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ICC World Cup 2023: Pakistan v Australia | Match 18 | Bengaluru | 20 October | Pre-Match Discussion

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Fakhar is horribly out of form and is hardly able to middle a single ball. I’m not sure what has changed to bring him back in. We are unfortunately stuck with Imam at least for this World Cup and then Saim can maybe come in afterwards.

The only change to the lineup should be Usama in place of Shadab.
 
Lampard said:
Fakhar is horribly out of form and is hardly able to middle a single ball. I’m not sure what has changed to bring him back in. We are unfortunately stuck with Imam at least for this World Cup and then Saim can maybe come in afterwards.

The only change to the lineup should be Usama in place of Shadab.
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Fakhar doesn't play through the line even when his on form, he can get out at any time because he tries to slog balls outside off stump through the legside. Any half decent attack will get him caught with a short ball wide of off stump.

Imam can't play short bowling at all, he has repeatedly been exposed by short bowling. If i's a choice between those two then it's lose-lose.
 
We might as well bring Salman Agha to open...can't do any worse than Imam and Fakhar...plus gives us a spinning option provided we drop Shadab as well
 
Clueless against spin is a forte newly added to Pakistan' arsenal but inept against pace is what we are known since Darwin's theory better watch out the comical show against Starc Hazlewood and Cummins
Imam will be out on hook or pull, Babar caught behind AbShafiq lbw and Rizwan bowled
 
This will be one of the most watched matches. Since both countries are India's Rivals in cricket. Indian fans will hope both will lose.
 
shamaan said:
Fakhar
Abdullah
Babar
Rizwan
Saud
Iftikhar
Nawaz
Usama Mir
Shaheen
Hassan Ali
Rauf
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Agha for Ifti, not sure why Agha get so much criticism, he's done pretty well overall since coming into the team.
 
Only one change for me: Usama in for Shadab

Also, Pakistan need to change their approach to their batting (apologies for stating the obvious), need to go hard first up and look for 80/90 odd for the first 10. Even Afghanistan know that this approach is correct in the modern game ffs.

The reality is that if Babar and co claim themselves to be 'world class batsmen', it shouldn't take too much to make this change for them.
 
ahmed16 said:
Only one change for me: Usama in for Shadab

Also, Pakistan need to change their approach to their batting (apologies for stating the obvious), need to go hard first up and look for 80/90 odd for the first 10. Even Afghanistan know that this approach is correct in the modern game ffs.

The reality is that if Babar and co claim themselves to be 'world class batsmen', it shouldn't take too much to make this change for them.
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I think it makes the tail too long.

You can justify it if you also swap Nawaz for Agha Salman.

But having a tail which starts at 7 is too much of a detriment given the negligible improvement of Usama over Shadab.
 
No matter what is our team selection is, we are in a bind, Fakhar/Imam still MIA, Nawaz/Shahdab two passengers, Hasan Ali though been ok so far can implode anytime, the less said about Jr better it, there you have it, 5 players at least that are passengers and we can count even more and we took only 15 players, smh. In for a very long and bad WC, we can only hope we will learn from this debacle of a WC but who are we kidding, best scenario Babar loses his captaincy and that's about it, nothing more going to happen.
 
Pakistan dominated India well for good quarter of the game, when was the last time Pakistan was even 155-2?? can't even recall it against minnows in the recent past so it was just for the bad collapse that got them.

No point in weeping over it. Pakistan should stay positive and look ahead, long way to go in the tournament. Shadab and Imam must sit out, and bring Usman and Fakhar in.

Pakistani fans panicking too much when it's not needed. Yes there are obvious concerns but that's shouldn't let you write off the team. Australia will be very tough to beat but Pakistan will be equally hungry to get back on track.
 
Drop Shadab for Mir, Nawaz for Agha and Imam for Fakhar.


Agha can't bowl worse than Nawaz/Shadab and we know Mir is going to be an upgrade over both.


Also I'd justify Fakhar's selection that in the PP 25(20) is more valuable than the 25(40) that Imam is going to manage.



But who am I kidding Imam and Nawaz are Captain dosti yaari's u19 buddies and Shadab is also one of his best friends (plus Saqlain's son in law). Hell might freeze over before dosti yaari drops his friends.
 
Syed1 said:
Drop Shadab for Mir, Nawaz for Agha and Imam for Fakhar.


Agha can't bowl worse than Nawaz/Shadab and we know Mir is going to be an upgrade over both.


