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India [367 & 75/0] defeat West indies [311 & 127] by 10 wickets to win 2nd Test and series 2-0

Holder will clean up Thakur easily. Guy's on strike for 6 balls. Will be surprised if he survives.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Why? Holder has been good in Sri Lanka and UAE too. Holder averages 19 in Asia.
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I'm talking about India's batting power on their home pitches. They collapsed rather embarrassingly. This is Holder's second match in India, and he's already bowling like some legend.
 
alized said:
I'm talking about India's batting power on their home pitches. They collapsed rather embarrassingly. This is Holder's second match in India, and he's already bowling like some legend.
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Holder knows really well how to bowl on Asian pitches though. He should be given credit, some of his deliveries were really good.
 
Did Wi missed a trick to get 1st innings lead of 80 runs?

India @ one stage were 100/3, 2 new batsmen at crease.
A wicket at that stage means India's last recognized pair batting as Ash, Pant, Umesh are grade C batsmen.
Had holder attacked not worrying about 25-30 quick runs, Ind had been 130-4 , after that all he had to do was attack tailenders and Ind would have been crumbbled to 230.
Still Wi should win this test but had they got the lead, they could beat India by 200 runs.
 
As we heard there was instruction given to groundsmen about preparing bouncy pitches like Australia! And we have this! Hopefully we can get WI out cheaply in this innings (we are short of a pacer! If that was the case we should have played an additional seamer! Thakur is also injured!) Rahul should show some heroics in the last innings of last test match as he did in England!
 
Yawn. Everyone will get runs on Aussie roads. Kohli about 600 and Rahane and Pujara 300 apiece. Although we'll probably choke up once in a 4rth inns and once in a first inns against pacers to let Aus nick the series 2-0
 
Justcrazy said:
India should win this , it will be surprise if WI can win this.
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It will be good for cricket though! And further if India loses to Australia, then Shastri's position will be under axe! And World Cup debacle (hopefully not) will definitely finish up Kohli's captaincy!
 
What a great achievement it will be if WI manage to win this match somehow, drawing the series! (which even TOP teams were not able to do in India!)
 
RamLakhan said:
It will be good for cricket though! And further if India loses to Australia, then Shastri's position will be under axe! And World Cup debacle (hopefully not) will definitely finish up Kohli's captaincy!
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Felt happy reading this! But Shastri the garbage and Kohli the leech are not get be sacked from Coach & Captaincy duties before the World Cup for sure.
 
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KP From India said:
India @ one stage were 100/3, 2 new batsmen at crease.
A wicket at that stage means India's last recognized pair batting as Ash, Pant, Umesh are grade C batsmen.
Had holder attacked not worrying about 25-30 quick runs, Ind had been 130-4 , after that all he had to do was attack tailenders and Ind would have been crumbbled to 230.
<b>Still Wi should win this test</b> but had they got the lead, they could beat India by 200 runs.
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You were saying?
 
48/4 lol.

West Indies gonna West Indies.
 
RamLakhan said:
According to him he is an under-performer (both with bat & ball) even on home pitches conducive to him! So what next? Axar Patel?
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Pandya has played a single match in india.
He was terrific in sri lanka and he"ll surely avg 40+ in tests if he plays more games in asia. Jadeja is HTB. We should go with a full pace attack in aus.
Shami
Bumrah
Ishant
Pandya
Bhuvi.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Pandya has played a single match in india.
He was terrific in sri lanka and he"ll surely avg 40+ in tests if he plays more games in asia. Jadeja is HTB. We should go with a full pace attack in aus.
Shami
Bumrah
Ishant
Pandya
Bhuvi.
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Team must have 1 spinner at the least. Full pace or full spin attack is risky if the pitch is not minefield.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Team must have 1 spinner at the least. Full pace or full spin attack is risky if the pitch is not minefield.
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Our spin bowlers have proved many times that they are incapable HTBs. They will be of no use in the worst country for off spinners i.e Aus. We have better pace bowlers then why shouldn't we go out with a full pace attack. Its time we realise that we are better at pace bowling than spin.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Our spin bowlers have proved many times that they are incapable HTBs. They will be of no use in the worst country for off spinners i.e Aus. We have better pace bowlers then why shouldn't we go out with a full pace attack. Its time we realise that we are better at pace bowling than spin.
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Add to that, it is also much easier to launch a counterattack on spinners.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Our spin bowlers have proved many times that they are incapable HTBs. They will be of no use in the worst country for off spinners i.e Aus. We have better pace bowlers then why shouldn't we go out with a full pace attack. Its time we realise that we are better at pace bowling than spin.
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Kohli will be banned for slow overrate if we don't play a single spinner
Unless we are playing on minefields like Jo'burg we shouldn't be playing all pace attack
 
