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So [MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] and [MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION], you guys are completely fine with Shastri, Kohli and Bharat Arun continuing?
 
BlackShadow said:
There were ODIs played too. Our bowlers had a history of getting tonked around in SA, but what happened there? Speak of Asia Cup, bowlers were by far way superior to rest of the Asian sides. Performance in England too was better than ever.

By all metrics and even by player admission, Bharat has been a positive for India's bowling. Don't know why a bunch of you are coming across so bitter attacking posters who praise that guy.
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Will you say the same about Sanjay bangar
Has Sanjay banjar helped kohli and rohit to perform
Bumrah and kuldeep has been excellent due to their performance
Too much credit should not be given to arun or bangar
They were picked by shastri to just be his aid
Shashtri is a problem
And i think a sane mind like dravid or kumble should replace him as soon as possible
 
WengerOut said:
So [MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] and [MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION], you guys are completely fine with Shastri, Kohli and Bharat Arun continuing?
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Do you have replacement for kohli
He is the only guy who performs consistently in all fprmats in all condition
 
WengerOut said:
So [MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] and [MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION], you guys are completely fine with Shastri, Kohli and Bharat Arun continuing?
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Bharat has done a great job.

Shastri and Kohli is a different matter.
 
the_outsider said:
You are a sensible poster but I don't understand why you are being so critical of KL and calling him a mental midget and what not.

On a related note, I don't think Dhawan will be going to Australia. It's going to be Shaw, KL and Vijay as backup.
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I will be the most happiest person in the whole universe if Rahul proves me wrong with his performance in Australia. But whatever I have seen of him so far in the last few months, no other Indian Cricketer has disappointed me as much as Rahul. You call it his dip in form, but I consider it his lack of passion, hunger for success and most importantly it's his lack of discipline to correct his mental & technical issues. I wonder what the heck is Sanjay Bangar is doing with this lad. Played like a complete Tailender against this depleted WI attack while youngsters like Shaw and Pant were making merry. You can come up with all his stats and records, but only person who can prove his worth is Kannanur Lokesh Rahul himself, until that I will be out of Rahul's overhype bandwagon.
 
Cricketlover11vns said:
Will you say the same about Sanjay bangar
Has Sanjay banjar helped kohli and rohit to perform
Bumrah and kuldeep has been excellent due to their performance
Too much credit should not be given to arun or bangar
They were picked by shastri to just be his aid
Shashtri is a problem
And i think a sane mind like dravid or kumble should replace him as soon as possible
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Bangar & Arun were with the team when Kumble was our coach
So why the sane mind like Kumble didn't have problem with these guys?
 
BlackShadow said:
There were ODIs played too. Our bowlers had a history of getting tonked around in SA, but what happened there? Speak of Asia Cup, bowlers were by far way superior to rest of the Asian sides. Performance in England too was better than ever.

By all metrics and even by player admission, Bharat has been a positive for India's bowling. Don't know why a bunch of you are coming across so bitter attacking posters who praise that guy.
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SA ODIs were all about wrist spinners and Kohli, the batsman.
 
the_outsider said:
Bhai you do know that Kapil himself is a fan of Shastri, right?

Kapil once said that Shastri never had a lot of talent but he became a match-winner on his sheer never-say-die attitude and willpower.

I understand that Shastri can come across as obnoxious and over-the-top. But obviously the man has something about him, right? Otherwise he wouldn't have had the kind of career he did.
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Bro, I agree with you on a lot of things. Rahul's selection, B Arun, even your point about Thakur. But this Shastri think is ridiculous. The coach needs to make the team a better one. Not be a cheerleader.
 
WengerOut said:
So [MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] and [MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION], you guys are completely fine with Shastri, Kohli and Bharat Arun continuing?
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Bharat Arun? Yes I am completely fine.

Kohli? Also, yes. Clearly, he still has a lot to learn when it comes to captaincy tactics but I have no reason to believe that he cannot develop that. Kohli is one of the hardest working cricketers I have seen and he is completely dedicated to taking Indian cricket forward. I'm sure he'll give his best to do whatever it takes to improve, even in his own captaincy. So yes, I have faith in him.