Also I'd justify Fakhar's selection that in the PP 25(20) is more valuable than the 25(40) that Imam is going to manage.
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Dare to be bold I say
 
This is great about this WC format, you lose one/two games you still have hope but you lose to a team you are supposed to beat and it changes a lot of things, I don't think anyone foresaw NZ being such a dominant force, and now if Afg beats England, it makes all the England game very interesting, Aus/Eng, Eng/Pak, Eng/SL and then based on results for those games implications for other teams involved as well.
 
Watching bowlers like Rashid Khan and Mujeeb put England in a spin.

You can't compete in these conditions without a decent spin attack

At the moment, the pak spin attack is the worst in the competition which is why I can't see them beating any of the better teams.

Embarrassing that teams like Bangladesh and Afghanistan have a better spin attack than pak
 
Syed1 said:
Drop Shadab for Mir, Nawaz for Agha and Imam for Fakhar.


Agha can't bowl worse than Nawaz/Shadab and we know Mir is going to be an upgrade over both.


Also I'd justify Fakhar's selection that in the PP 25(20) is more valuable than the 25(40) that Imam is going to manage.



But who am I kidding Imam and Nawaz are Captain dosti yaari's u19 buddies and Shadab is also one of his best friends (plus Saqlain's son in law). Hell might freeze over before dosti yaari drops his friends.
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Problem is Fakhar is not giving us 25 off 20 any more, even against Dutch he was 12 off 15, everyone is shell shocked and not coming out of their shell.
 
Induction of Usama Mir and Abrar in place of Shadab and Nawaz will bolster the spin bowling options. It will reduce the pressure on Shaheen, Hassan Ali and Rauf.
 
Savak said:
Induction of Usama Mir and Abrar in place of Shadab and Nawaz will bolster the spin bowling options. It will reduce the pressure on Shaheen, Hassan Ali and Rauf.
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Both unproven at this stage. Shadab 100% needs to be replaced but there is no guarantee Mir will work out
 
castortroy said:
Both unproven at this stage. Shadab 100% needs to be replaced but there is no guarantee Mir will work out
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Mir bowled well in the warm up games. Atleast he won't bowl full tosses and cut me balls. Abrar will be a novel option which can help out the team as well. Atm Shadab and Nawaz are totally toothless in these conditions
 
Savak said:
Mir bowled well in the warm up games. Atleast he won't bowl full tosses and cut me balls. Abrar will be a novel option which can help out the team as well. Atm Shadab and Nawaz are totally toothless in these conditions
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No other team in the world would continue with Shadab bowling how he is for this long.

His bowling has been disgraceful for an international level spinner
 
We will do what we do best, bring Aussies into the top form by playing like timid little under 15 team.

All out of form Aussie players will gain their form and give Baba 11 another thrashing!
 
Make or break game now

Although I was a fan of Shadab he is not cutting it. Usama must come in

50/50 on Imam and Fakhar. Yes Fakhar had that X factor however I think that is long gone but who knows?

Imam was playing well vs India and if he plays with that mindset I'll take him over Fakhar, question is will he?
 
castortroy said:
No other team in the world would continue with Shadab bowling how he is for this long.

His bowling has been disgraceful for an international level spinner
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Babar don’t agree, just like he kept on playing Hasan Ali in 2019 WC. Shadab will also play all games.
 
Aussies could have a tough time of it since afg have been emboldened today
A possible window of opportunity for us
 
Kianig89 said:
Clueless against spin is a forte newly added to Pakistan' arsenal but inept against pace is what we are known since Darwin's theory better watch out the comical show against Starc Hazlewood and Cummins
Imam will be out on hook or pull, Babar caught behind AbShafiq lbw and Rizwan bowled
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Australia will have their first win of the CWC coming Friday.. India has kick started Pakistans run of loses against the top teams...

Pak stand no chance against the top tier teams as they have brought their A side to the CWC , unfortunately no C and D teams to flex their muscles.. :p
 
Kriketer said:
Pakistan dominated India well for good quarter of the game, when was the last time Pakistan was even 155-2?? can't even recall it against minnows in the recent past so it was just for the bad collapse that got them.

No point in weeping over it. Pakistan should stay positive and look ahead, long way to go in the tournament. Shadab and Imam must sit out, and bring Usman and Fakhar in.

Pakistani fans panicking too much when it's not needed. Yes there are obvious concerns but that's shouldn't let you write off the team. Australia will be very tough to beat but Pakistan will be equally hungry to get back on track.
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Pakistan dominated on a flat track with a run rate of 5.12?
 
