Imad Wasim ends retirement, set to play T20Is for Pakistan leading up to ICC T20I World Cup 2024 [Post Updated #116]

[mominsaigol]

The reason why he is getting a go ahead is because we dont have powerplay bowlers, especially spinners. All our spinners are defensive spinners. You are right about him getting wickets but once Pakistan gets a proper spinner unleashed, Imad will slowly be out again.

But i think if someone like Salman Agha and Iftikhar start being trust with the ball more, they can also provide the same value.

I am not sold on to Imad being in the World T20 squad yet. Yes, for the next 2-3 t20 series, his selection is warranted and if he performs in international now, only than bring him for the world T20.

How on earth is salman agha's selection warranted over imad's? Or chacha's for that matter?

 

[PakWC'11Champs]

Yeah I don't take this stuff personal. He has a limited window to earn, he needs to maximize it. If he is the best option now, whatever he chose in the past is irrelevant.


With Imad, Ifti, Shadab and Azam, we have a few more options in the middle order. We have to build a reliable middle order that can up the run rate. Rizwan, Babar, Saim, Fakhar all are top 3 guys, none of them want to play other roles.

 

[RehanG]

PCB should accept his retirement back and not select him.. .

It's just a mediocre player who got lucky with those performances in PSL.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes let's also make him the PM of Pakistan we will be the most successful country in world just with this announcement alone. Imad fans have completely lost it. Babar and rizwan with 1 hand and leg will comfortably outperform Imad.

Tbf he'd ironically be superior to Imran Khan as PM. IK literally thinks running a country is the equivalent to running a hospital. Imad studied medicine, he knows full well that ain't true.

 

[mominsaigol]

PCB should accept his retirement back and not select him.. .

It's just a mediocre player who got lucky with those performances in PSL.

How do you get lucky 3x in a row?

 

[PakEngFan]

Tbf he'd ironically be superior to Imran Khan as PM. IK literally thinks running a country is the equivalent to running a hospital. Imad studied medicine, he knows full well that ain't true.

Pakistan current PM is Imran Khan? Seems like it's not just cricket that you don't have a clue about.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan current PM is Imran Khan? Seems like it's not just cricket that you don't have a clue about.

Ik its shebaz sharif lol.

I never said imad should run for PM, you said that, I said that if hypothetically he did, he'd still be superior to Imran Khan at the very least.

 

[PakEngFan]

Ik its shebaz sharif lol.

I never said imad should run for PM, you said that, I said that if hypothetically he did, he'd still be superior to Imran Khan at the very least.

I think Imad and his family don't think as highly of him as a few of his fans do.

 

[mominsaigol]

I think Imad and his family don't think as highly of him as a few of his fans do.

I don't think highly of anyone. I just want the best for our country, the options are between rizwan as captain and having full control via saya, or Imad as captain and having full control.

I'd rather give captaincy to the UK medicine Man.

 

[IMMY69]

So much unnecessary drama

 

[Rana]

So much unnecessary drama

He wasn’t begging to come back. It was the PCB and Shaheen who begged him to return

 

[IMMY69]

He wasn’t begging to come back. It was the PCB and Shaheen who begged him to return

I have no gripe with Imad.
He should be in the side...

It's the throughly unprofessional behaviour of the Board / Team Management.

Groupings should never exist in the first place if we had a proper system...
All we do is rinse and repeat, paper over the cracks and hope for the best. It's tiring

 

[Major]

That's not true, Shadab, Nawaz and as much as I hate to admit it, even fakhar deserve a boot. They didn't perform for an entire year, their performance was so bad that It was an entire meme.

You're clearly singling imad out, bcci doesn't operate this way, their literally rumors of them leaving kohli out due to sr concerns, they also had no issue completly removing their so called consistent players and taking a brand new overhauled team in 2013 CT where they pretty much replaced half the team and gave rohit the opening position.

kick everyone out who doesn't perform in that series, no golden boy treatments.

Performers get treatment. If a person has performed in 5 series and didnt perform in 2 you dont boot them out. Hence, the likes of babar, rizwan, fakhar are same cause they perform regularly so if they do bad for one or two series they will get leverage.

If you start dropping performers after a series than there will be no stability in the team.

Comeback players dont get leverage, because they were bad when they were dropped so to make a comeback they need to show their performance very quickly.
Like how rizwan did when he got that NZ series.

You seem to want imad still he selected for the world t20 irrespect ot his performance at international level, because even you dont have any confidence in his abilities.


He will get 2-3 series before the world t20, lets see what he does. If he cant perform, might aswell take a second retirement because he wont be selected for the world t20 with 0 performance during t20 series

 

[Major]

Imad wasim and shakil sheikh have good family terms. Basically when Shakil was running the show in Islamabad he was the biggest backer of Babar Azam and Imad Wasim. Infact Shakil was backing Imad since his u19 days

 

[Hawkeye]

Against popular belief I don't think he batted well in last two matches (the ones I watched), they won those games bcs of power hitting of Haider Ali (E2) and Naseem Shah (final) (really!).. and he's not a power hitter at all.. he's more relying at placing the ball in gaps, and most often that'll be useless when power hitting need.. despite facing 98 deliveries he only hit 1 six in this psl..

He’s not a hitter at all.

If he plays, we’re doomed. He’s as bad as Nawaz and Anwar Ali when it come to hitting/batting.

And his darting when it comes to bowling only troubles C class batters.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

How on earth is salman agha's selection warranted over imad's? Or chacha's for that matter?

I am very confused. Is Salman Agha a batsman who can bowl spin or a specialist spinner who can also bat decently? Pak management hypes him a lot but he seems like a bits n pieces player like Shivam Dube

 

[RKhan_Cricket]

In other words, he effectively revoked his retirement and made his demands known. As a result, even PCB knows he will be exposed in the Wt20 Cup and he will be thrown out of the team before that demand even gets fulfilled in real time.
PCB W.
It reminded me of one song.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes let's also make him the PM of Pakistan we will be the most successful country in world just with this announcement alone. Imad fans have completely lost it. Babar and rizwan with 1 hand and leg will comfortably outperform Imad.

Well Babar and Rizwan are comortably among the top rank of Pakistan players anyway so not really saying much. If you are talking about captaincy then Pakistan doesn't really have any outstanding candidates so should not really matter. Just pick the best players first then make the most suitable one captain and don't let them have too much say on team selection.

 

[Smbhayi]

Imad Wasim has made himself available for Pakistan ahead of this year's T20 World Cup.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771500446462685354

Would be hilarious f pcb don't select him for wt20..

 

[Theo_14]

Imad Wasim is a top bloke. I know him from his Swansea days and know his wife very well who lived local to us before relocating after marriage.

Never has he uttered a bad thing, played the victim card when he was completely u fairly disregarded few years back, he has spoken and only spoken based on facts. He and his family deserve the acknowledgment they are getting now because they have received a lot of rubbish from certain sections of the fans.

Imad is at his peak right now - he has hit new levels with his game and has added composure and finishing to his all round approach to games. A great call for both parties and Imad truly deserves it. Pakistan should have done this a year or so sooner but it is what it is.

 

[Varun]

Pakistan is exhibiting West Indies like symptoms with the board coaxing players to play for the national team from time to time.

Once a player has retired, or fixed matches or the like, that should be the end of his journey in country colours no matter what.

 

[msb314]

This will end in tears come July and I’ll make sure to bump this thread when the time comes

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Why Pak fans are always obsessed with players who are out of team?. I remember everyone on this forum wanted Imad to be dropped from team 2 years ago. His stats in international cricket are nothing to talk about. Even in PSL, he was below average apart last 3 matches.

 

[Mamoon]

The truth is I am a fan of Pakistan team.