Shastri? Personally I do believe there are better options for an Indian coach. I would be very happy to see Ganguly or VVS as India coach. But at the same time, I cannot deny the fact that he has brought results. At this point I am sure you will bring up recent overseas performances. But then let me ask you, which coach has given us good overseas performances apart from John Wright? In fact, the English tour that we won in 2007, Ravi Shastri was the coach at that time. Which brings me to my last point. When India was knocked out of the 2007 WC, that was the lowest point in Indian cricket since the match fixing saga of the late 90s. There was nothing to gain by being associated with the Indian team at that point. That is when Shastri took over as interim coach. That shows me that the guy has his heart in the right place and genuinely wants to contribute in taking Indian cricket forward.

So in conclusion, while Shastri may not be the best coach we can find, I feel he gets criticized far more than he deserves.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Bangar & Arun were with the team when Kumble was our coach
So why the sane mind like Kumble didn't have problem with these guys?
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This is pakpassion not fb or youtube that you are posting wrong facts
Why would kumble have bharat arun when he himself was a great bowler
He was reappointed when shastri came back and preffered him over zaheer khan
 
WengerOut said:
And what did Kumble achieve overseas?
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That''s not the point here

The guy whom I replied considers Arun & Bangar useless and says that they were picked by Shastri
But the thing is they were with the team when a sane mind like(as he suggests) Kumble was our coach
So if they are that bad then why Kumble had them with the team during their tenure?

Hope u got my point now

I don't even want to get indulge in such unending arguments
I was just trying to find logic in the argument made by the poster
 
the_outsider said:
Bharat Arun? Yes I am completely fine.

Kohli? Also, yes. Clearly, he still has a lot to learn when it comes to captaincy tactics but I have no reason to believe that he cannot develop that. Kohli is one of the hardest working cricketers I have seen and he is completely dedicated to taking Indian cricket forward. I'm sure he'll give his best to do whatever it takes to improve, even in his own captaincy. So yes, I have faith in him.

Shastri? Personally I do believe there are better options for an Indian coach. I would be very happy to see Ganguly or VVS as India coach. But at the same time, I cannot deny the fact that he has brought results. At this point I am sure you will bring up recent overseas performances. But then let me ask you, which coach has given us good overseas performances apart from John Wright? In fact, the English tour that we won in 2007, Ravi Shastri was the coach at that time. Which brings me to my last point. When India was knocked out of the 2007 WC, that was the lowest point in Indian cricket since the match fixing saga of the late 90s. There was nothing to gain by being associated with the Indian team at that point. That is when Shastri took over as interim coach. That shows me that the guy has his heart in the right place and genuinely wants to contribute in taking Indian cricket forward.

So in conclusion, while Shastri may not be the best coach we can find, I feel he gets criticized far more than he deserves.
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An interim coach is just a token position. Lal chand Rajput would have to claim he won the T20 WC for India. Roberto De Matteo would claim he won champions league for Chelsea. Those just happened when they were filling gaps and certainly not because of them. Regarding Shastri results, Indian overseas performances have gone down a notch.

You are either a captaincy material or not. One cannot teach that. The trash talk of attacking cricket can only get you that far. So, Kohli the captain is a burden.

Regarding Arun, we should wait for Aus tour.
 
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the_outsider said:
The players are saying that Arun has been of great help to them so it doesn't really matter what you think, does it now?

Clearly you are wrong. How much will you or I know sitting in front of our television sets anyway?

And the results are there to see. Whether the improvement of Ishant, Umesh, etc is a coincidence or not, there is no way to tell. Only thing that we can tell for sure is that ever since Bharat Arun came on board the Indian pace attack has looked a class apart.
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I have been observing you a lot - do not be judgmental of me. I have my opinion, I have zero respect for that guy Arun. period. Previous tours of Eng, Aus from 2014 are enough for me. Now, people might say Dhoni factor etc. But I believe he is far less useful and someone like Venkatesh Prasad, Zahir could have been far useful. India is not kenya or zim to not be able to afford some quality coaches.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
That''s not the point here

The guy whom I replied considers Arun & Bangar useless and says that they were picked by Shastri
But the thing is they were with the team when a sane mind like(as he suggests) Kumble was our coach
So if they are that bad then why Kumble had them with the team during their tenure?