NeVerMind said:
We might as well bring Salman Agha to open...can't do any worse than Imam and Fakhar...plus gives us a spinning option provided we drop Shadab as well
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Not a bad idea at all but I doubt if team management will take this kind of risk. I remember in 2007 T20 WC final when Sehwag got injured Yusuf Pathan opened the innings with Gambhir. Both Fakhar & Imam are useless currently, it would be better if either Agha or Rizwan opens with Abdullah
 
Sherazkhalid said:
Problem is Fakhar is not giving us 25 off 20 any more, even against Dutch he was 12 off 15, everyone is shell shocked and not coming out of their shell.
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So the Number 1 team got shell shocked amidst all the chest thumping after one loss agains India in Asia Cuo and carried on the scars in the World Cup opener?

We all know now that what happened next in Ahmedabad.
 
Rana said:
Pakistan dominated on a flat track with a run rate of 5.12?
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Unless you have recently started following cricket a score of 150 for 2 with many wickets and overs remaining tends to be a pretty good score against the likes of Bumrah and in form Siraj. Flat track? You think that matters to Pakistan as they collapsed on the same pitch, so pitch is barely ever a concern for Pakistan
 
Kriketer said:
Unless you have recently started following cricket a score of 150 for 2 with many wickets and overs remaining tends to be a pretty good score against the likes of Bumrah and in form Siraj. Flat track? You think that matters to Pakistan as they collapsed on the same pitch, so pitch is barely ever a concern for Pakistan
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No I think it’s you who recently started following cricket.

Maybe in 2006 a run rate of 5.12 until the 30th over on a track that offers hardly anything would be considered ‘dominating’

Welcome to 2023
 
I'd consider dropping Shadab for Usama Mir but it's a hard call.
Bowling looks weaker than the batting so bringing in Usama Mir might makes sense.
Truth is we don't have ideal replacements to counter our weaknesses.
 
Atm the only way we can win is somebody to play a blinder or bowl a bamboozled spell like Babar scoring a daddy hundred 147(132) and Pakistan Managing 300+ or Hassan Ali to get a 5/44
 
Strengthen your batting at least and go hard from the beginning. Remove both fake all rounders shadab and Nawaz and bring in Usama and Agha. On current form Agha is a better bowler than Shadad

Fakhar
Abdullah
Babar
Riz
Saud
Agha
Chacha
Mir
Hasan
Shaheen
Rauf
 
Does Nawaz bowl better than Iftikhar or even Agha. I do not think so. So why Pakistan cannot play Agha in his place to strengthen the batting. Shadab has to be replaced by Usama, and hoping Usama can show more control for sure he will have more spin and variation than Shadab.

Aligned, both Agha and Usama could play as specialists in place of fake allrounders.
Ifti and Agha can share 10 with Saud to provide cover.
Looking at Afg template vs Eng playing both Mujeeb and Rashid, Pak should consider bringing in Abrar in place of either Hassan or Rauf, and attack with spinners instead.

Fakhar /Imam
Abdullah
Babar
Rizwan
Saud
Agha
Ifti
Usama
Hassan / Rauf
Shaheen
Abrar
 
Will be interesting to see if Pakistan opt to go for 2 spinners or 4 pacers in this game. Going to be a tough call either way.

Either way, bringing in Usama Mir for Shadab has to be on the table at this point. Shadab unfortunately is just not a credible threat with his bowling right now and Pakistan badly need wicket takers with Shaheen/Rauf having struggles of their own.
 
The pitch in Bangalore is a proper batting track. With its smaller grounds, we can witness high-scoring match and lively atmosphere.
 
Always surprised how Chacha keeps getting a free pass, considering he's never won a match for us (and scored less than the likes of Imam yesterday)...his fans just happy that he smashed the likes of Steve Smith and David Warner in a warm-up but they won't be bowling, come this Friday. Not even a poor man's Malik or Hafeez, let alone Shahid Afridi...
 
NeVerMind said:
Always surprised how Chacha keeps getting a free pass, considering he's never won a match for us (and scored less than the likes of Imam yesterday)...his fans just happy that he smashed the likes of Steve Smith and David Warner in a warm-up but they won't be bowling, come this Friday. Not even a poor man's Malik or Hafeez, let alone Shahid Afridi...
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Agreed. Forget about winning matches, Iftikhar has lost many matches by wasting deliveries and throwing his wicket at crucial times. His fans gets excited after seeing some of his sixes on part time spinners. I don't know what is his role now as he never finishes any match
 
NeVerMind said:
Always surprised how Chacha keeps getting a free pass, considering he's never won a match for us (and scored less than the likes of Imam yesterday)...his fans just happy that he smashed the likes of Steve Smith and David Warner in a warm-up but they won't be bowling, come this Friday. Not even a poor man's Malik or Hafeez, let alone Shahid Afridi...
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Well said. Yesterday his dismissal was what really put the cat amongst the pigeons. What was the need for the crazy slog sweep when already had gotten a boundary off the over against India's best bowler. Just play out the last bowl :facepalm:

Brainless batting.
 