You werent a fan of your team for decades but suddenly started gushing over Babar over last few months.

But I will ignore that.

I will tell you a better secret.

You can kick Babar and Rizwan out of the team and Pakistan has still the same chance of winning the World T20.

You kick Fakhar, Imad, Shaheen or Amir out of the team and Pakistan wont win the World Cup even if Babar and Rizwan average a 50 every match.

Thats how useless your hero Babar is.

Agree with Fakhar and Shaheen, they are top players, but Amir is washed up and Imad is a nothing player. I would agree on prime Amir, not the corpse that is playing today.

The glorification and exaggeration of Imad’s mediocre bits and pieces skills is becoming hysterical now. His fans sound drugged.

 

[RKhan_Cricket]

This will end in tears come July and I’ll make sure to bump this thread when the time comes

I second that.

 

[LegendAli]

Does he deserve to be in the team? 500%
Will he improve the team? 500%


However this entire episode is hilarious. The board begging this guy, running after him as if we're chasing prime Gary Sobers has been an embarrassment. Shows how far the talent has fallen in Pakistan. He's not even as good Razzaq and I'd cringed if the board chase Razzaq like this, despite Razzaq having some ATG innings.

Why stop at only 500% though? You should keep going, clearly the sky's the limit for you.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I agree I never saw imad prioritise leagues before. I think it’s just he got upset that he was dropped despite performing. That hurts. What’s more when lower performances from your competitors are tolerated instead that hurts even more. There was no question of his allegiance to international duty when he was a regular.

It’s a sad situation. I think some selector/ person in management made a wrong call and predicted imad would fail in the future. They were wrong. I dunno why this keeps happening. Fawad, Taufeeq umar, and now imad all dropped because we predicted they’d fail in the future rather than waiting for them to fail. All pretty much proved that wrong with successful comebacks.

People also just don’t respect these type of cricketers which bowl economically and hit some runs down the order. I don’t understand why honestly, these guys often have the biggest impact in matches. Imad has always been a super consistent player, he always produces something to the match, whether it’s bat, wickets or keeping down runs. Stats support this.

I think Mohammad Waseem even said that we are going with Nawaz instead of Imad. And Nawaz I'm sure is a great guy in real life. But he has failed in pressure situations so many times. And its like, you not only wasted one guy's potential for absolutely no reason. But you also couldn't even get anything substantial out of the guy you chose over him.

 

[shamaan]

Imad does warrant a place in the xi for the world Cup.

 

[kingusama92]

Excellent news.

I had him penciled in for the WC as he will do well in those conditions. Much better option than Nawaz.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Good call, he easily makes our best T20I XI

 

[mominsaigol]

I am very confused. Is Salman Agha a batsman who can bowl spin or a specialist spinner who can also bat decently? Pak management hypes him a lot but he seems like a bits n pieces player like Shivam Dube

He's just another bits and pieces player like shadab amd nawaz

 

[topspin]

I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.

He has a below 50% win rate in PSL as captain of Karachi Kings and couldn’t keep the job, but somehow he would have led us to winning a WC which is 100x harder?

Pakistan made it to the Semis in 2021 and then they made it to the final in the following year. It's certainly not far fetched by any means for one to claim that a far superior captain would've led Pakistan to a win in any one (or both) of these tournaments. Pakistan manageed to make it to the latter stages of both tournaments with Babar, who was a non-functional captain. He was no leader of men and tactically inept.

Imad won the PSL as captain of KK. When Babar took over the following year, he not only took them to last place but holds an exclusive record, where he finished with 1 win and 9 losses. That's a record low for any captain in the PSL.

Why does everyone always go from one extreme to the completely opposite extreme? People are talking about Imad Wasim as if he’s Gary Sobers, yet he averages 15 with the bat in T20. He’s not even as good as Sikandar Raza, Shakib, Pandya, etc all of which are all better all rounders who have not been able to lead their team to a T20 WC.

I've made it clear from day one that Imad is an average/above average player with elite mentality. I've stated this on numerous occasions, including post #779 after the PSL final:

[EXCLUSIVE] "You never know, I can take my retirement back": Imad Wasim

Here we go again. Back to Imad bashing as you've been doing on a daily basis during each PSL. What have I said which is wrong? He's performed and if he takes back his retirement he deserves his spot.

ppforum.pakpassion.net

For a mediocre Pakistan team, he's more than good enough. If he was English, Indian or Australian, I'm not sure he would be good to find himself in the starting XI for those sides.

Maybe his batting would have helped in the 2023 WC, but his bowling in Asia in ODI is horrible and literally worse than Nawaz and Shadab.

He has an economy rate of 4.88, so not sure how you can say his bowling in ODIs is horrible.

 

[topspin]

I just stated a fact Imad has 100% loss record. Somehow this is agenda. Well tough for you this is something which can't be changed.

All I want to know is why did you refer to his 2 losses from 2 games as 100%?

This was obviously said to mislead others because of your agenda.

The more you talk about Imad the obvious it's gets you are no different to misbah fans how defend their hero as any cost.

It's actually your views that are aligned with Misbah fans. Like most of them, you've been blindly supporting RizBar and getting triggered by any criticism made towards them in recent years.

You claim to dislike Misbah but you end up grouping with his fans on here because you're a confused one.

 

[Rana]

All I want to know is why did you refer to his 2 losses from 2 games as 100%?

This was obviously said to mislead others because of your agenda.



It's actually your views that are aligned with Misbah fans. Like most of them, you've been blindly supporting RizBar and getting triggered by any criticism made towards in recent years.

You claim to dislike Misbah but you end up grouping with his fans on here because you're a confused one.

It’s funny how they call Imad and Amir to be toxic when in reality, the most toxic fans of Pakistan are the ones who support Misbah and his type

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan made it to the Semis in 2021 and then they made it to the final in the following year. It's certainly not far fetched by any means for one to claim that a far superior captain would've led Pakistan to a win in any one (or both) of these tournaments. Pakistan manageed to make it to the latter stages of both tournaments with Babar, who was a non-functional captain. He was no leader of men and tactically inept.

Imad won the PSL as captain of KK. When Babar took over the following year, he not only took them to last place but holds an exclusive record, where he finished with 1 win and 9 losses. That's a record low for any captain in the PSL.



I've read a number of your posts and it's blindingly obvious that you're part of the pro-Babar/anti-Imad cult. You're more than welcome to blind follow and bash who you wish but please don't put words in my mouth. I've made it clear from day one that Imad is an average/above average player with elite mentality. I've stated this on numerous occasions, including post #779 after the PSL final:

[EXCLUSIVE] "You never know, I can take my retirement back": Imad Wasim

Here we go again. Back to Imad bashing as you've been doing on a daily basis during each PSL. What have I said which is wrong? He's performed and if he takes back his retirement he deserves his spot.

ppforum.pakpassion.net

For a mediocre Pakistan team, he's more than good enough. If he was English, Indian or Australian, I'm not sure he would be good to find himself in the starting XI for those sides.



He has an economy rate of 4.88, so not sure how you can say his bowling in ODIs is horrible.

The reason their is hate to imad has nothing to do with how is as a player.

Imad called out Babar correctly after he was UNFAIRLY dropped.

First of Imad was unfairly dropped as if his performance was lackluster while he was a regular then management should have replaced him for someone better, but instead they replaced him for someone 100x worse, it doesn't help that he clearly outperformed our joke allrounders in 2023 yet didn't get selected for the world cup.

He had every right to call Bobby out especially when shadab who averaged 18 with the bat and got his century economy with the ball in 2023, yet shadab is being given vc roles and captaincy roles and high category contracts and Bobby called him a match winner yet comvientally when I bring up this argument people don't respond but say

Oh this isn't about shadab it's about imad.