Hope u got my point now

I don't even want to get indulge in such unending arguments
I was just trying to find logic in the argument made by the poster
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I answered your point
And i targeted shastri for having strong mumbai bias not for bangar or arun
If you want to believe bumrah,kuldeep,kohli or rohit are good batsman becoz of bangar and arun then your wish
But reality is different
 
Sidilicious said:
Bro, I agree with you on a lot of things. Rahul's selection, B Arun, even your point about Thakur. But this Shastri think is ridiculous. The coach needs to make the team a better one. Not be a cheerleader.
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I understand that, mate. I know Shastri has done a lot of thing to put off a lot of people and I don't want to force my opinion of him on others. Even I think somebody like Ganguly or VVS would be a better choice for coach.

But if you are interested, I have written a post above in a response to [MENTION=146270]WengerOut[/MENTION] about my personal opinion on Shastri. I don't want to impose that on others and I know he has his flaws as well. But you can have a look at that if you want. Cheers.
 
ind_win said:
I have been observing you a lot - do not be judgmental of me. I have my opinion, I have zero respect for that guy Arun. period. Previous tours of Eng, Aus from 2014 are enough for me. Now, people might say Dhoni factor etc. But I believe he is far less useful and someone like Venkatesh Prasad, Zahir could have been far useful. India is not kenya or zim to not be able to afford some quality coaches.
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Fair enough. It is your personal opinion. Sorry if I came across as overly aggressive.
 
Cricketlover11vns said:
This is pakpassion not fb or youtube that you are posting wrong facts
Why would kumble have bharat arun when he himself was a great bowler
He was reappointed when shastri came back and preffered him over zaheer khan
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But Bangar was with the team during Kumble's tenure

Kumble & Kohli wanted pace bowling coach https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...wling-coach/story-vTDSZuvlshvoSEFlAC6kqM.html

Zaheer wasn't chosen as bowling coach because he wasn't ready to take job on full time basis ,he waned 4cr for 100 days so BCCI rejected him
 
the_outsider said:
In fact, the English tour that we won in 2007, Ravi Shastri was the coach at that time.
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I am sure that's not correct, Shastri only helped out the team for tour to Bangladesh that preceded the tour to England. India's coaches for that trip were Robin Singh and Venkatesh Prasad.
 
the_outsider said:
I understand that, mate. I know Shastri has done a lot of thing to put off a lot of people and I don't want to force my opinion of him on others. Even I think somebody like Ganguly or VVS would be a better choice for coach.

But if you are interested, I have written a post above in a response to [MENTION=146270]WengerOut[/MENTION] about my personal opinion on Shastri. I don't want to impose that on others and I know he has his flaws as well. But you can have a look at that if you want. Cheers.
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If you don't want to impose your opinion on others then why do you bring statements of ex players into discussion to give your own opinion a boost? :inti
 
ind_win said:
I have been observing you a lot - do not be judgmental of me. I have my opinion, I have zero respect for that guy Arun. period. Previous tours of Eng, Aus from 2014 are enough for me. Now, people might say Dhoni factor etc. But I believe he is far less useful and someone like Venkatesh Prasad, Zahir could have been far useful. India is not kenya or zim to not be able to afford some quality coaches.
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So you will judge the bowling coach based on what happened in 2014?The current tours of England, South Africa and even Srilanka and now with Windies clearly demonstrate the improvement in the overall bowling and we have the best bowling attack of all time since we started playing cricket.... Arun is the best bowling coach in the world...
 
Oh my god pak passion is infiltrated with shastri cheer leaders of all people

He is as useful as ms dhoni in the limited over formats.

For all the boasting by this boaster in chief we have achieved zilch outside of india.
Kohlis captaincy and team selection is pathetic to be honest.
 