Biggest problem with 4 pacers will be horrible over rate and subsequent mid series ban of Kohli. Which will kill of any miniscule chances of contesting for series
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Kohli will be banned for slow overrate if we don't play a single spinner
Unless we are playing on minefields like Jo'burg we shouldn't be playing all pace attack
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There are many teams who have played a full pace attack in tests. Why would it be impossible for kohli to avoid over rate ban.
 
pratiktc said:
Biggest problem with 4 pacers will be horrible over rate and subsequent mid series ban of Kohli. Which will kill of any miniscule chances of contesting for series
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Why do you think that it is impossible to avoid slow over rate.?
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Why do you think that it is impossible to avoid slow over rate.?
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The issue will be corrected if one or two top order batsmen can roll their arm a bit! Even if we get 10 overs in a day then it can suffice the overrate! But unfortunately none of these guys have that ability (Kohli was bowling in the beginning of his career! Probably Mural Vijay? Rohit Sharma?) But I like your idea of going with all pace attack for once at least! (Rahane can be made captain in that match, if overrate/Kohli's ban is in the way!)
 
RamLakhan said:
The issue will be corrected if one or two top order batsmen can roll their arm a bit! Even if we get 10 overs in a day then it can suffice the overrate! But unfortunately none of these guys have that ability (Kohli was bowling in the beginning of his career! Probably Mural Vijay? Rohit Sharma?) But I like your idea of going with all pace attack for once at least! (Rahane can be made captain in that match, if overrate/Kohli's ban is in the way!)
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If hanuma vihari plays instead of rahane we"ll get 10 overs easily, but that won't happen so kohli is the only bowling option left.
 
RamLakhan said:
Bhaag Veeru wants him to play everywhere ahead of Pandya!
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What rubbish? Where did I say that I want Jadeja to play ahead of Pandya everywhere? At home its not even a question that who should play but away from home I always said I would have a specialist player in place of Pandya. Don't assume things on your own here. :inti
 
This game began to become interesting after Indian innings.But WI again in their usual domain...
 
Napa said:
You were saying?
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He was saying west indies should win this match but if they got the 4th wicket when india was at 130 then they would have won the match by 200 runs lol but now it seems he has gone quiet :rp
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Thread is dead lol. What an embarrassing 2nd innings by WI. Another disastrous loss.
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West Indies is a reluctant test team. Its a shame that BCCI calls them in every two year for a test series but never invite a potentially growing team like BD.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Thread is dead lol. What an embarrassing 2nd innings by WI. Another disastrous loss.
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Thread would have only been interesting if India was losing, whats fun in watching number 1 ranked test team thrashing number 8 test team at home that too west indies team missing their key players.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
West Indies is a reluctant test team. Its a shame that BCCI calls them in every two year for a test series but never invite a potentially growing team like BD.
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This is their 1st test series In India since 2013
Before that they played a test series in 2011 which was their 1st test series in India after 2002
 
Zakaz said:
Thread would have only been interesting if India was losing, whats fun in watching number 1 ranked test team thrashing number 8 test team at home that too west indies team missing their key players.
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Only player WI missing is Darren Bravo. The rest are the best they have to offer in test format.
 