If imad has suffered a case of dhawan where dhawan got replaced due to lackluster form and because Gill at the time was a xomplete monster scoring 9 centuries not even a year in his debut it would make sense, but nawaz replacing imad is a joke, especially when people have the audacity to claim nawaz is the better bowler due to faulty statistics. Nawaz's current form and shadab's current form warrant a Sack if their even worse then part timers, plain In simple, what shadab did in 2017 with yuvi and what nawaz did against India in 2022 is meaningless now, theirn2023 failures overshadow everything and All arguments.

People are beyond hypocritical as the argument goes both ways, Babar and rizwan failed miserably in the last t20 world cup that these guys played and they played horribly that asia cup the same year, these 2 tournaments should have been enough to warrant a sack.

Similarly shadab and nawaz were horrible in NZ 2023 t20 and odi series despite playing against An NZ D team.

Yet neither rizwan, Babar, Shadab, Nawaz, agha or any of these clowns were sacked, instead they were given Category A Contracts or vc or captaincy roles.

Similarly shaheen should have also been given a sack alongside haris Rauf and hasan Ali for his atrocious wc bowling yet he's still their? In the team?

Imad was done dirty but people are acting like Imad's case is the same as shikhar dhawan or what India does which is not true. Dhawan got replaced by someone miles better and The only player India gave a golden boy treatment to was rohit sharma but that was due to his hitman ability and due to his captiancy which was still top notch, everyone else who didn't perform got a sack, India didn't waste a second to Axe Bhuvi for bumrah, Siraj and shami. They didn't even let sanju sampson in for Rahul or sky in until pandya got permanently injured.

 

[topspin]

It’s funny how they call Imad and Amir to be toxic when in reality, the most toxic fans of Pakistan are the ones who support Misbah and his type

Truer words have never been spoken.

Babar's blind followers, who stem from Misbah's cult, have been guilty of bashing Imad, turning on Wasim Akram and making death threats towards Simon Doull.

 

[topspin]

The reason their is hate to imad has nothing to do with how is as a player.

Imad called out Babar correctly after he was UNFAIRLY dropped.

First of Imad was unfairly dropped as if his performance was lackluster while he was a regular then management should have replaced him for someone better, but instead they replaced him for someone 100x worse, it doesn't help that he clearly outperformed our joke allrounders in 2023 yet didn't get selected for the world cup.

He had every right to call Bobby out especially when shadab who averaged 18 with the bat and got his century economy with the ball in 2023, yet shadab is being given vc roles and captaincy roles and high category contracts and Bobby called him a match winner yet comvientally when I bring up this argument people don't respond but say

Oh this isn't about shadab it's about imad.

If imad has suffered a case of dhawan where dhawan got replaced due to lackluster form and because Gill at the time was a xomplete monster scoring 9 centuries not even a year in his debut it would make sense, but nawaz replacing imad is a joke, especially when people have the audacity to claim nawaz is the better bowler due to faulty statistics. Nawaz's current form and shadab's current form warrant a Sack if their even worse then part timers, plain In simple, what shadab did in 2017 with yuvi and what nawaz did against India in 2022 is meaningless now, theirn2023 failures overshadow everything and All arguments.

People are beyond hypocritical as the argument goes both ways, Babar and rizwan failed miserably in the last t20 world cup that these guys played and they played horribly that asia cup the same year, these 2 tournaments should have been enough to warrant a sack.

Similarly shadab and nawaz were horrible in NZ 2023 t20 and odi series despite playing against An NZ D team.

Yet neither rizwan, Babar, Shadab, Nawaz, agha or any of these clowns were sacked, instead they were given Category A Contracts or vc or captaincy roles.

Similarly shaheen should have also been given a sack alongside haris Rauf and hasan Ali for his atrocious wc bowling yet he's still their? In the team?

Imad was done dirty but people are acting like Imad's case is the same as shikhar dhawan or what India does which is not true. Dhawan got replaced by someone miles better and The only player India gave a golden boy treatment to was rohit sharma but that was due to his hitman ability and due to his captiancy which was still top notch, everyone else who didn't perform got a sack, India didn't waste a second to Axe Bhuvi for bumrah, Siraj and shami. They didn't even let sanju sampson in for Rahul or sky in until pandya got permanently injured.

No one is comparing Imad to the best all-rounders in white ball cricket, as 160 kph accused me of doing. What rational Pakistan fans are doing is comparing Imad to trash like Nawaz, Faheem and mediocre Shadab.

 

[Rana]

The reason their is hate to imad has nothing to do with how is as a player.

Imad called out Babar correctly after he was UNFAIRLY dropped.

First of Imad was unfairly dropped as if his performance was lackluster while he was a regular then management should have replaced him for someone better, but instead they replaced him for someone 100x worse, it doesn't help that he clearly outperformed our joke allrounders in 2023 yet didn't get selected for the world cup.

He had every right to call Bobby out especially when shadab who averaged 18 with the bat and got his century economy with the ball in 2023, yet shadab is being given vc roles and captaincy roles and high category contracts and Bobby called him a match winner yet comvientally when I bring up this argument people don't respond but say

Oh this isn't about shadab it's about imad.

If imad has suffered a case of dhawan where dhawan got replaced due to lackluster form and because Gill at the time was a xomplete monster scoring 9 centuries not even a year in his debut it would make sense, but nawaz replacing imad is a joke, especially when people have the audacity to claim nawaz is the better bowler due to faulty statistics. Nawaz's current form and shadab's current form warrant a Sack if their even worse then part timers, plain In simple, what shadab did in 2017 with yuvi and what nawaz did against India in 2022 is meaningless now, theirn2023 failures overshadow everything and All arguments.

People are beyond hypocritical as the argument goes both ways, Babar and rizwan failed miserably in the last t20 world cup that these guys played and they played horribly that asia cup the same year, these 2 tournaments should have been enough to warrant a sack.

Similarly shadab and nawaz were horrible in NZ 2023 t20 and odi series despite playing against An NZ D team.

Yet neither rizwan, Babar, Shadab, Nawaz, agha or any of these clowns were sacked, instead they were given Category A Contracts or vc or captaincy roles.

Similarly shaheen should have also been given a sack alongside haris Rauf and hasan Ali for his atrocious wc bowling yet he's still their? In the team?

Imad was done dirty but people are acting like Imad's case is the same as shikhar dhawan or what India does which is not true. Dhawan got replaced by someone miles better and The only player India gave a golden boy treatment to was rohit sharma but that was due to his hitman ability and due to his captiancy which was still top notch, everyone else who didn't perform got a sack, India didn't waste a second to Axe Bhuvi for bumrah, Siraj and shami. They didn't even let sanju sampson in for Rahul or sky in until pandya got permanently injured.

Bro the hate is 35% Babar fans and 65% Rizwan fans. The majority will never be able to digest how Imad did the honest and right thing to keep Rizwan on the bench to ensure his team combination is not unbalanced to accommodate him….

Just like the Pakistan team is right now with Rizwan as a mainstay

 

[mominsaigol]

No one is comparing Imad to the best all-rounders in white ball cricket, as 160 kph accused me of doing. What rational Pakistan fans are doing is comparing Imad to trash like Nawaz, Faheem and mediocre Shadab.

The argument goes both ways, which people fail to acknowledge.

Why was babar and rizwan given the sack for their atrocious performance in 2022 wc and 2022 Asia cup? The whole argument is that imad deserved a sack because his form was declining, however

- Babar and rizwan were horrible in 2022 wc, and even if the whole argument is made that historically they've been poor in Australia, then they still flunked in the asia cup, yet no one ever brings up their sack?

-Shadab and Nawaz since 2023 have been so atrociously bad yet shadab get to captain, gets high contracts etc etc rather then being sacked.