Reyansh2017 said:
Oh my god pak passion is infiltrated with shastri cheer leaders of all people

He is as useful as ms dhoni in the limited over formats.

For all the boasting by this boaster in chief we have achieved zilch outside of india.
Kohlis captaincy and team selection is pathetic to be honest.
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Who should replace kohli as captain?
 
WengerOut said:
An interim coach is just a token position. Lal chand Rajput would have to claim he won the T20 WC for India. Roberto De Matteo would claim he won champions league for Chelsea. Those just happened when they were filling gaps and certainly not because of them. Regarding Shastri results, Indian overseas performances have gone down a notch.

You are either a captaincy material or not. One cannot teach that. The trash talk of attacking cricket can only get you that far. So, Kohli the captain is a burden.

Regarding Arun, we should wait for Aus tour.
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There are multiple articles/interviews from players on that tour, including Dinesh Karthik who talk about Ravi's contribution during that time and especially on that tour. You can Google them if you want.

And what makes you think that Rajput is not a good coach? On what basis are you making that judgement? Rajput was also coach of Afghanistan from 2016 to 2017 and we have seen how their team has developed.

And as far overseas results going down under Shastri, you are totally wrong about. Anybody who saw the English tour in 2014 and the latest one should be able to recognise that.

And lastly, on your point about leaders being born and not developed - that is also a scientifically incorrect statement. If you want to know more about that there is a very good Ted talk video on YouTube about it. You can check it out. It's quite interesting.
 
This indian team is not a patch on the team ganguly was leading outside of india.

This team is even worse than the 90s team which was never massacred like 4-1,3-1,4-0 even at their worst
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
If you don't want to impose your opinion on others then why do you bring statements of ex players into discussion to give your own opinion a boost? :inti
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If my opinions aligns with what experts and ex players say, then why shouldn't I?

If most of what you say wasn't hogwash I'm sure even you would have enjoyed the luxury of quoting these people.
 
the_outsider said:
There are multiple articles/interviews from players on that tour, including Dinesh Karthik who talk about Ravi's contribution during that time and especially on that tour. You can Google them if you want.

And what makes you think that Rajput is not a good coach? On what basis are you making that judgement? Rajput was also coach of Afghanistan from 2016 to 2017 and we have seen how their team has developed.

And as far overseas results going down under Shastri, you are totally wrong about. Anybody who saw the English tour in 2014 and the latest one should be able to recognise that.

And lastly, on your point about leaders being born and not developed - that is also a scientifically incorrect statement. If you want to know more about that there is a very good Ted talk video on YouTube about it. You can check it out. It's quite interesting.
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This English team is the poorest in decades and we got blanked. We do not want moral victories
 
the_outsider said:
You are a sensible poster but I don't understand why you are being so critical of KL and calling him a mental midget and what not. I understand you are frustrated with his performances but you don't have to be so caustic and personal with your criticism.

On a related note, I don't think Dhawan will be going to Australia. It's going to be Shaw, KL and Vijay as backup.
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So you want do a Nair on Mayank?
 
WengerOut said:
Ashwin or Rahane. Can't be worse
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Tell me the last time rahane helped the team in a victory with bat
And on Perth india might go with four pacers
They themselves are not assured of their place in team and you want them to be captain
How strong captain they would be
 
Cricketlover11vns said:
So you agree bharat arun was not their during kumble's tenure?
Shastri is the one who brought him
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What about Bangar?he was during Kumble's tenure
a sane mind like Kumble should have kicked him out since he wasn't doing anything good for the team
 
Never in a million yrs i thought i would agree with Bhaag Viru Bhaag bhai but i am with him on this one.