With this squad, I'm struggling to think of the best 11.

I would say at the moment, the following:

1. Abdullah
2. Imam
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Saud
6. Agha
7. Iftikhar
8. Usama
9. Wasim/Hasan
10. Shaheen
11. Rauf

I think both Nawaz and Shadab have been impactless. And rather quite poor. dump them both i say.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Playing XI:

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Abdullah Shafique
3) Babar Azam (C)
4) Mohammed Rizwan (Wk)
5) Saud Shakeel
6) Agha Salman
7) Iftikhar Ahmed
8) Usama Mir
9) Hasan Ali
10) Shaheen Afridi
11) Haris Rauf
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Why should Rizwan come before Saud Shakeel? Imam should play.
 
If somehow,
Mir replace shadab
Abrar replace nawaz
Our chances will increased by atleast 30%.
We don't have full time spinner i mean not a single one.
 
hitthestump said:
I think it makes the tail too long.

You can justify it if you also swap Nawaz for Agha Salman.

But having a tail which starts at 7 is too much of a detriment given the negligible improvement of Usama over Shadab.
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Don't India also have a tail starting at 7 though for the sake of having proper bowlers instead of these bits & pieces players?
 
hitthestump said:
I think it makes the tail too long.

You can justify it if you also swap Nawaz for Agha Salman.

But having a tail which starts at 7 is too much of a detriment given the negligible improvement of Usama over Shadab.
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Are you saying Shadab was adding any useful runs?
 
I would definitely drop Shadab khan and Nawaz , they should only play T20i's
and replace them with Agha salman and Usama Mir.

Team XI :

Abdullah Shafiq
Imam ul Haq / Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Saud Shakeel
Iftikhar Ahmed
Agha Salman
Usama Mir
Hasan Ali
Haris Rauf
Shaheen Afridi
 
Pakistan needs to get both Abrar and Usama in the team. Having two aggressive wicket taking spinners in the middle overs will make a big difference and reduce the pressure on Shaheen, Hassan Ali and Haris Rauf.
 
Savak said:
Pakistan needs to get both Abrar and Usama in the team. Having two aggressive wicket taking spinners in the middle overs will make a big difference and reduce the pressure on Shaheen, Hassan Ali and Haris Rauf.
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our great cricketing minds has put Abrar in reserves and we can only wait for someone to get injured
 
zains_rulez said:
our great cricketing minds has put Abrar in reserves and we can only wait for someone to get injured
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Time for the PCB to tell the ICC technical committee that both Shadab and Nawaz are injured. Shadab has been complaining about his knee in any case
 
hitthestump said:
I think it makes the tail too long.

You can justify it if you also swap Nawaz for Agha Salman.

But having a tail which starts at 7 is too much of a detriment given the negligible improvement of Usama over Shadab.
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Shadab and Usama are both tailenders.
 
PakFan2010 said:
Last match was a freak game, when you are 155/2 after 30 overs, 9/10 you will end up scoring 300+

Pakistan will put it right in this match. I can see a comprehensive win.
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Freak games are our specialty. Chasing 345 with relative ease to fumbling a 155/2 platform with relative ease.
 
I would swap out Shadab Khan for Usama Mir.

I would like to see Shaheen Afridi bowling more on the top of off stump rather than searching for swing so early. Same with Hasan Ali. Both need to bowl tight in the powerplay.

I would also rather see one of Iftikhar or Nawaz being employed in the powerplay or towards the end, so that Haris and Hasan can bowl in the middle overs at some stage.
 
Kianig89 said:
Atm the only way we can win is somebody to play a blinder or bowl a bamboozled spell like Babar scoring a daddy hundred 147(132) and Pakistan Managing 300+ or Hassan Ali to get a 5/44
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Hell will freeze before he does something remotely close to that against an attack of Starc, Hazelwood & Cummins. Now it could have been a possibility if Abbot, Ellis & Behendroff were leading the charge.....
 
I am confused as to seeing so many appeals of getting Abrar & Haris in! Are they not aware of the rules?
 
Zerotohero said:
This will be one of the most watched matches. Since both countries are India's Rivals in cricket. Indian fans will hope both will lose.
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Lol no. It is Maxwell's home ground in IPL and Starc's previous home ground. Warner has huge following in India. Hazelwood is huge with CSK, Green was one of the highest paid IPL stars. Belive me Australians have huge following in India. They are admired and heroes for a lot of them. Pakistanis are not going to get support at Australia's expense.
 