Really get annoyed when I see Shastri on TV. Has this arrogance despite not adding jack to the team.
 
Why does the whole Indian team have only 1 kind of beard style?

Its like XI copies of Kohli!

Only Umesh seems to have a different style. And Shaw, but I dont think he can grow a beard yet.
 
Good bowling by Umesh. Still has to improve the control but his skills have developed.
 
Sidilicious said:
Why does the whole Indian team have only 1 kind of beard style?

Its like XI copies of Kohli!

Only Umesh seems to have a different style. And Shaw, but I dont think he can grow a beard yet.
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Lol yes I have noticed this too.

Pujara doesn't, though. He has always been very seedha saada
 
The worst thing ever happened to Indian cricket - Ravi shastri becoming coach. This guy has no role in any decision making, does not seem to contribute anything useful, brings useless buggers like bharat arun with 1-2 match exp. in his cotorie and now he spews rubbish in his post-match comments. He sees sachin, sehawag and whom not in the rookie shaw. Utter garbage this guy.
 
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ind_win said:
The worst thing ever happened to Indian cricket - Ravi shastri becoming coach. This guy has no role in any decision making, does not seem to contribute anything useful, brings useless buggers like bharat arun with 1-2 match exp. in his cotorie and now he spews rubbish in his post-match comments. He seems, sachin, sehawag and whom not in the rookie shaw. Utter garbage this guy.
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Bharat Arun has received a lot of praise from many of the Indian bowlers, including bowlers in the Ind A team like Siraj.

Plus, look at how Indian pace bowling has developed in the last 2 years.

Idk why you are abusing Arun for no reason.
 
Aweful series this. Its a real sense of minnow bashing. Who would hv thought one would say this about WI couple of decades ago
 
the_outsider said:
Bharat Arun has received a lot of praise from many of the Indian bowlers, including bowlers in the Ind A team like Siraj.

Plus, look at how Indian pace bowling has developed in the last 2 years.

Idk why you are abusing Arun for no reason.
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The bharat arun second coming has coincided with bumrah coming into team, ishant maturing after 8-10 years as bowler, kumar being kumar with his talent - I do not see anything that he contributed. He was there earlier also in Dhoni's time,, done zilch to bowlers' improvement.

And I really do not know if anyone can voice their individual opinion in this team. I do not take their comments seriously. Indian system works on sycophancy
 
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I will agree if new bowlers who were poor earlier have turned around in his tenure. Only umesh has done some improvement, that too after being in the team for nearly 7-8 years.
 
ind_win said:
I will agree if new bowlers who were poor earlier have turned around in his tenure. Only umesh has done some improvement, that too after being in the team for nearly 7-8 years.
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Ishant and Umesh are obvious examples. Bhuvi too is a better bowler today.
 
BlackShadow said:
Ishant and Umesh are obvious examples. Bhuvi too is a better bowler today.
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What was he doing earlier then? You might have your opinion, I have mine - he is useless. This team does not require a bowling coach of that low quality. Either have a better one or do not have at all is my opinion.
 
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ind_win said:
What was he doing earlier then? You might have your opinion, I have mine - he is useless.
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Not being the national coach?

Indian bowlers have been phenomenal in the last 1 year, and I don't know what leads you to label him useless. Yes you are entitled to your opinion, but like most posters here, I too find it baseless as the evidence suggests something completely opposite.
 
ind_win said:
The bharat arun second coming has coincided with bumrah coming into team, ishant maturing after 8-10 years as bowler, kumar being kumar with his talent - I do not see anything that he contributed. He was there earlier also in Dhoni's time,, done zilch to bowlers' improvement.

