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India (329) defeat England (322/9) by 7 runs to win 3rd ODI - Win series 2-1

Ashmal said:
There was appreciable turn in that Kohli dismissal....not a bad delivery at all
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Just because a ball spun, doesn't make it a good delivery. Kohli could've and should have put that delivery anywhere he wanted. But he looks so badly past it.
 
PakPremi said:
This is India vs England compare Rashid with Indian leggies. And as you say it is 2021. Shadab was good in earlier years, has lost his way due to various factors like lack of domestic or internationallcricket, injuries but if he is good enough he has time on his side to pick form again.
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I think Adil Rashid is the best ODI spinner in the world .

Shadab was good in his first few games, his bowling has not improved significantly since his debut.

He is the 1 who chooses not to play domestic and play T20 leagues. I have heard for 2 years or so he is "young". After 4 years of international cricket you would expect more improvement rather than hearing he is young all the time .
 
PakPremi said:
Rashid is still just about OK bowler, Pakistani batsmen would not struggle with him as much as Indian great batsmen are, surprisingly.
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These Indian batsmen are anything but great against spinners.
 
PP favourite Michael Atherton calling Pant an intelligent player. Yet we have Pakistan fans saying he is a tullah baz and overhyped. :inti
 
MP2011 said:
Just because a ball spun, doesn't make it a good delivery. Kohli could've and should have put that delivery anywhere he wanted. But he looks so badly past it.
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He wasn't expecting it to turn but yeah he looks badly out of touch
 
Hasan123 said:
I think Adil Rashid is the best ODI spinner in the world .

Shadab was good in his first few games, his bowling has not improved significantly since his debut.

He is the 1 who chooses not to play domestic and play T20 leagues. I have heard for 2 years or so he is "young". After 4 years of international cricket you would expect more improvement rather than hearing he is young all the time .
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In the past 2 years, adil Rashid averages 45 and has an economy rate above 6.

He has been in bad form for quite a while.

Zampa is marginally better currently
 
PakPremi said:
Rashid is still just about OK bowler, Pakistani batsmen would not struggle with him as much as Indian great batsmen are, surprisingly.
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George Lindie got a 5 wicket haul against Pakistan. Don't act like Pakistan have great players of spin right now. Babar Azam is the best batter in Pakistan and he is not great against spin.
 
sindhiboy said:
In the past 2 years, adil Rashid averages 45 and has an economy rate above 6.

He has been in bad form for quite a while.

Zampa is marginally better currently
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I don't think England have played lots of ODIs in the last 2 years so 1 or 2 thrashings don't help the numbers. To be honest I don't need stats to tell me Adil Rashid is a brilliant spinner.
 
sindhiboy said:
In the past 2 years, adil Rashid averages 45 and has an economy rate above 6.

He has been in bad form for quite a while.

Zampa is marginally better currently
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This. Our past batsmen would have played these spinners well with ease. Moeen and Rashid are strictly average and no amount of harakiri by our batsmen will make them any good.
 
PP favourite Nasser Hussain just completely talked over Diniesh Karthik and didn't even apologise . I'm sure he will get away with it because of comments like "1 minute down and the next minute up".
 
Bonus for India, Rahul gets out on a nothing ball
 
Hasan123 said:
George Lindie got a 5 wicket haul against Pakistan. Don't act like Pakistan have great players of spin right now. Babar Azam is the best batter in Pakistan and he is not great against spin.
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Well inspite of being poor against spin, both Rashid and Moeen have not done much against Pakistan.

But for some reason both of them have been highly effective against India.
 
Terrible from Rahul.

Could have hit that ball out the ground.
 
If Rahul doesn't get sacked for playing this pathetic shot of such a pathetic delivery, it only shows how spineless our think tank is.
 
Hasan123 said:
PP favourite Michael Atherton calling Pant an intelligent player. Yet we have Pakistan fans saying he is a tullah baz and overhyped. :inti
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Well lot of his shots are airy fairy, he nearly got caught on one, but no doubt he also has immense talent.
 
