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ICC World Cup 2023: South Africa (357/4) seals dominant victory over New Zealand (167) by 190 runs

batandballbattle said:
Just madness form NZ to insert them really, going to need a huge effort here

ooh and VDD gone, 350 could be in jeopardy
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They seemed like mentally prepared for 330 chase. They knew they don't have bowling to contain these guys. I am not sure under lights this NZ attack can defend anything even against SA.
 
Ben stokes hit 10 sixes in that match. One that Marc nicholas referring to scored 99 in 52 balls
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They seemed like mentally prepared for 330 chase. They knew they don't have bowling to contain these guys. I am not sure under lights this NZ attack can defend anything even against SA.
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SA have proved fragile in a chase
They have the batting to put 300+ up first and test them out
 
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batandballbattle said:
SA have proved fragile in a chase
They have the batting to put 300+ up first and test them out
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But you need gun bowling unit on flat wickets. Chennai wicket is not a flat wicket. It offers reverse all kind of things. But Pune will become a belter under lights.
 
this pitch is not very flat, otherwise south africa would've for sure neared 400 with so many wickets remaining
 
SAF ahead now, but I don’t think kiwis NRR will suffer significantly. In fact I don’t think PAK will win both games against Kiwis & Poms. So both teams are safe here
 
MMHS said:
SAF ahead now, but I don’t think kiwis NRR will suffer significantly. In fact I don’t think PAK will win both games against Kiwis & Poms. So both teams are safe here
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Let's see.

Hope Jansen and Rabada destroy NZ here
 
jnaveen1980 said:
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But you need gun bowling unit on flat wickets. Chennai wicket is not a flat wicket. It offers reverse all kind of things. But Pune will become a belter under lights.
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even so scoreboard pressure counts for a lot and in the 1st innings pitch is flat too, just back yourself and post a total tbh
 
batandballbattle said:
even so scoreboard pressure counts for a lot and in the 1st innings pitch is flat too, just back yourself and post a total tbh
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If they are prepard for 330 then scoreboard pressure can be managed. Also under lights you get easier batting conditions. Ball nicely slides on with one side short boundary.
 
MMHS said:
SAF ahead now, but I don’t think kiwis NRR will suffer significantly. In fact I don’t think PAK will win both games against Kiwis & Poms. So both teams are safe here
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I agree but

There is more chance of Pakistan beating both NZ and Eng than NZ losing to SL. So NZ is safe

NRR difference is huge, won't matter a lot.
 
SAFers hitting power is insane- I thought they’ll add only around 200 in last 20 overs!!! And that’s after a very sedate innings from Kock!!!!
 
If Pakistan somehow qualified to the semis, would've been slaughtered by these teams playing their A game....... simply on a different level all together.

Hopefully win a couple more games and make a quiet exit from the tournament.
 
This world cup has such poor pitches that 357 is considered a competitive chase, if not NZ being faves.
 
357 is only slightly above par on this ground. NZ still in the game to be honest.
 
Only SA can bat like this. They can afford to go at 3rd gear till 40th over and explode. Other teams can't do that. They just don't have forec like this.
 
Seriously why bavuma in the team he's the weakest link reeza should be in the team
 
Thephenom said:
Why put them into bat who knows but one one stage it looked like 380/390!
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NZ generally reads situations better. They analyze ground history, dimensions, pitch conditions before making a call. They probably felt defending here is even harder. You don't take decision based on the belief "SA chokes while chasing"> That is applicable only for fans. Actual teams will not use those external factors to make their decisions
 
What is this case with Temba Bavuma, as opener in this team and that too captaincy? Severe case of reservations! Looks like totally out of place in this world cup so far! I guess he is replaceable in this South African lineup! And how did he get those records (5 hundreds in ODIs... If he can't score in these pitches...?
 
A very poor decision by nz to put sa in. There's always pressure chasing in a WC. And no matter what the pitch 350 is tough to chase. But as winning makes WC more interesting. Very few teams have chased high scores this WC and that's because of the WC pressure. Easier in bilateral but WC is different. SA beating nz comfortably here
 
It's within the reach of NZ as batting is better under lights. Does NZ have what it takes to chase 350+ in consecutive games?
 
Kianig89 said:
for the sake of WC its G SA wins this
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It works both ways - in fact, if SAF looses, then they are in bigger trouble. NZ had games against PAK & SRL - no way they’ll loose both. SAF has games against Ind & AFG - they have higher chances to loose both.
 
deltexas said:
A very poor decision by nz to put sa in. There's always pressure chasing in a WC. And no matter what the pitch 350 is tough to chase. But as winning makes WC more interesting. Very few teams have chased high scores this WC and that's because of the WC pressure. Easier in bilateral but WC is different. SA beating nz comfortably here
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Chasing 350 even in bilateral is tough. Only 9 times it has been achieved in ODI history.
 
MMHS said:
It works both ways - in fact, if SAF looses, then they are in bigger trouble. NZ had games against PAK & SRL - no way they’ll loose both. SAF has games against Ind & AFG - they have higher chances to loose both.
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Why will they be in trouble? They already have 10 points.
 
Marooned said:
Pakistan would have made 250-270 here batting 1st.
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That depends on how long Fakhar stays - with Imam, Abdullah & Babar at 1-3, yes 300 could be maximum against major teams.
 
First PP would set the course. Jansen will be a threat under lights. If New Zealand is able to get a good start, they will win it easily. No Shamsi in the middle overs to bring some different threat.
But South Africa will come hard early and can close the game early on. New Zealand might plan to go deep to save their NRR.
 
NZ expected to lose some games. One against India which they fought well. One against Australia which also they fought well> Now SA which is also something they were exepcted to lose. But they will win one of the remaining 2 for sure.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Why will they be in trouble? They already have 10 points.
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So will be Kiwis if they win today. If SAF looses both of remaining games after this one, still they’ll be on 10 points and their NRR will get a dent from these three losses.

Theoretically, then both PAK & SAF will be on 10 with NRR decides the tie breaker.
 
It will be a close game.

I don't think we should be worried about either side winning with whatever margin because Pakistan is well and truely dusted in this tournament.
 
MMHS said:
So will be Kiwis if they win today. If SAF looses both of remaining games after this one, still they’ll be on 10 points and their NRR will get a dent from these three losses.

Theoretically, then both PAK & SAF will be on 10 with NRR decides the tie breaker.
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No SA's NRR is far and away from Pakistan's NRR.
 
NZ gambled big time by going in with batting strong with light weight bowling unit. That is a huge gamble in world cups. You would rather want to go in with atleast 4 gun bowlers.
 
If DJs got any sense of humour, he would be playing Dil Dil when NZ come out batting
 
jnaveen1980 said:
No SA's NRR is far and away from Pakistan's NRR.
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Very difficult to get past SA on NRR. Only way is thru points. This match will be close. NZ is very methodical and strategic in its approach. They will target to get to 300 and see where they are. If still four or more overs remaining they will go for it. There won’t be any panic batting in the beginning to win it in 45 overs. It will be normal batting mixed with a dose of aggression
 
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