And I really do not know if anyone can voice their individual opinion in this team. I do not take their comments seriously. Indian system works on sycophancy
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Bhuvneshwar Kumar credits Bharat Arun -
https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...mar-kanpur-odi-bharat-arun-1071176-2017-10-28

Umesh Yadav credits Bharat Arun -
https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...v-team-india-bowling-coach-1024983-2017-07-18

Media credits Bharat Arun -
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...ias-sustained-bowling-excellence-1857299.html

But we are supposed to take your word because you are clearly not biased against Shastri and his friends, right?
 
BlackShadow said:
Bhuvneshwar Kumar credits Bharat Arun -
https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...mar-kanpur-odi-bharat-arun-1071176-2017-10-28

Umesh Yadav credits Bharat Arun -
https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...v-team-india-bowling-coach-1024983-2017-07-18

Media credits Bharat Arun -
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...ias-sustained-bowling-excellence-1857299.html

But we are supposed to take your word because you are clearly not biased against Shastri and his friends, right?
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I am Stunned that Shastri has fans.
 
WengerOut said:
I am Stunned that Shastri has fans.
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I am stunned that hatred for Shastri makes people hate on a bowling coach who has given us such outstanding results. Everyone who matters has spoken highly of Bharat, so what's the point?
 
BlackShadow said:
I am stunned that hatred for Shastri makes people hate on a bowling coach who has given us such outstanding results. Everyone who matters has spoken highly of Bharat, so what's the point?
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Do you think they would talk rubbish of Bharat Arun when asked publicly?
 
And our streak of being unbeaten by the Windies continues even after 16.5 years. Not a single test match lost to these guys in that time period :bow: No other team has come close to such dominance over them. :)
 
ind_win said:
The bharat arun second coming has coincided with bumrah coming into team, ishant maturing after 8-10 years as bowler, kumar being kumar with his talent - I do not see anything that he contributed. He was there earlier also in Dhoni's time,, done zilch to bowlers' improvement.

And I really do not know if anyone can voice their individual opinion in this team. I do not take their comments seriously. Indian system works on sycophancy
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The players are saying that Arun has been of great help to them so it doesn't really matter what you think, does it now?

Clearly you are wrong. How much will you or I know sitting in front of our television sets anyway?

And the results are there to see. Whether the improvement of Ishant, Umesh, etc is a coincidence or not, there is no way to tell. Only thing that we can tell for sure is that ever since Bharat Arun came on board the Indian pace attack has looked a class apart.
 
WengerOut said:
Do you think they would talk rubbish of Bharat Arun when asked publicly?
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- Results speak highly of him.
- Players speak highly of him.

Now tell me something to back claims of him being useless. Clearly you back that opinion, so share the reasoning.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
And our streak of being unbeaten by the Windies continues even after 16.5 years. Not a single test match lost to these guys in that time period :bow: No other team has come close to such dominance over them. :)
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This achievement is greater than our winning streak against Bangladesh? :ashwin [MENTION=147347]Canford Cliffs[/MENTION]
 
WengerOut said:
Do you think they would talk rubbish of Bharat Arun when asked publicly?
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If someone of the stature of Kumble could be spoken against, what makes you think Bharat Arun will be spared?

Plus, forget what people are saying. Look at the result of his work. It's right in front of all of us.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
And our streak of being unbeaten by the Windies continues even after 16.5 years. Not a single test match lost to these guys in that time period :bow: No other team has come close to such dominance over them. :)
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There was a time when West Indies had an unbeaten run against India for 23 years!

How times change...
 
BlackShadow said:
- Results speak highly of him.
- Players speak highly of him.

Now tell me something to back claims of him being useless. Clearly you back that opinion, so share the reasoning.
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Indian bowlers were always good on helpful conditions and cannon fodders on docile pitches. Results are the same as before. So for me, nothing changed.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
23 years of not winning a test or a full series?
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Test matches.

Between 1948 and 1971 WI and Ind played 24 tests and India didn't win a single one.

India's first win against WI came in Sunny's debut series where India won 1-0.
 
