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India [195/2] beat West Indies [124/9] by 71 runs in the 2nd T20I to take a 2-0 series lead

RamLakhan

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Dhawan's form prior to World Cup has been a bit of worry (yes of course still Australian, NZ tour to come) If he looks brittle like this, then it will expose the Indian middle order even more! Will Kohli make way for Rahul at No.3, so in that way at least we can strengthen the middle order (Kohli at No.4), once Kohli did try that ploy and once again Rahul failed to grab the opportunity!

The good thing with the trio (except Rohit) is that they at least don't eat up balls before getting out! They score at brisk rate before they get out, on the other hand Rohit don't give it up once he has consumed some time (he normally goes on to make big score! So he can be given that exception, if he gets out for low score it is usually when he has not consumed many balls).

So ideally Kohli will be at 20/2 or 10/2 at worst, where he can switch gear and do the consolidation job & work around with these weak middle order batsmen (who cannot score 100s in tough conditions against tough opposition) At 20/1 Kohli will still look to play some shots, and thereby if we lose his wicket, it puts immense pressure on the team and gives lot of advantage to opposition! In the better case India will definitely be like 170/2 in the 25th over or so, which won't do much harm. These three guys are capable of scoring at the rate similar to Kohli (they are even capable of playing more aerial shots than Kohli!)

Should Kohli (who is so good in ground shots, picking up gaps, running between wicket, converting 1s to 2s, 2s to 3s) think of No.4 batting position for the betterment of team? He can of course take more strike by rotating with the partners in the middle overs so that the RR is kept moving (We should also see from future perspective as guys like Shaw, Gill, etc are all better at the Top of the order!) After Dhawan, Rohit are fazed out in coming years, the Indian batting order may look something like this....

Shaw
Rahul
Gill
Kohli....

I know it may not work out like that... You may also need a left hander... But Kohli at No.4 gives lot of stability to Indian batting and his "chasing" tag (He was so perfect with chasing in the past! But of late he has also missed out chasing like in CT Finals because of the reason I mentioned above! New Ball, Good bowlers, early wickets! At No.4 he can think of switching gear which only he is capable of in this Indian batting lineup! Rahul failed in that role!)

Also I think Rohit & Dhawan (at least Dhawan) may not be so effective after 2-3 years! They will be fazed out gradually! They are not technically perfect, but rely on temperament, strokeplay & timing! Even Gambhir who had better technique & temperament didn't last long! So we should have some future vision...

Also in this way we can get rid of Dhoni, DK, etc, at least in future... I know all this cannot be done drastically before world cup, but at least this can be part of experiment! Yes they can still have Dhoni/DK/Rayudu in the team (to satisfy the strange egos!), but at least push them a bit down in the order to give better stability... (also I think India definitely won't play both Pant & Dhoni in World Cup in the playing XI...)

Dhawan
Rohit
Rahul/Rayudu
Kohli
Rayudu/DK
Dhoni
Pandya
Jadeja/Krunal
Bhuvaneshwar/Khaleel
Kuldeep/Chahal
Bumrah

That looks a much better WC batting lineup at least for me!

Meanwhile Rahul has to grab at least these easy opportunities (matches against WI at home! It is extreme bad luck if he feels that he is facing unplayable deliveries from nemesis bowlers time to time!)
 
Teams.....

India 1 Rohit Sharma (capt.), 2 Shikhar Dhawan, 3 KL Rahul, 4 Manish Pandey, 5 Rishabh Pant, 6 Dinesh Karthik (wk), 7 Krunal Pandya, 8 Kuldeep Yadav, 9 Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 10 Jasprit Bumrah, 11 Khaleel Ahmed

West Indies 1 Shai Hope, 2 Denesh Ramdin (wk), 3 Nicholas Pooran, 4 Shimron Hetmyer, 5 Darren Bravo, 6 Kieron Pollard, 7 Carlos Brathwaite (capt.), 8 Keemo Paul, 9 Fabian Allen, 10 Khary Pierre, 11 Oshane Thomas
 
Bharat Ratna Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee International Cricket Stadium - nice short and catchy name for a cricket stadium.
 
Don’t know if its because this is meaningless t20 series against WI or Cricket in general but I’m definitely losing interest. I used to watch test matches ball by ball even against Zim.

Just casually went to sports section to catch some kabaddi action and came to know that we have a match today.
 
Full house here but but but Indians dnt care about T20 barring ipl and world cup

Diwali is one thing. But you don't judge the interest by crowd size. IPL has much bigger crowd. That clearly means they rate iPL above world T20. It is hard to take world T20 seriously.
 
Lol look at this thread.Half of the match is finished and only 7 reply. Surely India loosing interest in cricket.
 
If the WIs can limit India to 180-185 they may well have a chance today if the dew arrives as predicted.
 
The stadium is barely a 10 min drive from my house. Good facility, finally the most populous state has a proper cricket stadium. Hopefully, we get some Tests soon, couldn't drag myself to watch this meaningless circus match.
 
Full house here but but but Indians dnt care about T20 barring ipl and world cup

That's only because this is the first match in Lucknow in 12 years.

We have 52 stadiums in the country. It gets a little difficult spreading the matches across all of them. :)
 
His innings is certainly a match losing one in T20s. But, against this team, you score 120 and that's more than enough

You can't win a match and also have a match losing 40 from an opener. It may not be a match-winning one. But if the team wins then it's runs in a winning cause.
 
You can't win a match and also have a match losing 40 from an opener. It may not be a match-winning one. But if the team wins then it's runs in a winning cause.

