy out there and the ball has been zipping about all day
 
Moment t hey lost the wickets upfront they should have recalibrated the target and focused on playing normally. QDK out of frustration lofted a difficult ball and got out. Markram chased a wide one. Both gifted.
 
soso_killer said:
It's so dangerous to come into games with a predetermined mindset. It looks gloomy out there and the ball has been zipping about all day
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Australian seam bowling was all over the shop until this match lol Come semi final they are on the money
 
Nikhil_cric said:
You'll be facing this attack next month at Perth. If Saffers are getting mauled like this, better eat your vitamins and say your prayers for Imam against this attack at Perth ...
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Australia is a beautiful place to bat. Facing this attack in these Kolkata conditions is more challenging then facing them on an even paced Perth surface with the sun shining.

Pakistan has actually batted quite well in Australia over the last two tours. Well enough to at least avoid a whitewash.

The big worry is the bowling. That is what cost Pakistan in 2016 and 2019 and like to cost Pakistan this time around as well.
 
mominsaigol said:
Cummings in 2015 was better, so was Hazelwood.

You're forgetting how bad these guys were at the start and throughout the tournament however if you read my comments from a month ago I told everyone Australia is the only team capable of losing 3 games on the dot and dominating their next 7 games cause they know how to peak and win games.

Today's match everyone is on song and back to their 2015 way of bowling by having perfect line and length but their 2015 versions were doing it since ball 1, only having one collapse against NZ which even then NZ beat them in the group stage by only 1 wicket and barely managed to win.

Maxwell is superior, the rest are not better then their 2015 versions however today and in the final they are all onsong.

Look at their fielding in the India game and their fielding today where everyone is a johnty rhodes on the field.

This aus team is the 2nd weakest ever but it shoes how strong aus truly is a champions team compared to someone like Pakistan. Their not mental midgets, they punch > their weight, they Peak at the right time and now that their in the semi finals, their the only team capable of taking down India and putting Indian fans in their place.
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you are underestimating their skills now bro. They are mor skilled now given vast experience.
 
IndoorCricket said:
Exactly some of the new posters on here really baffle me. Just gives me an impression they started watching cricket recently. Aussie bowlers were thrashed this entire tournament. But have to agree Aussies are clutch in these situations.
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Maybe read my arguments before sticking to hiding behind High horses of I think they just started watching recently and are inexperienced because they don't agree with my viewpoints.

You didn't read and glossed over every word I said, the same pitch pitch excuse is a done to death argument that gets smacked everytime it's brought up.

Also stop the whole new and old poster drama, It has zero relevance to anything, bring up your viewpoints, and why you disagree and ill address them and if you're proven right I'll respect them.

But don't hide behind inexperience clause assumption kindly
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You are playing atrocious cricket. Conditions were not good for batting. but they hardly focused on rotating strike. 46 dot balls in first 10 overs.
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The ball was and is zipping about though. They didn't want to fiddle outside off stump plus the Aussies were cutting everything off denying those singles and boundaries.

My only issue is that we want to hit 6's to relieve pressure. We don't have a Jayawardene or a M. Clarke, guys that can keep the scoreboard ticking without playing high risk strokes
 
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