- Shaheen wasn't sacked alongside Rauf and Hasan Ali for his atrocious WC performance

Yet imad was sacked for what? Conceding runs against Australia where babar himself flunked the whole game by scoring 39 of 34?

Imad had every right to judge babar, and im tired of people acting like babar was the only reason imad won psl, if that were true babar would have won something in all his years of captaincy but he's won nothing.

All the hate towards sarfraz and imad is invalid when sarfi has won psl trophies, champions trophy and under 19 and imad has won psl as a captain and once again as a player, yet no one cites his victory as a player but praise babar who literally has the worst captaincy record in psl all time?

If a player is doing lackluster you replace him with someone better, not someone worse, nawaz was the replacement for Imad and you don't needs faulty stats to determine who is superior.

Stats argument is invalid as it doesn't account for the pitch, the strength of the teams, the batsmen on the crease, the conditions etc etc. But recent form on similar pitches matter alot in which case imad has always triumphed over Nawaz 24/7

 

[160KPH]

I've read a number of your posts and it's blindingly obvious that you're part of the pro-Babar/anti-Imad cult.

It’s blindingly obvious that you’re part of the pro-Imad/anti-Babar cult.

Anyone can call anyone anything.

He has an economy rate of 4.88, so not sure how you can say his bowling in ODIs is horrible.

Firstly, his stats are boosted tremendously by playing B and C sides and minnow bashing. The same criticism you guys always make of Babar.

Because he takes almost no wickets, gets easily milked for runs, and then teams are settled and can easily go ballistic near the end of the innings because they he takes no wickets in the middle overs.

If economy rate was the only thing that mattered, then I suppose by that logic Mohammad Nawaz is also a good bowler. He has an economy rate of just 5.09, but as opposed to Imad he also takes wickets.

Nawaz has a 42.2 vs 54.6 SR for Imad
Nawaz has a 35 average vs 44 average for Imad

 

[topspin]

The argument goes both ways, which people fail to acknowledge.

Why was babar and rizwan given the sack for their atrocious performance in 2022 wc and 2022 Asia cup? The whole argument is that imad deserved a sack because his form was declining, however

The 2022 Asia Cup final humiliation should've at the very least brought an end to the RizBar opening partnership.
It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

All the hate towards sarfraz and imad is invalid when sarfi has won psl trophies, champions trophy and under 19 and imad has won psl as a captain and once again as a player, yet no one cites his victory as a player but praise babar who literally has the worst captaincy record in psl all time?

Speaking of hate and toxicity, notice how people lapped up to praise Imad right after the final with words such "should take retirement back" just to save face but have now gone back to their old ways because they think everyone else has forgotten what they wrote.

 

[160KPH]

First of Imad was unfairly dropped as if his performance was lackluster while he was a regular then management should have replaced him for someone better, but instead they replaced him for someone 100x worse, it doesn't help that he clearly outperformed our joke allrounders in 2023 yet didn't get selected for the world cup.

Nawaz was performing much better at the time. Including in the PSL. Then when Nawaz didn’t perform, he was dropped and Imad returned. That’s exactly how it should be. Players performing should be given opportunities, and people not performing should be dropped.

Stats argument is invalid as it doesn't account for the pitch, the strength of the teams, the batsmen on the crease, the conditions etc etc. But recent form on similar pitches matter alot in which case imad has always triumphed over Nawaz 24/7

You can easily account for all of these things.

Also Shadab and Nawaz are significantly better batsmen in T20 international cricket than Imad is. Shadab also has very similar bowling stats to Imad while Imad has better bowling stats. You guys are pretending as if Imad Wasim is 100x better than Shadab and Nawaz as all rounders. No, they’re similar level players. Maybe Imad Wasim is slightly better currently, but they all have long records in actual international cricket and not just bashing teams in league cricket.

 

[topspin]

It’s blindingly obvious that you’re part of the pro-Imad/anti-Babar cult.

If that's the case why would I refer to Imad being an average/above average cricketer who's not good enough to start for England, Australia and India?

 

[Rana]

Because he takes almost no wickets, gets easily milked for runs, and then teams are settled and can easily go ballistic near the end of the innings because they he takes no wickets in the middle overs

Right. He’s a bowling/batting all rounder. However you want to call him. He’s not a number 10 who’s primary job is to bowl spin the middle like Muralitharan or Harabajhan. Those are good, Test class spinners.

Pakistan hasn’t employed that level of spinner in their ODI side since Ajmal was banned, and Abdul Rehman fell off the radar. They tried with Yasir Shah but he couldn’t make a mark in ODI like he did in Test.

Imad is a good number 6/7. Bowls 10 overs economically and gives you 20-40 runs with the bat. He’s a good cricketer. You need to employ a Test class spinner to bowl the 10 or 4 crunch overs. That spinner usually bats at 10 or 11 for the side

 

[Rana]

Imad Wasim ODI

Batting Average 42.9 sr 110
Bowing Average 44.5 economy 4.88

Moeen Ali

Batting Average 24.3 sr 98
Bowling Average 47.8 economy 5.32

Moeen is considered an ODI great for England and a strong part of their white ball dominance post 2016. I don’t see England fans hating on Moeen for his England record the way Pakistan fans find every excuse under the sun to belittle Imad!

 

[160KPH]

If that's the case why would I refer to Imad being an average/above average cricketer who's not good enough to start for England, Australia and India?

Look at my posts from the last couple of weeks. I’ve been saying Imad should be back in the side.

Sorry, stating that if Imad Wasim had been in our side that we would have won a WC is extremely hyperbolic. He’s not that big of a difference maker as we saw in the WC’s he’s actually played.

People make extreme statements and then later on write the obvious that Imad Wasim would never make it to any other top side. But it does not erase all the extreme hyperbolic things they are saying before hand to pretend like Imad Wasim is Gary Sobers waiting on the bench.

 

[Rana]

Imad Wasim ODI

Batting Average 42.9 sr 110
Bowing Average 44.5 economy 4.88

Mitchell Santner

Batting Average 27.6 sr 94
Bowling Average 37 economy 4.8

He averages 7 runs less than Imad when taking wickets but it’s still a pretty high average for a guy that plays as an out and out spinner/ bowling all rounder.

Don’t see New Zealand fans throw him under the bus and want to destroy his career!

 

[160KPH]

Right. He’s a bowling/batting all rounder. However you want to call him. He’s not a number 10 who’s primary job is to bowl spin the middle like Muralitharan or Harabajhan. Those are good, Test class spinners.

Pakistan hasn’t employed that level of spinner in their ODI side since Ajmal was banned, and Abdul Rehman fell off the radar. They tried with Yasir Shah but he couldn’t make a mark in ODI like he did in Test.

Imad is a good number 6/7. Bowls 10 overs economically and gives you 20-40 runs with the bat. He’s a good cricketer. You need to employ a Test class spinner to bowl the 10 or 4 crunch overs. That spinner usually bats at 10 or 11 for the side

That’s a reasonable opinion.

In ODI, he’s batted better than Shadab and Nawaz but bowled worse.

In T20’s he’s bowled better than Shadab and Nawaz but batted worse.

He was performing badly. He was not that good in the T20 WC and he was rightfully dropped and another player who was performing better at the time was given an opportunity. Then when that next player didn’t perform well, he was dropped and Imad came back.

The main issue is that the history is being completely rewritten to pretend Imad Wasim is a world class all rounder. Just check some posts from the other thread, it’s clear Imad is being dramatically over rated.

 

[mominsaigol]

Nawaz was performing much better at the time. Including in the PSL. Then when Nawaz didn’t perform, he was dropped and Imad returned. That’s exactly how it should be. Players performing should be given opportunities, and people not performing should be dropped.