I am seeing bcci, shastri sycophany at its finest in this thread
 
Reyansh2017 said:
You can keep kohli as captain but there should be some one who can tap his shoulder and put a mirror to him regarding selections and not a sycophantic cheerleader as coach
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I agree and i am saying the same
A dravid or a kumble will always be better than shashtri
Bangar or arun doesn't matter
 
RyanRyan10 said:
What about Bangar?he was during Kumble's tenure
a sane mind like Kumble should have kicked him out since he wasn't doing anything good for the team
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Kumble is sane enough to realize that at international level you need a batting coach who can help batsman with batting practice so he was ok with bangar
Do you think kohli or rohit are getting tips from bangar so they are performing good?
Bangar or arun just doesn't matter
But kumble is neither mumbai biased like shastri nor does he give a free hand to kohli to dictate his own terms
And that is what indian team needs right now
 
the_outsider said:
If my opinions aligns with what experts and ex players say, then why shouldn't I?

If most of what you say wasn't hogwash I'm sure even you would have enjoyed the luxury of quoting these people.
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Oh what a coincidence that your opinion always aligns with what experts say. :misbah

You always choose the easy route before entering any debate. Whenever someone doesn't agree with your opinion you start parroting what these ex cricketers say.

You can read this whole thread again and actually observe that I am not the only one who doesn't want Shastri and Thakur anywhere near Indian team. :inti
 
Kohli - shastri combo will end in tears i am afraid.

Kohlis attitude and ego will cost india dearly. Wait for his bad patch to start and people will pounce on him if the team fails miserably as well.

Now he is saving himself with his personal performances
 
Cricketlover11vns said:
Kumble is sane enough to realize that at international level you need a batting coach who can help batsman with batting practice so he was ok with bangar
Do you think kohli or rohit are getting tips from bangar so they are performing good?
Bangar or arun just doesn't matter
But kumble is neither mumbai biased like shastri nor does he give a free hand to kohli to dictate his own terms
And that is what indian team needs right now
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Agree with you on that
I don't give much to these assistant coaches neither I blame them

And we do need a coach who is more than a cheerleader and personally I would like us to have a foreign coach
 
JattMaula said:
So you want do a Nair on Mayank?
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No it's not that. I was hoping Mayank would get a game in this WI series.

I just think it's a big risk going to Australia with two brand new openers.

If KL Rahul was in good form, we could have still taken that gamble. But in case KL has to be dropped for the 3rd/4th test, I think it's more prudent to bring in a tried and tested performer in Vijay.

But yes, I agree that it's rather unfair on Mayank.
 
Have some shame guys. U can be cheerleaders if kohli shastri combo has done wonders or miracle performances but kohli has not done zilch as captain in the countries that matter.

He is ms dhoni 2 with an even bigger ego along with a sycopant cheerleader as his yes man
 
Cricketlover11vns said:
Tell me the last time rahane helped the team in a victory with bat
And on Perth india might go with four pacers
They themselves are not assured of their place in team and you want them to be captain
How strong captain they would be
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Not only that Rahane dropped few catches in the England tour and was seen laughing like an idiot after that. He has an average of 40 after playing in more than 50 tests.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Oh what a coincidence that your opinion always aligns with what experts say. :misbah

You always choose the easy route before entering any debate. Whenever someone doesn't agree with your opinion you start parroting what these ex cricketers say.

You can read this whole thread again and actually observe that I am not the only one who doesn't want Shastri and Thakur anywhere near Indian team. :inti
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Who is stopping you from finding qoutes to support your point-of-view?

The fact that your opinions aren't shared by most ex-players is indicative of the fact that you make errors of judgement.

But then you have never been the kind to accept that you can be wrong. Ganguly can be wrong. Kapil Dev can be wrong. But you can never be wrong. Your ego is much too massive to ever allow you to make mistakes.
 
Reyansh2017 said:
Have some shame guys. U can be cheerleaders if kohli shastri combo has done wonders or miracle performances but kohli has not done zilch as captain in the countries that matter.

He is ms dhoni 2 with an even bigger ego along with a sycopant cheerleader as his yes man
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MS Dhoni 2?

would u mind elaborating?
 
the_outsider said:
There are multiple articles/interviews from players on that tour, including Dinesh Karthik who talk about Ravi's contribution during that time and especially on that tour. You can Google them if you want.