Ashmal said:
Well inspite of being poor against spin, both Rashid and Moeen have not done much against Pakistan.

But for some reason both of them have been highly effective against India.
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So what? Performing against Pakistan isn't the yardstick. India are the 2nd best ODI team, KP revealed it all where he said English players look at performances against India after Australia. Furthermore you can have a poor record against 1 team. Every player has gaps.
 
Almost 26 overs left. Two X factor players on the crease. Reminds me of Yuvi and Dhoni who used to play in similar situations and took India to respectable totals. :inti
 
MP2011 said:
If Rahul doesn't get sacked for playing this pathetic shot of such a pathetic delivery, it only shows how spineless our think tank is.
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This is why I call him equivalent of Asad Shafiq when a substantial inni g is required from him, only Asad plays tests.
 
Hasan123 said:
So what? Performing against Pakistan isn't the yardstick. India are the 2nd best ODI team, KP revealed it all where he said English players look at performances against India after Australia. Furthermore you can have a poor record against 1 team. Every player has gaps.
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Relax india is still in decent position
 
India tried to be something that they are not i.e. going hard from ball 1. The results are there to see. Floundering

England remained true to what they are even after the 1st odi i.e. going hard from ball 1.

India should have played like they played the second ODI. 338 was a big total. Just a bit more proactiveness against Moeen and you're looking at 360. But they fell into the trap thinking that anything less than 400 is not winnable.
 
Hasan123 said:
So what? Performing against Pakistan isn't the yardstick. India are the 2nd best ODI team, KP revealed it all where he said English players look at performances against India after Australia. Furthermore you can have a poor record against 1 team. Every player has gaps.
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Chill....it was you who talked about Pak and Babar.

Btw...no one takes KP seriously not even his own teammates
 
PakPremi said:
This is why I call him equivalent of Asad Shafiq when a substantial inni g is required from him, only Asad plays tests.
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Hopefully this mental midget never plays for us in the premier format of the game.
 
PakPremi said:
Rashid is still just about OK bowler, Pakistani batsmen would not struggle with him as much as Indian great batsmen are, surprisingly.
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I would not go that far , Pakistani batsmen of the last two decades when they are playing in their reckless ways could even struggle against a 12 year old school kid who just took up cricket a week ago.

When it comes to playing poor cricket shots , the likes of Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat , Yasir Hameed, Umar Akmal, Hafeez , Fakhar, Sharjeel, are right up there as the ATGs of cricket in this category.
 
England is missing the trick here. You don't bowl spinners against these two. Now they are overbowling the spinners. :inti
 
Ashmal said:
Chill....it was you who talked about Pak and Babar.

Btw...no one takes KP seriously not even his own teammates
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The only media pundits we should take seriously are the ones who praise Pakistan and criticise India to be honest.
 
jiduguravindra said:
Rahane is master of those type of innings,one good thing about those innings (match saving or winning ones) unlike asad.
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Rahane does that very rarely. We needed him so many times during England series and he only flattered to deceive.
 
This is the difference which Pant and Pandya make if you have in your team.

We lost our no.3 and no.4 cheaply and still striking at a very good rate. 200/4 after 30 overs is a way to go on these wickets against England side and you reach by having players like Pant & Pandya :inti
 
England missing Morgans captaincy here? I don't think he would still be bowling spin here.
 
Not Kohli, Not Bumrah, Not even Rohit. It's Pant who's become the backbone of this struggling arrogant Indian team in the last few months. He's the most valuable Indian player right now.
 
Pant and Pandya are showing India the new way to play cricket in modern era. If you have to beat a team like England, this is the way to go. There will be odd occasions where you may have to pay the prize but given the wickets on which ODIs are played these days, it is the right approach.

Averaging 60 at strike rate of 90 is not a right approach as long as only one player is doing so. Averaging 45 at strike rate of 110 should be the approach.
 
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These 2 can take it easy for a few overs. This is where a positive intent gets you. :inti
 
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