You can easily account for all of these things.

Also Shadab and Nawaz are significantly better batsmen in T20 international cricket than Imad is. Shadab also has very similar bowling stats to Imad while Imad has better bowling stats. You guys are pretending as if Imad Wasim is 100x better than Shadab and Nawaz as all rounders. No, they’re similar level players. Maybe Imad Wasim is slightly better currently, but they all have long records in actual international cricket and not just bashing teams in league cricket.

No he was not, not even close, and the 2nd argument isn't even true. Nawaz remained a regular and got selected for the odi wc despite having the worst performance of all time in the asia cup, It was made clear that nawaz had to go but Bobby went out of his way to call nawaz his match winner and him the best bowler of the entire pakistani unit, he refused to drop nawaz under any circumstances.

No you can't EASILY account for all these things, how on earth can you easily account? Imam still to this day has a high avg and a healthy sr stats wise. If someone was to look at this stat sheet, they'd think he's some goat opener, same with Bobby, before he got exposed he averaged 60, and his sr was just a few notches below kohli, based of everything it would seem he's superior to kohli by miles?

Yet the reality was exposed eventually, tell me how do you EASILY ACCOUNT for all these things?

SHADAB AND NAWAZ ARE 10X ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER BATSMEN IN INTERNATIONAL T20 THEN IMAD IS, MAYBE IMAD CURRENTLY IS SLIGHTLY SUPERIOR.

^^ No need to even address this argument, lol.

 

[mominsaigol]

That’s a reasonable opinion.

In ODI, he’s batted better than Shadab and Nawaz but bowled worse.

In T20’s he’s bowled better than Shadab and Nawaz but batted worse.

He was performing badly. He was not that good in the T20 WC and he was rightfully dropped and another player who was performing better at the time was given an opportunity. Then when that next player didn’t perform well, he was dropped and Imad came back.

The main issue is that the history is being completely rewritten to pretend Imad Wasim is a world class all rounder. Just check some posts from the other thread, it’s clear Imad is being dramatically over rated.

Why wasn't babar and rizwan dropped for their t20 2022 performance in asia cup and world cup?

Why weren't shadab And nawaz dropped for their 2023 wc performance.

Again singling our Imad? Argument always goes both ways.

Also no one is claiming imad is world class, he is world class if you're desperately trying to compare him to 2 allrounders who can barely bowl better then Joe root and barely bat better then hasebullah.

 

[msb314]

Bro the hate is 35% Babar fans and 65% Rizwan fans. The majority will never be able to digest how Imad did the honest and right thing to keep Rizwan on the bench to ensure his team combination is not unbalanced to accommodate him….

Just like the Pakistan team is right now with Rizwan as a mainstay

So how did you drag Babar and Rizwan into this discussion when this thread is about Imad requesting demands from PCB to reconsider his retirement?

Neither Babar nor Rizwan are the captain so they do not have any influence on whether Imad gets selected or not..

 

[topspin]

Imad Wasim ODI

Batting Average 42.9 sr 110
Bowing Average 44.5 economy 4.88

Mitchell Santner

Batting Average 27.6 sr 94
Bowling Average 37 economy 4.8

He averages 7 runs less than Imad when taking wickets but it’s still a pretty high average for a guy that plays as an out and out spinner/ bowling all rounder.

Don’t see New Zealand fans throw him under the bus and want to destroy his career!

Excellent find.

It just goes to show bowling averages in white ball cricket are overrated and are a rather old fashioned metric to measure bowlers of today. This is fine example of that.

Some spinners have a primary role of taking wickets i.e. attacking spinners and whereas other spinners are more defensive, who are there to contain batsmen and help stem the flow of runs.

 

[Rana]

So how did you drag Babar and Rizwan into this discussion when this thread is about Imad requesting demands from PCB to reconsider his retirement?

Neither Babar nor Rizwan are the captain so they do not have any influence on whether Imad gets selected or not..

Yes, Babar isn’t captain and doesn’t have Rizwan influencing him like a missus would anymore…surprise surprise…Imad is back in the team because of the PCB reaching out to him.

Do the maths

 

[mominsaigol]

Also ngl, this whole babar vs Imad war has gotten so irritating that's its insufferable.

The babar side views babar azam as some sort of God.

The exact same arguments for imad aka world class(even though we do not make them) are made for babar 24/7 on him being pakistan's answer to kohli or him being some of modern era odi Bradman.

Similarly the criteria for imad's selection doesn't seem to apply to babar or rizwan as imad gets dropped for 2021 wc performance when babar did worse in that semi final amd flopped miserably in both Asia cup 2022 and t20 world cup 2022.

He also flopped hard in 2023, in odi routings this time around, he's lucky that's fans cam keep lathcing on to his iconic 150 against Nepal.

 

[160KPH]

SHADAB AND NAWAZ ARE 10X ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER BATSMEN IN INTERNATIONAL T20 THEN IMAD IS, MAYBE IMAD CURRENTLY IS SLIGHTLY SUPERIOR.

^^ No need to even address this argument, lol.

Nawaz has been a slightly better batter and Shadab has been significantly better batter in T20 internationals. Not 100x better.

If you want to talk about match winning performances, Nawaz’s 42(20) is a better T20 batting performance than Imad Wasim has ever had. If you disagree, please just go ahead and list the performances.

Sorry if you don’t want to believe it or address it, but averaging 15 runs @ 130 SR in T20 is horribly bad.

No you can't EASILY account for all these things, how on earth can you easily account? Imam still to this day has a high avg and a healthy sr stats wise. If someone was to look at this stat sheet, they'd think he's some goat opener, same with Bobby, before he got exposed he averaged 60, and his sr was just a few notches below kohli, based of everything it would seem he's superior to kohli by miles?

I think if we are gonna continue this discussion then we should just stick to one format at a time, it’s getting kind of confusing now.

No you can't EASILY account for all these things, how on earth can you easily account? Imam still to this day has a high avg and a healthy sr stats wise. If someone was to look at this stat sheet, they'd think he's some goat opener, same with Bobby, before he got exposed he averaged 60, and his sr was just a few notches below kohli, based of everything it would seem he's superior to kohli by miles?

Because all of these things, including the opposition faced, are all tracked and can be controlled for.

Do you think that you’re the first person to ever think of this? That stats have to be put into context of the opposition played, the pitch, etc? Statisticians control for these kinds of variables not just in cricket, but in all sports.

 

[Rana]

Excellent find.

It just goes to show bowling averages in white ball cricket are overrated and are a rather old fashioned metric to measure bowlers of today. This is fine example of that.

Some spinners have a primary role of taking wickets i.e. attacking spinners and whereas other spinners are more defensive, who are there to contain batsmen and help stem the flow of runs.

Santner the way he bowls now is an absolute fox! He has so much guile and quality. Just goes to show, let a guy who knows his craft do his job and he will become better and better. I don’t care Santner has an ODI bowling average of 37. He is more the capable of cutting the best Right handed batsmen in the world in half with his deliveries that land in the right spot with the dip and drift.

Pakistanis in general are so impatient

By now with Imad, you would have had a bowler who gives you 10 overs for 30-40 runs at 2-4 wickets per game had you kept him going in ODI

 

[160KPH]

Why weren't shadab And nawaz dropped for their 2023 wc performance.

Nawaz will probably be dropped and Shadab may as well in ODI. The only thing is that if Shadab has a good year in T20, that may save his spot in ODI despite them being different formats - mainly because we are not playing any ODIs.

By now with Imad, you would have had a bowler who gives you 10 overs for 30-40 runs at 2-4 wickets per game had you kept him going in ODI

Imad’s average performance in ODI bowling is 1/48 in 10 overs across 55 ODIs.