VForVendetta said:
Hell will freeze before he does something remotely close to that against an attack of Starc, Hazelwood & Cummins. Now it could have been a possibility if Abbot, Ellis & Behendroff were leading the charge.....
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He can get a big score in BLR. It's great for batting
 
FearlessRoar said:
Pakistan squad arrive in Bengaluru ahead of their next game against Australia.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1713522683617358246
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Welcome to my backyard, boys. :inzi2 The weather's salubrious, the traffic is unbearable at times, the coffee and beer are great but the pitch you ain't gonna like :sree

Couple of mouth-watering contests against OZ and NZ. The 900 m altitude and the true nature of the surface could favour the Chapmans and the Warners. PAK bowling better be axcellent :wy
 
SportsWarrior said:
Lol no. It is Maxwell's home ground in IPL and Starc's previous home ground. Warner has huge following in India. Hazelwood is huge with CSK, Green was one of the highest paid IPL stars. Belive me Australians have huge following in India. They are admired and heroes for a lot of them. Pakistanis are not going to get support at Australia's expense.
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This is Maxieland. There will be huge roar for him.
 
SportsWarrior said:
He can get a big score in BLR. It's great for batting
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I can guarantee you he won't, just can't. It doesn't matter if BLR is the greatest barring paradise in the whole universe (which it is). He neither has the skills nor the sheer guts to take on those gigantic Aussie fast bowlers. Specially, HW will probably make him dance. He could have potentially taken on Zampa as that guy is bowling as bad as Shadab, but when you look at his own horrendous struggle against spin since last Asia cup t20 there's isn't much room for hope. Now he may do something similar like last match or a 70(83) or 105(120). The issue is, you obviously realize those kind of scores will ironically assist the opposition more.
 
Has Australian seen Usama Mir before? If not play him. Aussies will take a while before adjusting against him. Before that his spell will be over. Shadab is an over exposed bowler due to league cricket and T20 cricket.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Has Australian seen Usama Mir before? If not play him. Aussies will take a while before adjusting against him. Before that his spell will be over. Shadab is an over exposed bowler due to league cricket and T20 cricket.
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Thay have played Usama in warm up game.

He took initial 2 wickets of Warner and Marsh.
 
I think Micky Arthur was quite angry at Rizwan and Babar for their approach to India's spinners. They basically let the spinners dominate them.

Surprising how such high ranked batsmen seem like tail enders against spin.
 
Why do people keep asking for Fakhar's inclusion? He has been just awful and people want him back? What is this imaginary 25 off 20 or whatever they think he will do? He can't do that, get real. His scores have been at low strike rates. Low scores and low strike rates.
 
I know it’s wrong to say this but hoping for an injury to one of shadab agha wasim or nawaz so that he can be replaced by abrar
 
If shadab has any niggle, call him injured and replace with Abrar. If Nawaz has any niggle, call him injured and get Imad Wasim in.
Since neither is unlikely at the moment I would just go with same lineup and replace shadab with Usama. Second think play Saud at 4 and Rizwan 5.
 
The Aussies are not known to take defeats lightly. The previous 2 defeats in this WC, and the defeat against SA in the ODI series prior to that will have it's recuperations soon.
 
As Nasser Hussain advised Eng, pick your 5 best bowlers regardless of their batting ability
Usama Mir, Haris Rauf, Hasan Ali, Shaheen Afridi, Mohammad Wasim. Shadab, Nawaz

Pick the best 5 to play from No.7 to No.11
 
rickroll said:
Don't India also have a tail starting at 7 though for the sake of having proper bowlers instead of these bits & pieces players?
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Savak said:
Time for the PCB to tell the ICC technical committee that both Shadab and Nawaz are injured. Shadab has been complaining about his knee in any case
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It’s not uncommon in Pakistan to get a medical certificate made even if there is no complaint
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Following the humiliating defeat against India, what changes should Pakistan make for their forthcoming match against Australia in ICC World Cup 2023?
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Does Pakistan have the time to experiment here?

Australia are looking bad but can easily bounce back but Pakistan need to find a six hitting combo at the top of the order. People keep talking about "outside the box" thinking, so here it is:

Ifty
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Shafique
Agha is supposed to be a good hitter
Nawaz
Mir
Hasan
Shaheen
Rauf
Abrar Ahmed

Go for broke against Australia, a loss here would still give Pakistan enough time to recover but lets try and get some top order power in.
 
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