And what makes you think that Rajput is not a good coach? On what basis are you making that judgement? Rajput was also coach of Afghanistan from 2016 to 2017 and we have seen how their team has developed.

And as far overseas results going down under Shastri, you are totally wrong about. Anybody who saw the English tour in 2014 and the latest one should be able to recognise that.

And lastly, on your point about leaders being born and not developed - that is also a scientifically incorrect statement. If you want to know more about that there is a very good Ted talk video on YouTube about it. You can check it out. It's quite interesting.
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If you're gonna counter my every opinion with a what if, then there's not much of a debate, is there?
 
Reyansh2017 said:
This English team is the poorest in decades and we got blanked. We do not want moral victories
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And what makes you say that exactly?

Can you show me some data? How many test series have they lost at home in the last 4-5 years?

Granted, this English team is no longer the world beaters they were in 2012.

But "poorest in decades" is a big statement to make against a team that beat Australia and SA at home in 2015/16 and 2017, respectively. So I hope you have something concrete to back up your claim.
 
the_outsider said:
Who is stopping you from finding qoutes to support your point-of-view?

The fact that your opinions aren't shared by most ex-players is indicative of the fact that you make errors of judgement.

But then you have never been the kind to accept that you can be wrong. Ganguly can be wrong. Kapil Dev can be wrong. But you can never be wrong. Your ego is much too massive to ever allow you to make mistakes.
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So whoever doesn't agree with you has ego problems? You will have tough time calling everyone out here for their egos because you are in the minority in this thread.

Kapil and Ganguly are humans too. May be you are not aware that Kapil Dev was India's coach as well but what did India achieve under his expert supervision? He is supporting Shastri because he is his chaddi buddy.
 
WengerOut said:
If you're gonna counter my every opinion with a what if, then there's not much of a debate, is there?
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I'm not countering your opinion with "what ifs". I'm countering them them with my own opinion and supporting arguments from other sources so as to validate my opinions.

If we're just going to debate on personal opinion, then how do you expect to come to any conclusion? Everybody will think that their opinion is the correct one, including myself.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
So whoever doesn't agree with you has ego problems? You will have tough time calling everyone out here for their egos because you are in the minority in this thread.

Kapil and Ganguly are humans too. May be you are not aware that Kapil Dev was India's coach as well but what did India achieve under his expert supervision? He is supporting Shastri because he is his chaddi buddy.
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A lot of people here disagree with me. You are the only one I have called out for your ego and self-entitlement.

And looking at how you're still trying to claim that Kapil's opinion shouldn't hold value over yours, I don't think I am wrong about my assessment of you.
 
the_outsider said:
I'm not countering your opinion with "what ifs". I'm countering them them with my own opinion and supporting arguments from other sources so as to validate my opinions.

If we're just going to debate on personal opinion, then how do you expect to come to any conclusion? Everybody will think that their opinion is the correct one, including myself.
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I understand you are very sentimental about humans in nature and that is a good thing. But i don't think it is necessary in a cut throat competition. Anyways, myself or other guys bashing Shastri and Co in a forum won't bring any harm to them. Chill.
 
the_outsider said:
A lot of people here disagree with me. You are the only one I have called out for your ego and self-entitlement.
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And looking at how you're still trying to claim that Kapil's opinion shouldn't hold value over yours, I don't think I am wrong about my assessment of you.
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I don't support Kapil's opinion of continuing with Shastri. When he says something relevant I will agree with him then. But you are acting like a hypocrite here if you call one poster out for his ego and spare others sharing the same opinion. :inti
 
Cricketlover11vns said:
If you think rahane won that match then i pity on your cricket knowledge
Kohli was pivotal in every match of that series
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When did I say Kohli wasn't pivotal? He was the highest scorer in that series. Even a kid will know he was pivotal in that series.

But let me qoute what you said.

Cricketlover11vns said:
Tell me the last time rahane helped the team in a victory with bat
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I pointed out the Johannesburg test. And rightly, so. Now if you're going to change your stance to "when did Rahane win us a match?" then I should have pity on you for thinking that one person can singlehandedly win a match in a team sport involving 22 individuals.
 