If he was getting 30-40 runs and 2-4 wickets per game he would probably be the best spin bowler in the history of the game, those would be incredible numbers.

 

[mominsaigol]

Nawaz has been a slightly better batter and Shadab has been significantly better batter in T20 internationals. Not 100x better.

If you want to talk about match winning performances, Nawaz’s 42(20) is a better T20 batting performance than Imad Wasim has ever had. If you disagree, please just go ahead and list the performances.

Sorry if you don’t want to believe it or address it, but averaging 15 runs @ 130 SR in T20 is horribly bad.

I think if we are gonna continue this discussion then we should just stick to one format at a time, it’s getting kind of confusing now.

Because all of these things, including the opposition faced, are all tracked and can be controlled for.

Do you think that you’re the first person to ever think of this? That stats have to be put into context of the opposition played, the pitch, etc? Statisticians control for these kinds of variables not just in cricket, but in all sports.

I'll go on reverse order.

1) That is not true, stats wise babar was averaging 60 and ranked no 1 based of his scores against c and d string sides for years.

ICC clearly does not account for any of these variables, nor do they care. Even if you split and categorise the stats on espn cricinfo their listed as his performance against different countries like Australia where he supposedly averages very high even though the avg and sr are inflated given it was a d team Australia.

One metric places babar as averaging 88 in an odi knockout stage and anyone who would look at that would think babar is some sort of clutch godly match winning player who comes good for his team in knockout stages when he's only ever played 2 knockout stages in his life in CT 2017.

The stats argument has and always will be flawed, and never once has it ever taken into account for anything including the type of bowlers the batsmen face, the type of pitches prepared, whether the game is rain affected etc.

2) Again all those past nawaz performances are completly irrelevant when neither shadab or nawaz are barely superior to Joe root as bowlers currently and were deadlast in all metrics in asia cup and at the pure bottom in the world cup. You're completly missing the point, talking about imad's performances will derail the topic, the whole 42/20 is such a desperate cling, Address the points I make, because I'm not gonna continue if you keep ignoring everything I say 24/7


3) Again you ignored the selection criteria argument, Babar and rizwan deserved a sack, along side shaheen, shadab and nawaz for their performances, inhindsoght imad's 2021 performance and him getting a sack and not getting a call up to the 2023 wc squad is far far harsher considering how easy the golden boys get off the hook.

 

[topspin]

Santner the way he bowls now is an absolute fox! He has so much guile and quality. Just goes to show, let a guy who knows his craft do his job and he will become better and better. I don’t care Santner has an ODI bowling average of 37. He is more the capable of cutting the best Right handed batsmen in the world in half with his deliveries that land in the right spot with the dip and drift.

Who can forget that stunning spell of 4-11 against India, as you say he can dismiss some of the best players.

Pakistanis in general are so impatient

and agenda driven

By now with Imad, you would have had a bowler who gives you 10 overs for 30-40 runs at 2-4 wickets per game had you kept him going in ODI

Imad and Santner I would say are the same level. Imad is the better batsman in ODIs whereas Santner is the better bowler in this format.

 

[160KPH]

1) That is not true, stats wise babar was averaging 60 and ranked no 1 based of his scores against c and d string sides for years.

ICC clearly does not account for any of these variables, nor do they care. Even if you split and categorise the stats on espn cricinfo their listed as his performance against different countries like Australia where he supposedly averages very high even though the avg and sr are inflated given it was a d team Australia.

One metric places babar as averaging 88 in an odi knockout stage and anyone who would look at that would think babar is some sort of clutch godly match winning player who comes good for his team in knockout stages when he's only ever played 2 knockout stages in his life in CT 2017.

The stats argument has and always will be flawed, and never once has it ever taken into account for anything including the type of bowlers the batsmen face, the type of pitches prepared, whether the game is rain affected etc.

You’re referring only to the ICC rankings. Those are incredibly flawed and not at all a good measure of the best players.

But the ICC rankings are usually not what statisticians are looking towards to declare one player is better than another.

 

[mominsaigol]

Nawaz will probably be dropped and Shadab may as well in ODI. The only thing is that if Shadab has a good year in T20, that may save his spot in ODI despite them being different formats - mainly because we are not playing any ODIs.

Imad’s average performance in ODI bowling is 1/48 in 10 overs across 55 ODIs.

If he was getting 30-40 runs and 2-4 wickets per game he would probably be the best spin bowler in the history of the game, those would be incredible numbers.

Again probably and more hypothetical.

I asked a very simple question for which no one on this forumn has answered, despite me asking it multiple times.

If imad was dropped for his 2021 performance which isn't as bad in hindsight,

Why wasn't babar and rizwan sacked for their performance in asia cup 2022, and t20 world cup 2022? And same argument goes for shadab and nawaz and shaheen in 2023.

If anything they were proclaimed as match winner by Babar who went as far as to call them his best bowlers.

 

[mominsaigol]

You’re referring only to the ICC rankings. Those are incredibly flawed and not at all a good measure of the best players.

But the ICC rankings are usually not what statisticians are looking towards to declare one player is better than another.

I'm not referring only to the ICC rankings, again I've noticed people have a massive habit of ignoring 90% of what I've written.

 

[mominsaigol]

Who can forget that stunning spell of 4-11 against India, as you say he can dismiss some of the best players.



and agenda driven



Imad and Santner I would say are the same level. Imad is the better batsman in ODIs whereas Santner is the better bowler in this format.

To answer @Rana And replying to this,

Pakistani fans are beyond patient and can wait if its their favourites. They'll never address how horrible babar and rizwan were or how bad shadab, nawaz and shaheen were for the past 2 years in odi and t20 tournaments.

They'll get amnesia and pretend like it never happened and hence they merit a place in the squad but imad conceding a few extra runs against Australia the strongest team in 2021 meanwhile in the same game, Hasan Ali, shaheen and Babar botched it and were the main culprits, all that is comvientally ignored.

Babar's innings in 2021 alone shpuld have warranted a removal from t20 squad or at the very least t20 opening, his 2022 performances are just an icing.

 

[160KPH]

Why wasn't babar and rizwan sacked for their performance in asia cup 2022, and t20 world cup 2022? And same argument goes for shadab and nawaz and shaheen in 2023.

If anything they were proclaimed as match winner by Babar who went as far as to call them his best bowlers.

Because for better or worse, usually teams eventually have a core of players who get longer runs despite bad patches. This is true for almost all teams and usually apply to the top 2-3 batsmen and top 2-3 wicket takers.

Also we have no clue who was dropped from the ODI squad because we have not played any ODIs since the WC. Nawaz was dropped from the T20 squad after the ODI WC so we can only guess he was also dropped from ODI.

Also after the T20 WC, we had a series against Afghanistan where we tried out a ton of new players. None of them were successful, in fact they lost to Afghanistan 2-1. If Saim/Harris had really performed well that series then the Babar and Rizwan opening partnership could have been broken up earlier.

Again probably and more hypothetical.

You realize it’s all a hypothetical right? We haven’t played a single ODI game since the WC so any discussion about who is dropped after that is a hypothetical.

 

[160KPH]

I'm not referring only to the ICC rankings, again I've noticed people have a massive habit of ignoring 90% of what I've written.

These are like arguments that get debunked in an introduction to Statistics courses: “There are confounding factors so statistics are useless!” Even the things you described can easily be controlled for. We can easily look at performance in tournaments where teams play full strength sides. And the B/C side is not nearly as much of an issue when both players were playing against B/C sides.

Now we even have organizations who track how much a ball is spinning and swinging on average. We can quantify more things about cricket than ever before. If you abandon statistics like you are proposing, then everything you’re describing is based entirely on emotion.