WengerOut said:
Indian bowlers were always good on helpful conditions and cannon fodders on docile pitches. Results are the same as before. So for me, nothing changed.
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Not only are you writing off bowler's review on Bharat, but you are also wrong about the performances home or away. Bowling performances been far better in friendly conditions, and they are also not cannon-fodders on docile pitches anymore.
 
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WengerOut said:
Indian bowlers were always good on helpful conditions and cannon fodders on docile pitches. Results are the same as before. So for me, nothing changed.
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Not to the extent they are now. The test series against SA earlier this year was the first time India bowled out the opposition in every innings on an overseas tour.
 
BlackShadow said:
- Results speak highly of him.
- Players speak highly of him.

Now tell me something to back claims of him being useless. Clearly you back that opinion, so share the reasoning.
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I also agree bharat arun has been good
But ravi shastri is the main culprit
He has strong mumbai bias
Why a mediocre unfit player like shardul thakur get picked again and again has no answer
 
the_outsider said:
Not to the extent they are now. The test series against SA earlier this year was the first time India bowled out the opposition in every innings on an overseas tour.
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SA had extreme conditions this time. Eng was more helpful than in 2014 apart from Lords. Lets see in Australia. Until then we should hold the horses.
 
WengerOut said:
I am Stunned that Shastri has fans.
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Bhai you do know that Kapil himself is a fan of Shastri, right?

Kapil once said that Shastri never had a lot of talent but he became a match-winner on his sheer never-say-die attitude and willpower.

I understand that Shastri can come across as obnoxious and over-the-top. But obviously the man has something about him, right? Otherwise he wouldn't have had the kind of career he did.
 
the_outsider said:
Bhai you do know that Kapil himself is a fan of Shastri, right?

Kapil once said that Shastri never had a lot of talent but he became a match-winner on his sheer never-say-die attitude and willpower.

I understand that Shastri can come across as obnoxious and over-the-top. But obviously the man has something about him, right? Otherwise he wouldn't have had the kind of career he did.
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Oh come on now!!
 
WengerOut said:
SA had extreme conditions this time. Eng was more helpful than in 2014 apart from Lords. Lets see in Australia. Until then we should hold the horses.
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You're wrong, mate. Indian pacers have been brilliant in Asia as well in the last 3 years.
[MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] made a thread with all the data. Can you share it with Wenger? Thanks man.
 
As usual mental midget Rahul scores some handy runs and stays not out at the end of the series only to secure his spot for the next series. This Taileneder will be a walking wicket in the 1st test match and will be replaced by Dhawan in 2nd Test.
 
WengerOut said:
SA had extreme conditions this time. Eng was more helpful than in 2014 apart from Lords. Lets see in Australia. Until then we should hold the horses.
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There were ODIs played too. Our bowlers had a history of getting tonked around in SA, but what happened there? Speak of Asia Cup, bowlers were by far way superior to rest of the Asian sides. Performance in England too was better than ever.

By all metrics and even by player admission, Bharat has been a positive for India's bowling. Don't know why a bunch of you are coming across so bitter attacking posters who praise that guy.
 
the_outsider said:
You're wrong, mate. Indian pacers have been brilliant in Asia as well in the last 3 years.

[MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] made a thread with all the data. Can you share it with Wenger? Thanks man.
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Logical arguments are not what these guys are looking for. Just a few comments back, I was labelled a Shastri cheerleader because I happened to defend Bharat Arun. :facepalm:
 
Tyler Durden said:
As usual mental midget Rahul scores some handy runs and stays not out at the end of the series only to secure his spot for the next series. This Taileneder will be a walking wicket in the 1st test match and will be replaced by Dhawan in 2nd Test.
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You are a sensible poster but I don't understand why you are being so critical of KL and calling him a mental midget and what not. I understand you are frustrated with his performances but you don't have to be so caustic and personal with your criticism.

On a related note, I don't think Dhawan will be going to Australia. It's going to be Shaw, KL and Vijay as backup.
 
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