Last Monetarist said:
I am sure that's not correct, Shastri only helped out the team for tour to Bangladesh that preceded the tour to England. India's coaches for that trip were Robin Singh and Venkatesh Prasad.
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Chandu borde was appointed the chief coach and Robin Singh and Prasad were the Fielding coach and bowling coach respectively.
 
the_outsider said:
When did I say Kohli wasn't pivotal? He was the highest scorer in that series. Even a kid will know he was pivotal in that series.

But let me qoute what you said.



I pointed out the Johannesburg test. And rightly, so. Now if you're going to change your stance to "when did Rahane win us a match?" then I should have pity on you for thinking that one person can singlehandedly win a match in a team sport involving 22 individuals.
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Someone was making rahane Captain over kohli
So i asked for a rahane's match winning performance
Try to get context ryt befor commenting
Everyone knows that he had been a complete failure this year
Shastri backs him as he is a mumbai player
Thats why he never gave chance to nayar
48 and 8 in that match confirms his place in this team according to you?
 
WengerOut said:
I understand you are very sentimental about humans in nature and that is a good thing. But i don't think it is necessary in a cut throat competition. Anyways, myself or other guys bashing Shastri and Co in a forum won't bring any harm to them. Chill.
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See man that's fair enough. Like I said earlier, that Shastri has done quite a lot to receive criticism as well. He's made some pretty obnoxious statements as well.

I just think that the criticism gets too much sometimes, like calling him a cheerleader, puppet and what not.

Like I mentioned earlier, I also think that we have better people in the coutry wo can take up the role of coach. But that doesn't mean we have to question Shastri's commitment or motives.
 
Cricketlover11vns said:
Someone was making rahane Captain over kohli
So i asked for a rahane's match winning performance
Try to get context ryt befor commenting
Everyone knows that he had been a complete failure this year
Shastri backs him as he is a mumbai player
Thats why he never gave chance to nayar
48 and 8 in that match confirms his place in this team according to you?
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Immaterial. You asked about the last instance of Rahane's match winning performance and I gave it to you.

I didn't qoute the rest of your post, did I?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I don't support Kapil's opinion of continuing with Shastri. When he says something relevant I will agree with him then. But you are acting like a hypocrite here if you call one poster out for his ego and spare others sharing the same opinion. :inti
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There are some posters here who are so biased and self-opinionnated that I don't even bother getting into debates with them. I just ignore them.

I don't do that, with you, do I? That's because I think you are generally an intelligent poster with good knowledge of the game. That is why, despite our constant differences, I still engage with you. But your stubbornness about sticking to your point of view, even in the face of compelling evidence frustrates me.
 
Cricketlover11vns said:
So a 48 and 8 is a match winning performance
Good
I agree now be happy
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Did you even watch that match or are you just going by the scorecard?

If you think a second innings 48 on that pitch coming when India were effectively 40 odd for 3 down, is not a match-winning performance, then hat's off to your cricketing brain.
 
the_outsider said:
Did you even watch that match or are you just going by the scorecard?

If you think a second innings 48 on that pitch coming when India were effectively 40 odd for 3 down, is not a match-winning performance, then hat's off to your cricketing brain.
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It was an important inning
And a career saving one for rahane
But if you think that 48 won us the match then you watch the match again
Kohli's performance can be termed match winning in that match
Go and watch the difference between an important and match winning performance
 
Cricketlover11vns said:
It was an important inning
And a career saving one for rahane
But if you think that 48 won us the match then you watch the match again
Kohli's performance can be termed match winning in that match
Go and watch the difference between an important and match winning performance
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One single person cannot single-handedly win a test match. It can happen but it's extremely rare. Rahane's 48 was the highest score in that innings and as important as Kohli's and Pujara's knocks were in that match.

If Kohli was enough to win us matches then we wouldn't have lost the first 2 tests.
 
the_outsider said:
One single person cannot single-handedly win a test match. It can happen but it's extremely rare. Rahane's 48 was the highest score in that innings and as important as Kohli's and Pujara's knocks were in that match.