43(41) on a flat wicket in a t20i match is not acceptable
 
Rishab Pant is just wasting his chances

poor knock from Dhawan

We are 15-20 runs short because of these Delhi-wallas
 
4th innings century in England, but yes, he's a hack.

In tests he will succeed more because of the open fields. And even in that century innings he only played in one gear. Because that's the only way he can play. He can't adjust his game to the situation.

In tests there are still a lot of gaps in the field for him to exploit. But in LOIs he only relies on power. And in the process his balance, head position, timing all goes for a toss. No batsman is going to be consistent with that kind of game. Another example of the same thing is Glen Maxwell. Exact same case.
 
The rate at which Rohit is scoring centuries in T20s, I think he might take over Tendulkar's record before Kohli
 
Congratulations on his century in a dead rubber that we lost in the end. However that will not change this fact that he is a hack and played like a hack to get out today. :inti

Yes he should hv shown some technique, leave few balls on 5th stump, see off few overs. And look to score few boundaries in last over like :msd
 
Premier Kabaddi league in India has the second highest viewership after IPL for a sporting event. And this viewership is bigger than any other cricket league.
 
We haven't gained anything from these 2 t20is apart from some ranking points

Dhawan should be dropped/rested in the next match

Bumrah should also be rested along with Kuldeep

Krunal should be promoted in the batting line up
 
How long before Kuldeep becomes the leading bowler in ODIs and T20Is. Absolutely insane numbers so far.

ODIs: 33 matches, 67 wickets@20, ER 4.74
T20s: 14 matches 29 wickets@12, ER 6.94
 
Rohit Sharma can cross traffic blindfolded today and come unscathed.
 
Crazy thing about Kuldeep is that he is not even a finished product yet.

Once he gets his flight right, he'll be practically unplayable.

Kuldeep Yadav with the flight of prime Harbhajan. That's what I'm hoping for.
 
Can't Kohli play under Rohit's captaincy? I am sure he can. :inti

Rohit as captain will surely do great things but also he plays carefully. His stats is bradmanesque when he captains the side so you get 2 great batsman as well (rohit & kohli) for worldcup as well.
 
Khalil is a good find. WIthout Kohli INdia performs better as a unit. Rohit's captaincy is much better.
 
In tests he will succeed more because of the open fields. And even in that century innings he only played in one gear. Because that's the only way he can play. He can't adjust his game to the situation.

In tests there are still a lot of gaps in the field for him to exploit. But in LOIs he only relies on power. And in the process his balance, head position, timing all goes for a toss. No batsman is going to be consistent with that kind of game. Another example of the same thing is Glen Maxwell. Exact same case.

I wonder if it is time to give Saha another chance as the Indian wicketkeeper?
 
That 76m straight six off a Thomas 149 thunderbolt from Hitman!!! There are very few people in this entire world who could pull that off. Incredible fun watching this guy when on song
 
In tests he will succeed more because of the open fields. And even in that century innings he only played in one gear. Because that's the only way he can play. He can't adjust his game to the situation.

In tests there are still a lot of gaps in the field for him to exploit. But in LOIs he only relies on power. And in the process his balance, head position, timing all goes for a toss. No batsman is going to be consistent with that kind of game. Another example of the same thing is Glen Maxwell. Exact same case.

Agree. He falls on the floor after those midwicket hoicks. I seriously wonder how this guy reached this level. Atleast Maxwell has a method to his madness and looks at ease playing those ridiculous shots. Pant looks very labored
 
Kuldeep Yadav now has 17 T20I wickets in 2018 at an average of 8.24

2 to 3 wickets almost guaranteed in every game he plays. I just noticed that he has a first class hundred and a few fifties. Not sure why he's called a mug with the bat
 
It is better if Kohli opts out of 2-3 ODI series or lesser important tests every year.
As seen in Asia cup, agreed the final was unnecessarily close...but overall India bat better without Kohli I believe.

This will achieve two things:
1. Enhance longevity of his career
2. Make team realize its own potential. It is like a captain who leads the ship and the crew are lazy when some 'titanic-type-thing' happens, whole ship sinks. It will happen less if he plays lesser.

3. He could even excuse himself for a top-level ODI series. This could be after WC when pant, shaw, gill will come into picture.
 
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It is better if Kohli opts out of 2-3 ODI series or lesser important tests every year.
As seen in Asia cup, agreed the final was unnecessarily close...but overall India bat better without Kohli I believe.

This will achieve two things:
1. Enhance longevity of his career
2. Make team realize its own potential. It is like a captain who leads the ship and the crew are lazy when some 'titanic-type-thing' happens, whole ship sinks. It will happen less if he plays lesser.

3. He could even excuse himself for a top-level ODI series. This could be after WC when pant, shaw, gill will come into picture.

No they don't bat better without Kohli. It's already a paper thin middle order and without Kohli there is no chance against decent sides. Kohli, Rohit and Bumrah are the absolute necessities in this team.
 
No they don't bat better without Kohli. It's already a paper thin middle order and without Kohli there is no chance against decent sides. Kohli, Rohit and Bumrah are the absolute necessities in this team.

Post 2019 wc is what I was referring to. The dead wood would be gone along with wc chances.
If without kohli the team performs, which I think it will, if not with the same authenticity it will be a huge boost to the Indian team.

The new addition of left-arm seam bowler and the Under 19 wc guys like shaw,pant (regular), gill, will be inducted.
Failures will teach this Indian cricket team a good lesson.

Even kohli, though as diplomatically as he would have tried, was not able to save dhoni.
Post 2019 wc, the karthik, jadhav, dhoni etc will have a hard time with the press.
They would choose the comforts of IPL and advertisments over ODI positions - is my belief.
 
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