If I say, Iftikhar Ahmed is a better bowler than Imad Wasim how could you possibly disprove me? Your numbers are useless! I feel Iftikhar is better so he is better!

I like your contributions on this forum too, but if you basically say statistics are useless in examining these kinds of questions then every argument will just boil down to your feelings and my feelings and then there’s no way to find out who is right or wrong.

But you and @topspin love talking about X factor and match winning performances. So I’ll just ask this specifically:

What T20I batting performed has Imad had that was better than Nawaz’s 42(20) against India?

 

[mominsaigol]

Because for better or worse, usually teams eventually have a core of players who get longer runs despite bad patches. This is true for almost all teams and usually apply to the top 2-3 batsmen and top 2-3 wicket takers.

Also we have no clue who was dropped from the ODI squad because we have not played any ODIs since the WC. Nawaz was dropped from the T20 squad after the ODI WC so we can only guess he was also dropped from ODI.

Also after the T20 WC, we had a series against Afghanistan where we tried out a ton of new players. None of them were successful, in fact they lost to Afghanistan 2-1. If Saim/Harris had really performed well that series then the Babar and Rizwan opening partnership could have been broken up earlier.

You realize it’s all a hypothetical right? We haven’t played a single ODI game since the WC so any discussion about who is dropped after that is a hypothetical.

First of about nawaz, the whole nawaz being dropped this is irrelevant when he instantly gets recalled (even if it was a different format) and gets proclaimed a match winner. The fact that he got proclaimed as such by the captain of the team automatically proves he was getting a golden boy treatment.

Idkw you're acting like a golden boy treatment does not exist in Pakistan and that all these pcb selections were based on merit.

Again all the complicated words about Babar and rizwan usually being the ones is completly irrelevant, just say their getting a golden boy treatment over others unfairly, same way shadab and nawaz got a golden boy treatment which is something THAT BABAR HIMSELF PROCLAIMED.

as for the Afghanistan series, brother it takes years and years to build a team and establish players, NZ sent their c team because they were looking for players who would eventually blossom into their A team.

From their series against us, they confirmed th entry of darly Mitchell and the entry of rachin ravindra as their super stars, they didn't select the whole squad. Pcb did the opposite, we used that series as a scapegoat to say haha see, how without Bobby and rizwan we are nothing.

It takes a while to groom, otherwise from the NZ series, you'd have never guessed that someone like rachin ravindra who no one gives a kahoot about would end up becoming NZ's best all star opener who's far superior to their old openers like will young. You give players long runs, that's the point, considering how unfairly players like saud, tayyab etc etc have been treated.

The problem that's arising is that everyone is assuming that PCB is a proper management that has made correct and wise and merit based decisions over the years and imad was dropped only because of PERFORMANCE.

PCB is not NZ or India or Australia, if they were someone like usman Khan wouldn't be considering uae. UK is considering UAE because he knows full well that if PCB gives him the sami aslam, Tayyab tahir, Imad waseem, Amir treatment etc, then his chances of making money, making a living and representing a proper rich country with potential and cpuld easily vecone a proper cricketing nation within the mext 10 years will instantly get squandered.

 

[PakLFC]

He was so missed that I had forgotten about him Poor man, after no one cried over his retirement he had to come out off it himself!!

 

[160KPH]

First of about nawaz, the whole nawaz being dropped this is irrelevant when he instantly gets recalled (even if it was a different format) and gets proclaimed a match winner. The fact that he got proclaimed as such by the captain of the team automatically proves he was getting a golden boy treatment.

Idkw you're acting like a golden boy treatment does not exist in Pakistan and that all these pcb selections were based on merit.

Again all the complicated words about Babar and rizwan usually being the ones is completly irrelevant, just say their getting a golden boy treatment over others unfairly, same way shadab and nawaz got a golden boy treatment which is something THAT BABAR HIMSELF PROCLAIMED.

as for the Afghanistan series, brother it takes years and years to build a team and establish players, NZ sent their c team because they were looking for players who would eventually blossom into their A team.

From their series against us, they confirmed th entry of darly Mitchell and the entry of rachin ravindra as their super stars, they didn't select the whole squad. Pcb did the opposite, we used that series as a scapegoat to say haha see, how without Bobby and rizwan we are nothing.

It takes a while to groom, otherwise from the NZ series, you'd have never guessed that someone like rachin ravindra who no one gives a kahoot about would end up becoming NZ's best all star opener who's far superior to their old openers like will young. You give players long runs, that's the point, considering how unfairly players like saud, tayyab etc etc have been treated.

The problem that's arising is that everyone is assuming that PCB is a proper management that has made correct and wise and merit based decisions over the years and imad was dropped only because of PERFORMANCE.

PCB is not NZ or India or Australia, if they were someone like usman Khan wouldn't be considering uae. UK is considering UAE because he knows full well that if PCB gives him the sami aslam, Tayyab tahir, Imad waseem, Amir treatment etc, then his chances of making money, making a living and representing a proper rich country with potential and cpuld easily vecone a proper cricketing nation within the mext 10 years will instantly get squandered.

Our selection decisions usually are horrible and we are bad at preparing the next generation of players - there’s no doubt about that. But Imad being dropped was a perfectly fine decision at the time.

The reason Babar and Rizwan keep their place in the team is because they’ve been two of the best performing batsmen in our entire team since they both made their debut. In Tests and ODI Rizwan is arguably our highest performing WK batsmen ever.

The other reason they’ve kept their spot is because the other avenue which we usually find T20 talent - the PSL - Babar and Rizwan have still remained some of the highest performing players. If they’re outperforming their replacements in the exact place we usually find their replacements - then it’s no surprise at all that they’re kept their spot.

Shaheen Shah, I agree with you that there was a good argument that he should have been at the very least rested. I don’t think the management of his playing time post injury was done well. Despite that though he still remains one of our best performing bowlers, including in the WC where I believe he took the most wickets for our team.

Can you give me other examples of where the highest scoring batsmen or highest wicket taking bowlers were dropped from a team?

Also, I think I probably am done with the Imad discussion. I’ve probably said everything I had to say about the matter and I respect your opinion because I believe you give it in a respectful manner even though we disagree about how good/important Imad is. I think this forum has had thousands of posts about Imad and Imad vs Babar so I think everything that could be said about them has probably been said.

 

[mominsaigol]

Our selection decisions usually are horrible and we are bad at preparing the next generation of players - there’s no doubt about that. But Imad being dropped was a perfectly fine decision at the time.

The reason Babar and Rizwan keep their place in the team is because they’ve been two of the best performing batsmen in our entire team since they both made their debut. In Tests and ODI Rizwan is arguably our highest performing WK batsmen ever.

The other reason they’ve kept their spot is because the other avenue which we usually find T20 talent - the PSL - Babar and Rizwan have still remained some of the highest performing players. If they’re outperforming their replacements in the exact place we usually find their replacements - then it’s no surprise at all that they’re kept their spot.

Shaheen Shah, I agree with you that there was a good argument that he should have been at the very least rested. I don’t think the management of his playing time post injury was done well. Despite that though he still remains one of our best performing bowlers, including in the WC where I believe he took the most wickets for our team.

Can you give me other examples of where the highest scoring batsmen or highest wicket taking bowlers were dropped from a team?

Also, I think I probably am done with the Imad discussion. I’ve probably said everything I had to say about the matter and I respect your opinion because I believe you give it in a respectful manner even though we disagree about how good/important Imad is. I think this forum has had thousands of posts about Imad and Imad vs Babar so I think everything that could be said about them has probably been said.

Babar and rizwan kept their place in the team mainly because saim was raw, haris is a hack and fakhar wasn't kicking off. Ontop of that to give credit to those 2, they atleast chase down 200 scores consistently against c to d string.