If Kohli was enough to win us matches then we wouldn't have lost the first 2 tests.
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No if rahane had scored 50s in both innings then also i would have termed it as a match winning performance in that match
But 8 and 48 is by no means a match winning one
His 48 was important so he got chance in England
And failed continuously
Kohli alone cant win but he was the most impactful
Otherwise we would have lost by innings
 
Cricketlover11vns said:
No if rahane had scored 50s in both innings then also i would have termed it as a match winning performance in that match
But 8 and 48 is by no means a match winning one
His 48 was important so he got chance in England
And failed continuously
Kohli alone cant win but he was the most impactful
Otherwise we would have lost by innings
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There can be more than one match winning performance in a 5 day cricket match.

We won the match and Rahane contributed significantly therefore common sense says it's a match winning performance. Simple as that. You can continue trying to twist this to suit your narrative but it doesn't change the facts.
 
the_outsider said:
There can be more than one match winning performance in a 5 day cricket match.

We won the match and Rahane contributed significantly therefore common sense says it's a match winning performance. Simple as that. You can continue trying to twist this to suit your narrative but it doesn't change the facts.
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Yeah rahane won us that match
Now be happy
 
Oh my god this guy is insane in his defense of anything bcci and Kohli - shastri combo.

Please tell me that scoreline of the last series and the recent series.
 
Reyansh2017 said:
Oh my god this guy is insane in his defense of anything bcci and Kohli - shastri combo.

Please tell me that scoreline of the last series and the recent series.
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So your point is because we lost those two series we should sack Kohli and Shastri? That's what your idea is, right? Everytime we lose a series we should just sack the coach and captain and start all over again.
 
Reyansh2017 said:
He defends every damn player. Please leave him alone.
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I am not defending Rahane at all. I have been very concerned about his form because he has been poor for 2 seasons now.

My argument with this guy was not about Rahane or his place in the side.
 
the_outsider said:
So your point is because we lost those two series we should sack Kohli and Shastri? That's what your idea is, right? Everytime we lose a series we should just sack the coach and captain and start all over again.
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I am not asking for kohli to resign but want that good for nothing cheerleader to leave from the throes of indian cricket for ever.
 
Reyansh2017 said:
I am not asking for kohli to resign but want that good for nothing cheerleader to leave from the throes of indian cricket for ever.
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You can want that, no problem. But there should be some logic to your thought process. Because from your last post it seems the reason you want Shastri out is because of losses in SA and ENG. If that is your criteria for sacking coaches let me assure you that we will need a new coach every 2 years.
 
the_outsider said:
You can want that, no problem. But there should be some logic to your thought process. Because from your last post it seems the reason you want Shastri out is because of losses in SA and ENG. If that is your criteria for sacking coaches let me assure you that we will need a new coach every 2 years.
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Why not? Indian cricket even at its worst is unbeatable at home. We want some one who can win you series away. He is not getting the results he was appointed for. We are instead getting his good for nothing bombastic press conferences about how this indian team is the best ever indian team.

This is the best Indian team with no spine i think
 
the_outsider said:
You can want that, no problem. But there should be some logic to your thought process. Because from your last post it seems the reason you want Shastri out is because of losses in SA and ENG. If that is your criteria for sacking coaches let me assure you that we will need a new coach every 2 years.
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Haha we really nead a million dollar charging bombastic psychophantic cheer leader just to massage the ego of the great Virat Kohli is what you want to say?
 
Reyansh2017 said:
Why not? Indian cricket even at its worst is unbeatable at home. We want some one who can win you series away. He is not getting the results he was appointed for. We are instead getting his good for nothing bombastic press conferences about how this indian team is the best ever indian team.

This is the best Indian team with no spine i think
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Not only that
Shastri even makes outrageous statements like "no other had a better run" , "this is the best team ever"

Teams loses & he comes up with excuses like we were "competitive"

I seriously hate this mentality of seeing being competitive in overseas as an achievement for a team which has best talent available among all cricketing nations
 
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