The main issue however at the end of the day was always political, so ignoring the political side and looking at it from a merit perspective,

Imad didn't do well in 2021, I agree, my point I'd the others did worse during the 2022 outing. When it comes to Nawaz, Theirs a thing called hindsight and observation, for example if you look at haris and saim ayub, Haris was the breakout star in 2022 world cup at no 3, Saim ayub on the other hand via performances was a bit lack luster, but what cricket boards do is that their able to recognise this fact, its why NZ correctly identified that someone like rachin who wasn't doing to well, or someone like rohit sharma who was terrible pre 2013, would be perfect replacements in the future over people like will young.

With one observation you can tell saim ayub is superior to haris, since the former has solid shots, good technique and good footwork, he's lacking in temperament and is uneducated about shot selection but he's obviously a far superior investment compared to haris who seems like he doesn't even know the difference between front foot and back foot, he just randomly rushes to attack blindly like a discount shahid afridi.

With one observation you can tell that nawaz was going to collapse and miserably so, just like I predicted that agha would fall flat despite him supposedly scoring multiple 50's during NZ c series.

Why? Because Nawaz cannot spin the ball, and is full pitched deliveries may have worked occasionally but they would eventually get exposed whereas imad's darters atleast were more economical in t20 In the long run.

In terms of batting, Nawaz's 42/20 is a fluke, its no different then haris' innings, nawaz doesn't know how to bat plain and simple, with imad you can tell he knows how to bat and clearly has better match and lower order pressure temperament, his psl performances aren't a suprise or a 3x fluke by any means.

Stats will never tell the full story ever, I'm not saying their not important, but visual observation in games is more important, for example I can tell that babar isn't great against spin bit he's good enough against pace, stats would not tell me that, stats tell me he's better then kohli lol.

As for shaheen, I don't want him removed, he's good, I love his killer inswing, I was just exposing the double standards of selection.

You can't claim we will drop imad for a short term temporary hack who'll fail because imsd is lack luster but not use the same argument for Babar and rizwan and shaheen and just replace them with people haris who'll only give you short term results at opening but will eventually get exposed.

If we're using hypocritical logic on imad, them the same logic applies to babar and rizwan, let's replace babar for haris since haris outperformed in 2022, and when haris fails, let's go to babar's House and apologise to babar and get him back in, oh and meanwhile let's also have all of pindi thrash babar while we're at it.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Imad is back after so much hype but the real question is, HOW WILL YOU GUYS REACT IF HE FAILS BADLY IN THE UPCOMING SERIES OF HE GETS A CHANCE?

 

[Jabo]

He’s a poor international player, what’s he actually done?

A step backwards but there is no other talent out there too.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Imad is back after so much hype but the real question is, HOW WILL YOU GUYS REACT IF HE FAILS BADLY IN THE UPCOMING SERIES OF HE GETS A CHANCE?

Here are the excuses list:

1. Captain didn't gave him over in Pp
2. It was a green track, captain shouldn't have bowled him on this pitch in Pp
3. Captain over bowled him during Pp, knowing he would go for runs
4. Captain under bowled him, knowing he would take all the 10 wickets
5. Didn't get a chance to bat higher
6. He is a finisher, injustice was done to send him early

Save this for future reference!

 

[BouncerGuy]

Here are the excuses list:

1. Captain didn't gave him over in Pp
2. It was a green track, captain shouldn't have bowled him on this pitch in Pp
3. Captain over bowled him during Pp, knowing he would go for runs
4. Captain under bowled him, knowing he would take all the 10 wickets
5. Didn't get a chance to bat higher
6. He is a finisher, injustice was done to send him early

Save this for future reference!

Yep, this is my point of asking that question. The thing is, Pakistan team fans keep hyping a player who is out of the team and doing something good in few games in some league but as soon as he gets back into the national team, he underperforms and then the excuse list is out for them. No point in hyping imad here. He is back, well and good for him but he still has to perform if he gets a chance.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Imad is back after so much hype but the real question is, HOW WILL YOU GUYS REACT IF HE FAILS BADLY IN THE UPCOMING SERIES OF HE GETS A CHANCE?

The better question is

If he is terrible on his comeback and you discard him for someone even more terrible, how is that smart cricket ?

People are lining up hoping to see Imad fail so he can be thrown out.

Fine.

Name his alternative?

Note I am not singling you out.

This is for all Babar brazen cult who cant wait to see him flop and say "I told you so".

I need a player who replaces him.

I will be waiting.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The better question is

If he is terrible on his comeback and you discard him for someone even more terrible, how is that smart cricket ?

People are lining up hoping to see Imad fail so he can be thrown out.

Fine.

Name his alternative?

Note I am not singling you out.

This is for all Babar brazen cult who cant wait to see him flop and say "I told you so".

I need a player who replaces him.

I will be waiting.

I am not hoping by even 1 percent for Imad to fail. He deserved a spot earlier when Nawaz took his place and he is the most deserving guy atm as well. My only concern is people hype such a player too much and when he fails they curse him. We are too impatient as a fan.

And this has nothing to do with babar. No need to bring anybody in this thread apart from imad. Derails the thread.

 

[Ali T]

He’s a poor international player, what’s he actually done?

A step backwards but there is no other talent out there too.

He's a pretty handy cricketer.
Only problem is that age is not on his side.
If anything, he'll play the WC and subsequently retire.

 

[pakistani pride]

Another new low for Pak cricket. I mean the guys was smoking on air during a final match!

Will he do a fitness test? Cause his fitness is terrible. He is in no shape to play Int cricket.

Pak cricket keeps falling to new low standards.

 

[Mamoon]

Imad won the PSL as captain of KK. When Babar took over the following year, he not only took them to last place but holds an exclusive record, where he finished with 1 win and 9 losses. That's a record low for any captain in the PSL.

I know that Imad cult suffer from memory loss and don’t like facts, but Babar didn’t replace Imad as KK captain the “following year”.

Babar produced the most dominant performance ever by an individual player in PSL in 2020 and won Imad the title.

The following year, i.e. PSL 2021, Imad was still captain and once again, it was Babar’s brilliance with the bat that kept KK in contention of defending their title and they lost the eliminator to PZ.

Fun Fact: Imad was absolutely rubbish with both bat and ball in PSL 2021 and he was replaced as captain the following year for PSL 2022.

This is the third time that Imad cult have omitted PSL 2021 from their memories only for me to remind them.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Yep, this is my point of asking that question. The thing is, Pakistan team fans keep hyping a player who is out of the team and doing something good in few games in some league but as soon as he gets back into the national team, he underperforms and then the excuse list is out for them. No point in hyping imad here. He is back, well and good for him but he still has to perform if he gets a chance.

Imad has played 2016 T20WC, 2019 WC and 2020 T20WC. We have seen how good he is at international level. Not sure what has he done to upgrade his skills apart from crying on the national TV and bullying PCB so that he can take part in each and every Mohalla league around the world.

 

[Rana]

I know that Imad cult suffer from memory loss and don’t like facts, but Babar didn’t replace Imad as KK captain the “following year”.

Babar produced the most dominant performance ever by an individual player in PSL in 2020 and won Imad the title.

The following year, i.e. PSL 2021, Imad was still captain and once again, it was Babar’s brilliance with the bat that kept KK in contention of defending their title and they lost the eliminator to PZ.

Fun Fact: Imad was absolutely rubbish with both bat and ball in PSL 2021 and he was replaced as captain the following year for PSL 2022.

This is the third time that Imad cult have omitted PSL 2021 from their memories only for me to remind them.

I think the New found love of Babar cult seem to forget Imad isn’t as bad as he is made out to be considering his record and performance is as good or slightly below some of the best renowned white ball spin all rounders in the world